Thumper..No shit you too.lol.She did that to me for a little bit, now she don't even acknowledge me.She wanted me to call her in the daytime cause I pay too little.lol...

It’s been 2 years since I’ve been to Rio and the whole Help scene. Since I work part-time in the strip club industry and have for about 10 years I’ve become much more jaded than your average guy. I hate the term Monger, for me it conjures up the vision off a guy wearing a trench coat hiding in the bushes with candy in his pocket. Never the less, I agree that many of the pictures on the site aren’t flattering as far as some might describe them but I still get disappointed when I guy posts a pic of his date totally clothed.

I agree that maybe over the years things have declined in the area of whore-mastering but the fact still remains that where else can you find tanned, young ass willing to give it up for such cheap prices? Brazil is an entity in itself as far as woman go.

Here in Canada the strip club/escort scene is now hugely flooded with Euro trash that are completely money oriented. No non-sense business chicks not even willing to give a hint of appreciation or friendliness for your hard-earned cash. Bang and out the door!

My 2 cents, guys consider the fact that the scene has changed all over the world and ya gotta let go of the good ole days. I am the first to admit that the 80’s and 90’s were the best of times, for me anyway. If I had my way I’d bring a suitcase load of these gorotas home with me but reality is that they’d bail as soon as they get a taste of cash or freedom.
I’ve been that guy banging the stripper for free and it’s great.

I’m constantly amazed at the amount of guys here that don’t understand that ya can turn a housewife into a whole but you’ll never turn a whore into a housewife! (Fact)

P.S. I’m in Rio April 28th – May 15th. I’ve learned to roll with the best of them and this time I hope isn’t any different.

I need help!!
I was in Rio and visited the disco Help in the
month of March.
I knew a brazilian girl called Duda (she is from
Minas Gerais) who is brown and has a large and
plump ass.
Now their telephonenumber don´t exist.
Someone can to give me information about those
girl?.
I´ll send their photo soon.

I have been coming to Rio quite frequently since July '01 (both business - with a lot of pleasure on the side - and just pleasure). Don't go to Help that often anymore but still do enjoy it on occasion. Ok, that's my resume.

I have never seen Help as absolutely dead as it was last night. Yes, it was a Tuesday but still. There were maybe a half dozen girls I would have considered doable at all. The only one I was really into asked me for a Whiskey and Red Bull within about two minutes of conversation, so I blew that off fast (you got to love when they think they can hustle you and then they end up going home solo, ha!). Now granted I had already popped with three girls during the day, so I was being picky. But it really was a disaster there

But the agencies and termas are still providing for your needs, não é? Plus, I think you might have a few numbers--are those still around?

Just been looking to mix things up a bit. I have been in a wanting to do new girls mode these last few days. I must say I did pull a super spinner last night. Blonde, 19 and just tiny.

I have seen Monica at Help both the last two nights. Seems her sweetness and innocence is fading very quickly. This is what happens when these woman hook up with the likes of DonGingo and Sandman. Once sweet young girls becoming porn stars. Monica going to Help. What will they do next I ask you? They simply better not corrupt the younger sister of DonGringo's recently featured glass dong movie star. I am hoping that will be my job .

"Blond, 19 and just tiny" Hmmmn anybody want to take a bet on where Hemp will be hanging out at tonight?

Aw shit I just read the post. I know where I'll be tonight though. Thanks Roadglide - Hemp

I think I have seen this little blond spinner. She really is tiny and looks about 16. Hey Knockneedman, does she usually wear a short denim skirt and high tight stockings?

She did not have high tight stickings, but was wearing a denim skirt. She hangs out with a brunette also short (not as) and kind of busty for her size.

I had a great time with her. She is pretty shy, though. Took some effort to get her to loosen up enough that I thought she would be worth taking home.

I liked Help last night, good ratio girls to men, I guess until Memorial Day. There is a stunner Suzanna, 18 or 19, she quoted me R$400 for short time, 10 days on the program. Anyone has any intel on her? morena clara, hot, hot, hot. She seemed very personable.

Athos $400R for "short time"? She must be a 10++++. I'll stick to the 9's for $250 to $300 for all night. - Hemp

well she said until 5:00 am to me that´s short time. She might be a 9 if you like 18 year old pristine look.

With the rate at 2.46R, the girls can forget about me paying 300R for all night. I think slowly they are starting to understand that Americans are not going to pay 300-400R for all night, like they did when the rate was higher. Eventually they will have no choice but to go home with us for 150-200R again, especially if the rate keeps falling

Hey Knockneed, I think that is her. I was interested but very concerned about her age because I never actually saw her go in Help, just saw her and that brunette circle the Terrace. Maybe I will give it a shot.

Thumper,

I would not be too sure of that. I have never seen this behavior in any mongering spot I've ever been too, and I've been all over. Regular rules will apply, that's the way it is. When the real was over 3.2 x 1, did you kick in an extra R$50 to each garota due to the heavy strengh of the dollar? Didn't think so, so what leads you to believe the garotas will drop prices? They don't do anything with dollars except exchange them, so since prices are generally in reals, they're not going to give a discount to Americans because of a weak dollar. Plenty of other guys to choose from.

Maybe you guys should do the unexpected. Start to bargan in dollars....I doubt that the GDPs know what the rate is on a given day.

RG.

Very simple answer as to why the garotas will start to drop their prices. The average monger is not going to pay a girl $160-200 bucks for a session. The girls can ask for 10,000R a nite, doesnt mean that I will give them that much.

Believe me, the girls are well aware of the exchange rate. Why do you think they started asking for 3,4,500reais in the first place?

Thumper,

Standard rules of supply, demand and price will remain as normal. Currency fluctuations happen all the time. Since Americans are a very small part of the overall scene, there isn't going to be much in the way of discount. I've mongered in over twenty countries and exchange rates fluctuate all the time. However, one thing I have never seen is price drops to coincide with our particular view of what prices should be. Has Help dropped the price of admission for Americans? Have the restaurants shaved a few reals off of the entree prices for Americans only? The garotas will continue to ask and most likely get what they've been getting the past couple of years. If it's not from you, it will be from another American or another foreigner.

Americans historically have made out well much more often than not, particularly the last 15 years or so, because the dollar was so strong. Now that the dollar has lost a lot of strength, everyone will just have to pay more or get laid less.

Scary part is, I've seen the opposite when currencies roll bad - price increases. We tend to call it "Mexican economics" and it's ass backwards, hence the name and the location you see it most in.

Let's say the peso goes from 11x1 to 9x1. 10x1 is sort of the traditional break-even point, so at 11 pussy is cheap and you pay in pesos, at 9 pussy is more expensive and you want to pay in dollars. However, the overall increase in relative cost reduces the numbers of gringos hopping the fence (demand), or at least cuts down on the number of sessions (consumption demand) or you go to cheaper spots with less quality (substitution). Now, here's where the Mexican Economics comes in: with less gringos, it's harder to make the daily quota, so the speak. So, what do they do? Well, instead of dropping prices in the short term to boost demand, Mexicans in the border town tend to increase prices, to try and make up for lost sales.

As anyone with basic economic study knows, if demand is down and you raise prices, demand tends to drop even more. The logical thing is to cut prices but that's a free market, American way of thinking. A good portion of the world simply doesn't think that way.

Now, if the real continues to gain strength and remains where it is, or higher, for an extended period of time, and as long as the Euro also continues to weaken against the Real, then perhaps prices will moderate. Lula certainly doesn't like this strong of a Real, Brasil needs exports and tourism and for those needs, the real should be as weak as possible without increasing inflation.

Termas, sex apartments and escorts are certainly not going to drop prices. With a lot of the talent already heading to Europe and with more newbies coming off the planes every day, the scene along Atlantico has been getting worse and worse for quite some time now.

Remember, the newbies don't know that things are more expensive now, Rio is a hell of a lot cheaper and much higher quality than anything they can get in the US or Europe, so they won't negotiate too hard with the garotas. Guys on boards like this are a small subset of a small American part of the Rio scene. There is a much better chance that you'll either be paying more, fucking less or fucking lesser quality for the immediate future.

Catocony,
I guess we can agree to disagree, no problem with that:-) If a monger wants to spend 200US a nite to be with a knockout, you wont hear me complaining, more power to him. As long as they are not mad at me for sleeping with her for 200R.

I have one technique that has worked well for 8 years. I NEVER ask a girl, how much money does she want to go with me. I make the decision on how much I will give her the next morning. (You have to remember, this is a male dominated culture)

Now I know a bunch of guys will get on the board and say "Yeah, but what happens the next day when you hand her 200R and she wants 500R". Well, in 8 years of traveling to Brasil (4-6 trips a year) that has happened only twice. All the other times, the girls have never even counted the money, I just put it in their purse or their back pocket as I kiss them goodbye.

I dont know about rules but i am quoted R$400 for tln, R$250 for short time
so i think for tln you can get R$300, short time R$150 to R$200.
garotas tell me "R$400 that´s nothing as you pay R$310 at Centaurus for 40 min", i respond that´s a lot of money.
I had 5´s willing to play so i backed down and called it a night. Disappointed, the terma girls were on the ugly side, no semi pros, not many guys, i think most girls end up dancing all night.
Saw NFL running back having some fun, at least he was going after the good looking ones.

Thumper--

Maybe slipping R$200 to them works for you, since you're a good-looking stud who could get it for free.

I've had problems when I didn't discuss money up front; one hot garota I did a year before wouldn't take the same amount (R$250), she got really agitated about wanting R$500 even though I was sending her home without popping because of her inadequate performance (maybe BECAUSE I was sending her home, yes). Another time, I gave one US$100 the first night (at 2.8:1), when I gave her R$250 the next night, she demanded more, and stalked away with a "Don't ever call me again" attitude. These are garotas I treated very nicely, including expensive dinners and/or entertainment.

I've learned that for me, not being in my studly prime, I get the best results when I negotiate every detail ahead of time.

And I don't always, so I keep getting reminded that I should do it right after that garota who's SOOOooo hot that I skip the interview or part of it, turns out to be a disappointment one way or another.

Thumper
Although I wouldn't recomend it,I too find myself not talking about money till the end.I usually just ask how much or just slip them between 150-200r and Ive never had a problem.I don't do it all the time,its usually with the girls I hit it off with at Help.I have never paid more than $200r.

I agree it may not be the best practice,especially if you want to avoid problems and have certain terms you want to hashed out.Knowing some kind of Portuguese also helps, to avoid misunderstandings.

Thx for the compliment Hunterman. I actually think its based on alot more than just looks. If you take control and let the girls know that YOU will be calling the shots and that YOU dictate how much you will spend, they will respect you more. If they know they can walk all over you, they will. Thats why some girls will throw out such crazy prices at Help, they want to see if you are a sucker who will pay it.

Was at Help last night. The talent level was fair (did not see a must have - perhaps i am getting spoiled). I was hanging out with a lady from Fortaleza from 1:00 and left with her @ 2:00.. During that time it got packed. Perhaps the quality went up as i had already made up my mind and was not walking around checking out the talent.

Thumper said: I have one technique that has worked well for 8 years. I NEVER ask a girl, how much money does she want to go with me. I make the decision on how much I will give her the next morning.

I agree whole heartedly, as I never even mention leaving with her. Let her do the invitation to leave, and do not even talk about money. If she throws out a number, it is because she does not want to lose you and the money, so coming from her, if she negotiates it, it will usually be reasonable. If she starts high, you go low, and settle for an amount in the middle.

After the session, if it is just average and nothing to write home about, or she just eats and runs, then pay the exact amount talked about. If nothing was talked about, then pay the normal rate and tell her adios.

If on the other hand, she was absolute gold, then reward her with a little extra. PBS, Performance Based Salary.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

Can somebody please post some pics of the inside of HELP disco? I want to see the mulata's.

Bigleo, go to the website at discoteca-help.com and click on the photos.

Club Help was ok tonight again.. Usually there are about 3 or 4 girls the whole club goes after. I did see one superstar that went with some big dude in an Argentina soccer jersey (if u are a member god bless).. I have been to Help for years but i have never witnessed the sunday night event of "its a raining men".. The women went absolutely nutz as a few brave soldiers danced to the joy of the female crowd that encircled them. On a brighter note, I took home a tiny spinner from sao paolo. the session was fine. she is a nice girl but nothing to brag about. 5 nights left to secure a favorita.. - LB

Travelrr,

Thanks so much for the link.

Leo

Yup, this Help disco looks like a groovy place to hang out. Lots of chicas, mulatas, and from the looks of it, bi-sexual ladies. Two chicas to a guy. Brothas's with some fine bootey. This is definiitely the place for a Leo.

Big; Just exercise some caution when you take one of these Help garotas back to your apartment, and if you take two make sure you lockup anything of value, along with the key to the apartment door in the safe.

RG.

Bigleo, I think this is your first trip here, so be sure to read BwanaDiks Rio Guide and also Brazil Specialist's Safe in Rio posts on this site. It's easy to get careless when, as you can see, the sights are so fine. You can get into all kinds of pleasure as well as all kinds of problems at Help.

Well i never thought this would happen.... The best looking garota in the house i see knocking dudes away left and right. A young lady with true blue eyes - a brunnette w/ lightened hair was there celebrating the birthday of one of her friends.. She had a ridiculous body and was not wearing a bra exposing nips thru the shirt for all to see. I spoke to her and she said she doesnt work here. I also asked if she had an amigo coming.. Neither was the case... She looked the part of a program girl but apparently wasnt. What a shame. I then focused my sites on Ondrea?? (thought her name was Shuma or something). The former college girl that you can see in one of Mike in Brazil's website.. She looked so good i had to do another round. Much to my chagrin she was average as usual. Talent level in Help a bit low - Termas seem the place to go.

Observation-and this is JMHO;

If you are coming to Rio in the near future, me thinks you are going to be in for a pleasant surprise;

1st-The weather has been absolutely gorgeous the past week. Low to mid 80s during the day, mid 70s at night (and these people are freezing);

Beaches have been loaded with locals on these bright sunny days but....very few tourist;

Sitting at Alcazar with a guy the other day that told me he went into Help and there was a ton of women but very few guys.....and the women were negtiating down on prices. He said he paid R$100 for TLN????

It is the low season and not many people here but the girls still gotta make rent and buy food.

Law of supply and demand in full swing in our favor.....If the number of phone calls I am getting daily from girls is any indication, some are getting desperate....!

Sandman,

You couldnt be more right on the numbers at Help. I wouldnt even want to guess what the ratio is. During heavier season you have to make a move on a girl pretty fast or you'll end up losing her to the next guy. These past few nights you can meet a girl at 12:00 and she is still there trying to grab ur attention at 3am. unfortunately my negiotiating skills arent as good as your friend's

I'll be there in 6 days, hope the trend keeps up:-)

Travelerss, Evil Twin, Diversity, Bwana Dik and I and a few other guys (and a lot of garotas) were all amazed last week at how empty the place has been. The back bar and balcony were closed and even so the main area was never close to full. I thought the quality was quite good, but not sure about prices. All in all, not a bad time.

I checked into the Marriott for my last night in town on Saturday, and the weather over the weekend was incredible - around 80 as a high, into the 60's at night, low humidity, bright sun. To bad you lose the light on the beach after 3:00 PM or so, and yeah, every Brasilian is running around cold, but it was great for me.

Over thurs/fri the ratio normalized a bit.. When i went on off night (Sunday, Monday, Tues), Sandman was absolutely correct the guy girl ratio was tremendous. Lets call it 3 to 1 on girls i'd want to be with and 6 to 1 total ratio. It gave me an opportunity to spot a few that i liked and to wait it out a bit. My only complaint was a lack of superstars.. The termas can take care of that problem however - LB

Well, I had to see for myself and agreed to join a couple of buddies for an evening at Help. I rarely go anymore and when I do it is usually just to dance.
Sunday night was the lightest crowd I think I have ever seen in Help. Probably 2/3:1 garotas to guys. Usual mix of lookers and scags but they were all hungry as hell and looking for customers. I wound up dancing with 5-6 known lovelies (all at once on occasion)and left early. Crowd outside at Terraco was also way down. Must just be the low season time of the year.....but the girls are still here and the weather has been stunning.

This is a great time of year to be in Rio. The weather is great, there are fewer tourists, and the prices are lower. I even got a free TLN from Help one night. I only hope I can get down there again late July/August.

Any sign of the Angles yet?

We were talking about Help tonight during the Taylor/Hopkins fight, how big is this place? How many girls are there on an average weekend/weekday night? I get the impression there are 200-300 girls there a night? Is that in the neighborhood? Hooker beach? how many working girls on the beach on the average afternoon? 50? 100? 500? The beach looks huge.

What are the high seasons for Rio?

Just a guess: I'm thinking January, February and March, and April would by busy; June, July and August would be dead; November and early December might be busy too. Am I close?

Bluelight,

I would say that on a busy night, inside Help, easily 300 but probably another couple hundred. Even on a slow night there will be 150-200. That would include the back bar and patio area. Throw in another hundred or so who just hang out at Terraco Atlantico, and on a slow night you've got 175-200 garotas combined, inside and out. On a busy night, I would say maybe 550 total. Keep in mind though, when we say a slow night, it's not just the numbers that are down but the quality as well. There are always a few dozen at TA that you really have to scratch your head and try and figure out how they ever pull a program. Much less so inside, but you still get a fair number of mingers inside as well.

As far as the beach goes, the official Copa hooker beach area is fairly small - Copacabana beach, from the rocks at Leme to the Fort area, is around 3 miles and hooker beach is all of 150-200 yards at most. The rest of the beach is mostly non-GP, but GPs can be at any of the small refreshment stands along the way on the sidewalk on Atlantico, at least starting at Lido and going south (the majority of Atlantico). If your intent is to grab a beach garota, on the sand at hooker beach is the spot, and you can pick the obvious ones from the drink stands. My point here is that it's a free-fire zone on hooker beach - I would think finding a non-GP there is unlikely, but at the drink stands, they are not necessarily GPs. However, within a few seconds of sitting down or even slowing down while walking, you should be able to tell who's working and who isn't.

i thought that ta had a pretty good selection of women last night, things are definitely better than the last time i was there a couple weeks ago. i didn't go inside of help but i saw a couple stunners go in.

In addition to my question about high and low seasons, does anyone have an estimate on how many working girls there are in Rio? Or at least in Copacabana. There are supposedly 100,000 hookers in Pattaya (or maybe that's a comination of BKK and Pattaya). How many could there be in Rio? I don't think there can be more than 10,000. But I don't know the stats.

99strong - I don't know the answer to your question but I only need a few hundred (good looking blondes) and I'll be a happy camper.

GCL and I were walking around one day and we estimated that, on a slow day in the down season, counting all classes of GP and the part timers and everything, there are probably more than 10,000 and closer to 20,000. During Carnival, New Years and the high summer season, double that number. Remember, the Help/beach/Copa scene is a small part of the overall options. There are tons of agencies, apartments, small termas, independents, massage shops, street walkers. It's a huge number.

Hello CLub Hombre Fam. This is my first message and about to go to Rio for the first time this Monday 8-29-05 for a week. I've been reading as many messages as I could. I'm going with 6 other guys that went last year, so I guess its better for me, since they have a bit more knowledge of the entertainment. Question: Are the women truly all for taking photographs, or is it another bargaining and money skill to have them take photos one back to the room?