I guess Kenny had so much fun the first time he went to prison that he wanted to go for round 2. I'm sure he wont get a slap on the wrist this time, he is looking at some serious time.

Unfortunately, he also fucked over 29 other Americans!! Those guys now are going to have thier visa's revoked and they will never be able to return to Brasil! All because of a fucking boat cruise!! Here is the story below.



Last night June 11, 2005 - 29 Americans were arrested and are being deported for suspected "Sexual Tourism" and drugs, and also without having Identification on them. This is a front page story in Brazil's largest newspaper O'Globo and on the News. The group of 29 Americans were on a boat called the Shangrila' along with 40 prostitutes. Brazilian Federal Police who have been investigating operators of sexual tourism intercepted the boat in the Marina da Gloria. The organizer of the event, an American, Kenneth Graham who has had problems in the past with this kind of "boat ride", has been arrested and is being held on accusations of running a sexual tourism agency. His photo has appeared in Brazilian newspapers and TV news. The other Americans are being deported within 3 days and will have their Visas revoked and not be able to return to Brazil. All the women involved are regulars of the Help/Meia Pataca scene. They were released with incident. There is a REAL crackdown on Sexual Tourism in Rio. Americans are being photographed and watched. This is part of the Patriot Act, - read the laws, if you go to another country with the intention of sexual tourism, you can go to jail in the USA for up to 20 years.

(Message edited by Thumper on June 12, 2005)

"This is part of the Patriot Act, - read the laws, if you go to another country with the intention of sexual tourism, you can go to jail in the USA for up to 20 years. "

Um... i thought that law applied to Americans who travel with the intent to engage in underaged sex?

DG, I think you, like the poster above, are confusing the Patriot Act with the PROTECT ACT. The Patriot Act takes away right from Americans (like due process, having the FBI be bothered to obtain an actual warrant before searching bank and personal records, etc.) in the name of fighting terrorists.

The Protect Act makes it a Federal Crime, punishable by up to 30 years in prison for engaging in underage sex in foreign countries. It was passed in 2003.

Neither of those laws, to the best of my knowledge, says ANYTHING about Americans not being able to have sex with adult age prostitutes in foreign countries. At least not yet. Give Bush and the Republican controlled Congress some time for that to pass. My bet is you’ll see something by the end of Bush’s term on this.

Xenono is completely correct. From the US State Dept. web site (about Brasil):

"Adult prostitution is legal; however, various associated activities, such as operating an establishment of prostitution, are illegal."

Termas, for example, are illegal activities, but the operators bribe the appropriate officials, and termas are such an integral part of Brasilian society that they are tolerated. All of the escort agencies are similarly illegal activities. Are you in legal jeopardy if you use them? No. It's the operators of the services who are taking the legal risk.

The Patriot Act has zero to do with prostitution, making most everything else reported by that person somewhat suspect. Childhood prostitution (under age 18) is illegal in Brasil, and it is illegal for Americans (under the PROTECT Act) to travel to foreign countries for the purpose (even intent) of having sex with minors. Brasil cooperates with the US DOJ in attempting to detain Americans suspected of childhood prostitution and turning them over to the US.

Loading up a boat full of skanky GDPs from MP/Help may not be illegal, but it's stupid. Brasil is embarrassed by its reputation as a sex tourism destination, and will make life difficult for those who flaunt it. Getting arrested, even on bogus charges, will ruin a vacation. In this case, charges of drugs (STUPID MORONS) and not carrying papers (ditto; always carry a photocopy of your passport and visa with you) will stick, so these guys are goners, never to be allowed back into Brasil.

Xenono is also correct that Bush and his crusaders would like to make traveling to a foreign country for legal paid sex illegal. He pressured Brasil to change its policies by telling Brasil it would lose $40 million in HIV prevention money if it didn't. Brasil said "fuck you very much" to the US, not wanted to stigmatize prostitution nor allow the US to challenge their sovereignty.

Bottom line: Prostitution is not illegal in Brasil. Childhood prostitution is illegal anywhere for American citizens. Stupidity will get you in trouble nearly everywhere.

>Neither of those laws, to the best of my knowledge, says ANYTHING about Americans not
>being able to have sex with adult age prostitutes in foreign countries. At least not
>yet. Give Bush and the Republican controlled Congress some time for that to pass. My bet is
>you’ll see something by the end of Bush’s term on this.

Why would it not surprise me if you're right on this? And with the Patriot Act to allow them to subpoena Hombre's records without your knowledge, and of course make it illegal for him to even tell anyone they did so, even being a member of CH could be enough to make you a marked man should such legislation pass.

Ironically, if such legislation were passed, the only place a US citizen could legally travel for prostitution would be - the USA - namely, Nevada. Which makes one wonder how long until the feds somehow make that illegal too. I can hear the argument now "uuuuh, people travel across state lines to visit the brothels, so that makes it interstate commerce, which is regulated by federal law". I'm almost surprised Bush hasn't gone after that yet. How many politicians do you think are going to stand up for Nevada's right to have legalized prostitution?

Maybe he is (cleverly) waiting until he has the Supreme Court stacked in his favor? Let's all just pray the congress flips back to a Democratic majority next year, so they and the president can go back to stonewalling each other.

This is turning into a rather interesting discussion, gents. Meu tres centavos:
As I understand it from what was explained a few years ago when all this started, certain countries (like the USA and UK) have put legal mechanisms in place such that if a citizen travels abroad and commits acts that are considered criminal in their home country they can be prosecuted upon their returned to the hallowed shores. The showpiece was travel for sex with minors, and they wheel out some pathetic offenders to give sympathy for the passage of the legislation, and put it in such a perspective that it is impossible to be against it without you yourself appearing to be some sort of monster. And of course there was the Gary Glitter celebrity case. But note that the law is not specific to sexual deviates – at whoever’s whim, it can easily be expanded to defying any laws of the person’s home country. The track has been laid, now it’s just a matter of what the trains can carry, to put it metaphorically. For example, consuming a substance in Nepal that is illegal back home could possibly get you a rather rude reception upon your return. Consider the possibilities.
And then of course there is suspicion of terrorism, the great catch-all of the Patriot Act. Just as several years ago it was declared that smoking weed was supporting terrorism because of the money trail, well, the same could be said of anything you pay for, doesn’t it? Why do you shop at that corner market owned by Arabs, eh? The Patriot Act demands that you act like a patriot, and have nothing to do with foreigners, under threat of suspicion. Like LBJ once said of a certain other piece of legislation “it like grandma’s night dress – it covers everything.”

As for the illegality of prostitution there is something rather uncomfortable afoot. For those of you out there who can remember the early 1970s (ahem!), recall that when the “women’s liberation” movement was first developing it was prostitutes who were considered the heroes of the revolution, laying it down (heh-heh) on the front lines. At the time Jane Fonda considered it a great political statement to play one (“Klute”). But starting in the 1990s I would hear left-leaning female political types talking about how to eliminate that social cancer, prostitution. They sound as puritanical about it as the religious right. And as of late Ms. Hillary has been making frequent references to “God” and “faith.” I’d say look forward to a federal law against it in the future. But on the other hand it could be a great show when challenged by the civil libertarians, illustrating that marriage itself is a form of it.

[Not to distract from thread, but I wouldn’t worry much about Hillary in ‘08]

"Maybe he is (cleverly) waiting until he has the Supreme Court stacked in his favor? Let's all just pray the congress flips back to a Democratic majority next year, so they and the president can go back to stonewalling each other."

No. That would be a disaster. So, too avoid a theocratic, faith based congress, you would replace it with a socialist, marxist based congress. Not much of a victory.

The biggest restraints on run away government historically have been with Democratic Presidents and Republican Congresses. Republicans are far better as the opposition party. They are terrible when they have power. They are better at opposing the socialism of the Left and act with more fiscal responsibility when galvanized against a liberal slimebag like a Clinton.

Keep the Republican congress next year, in fact I hope the balance sways more towards the Repbulicans. Vote Democrat for President in '08. That's probably the best chance for a slowdown in run-away government.

As far as justices go. Its a no win situation. The majority opinion in yesterday's Kelo case was penned by Liberals. The Conservatives authored the best opinions as dissents, especially Thomas who is the biggest defender of property rights on the bench. However, when it comes to drugs, religion or sex, may God help you with the Conservatives (pun intended).

There's no way around it, freedom is under attack from the Left and the Right. You can't simply bash Bush and fail to identify the even larger threat from the Left.