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	Archive 01	50		2005/08/31, 08:54 pm

roblaw, thanks for the assistance, i am practicing every day but still not perfect. what do you mean that is not mine? the girl? she is not in italy, a little north.

It is difficult for me to stay (estar -- a temporary state of being not ser) in a country that is NOT mine.

If you want to get inside her head, this means even though I live here I am a Brazilain woman and this will never be my country. (ser)

I try to explian this to girls in Rio but it's hard because in America we are a country of many nationalities.

Brazil, although diverse, has few immigrants, but there is a BIG difference between the North and South. But they are all Brazilian!

I had a rather long discussion with a working girl with one child from an American. She instisted her son was Brazilian and not half American. As you understand Brazil, you understand the pride of nation. We see a coutry with less. They see a happy life with fun people who love family and dancing.

This is the primary reason they love sex (although I'm still learning much about this!) . . . it is the love of fun, musci and dance especially in Rio that translates into a love of sex which is why this girl is having such a hard time in Europe becuase everyones so "stuck up." (frio)

Ask her where she's from, and it will tell you alot about who she is --- polista, carrioca (SP) -- north?

Girls from the South have an easier time in Europe I think becasue San Paulo is like a European city. Girls from Rio or the North I think would have a much harder time adjusting.

what is a polista?

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(Message edited by gr8ter on August 31, 2005)

I think he means Paulista, from Sao paulo.

RL,

When you say Brasil has few immigrants, I assume you mean that the flow of immigrants is not great at this point in time. Brasil is a land of immigrants. The population of Brasil is over 99% "immigrant" (non-native), just like the US. There have been several large waves of voluntary (Italian, German, Portuguese, Japanese, etc.) and nonvoluntary (slaves from Africa) immigrants. The native indio population was almost completely wiped out within 200 years after Cabral arrived in 1500.

You are correct, though, in picking up on the nationalistic bias in Brasil. Historically Brasilians have thought of themselves as "Brasilians" first, and haven't thought "ethnically" in the way that Americans do. But that is changing, and there is a growing "race conciousness" developing in Brasil, especially among Brasilians of African descent. In southern Brasil, where most of the immigration came from Europe, people talk about being "Italian-Brasilian" and "German-Brasilian" in a way that's less true in the NE, where the dominant immigrant groups were African and Portuguese. But even in the NE there is growing interest in race, in studies of "Afro-Brasilian" culture, and such matters.

Brasil is a big, complex, and very diverse country. It's hard to speak in generalities about such a place.

Considering the fact that Roblaw has about six months experience with Portuguese, and seems to mispell every word of it he writes here, I would not use him as a reference for language. In fact, with all of the free and R$70 pussy he seems to pull, I'm surprised he even needs Portuguese.

Gr8ter, make sure you make it down here this weekend. I met this girl at 4x4 yesterday who says she knows you, but might not remember you for much longer.

Cat did the girl by the way mention she was going to Buzios this weekend with Hemp? - Gr8ter was kind enough to send 5K so AP and her can be with "Little Hempy" this weekend. Thanks Gr8ter - Hemp

Bwana, you nailed it buddy!

Cato,

She needs to forget me and go about her business because I probably won't make it down unfortunately She is a great girl though as most of you know so try to treat her well guys, and you can't go wrong by taking her upstairs. Unfortunately I can't shake AP but hopefully Big and Little Hempy can help me on that point

Gr8ter - that's what friends are for - Big and Little Hempy

Growing race differnce, really? So you think all the darker girls are from Rio . . . they are all from the North. The South is a blend of Europe . . . as in Portugal, but I thought that was rather obvious! The North goes back to slave days and as I'm sure you know they are not very popular in Rio! See any rich dark Brazilians in Leblon? Have you ever been to Pizza Guava Bar past 4:00 AM? At a high class Brazilian party?

As far as race, yes there were people comming to Brazil to live back in the 1800S! I'm rather sure that trend has sort of ended. But there is a rather large 100,000+ population of Japanese in SP, the South has roots back to Nothern Europe, Buzious is owned by Arg, the North is exremely Black, the interior resembles the North and is all about farming, the South has the wealth, industry, cattle, and many other diversities.

Rio is a tourest city, attracts Brazialns from all over Brazil and is NOT typical Brazil! We Americans are tourests, viewed that way and if you know anything you know there is a very mixed feeling about what goes on in Copa!

Geez give me a break!

Any girl you meet in the "Thermas" has been trained to be a pro and most likely started in the slums somewhere when she was 14 or younger.

I am still learning about Brazil and love this country but am learning the truth!

In my life I have learned that when all someone has to offer is to correct my spelling it is sign of something. I am just trying to help the learning curve here as I have found volumes of wrong information here and wonder why these guys who claim to know Brazil so well why misslead men here?

Truth is in over 90 days in Brazil I have had sex with one girl in a Therma . . . great time for 45 minutes in a small room and after you Org she's out like quick silver for more action.

P.S. --> do Chinese Americnas view themselves as Chinese? Itialian Americans from Italy? Jews from Isreal? English from England? The only ethnic group thinking about the past is African Americans but I don't see a line to get back to Africa!

My blood is from Spain, England and Notehrn Euopre but I'm American! Funny thing is it's the same in Brazil, and I am still trying to understand why someone who makes $200US or less a month feels so great about their country.

Brazilians love their culture and a very different from everyone else in SA. Diverse and complex country but amazing loyalty to country. And this is one of the most amazing things about Brazil!

I'm sure you can teach me much but why I read so much BS here is really a mystery.

RL-
I think you're picking up on the fact that more than a few guys are a bit put off by your seeming arrogance; that you are posing to be an expert of Brasil, telling "the truth," when in fact it's apparent to most of the guys who have been around a long tiime that you know little about Brasil, it's culture, or the Portuguese language.

Let's see:

"Growing race differnce, really?" Actually, I said "growing race conciousness."

"So you think all the darker girls are from Rio . . . they are all from the North." Hmmm...I don't think I said a word about "darker girls," Nevertheless, you're wrong, guilty of oversimplification. The bulk of the slaves brought to Brasil (beginning in the 1560s and not ending until the passage of the "Lei Aurea" in 1888) were indeed brought to the NE (primarily Salvador), but when the capital of Brasil moved from Salvador to Rio in 1763, huge numbers of slaves were imported to Rio as well (estimated at well over 500,000). Additionally, over a million slaves were brought in through the port in Rio and sent to work in the mines in Minas Gerais (the state neighboring RJ, and NOT in the NE). So, yes, most Black Brasilians come from the NE, and there has been a steady migration of them to the south, particularly to Rio and SP, but there was a large population of Blacks from Rio and Minas Gerais as well.

"But there is a rather large 100,000+ population of Japanese in SP" Well, you're off by a factor of 10. There are over 1 million people of Japanese origin in the city of SP, and almost 3 milion in the state.

"the South has roots back to Nothern Europe" ...and southern Europe. You do know that Italy is located in southern Europe? There are, in fact, more southern Europeans than northern Europeans in the south of Brasil. The last census indicated that there are about 3 million Brasilians of Italian origin in SP alone, and there are entire communities in the states of Rio Grande do Sul and Santa Catarina where the residents still speak Italian.

"Any girl you meet in the "Thermas" has been trained to be a pro and most likely started in the slums somewhere when she was 14 or younger. " AND "Truth is in over 90 days in Brazil I have had sex with one girl in a Therma" OK...I'm perplexed. You claim to be an expert on termas girls (come on, you can spell it right, and there is only the plural version...no singular "terma" exists in Portuguese). You seem to be comfortable making sweeping generalizations about termas girls, then you tell us you've only sessioned with one?! So how is it you came to be an expert? Don't tell me; you're an anthropologist and you spend your evenings interviewing termas girls for your forthcoming book on the subject. Well, guess what? The picture is a bit more complicated than you suggest, as I expect every CH guy who's had more than one termas experience would agree. For every favelada I know who works in a termas, I know a girl who comes from middle-class origins. My second termas experience ever was with a law student (I know she wasn't lying because one of her professors was in the termas and vouched that she was in fact a very good student (she was also a very good fuck)) from the top law school in Rio.

I could go on, but I won't. Cara, you've been in Rio for "over 90 days" but that hardly makes you an expert. Some of the guys on CH have lived in Rio (and elsewhere in Brasil) for years, some have been coming for decades, some have gone to Brasilian universities, some have taught in Brasilian universities, some ARE Brasilian, and so forth. What is annoying is that you come off like you're an expert on the language and the culture when, in fact, most of what you post is either wrong or represents a gross oversimplification. Ease off a little on the "listen to me, I'll tell you the truth because there's so much BS here" angle and maybe guys won't come down on you.



(Message edited by Bwana_dik on September 02, 2005)

I'll chip in a solid R$50 for Roblaw's cab ride west. Let's see if a guy who's "blood is from Spain, England and Notehrn Euopre but I'm American" can pick up a little information about Brasilian society by hoofing it back in to Rio from the suburbs.

Thanks for the information and I learned much from your reply. The problem here while you seem to know much about the history of Brazil and taken your time to learn the language almost every other American I met hasn't a clue nor wants one!

I have much to learn, study portuguese while I'm away and of course when I'm in Brazil. Talk to people about things besides being a tourest when I'm in Brazil, and like anything in life learn!

For me I have a few rules:

1. I do not believe any girl who works at night.

2. If they are good at what they do, they read you like a book and feed you what you want. It's their job!

3. There are many shades of grey in Rio and Brazil.

4. As a general rule there is a difference between lighter and darker skin tones.

5. Brazilians typically do not like Italians!

6. I need more than just a good fuck . . . I am more of "company" type guy.

I the type who would sit with you and listen for hours and ask questions and learn. I can only fuck for a hour a day, that leaves 23 hours for leanring and having fun.

Your reply just added to my understanding of Race, immigration, the North, South, West and East of Brazil and my basic understanding of Brazil.

Welathly Brazilians love Brazil because they live the good life at maybe half the price or less of any other country. Poor Brazilians have little chance of hitting it big as a lawyer or anything except maybe being a dentist, doctor, living of the tourest trade or of course marrying above thier status.

All you have to do is watch a Novela (any one) and this rich-poor : black-white drama is played out almost every day.

Maybe I should just give up leanring? I think I've leanred alot in a short time and plan on leanring much more.

Hey RL,

I agree with all except point 4, although on point 6 sometimes I'm perfectly content with a killer blowjob and a fuckfest that involves little to no non-sexual interaction (sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't).

I don't know what you mean when you say there's a difference between skin tones. Obviously, at one level there's a difference (one tone lighter, one tone darker). But if you mean that behavior/attitudes/sexual abilities/etc. vary by skin tone, I guess I haven't found that to be true. I have about five favoritas right now. One's a blonde (natural), one is Black (and considers herself so, unlike many dark-skinned brasilieras), and the other three are somewhere in-between. They are all different from one another, but the differences don't seem to have anything to do with skin color.

Maybe you're getting at the notion that darker-skinned brasilieras are, on average, poorer, more poorly educated, etc. All true: the notion of "racial democracy" in Brasil is a total myth. But those characteristics are not racial characteristics; they are class characteristics. That is, it's class, not skin tone, that leads to living in crappy communities with crappy schools and limited opportunities. I met a fair-skined favelada in July who didn't seem any different than the darker-skinned faveladas I've known. I've been lied to by brasilieras of every shade, and I've had fantastic experiences with garotas of every imaginable hue as well. Brasil has helped me jettison all the "color" bullshit I was exposed to as a kid in the US.

On your first point, I think it's always best to be rather skeptical (How do you know when a GDP is lying? Her lips move.), but you meet the rare exception now and again. I approach all GDPs inclined to disbelieve every word out of their mouths. But occasionally you hear them say something that you just know is true, such as the time one told me "I really like Tom, but MitchC is just my bank."

2 posts up BD totally bitch slapped you RL :D

Thanks for the info. With what's going on in NO race seems to be a hot topic at home. At first glace, I thought all Brazilians were created equal but I've learned different. As far as your information on Brazil, I think you're rather well informed for an American and for a Brazilin also. You are one of the few posters here who seems to have a great deal of knowledge. Thank you for your informative posts.

One of the lessons that I learned very early in life is that no matter how smart I am, or how much I learn, there is always going to be someone smarter than me, or more knowledgable.

It is sometimes exciting and other times frustrating to learn about a whole new culture and language, as many of us have done here in Brazil. RL, I can read this excitement in your posts, but your are confusing this excitement with a certain superiority. I agree with you that there are many clueless people on this board, but there are also many knowledgable and highly intelligent posters on this board as well. I hate to say it, but based on your posts, I would put you in the middle of the pack. You are certainly not clueless but you are far from an expert also.

If I were you, give advise to the clueless, and listen to the experts. In order to do that, you need to be able to tell the difference between the two groups. Work on that.

Are you telling me that Copacabana is not a true represntation of Brazil? And all this time I thought that was what the entire country was like. Of course, I also believe that Disney World is a good representation of the US.

No shit, Disney World isn't?