I just wanted to address a couple issues that I found rather humourous on my recent trip to Rio. I stayed for 2 weeks and met several guys from North America, some which were members of Club Hombre, which I found out after the fact

I had no problems with any girls, thieves or locals over the 2 weeks I was there but to my surprise it was the fellow Gringo’s that made me think, what the fuck!

Yes we are all there for the same reason but some of these guys have more money than brains and maybe should learn at the least a hint of game with the ladies before making fools of them selves in the presence of other self respecting Gringo’s. Now I understand where the price fixing and scamming among the girls comes from, these guys with no street smarts nor balls get down there and let themselves be manipulated and it affects the rest of us. This being said, I’ll explain what I’m bitching about.

After the first couple days I met a guy from my home town here in North America, he appeared to be a decent dude but was getting shafted by the girls for cash like crazy. Another guy and I tried educating him but he too busy was thinking with his overly stimulated Viagra dick. Many times over the week I bailed him out financially in a couple situations and he was great in repaying the next day, no problem. One night we took 2 girls back to my place which started out as a small Festa, well it turned into a one on one because the one girl wasn’t into it. Several days later I ran into the one he hooked up with and due to watching her performance I wanted a big piece of her. She turned out to be a wild cat in the sack. The next day I was talking with him and he got all pissy over the fact that I banged this girl and paid much less than he did. He said it was the “principal” that she over-charged him and that I shouldn’t have banged her. This still makes me laugh as at this point he was onto his 5th or 6th girls since doing her. It makes me laugh that some guys think there is some type of ownership in this arena.

The next incident happened as I was hanging out on the patio outside Help one night. This English dude I met and I were having a beer checking out the talent when he spotted 2 girls, which he said were “sisters”. Now we’ve all heard the sister act before but he was intent on convincing me that they were really sisters and he wanted to share these sisters with me. He called them over to the table, we bought then a drink and we talked for about ˝ hour but I wasn’t really that interested as they didn’t do it for me. Along came a sweetheart that I had been with a few times before and I mentioned I was going to go sit with her. He seemed put out and then he suggests that maybe I give the girls a little something for their time. Well fuck, when I picked myself up off the ground and managed to stop laughing at him, I suggested maybe he could explain why he felt that their time was more important than mine. He mumbled a bit but had no legitimate point so I offered to buy the girls another drink and politely explained I was going to talk with a friend and left the table. Now what the hell was this clown thinking? It still makes me laugh to this day when I think about it.

Now am I completely off base here in thinking that these incidents shouldn’t happened? I mean, the first incident was a joke seeing as this guy was banging everything that talked to him and blowing money like no tomorrow. Aren’t all these girls free to do who they want, he had no feelings for this girl so what’s the problem, where does he get off thinking it was the “principal” that I paid for her after she screwed him for a ton of money. Maybe because a couple other guys and I laughed at how much he spent on her. I don’t know!

The second incident was kinda funny, maybe this guy felt that if he stroked me for some cash for the girls it would lower the price he was trying to negotiate. I don’t know and frankly don’t care.


I am amazed at how naive some of these guys are that are turning up in Rio and pulling this crap with other Gringo’s not knowing who it is there are pulling this stuff on. I may be fairly new to the scene (3 trips) in Rio but I’m far from new on the game and how things work.

For the record, the girl I opted out on the sisters for, I spent my last 4-5 days I was there with this girl and she wouldn’t take any money for the time we spent together. Just goes to show ya, if you’ve got a bit of game, street smarts or treat that certain girl right you don’t always have to pay for their companionship.

Anyone else have comments or stories about the quality of guys that are going to Rio and letting their cash do their thinking?

I've run into guys who pay the girls whatever they ask. They tell me it's too much trouble to haggle with them or cheapens the act some how. Sheesh!

I guess we all can't be God's gift to prostitutes like you apparently are.

Porcăo,
Chill, boy. He's just expressing an opinion. Respond to the issue, not the person.

Rio will always have guys that pay what they feel is right. There are certain people down there that think they make their own rules and as Wombat mentioned pay whatever the girls ask. I wouldn't sweat what you can't control

You're right, all you losers that pay for pussy need to get some 'game'.

I have no problem giving girls a little something for their time.....As long as it involves sexual intercourse.

Perhaps he mistook them for his psychiatrist.

RG.

This is precisely the reason I am VERY selective in who I meet up with on trips, if at all.

While drama with the ladies is sometimes unavoidable, drama with Mongers is never acceptable.

If I'm at TA and interviewing a garota, my personal policy is if she makes it through the first five minutes, I will order her a juice or maybe a choppe and that's it - it's either a parting gift or foreplay, depending on how the rest of the interview plays out.

I do this, by the way, more out of politeness than anything else. In a terma I do a full interview that is fairly heavy on body contact, which is impossible at TA - to a large degree at least. So, throwing in 2-4 reals for a juice or beer is a small test. If I ask if she wants a juice and she asks for something expensive, or, like one night, I asked if she wanted juice and her reply was "can you buy me dinner", I drop those girls before the last syllable is out of her mouth.

As to not doing other guy's girls, if she's a favorita or less in status, she's fair game. If there is actually some sort of relationship going on, then maybe not, but you just don't see that much in Rio.

As to guys who overpay, they're idiots and lets just leave it at that. There are plenty of threads on the subject and the reality is that the price you pay is whatever you negotiate. I know what I'm willing to pay, and that's what I go by.

Believe it or not, your experience is common. Most of us just never mention it. It's ok though. The sad fact is a goodly percentage of us lack social graces. As an aside, we have a certain percentage of mongers who "choose" to pay for it while the remaining, like our village DIPSHIT!, Porker, MUST pay for it.
The best thing I found is to remain civil whenever you do meet a DIPSHIT!, such as Porker and then just move on. No need to waste time on them. We're wasting way too much already. There a plenty of cool guys to meet in your travels. You'll be surprised at the life long friendships that materialize.
I would, however, refrain from the comment about your having "game" when a hooker is concerned. She's playing you. That's her "game" and she is good at it. Good Luck!

When I mention the word “Game” I’m referring to “social skills, knowledge and a bit if self control” acquired through previous interaction with females, whether they be professionals or not. It simply amazes me that some of these guys have no clue as to what their doing when it comes to talking a girl out of her pants. If your dealing with a pro and you still make an ass of yourself, well, need I say more?

As for Porker, maybe I hit a nerve….lol !

As for the guy that got upset with me doing the girl after the fact, he had no relationship, feelings or attachment to her; she was a 1 time deal for him. Makes ya wonder doesn’t it?

As for the guy that felt I should pay for the girl’s time, I’ve seen this concept in strip clubs and I’ve never played into it there as well. Socializing is the cost of doing business for these girls, why would a person pay them for talking?

Like Wallstreet mentions, I usually am selective on whom I hang with but for some reason I had a brain fart and wasn’t so selective this time. Didn’t sweat it though, plenty of other good guys to hang with, just thought I’d mention how fellow Gringo’s can make you say huh, did he just say that?

"When I mention the word “Game” I’m referring to “social skills, knowledge and a bit if self control” acquired through previous interaction with females, whether they be professionals or not."

Maybe this is why some of us are paying in the first place.

By Porker on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 03:25 pm: Edit

You're right, all you losers that pay for pussy need to get some 'game'.



I want to go on the record, I don't pay for pussy, I pay for women to walk away when I'm finished!

Heh heh heh!

Smirker

One way or the other I can assure you we all pay for pussy either directly or indirectly. IMHO - Hemp

JR Ewing on paying directly: "Cash and carry, honey. And that's the way I want to keep it!"

Damn, I wish I could someday be in the Brazil cool guys club...

Hemp, your are absolutely right...I have been married for 26 years now and I've paid for that pussy in blood, sweat and tears. There is no "Free Pussy" anywhere period. That being said, to Back12draft, don't pay too much attention to some comments from some indidviduals on this board...Some are bleading hearts who have their set of rules they believe are ethically inclined, yet they are in Rio and buying whores! It is unfortunate that we have mongers that go to Rio without first researching. That I believe is one of the main purposes of this board as well as the
WSM and TSM which I am a member of as well. These boards are here to educate. Also, there is nothing wrong if you ask a girl what she wants and she says "Will you buy me supper" and you do. What would be insane would be to take her to the most expensive restaurant in Rio...Food is cheap in Rio and so is booze, but we all have our own little idiosyncratic habits that we like to think is unique and helpful to others. Sometimes it is and sometimes it's not. As to game, your definitely need it in Help...let know one tell you otherwise. In the Terma's no, not really. If your a somewhat decent person (and probably even if your a total fucking slob) your gonna get laid by a fairly attractive girl. I'm amazed the gringos you met didn't live in the termas. I mean the price is pretty much fixed, why spend all that cash...makes me wonder if they even knew that the termas existed. Anyway, press on dude! One more thing though...where's the pics!

To answer your questions Whackerdog, the first guy I was talking about; we took him to Lumos he blew his wad and his budget, once again we helped him out with some cash. Then he wanted to go to a Favala party with the first girl he did at Lumos, we strongly suggested otherwise but sometimes you can’t protect someone from himself, can you! Don’t know if he went or not, gave up on him at that point.

As for pictures, I can’t figure out the damn explanation of how to upload them onto the site myself so I submitted some and I got a reply saying that they were extremely busy and would post them when they get a chance.
Anyone care to clarify the upload process here in easier terms, well with the exception of Porker, I figure he’s too busy looking for the “Cool guy club”…lol If he’s got enough cash, maybe he can buy a personality when he finally finds the club. I hope nobody here shows him the secret handshake though.

I know what you mean. The instructions for uploading via discuss post are vague at best. I'll try to explain. First, if you have a lot of pictures, it's best to send them to support. If you don't they will post right into your report taking up a lot of space. If you only have a few pics this is ok. To do this, you have to write your report and press the button right after the smiley face at the place in your post that you want the pictures to occur. Do this throughout your report and when your done and ready to post click the "preview/post message" button as always and reveiw your message. You will not be able to upload at this point. You must finalize your posting before you can upload. As you know, after you review your post, there will be a button at the bottom reading "Post this message" press it, and wait a few seconds and at this point you will be able to browse your hardrive to select the photos you want to upload. Hope this helps. Again, if you only have a few photos this is the way to go. If you have a shitload, send them to support. WD

Thanks Whackerdog, I have a shitload of pics but I'll post a few on my report,

"REVISION"
I see they finally posted a few of my pics under the Multimedia section for Brazil..



(Message edited by back12draft on May 24, 2005)

Sorry, Porcăo. You can't even be in the Thai Cool Guys Club. A filho da puta is a filho da puta anywhere...

Stop it. I'm gonna cry.

I see or read about chumps paying way too much and it upsets me because I have come across average, at best, chicas who ask and even insist on a high fee for a 1-hour session. Of course, I won't pay...I'll walk...but then I have to look and work a little harder than before. Why is this? Because most newbies who catch-on to the mongering scene have no one to mentor them. They go in green making assumptions that they must pay US or strip club prices "wherever" there is pussy to be had. This "abnormally" inflates the chica's income expectations for her pussy...when normally she would make maybe $1 or $2 an hour, or even less, running a cash register in the local food market.

Most of us who were raised in the states likely saw our male role models spoiling American women with lavish gifts and money (providing the good life)..."really" not just to be caring, but also with a motive to ensure that they got a steady supply of pussy from mom, or auntie, or whomever. This is cultural brainwashing, and the new guys simply need to learn what is acceptable and not acceptable rates to pay when mongering outside of US borders.

Please don't misinterpret what I am saying. You don't have to be a cheap ass...but don't be a fool either. Latin and South American women do not respect a chump. A chump has no machismo (strength). A weak man is not a desirable mate for a Latina or chica...yes, she will fuck you and take all your money...but likely she will not be as excited when she fucks you like she probably would be if she thinks she is fucking a strong man who is not a fool.

Study up on machismo guys. Too much machismo is bad...but equally, too little machismo has the same effect. As an American you can really do very well if you can learn to balance your urges to "spoil" to get pussy...with the chicas "expectations" that you are a disciplined "strong" man who knows what is a good (fair) price...don't be the fool who lets the chica walk all over his wallet.

One other thing. I fucked the chica from Royal Elegance Center in Panama...I think her name was Elisa...anyway...she is the one with the long black wavy hair (she's actually Colombian)...her pic was recently posted by a fellow mongerer. The fellow club member who posted her pic does not know me...I do not know him. I sincerely hope he broke a few good nuts...assuming he understands our world...I would expect that the fact that I fucked her before him does not make him angry...the fact that he fucked her after I did does not make me angry...hell...I will sit an have a beer with him as long as he is not bothered with this knowledge.

However, once you've developed a friendship with another guy and you meet the chica thorough him...and you decide you want to fuck the chica...be up front and tell him you want to fuck her. I asked my buddy this very thing once...he thanked me for asking rather than just taking...why? Psychologically men have a primal need to protect their territory...my buddy told me that his ego would have taken a spear had I simply just fucked the chica...but when I asked him...he actually wanted me to fuck her...kind of like she was his gift to me. (Wouldn't that have been interesting had we both caught the clap?)

Now when you are simply two guys who meet in a bar...then you are just two guys with equal dibs on the same piece of meat. Law of the jungle simply applies...hopefully one of you has common sense.

Alec

?????? for the Vets. I hear that if you want a Terma girl to take a few days off from work, you need to give them $200R so that they can pay the "fine" for missing work. Is this true?

Also, if they do take time off from work, to spend time with you, what is a good amount to give them for each day that they spend with you? Is another $200R per day fair, too little, or too much?

Good question Smirker. I hope you get an answer because I would also like to know. 400R a day between bar fine and the woman sounds too much to me. If they really do have a 200R bar fine than would mean they would have to be doing 2 men a day just to break even. Maybe I'm way off on this but I don't think they do that many.

Smirker, they do get fined for not showing up at work unless they have an out like a doctors note and when you consider that they might be in a Terma for 10 hours and not get a guy you see why they will risk it for some outside action. R200 is about right but depends on the terma.

The rule of thumb for a termas fine is the woman's fee for one cabine, which can vary from termas to termas. Estimates are: Centaurus is about 200R, Monte Carlo and Solarium are 120R and L'Uomo is 110R.

from experience, the fine the girl pays the terma is usually about $200R, centuarus is $300R. Some terma girls you can pay an additional 200-300R for the day; so your total output is 4-500R. the up side is you have the girl for the day, not the hour. now add lunch/dinner/drinks etc....

do you want a gfe date???? or a hourly rental????

after you get to know the girl, then she may make up stories to tell her boss....like she has to take her father to the doctors and then she does not have to pay the bar fine.....this works if she has been at the terma for a period of time.

in their minds, they are usually supporting the family; and telling the family they have secretary jobs or work in the bingo halls (thus the long hours). in short, these girls need the money. there are days they can be in a terma for 8-10 hours and not even session (more common at 4*4, due to the competition)

enjoy

Well stated Alecjamer! Like I mentioned in my original post, which may have been misinterpreted as bragging but wasn't intended as such, the girl I spent the last days of my trip with didn’t accept any money due to the fact that I believe I established exactly like you mention, I didn’t act like nor allow myself to be a chump. I treated her with a certain amount of respect and she simply reciprocated, granted I did treat her in those few days so it all balanced out in my opinion. You’re very accurate when you say that many of these girls are in need of the money and some due help support their families with their income. I intent on developing a long term relationship with this girl regardless of the fact that she fucks for money, hell, I’m not exactly new myself so who am I to judge!

There is a fine line in between a chump with money and a guy that a girl can really get into while fucking him, in the physical sense. Like Whackerdog said in his comment, you need “game” if your going to be successful, both financially and integrity wise in this arena of sex for money with pros.

Interesting discrepency in termas fines. What I related is from, how should I say, mulitple horseys' mouths, but things could have changed since last October, when I was last told that. It would be in the gp's interest to inflate the fine, because she would expect her client to cover the fine, and add whatever amount of dinheiro on top of that.

I should add that the horseys that told me about their termas's fines were from L'Uomo and Monte Carlo. Centaurus probably is 300R, since they seem to price everything higher.

Porker: cheer up, you fit in everywhere as Hombre's very own Homer Simpson!

At some places the fine varies. At 4x4 it is 100 I believe, 65 I know is 200 and centaurus at least some days of the week is only 100 also (I know because my "girlfriend" pays it). One warning though, all of the girls who go after work or miss days with guys on a regular basis have doctor friends who give them notes and therefore almost never pay the fine but ask you for it anyway. Another common trick is telling you the fine (it is actually called moda or mota or something) is higher than it is for more $

update, as of right now the fine for girls at centaurus is 100 reais every day except Saturday and Monday when it is 500 reais. 65 is 200 and 4x4 is 100 most days (friday might be 150 or 200). if you are asked for more than this the girl is lying.

Hemp is right, we all pay...dinner at a nice place plus a couple of post dinner drinks, taxi or gas + parking approx $200...and if you just met her, you are rollin' the dice that she is not on the rag or a prude (apply the three date rule for an American girl with half a strong head on her shoulders and you have set yourself back $500+, and that probably does not count the $100 you spent drinking with your buddies the night you got her number or met her...)

As far as not having game, unless you are a celebrity, there is not one of us on this board who is banging three solid hotties per day with no committments, so just because you are paying does not mean you don't have game...just means you are smart with your time...