I'm also staying at the Luxor Regente on Atlantico Ave in Copacabana (on beach). Does anyone have knowledge of this hotel, and if so, how is it?

Blackpapi - Regarding the photos of the girls it is strictly up to them. Many are afraid of their photos going on the Internet because of family/friends/boyfriends/husbands etc. Some of the Terma girls will allow you to photograph and others will not. Just make sure your camera is small enough to fit in the robe and ask quietly before you go to the cabini. I've passed the Luxor many times and it appears ok right on the beach but I have no personal experience but I'm sure you will get comments from others who have stayed there. Have a good time in Rio as I'm sure you will. The weather has been beautiful here and the women wonderful. - Hemp

Thanks Hemp, I appreciate the feedback. I'm very anxious, been wanting this trip for the past 6 or 7 years. 33 years old and recently divorced, and ready to spread my wings a little if you know what I mean!!

Hey Blackpapi! About taking pictures, what worked for me was having a little mask for the ladies to wear so they can hide their faces. You know one of those Kato mask or something. If you look at my pics (just go to the Multimedia section and search for pics by photographers/names, look for my name) you'll see some of the ladies I took pictures of were wearing a little mask. Some of the girls I have met from agencies, clubs, etc don't want to have their pics taken. But they don't mind pretty much if they are allowed to hide their faces. Some girls love having their pics taken. Especially girls from Karlas Models/Scort Show. Also most Help girls are cool about as well. Mainly programma girls I have met on travels to Rio make a stink about taking pics. I'd advise to stay away from them.

Have a great trip! I'll be there myself in the middle of next month. Make sure you post some of your pics on this site.

C20

Blackpapi; You should have no trouble with the Luxor. They will hit you with a "guest" fee for overnight stays, but most of the hotels in Rio do this anyway.

Before you close the deal with a girl make sure you talk about taking photos some will do cloths only others more. Make it part of your deal. Most of the girls that you get at Help will hold up there end of the deal.

Just remember to listen to that little voice in the back of your head. If something does not seem right, just walk away. There are ton's of girls to be had in Rio.

I guess that this is your first trip, if so you may want to use a guide or hook-up with some fellow travelers.

RG.

Was at Help on Thursday night. It felt like 3 women for every 1 guy.. The place was half full. The Sao Paulo girls i was with all complained how bad it is now (good for us) and that it's only worthwhile for them to come during January.

For all you true vets out there, do any of you have an opinion on whether Rio is in some downward spiral, or are these perception like Lucky's reporting just random observations? I was last in Rio over 4th of July week, and all the girls said it was a historically bad time (many GDPs don't work for the month). I've always noticed that some days are great and others seem to be dead, and it doesn't make any sense. Hope these are just fluke reportings.

Help specifically and Copacabana in general has just been completely overwhelmed by favala rat hookers. IMHO, it was much better a couple of years back. More students back then, far fewer hardened pros. I was in Help only once this week and was not impressed. It's hard to describe unless you were around a few years ago, but the entire atmosphere is different now. Termas are the same, except for the death spiral that Luomo has been in for a year. This trip is the first time in 10 that I haven't been to Luomo, and I won't be going tomorrow on my last day.

The clientel is also a bit different now, as has been reported constantly on this site. Too many Snoop Dog wannabes, to many jackasses in general.

Basically, a lot of "I'm the shit" gringos and hard as nails putas are now the majority of the Help/Atlantico scene. Not an appealing combination.

Well Said Cat... Every 25 year old gringo (i'm an american) is feeling his roots by buying champaign and living it up (frankly it's the same scene you would get in Vegas or a NYC club). The 25 year olds want to party till 5am and at that time R $150 is the price. I also believe the strengthening of the Real has hurt tourism but that is a no-brainer.

Lucky for you guys, Rio is a big place, there are so many other things to see and do. Snoopdog wannabes shouldnt be a problem at all,

Well said, Lucky.

Thumper,

You seem to take issue any time one writes about the young "player" that comes to Rio and lives it up a little (i am not trying to egg on a battle). I have no problem with anyone who wants to spend his hard earned money any way they choose. This trip I was, however, annoyed by a young crew of white kids drunk and stumbling - screaming at the top of their lungs -being jerks to the women in Help. Being "cool" is universal. It doesn't matter what one's background is. What i find most amusing is the gangster game they use in Help - Dont they know its P4P in there? You dont need game. - LB

Ummmmmm, Lucky... Did you happen to read what I wrote before you responded to me? I didnt take issue with anything you or Catocony said, if anything, I tried to offer you solace in the fact there are so many other p4p venues for you to patron, that you dont have to worry about running into these "gangstas" at Help.

My apologies thumper. It read a different way to me. - Lucky

True, people can spend their money how they want, but it does affect you and ME.

For example, let's say you live in some town, and your favorite thing to do is go to the bowling alley. Sure, there are other places to go, but this is your thing. And now, let's say 1/2 the population starts going there and with nothing but 100-dollar-bills... and they never want change, they just pay for everything with these C-notes and leave the change. So all the employees change their attitudes, all the prices to up, and your place is different and you no longer have the ability to enjoy something you used to love.

The Help of a few years ago (and before that I hear) was quite a special place... maybe the best night spot in the country for those that liked it. But, it's not the same anymore.

So, these idiots can spend what they want, where they want, but I don't have to like it - I don't, and it does affect ME and you.

My original question was about the current "quality" of the GDPs. Even though I have strong opinions of how hombres should be acting in Help or anywhere else, that doens't mean anything unless it has a negative effect of the quality of women who come to make money in Help or any termas. If anything, asshole Gringos who thwor money around should drive UP quality. So while points are being made about the overall experience of Rio these days, where is the correlation to quality of GDPs?

My senses tell me that, after 7 trips to Rio, quality seems way down since my 1st tip in '02. I still hope it's just a fluke, but it seems so many garotas I know (or know about) are heading to Europe or just not working.

This post was more about the attitude of "us" gringos and foreigners when hanging out at Help. Frankly those who pay more than mkt rates probably keep the talent pool that much higher. As of this week there was no problem getting hot ladies out of Help for R $200-300.. I think that is reasonable.

Maverik,

Now that I have been to Rio numerous times I think that my standards have risen considerably. My opinion differs from many; I don’t really think the overall quality has gone down, just that I judge differently. There are definitely seasonal fluctuations and July is going to be a low time in Rio and particularly in a place like Help that is all freelancers. Many girls come to Rio seasonally; they come for fun in the sun combined with the ability to earn money. These girls arrive in December and leave sometime after Carnival. The Cariocas will always be there, but they also may not being going to Help as much during times when not as many tourists are in town.

The girls have always gone to Europe. I know more girls that go to Europe now because I know more girls now.

I've never paid more than 200R for a chick from Help (or TA). I don't speak Portuguese and I don't have considerable "game" and I'll only fuck the real stunners. Does anyone these days understand the concept that the girl's "asking price" is not necessarily the price one has to pay? I trade for a living and I'd be insanely wealthy if all my counterparties had the same transaction-savvy as some posters here.

The Euro has weakened more against that Real than even the dollar, but there are still quite a few girls in Europe. However, that does not address the main issue for me, which is attitude. We can all argue on the looks scale. I just got back from my 9th trip this morning, and I know that my threshold for what constitutes a hottie has gone way up from my first couple of trips. But, my (and probably a lot of guys') opinion on what constitutes a good attitude has not changed that much.

As those of you who have met me know, I monger truly Brasilian-style. I have a GF who lives with me when I'm in town, and so my mongering is almost strictly termas at this point. I'll still go TA/Help and am fully prepared, if a proper unit is found, to head off to love hotel. However, I haven't been seriously tempted at TA/Help in almost a year.

The attitudes in the termas is as good as ever, IMHO. I spent a lot of time in Centro the past 8 days, and made a few runs to Solarium, a first for me. While I think there are far too many gringos at Solarium, I did like the vibe from the girls there. I had one really good session and one average Rio session and was satisfied. My two 4x4 runs were very good, even the one where the garota I was with spent the last 10 minutes crying. I had one good run at Monte Carlo, although I continue to just not like the place. Too touristy.

I made 3 runs to that other place with SweetMesquite, and had a blast all three times. At this joint, whether on orders or management or just because the garotas are always cool, newbie GdPs (or at least new to termas) seem to hitch up with one of the top veteran garotas to learn the ropes. I have seen this on many occasions over the last couple of years, and think it's a great way of doing business. Attitude is key - piranhas are to be avoided, and the "mentor GdPs" do a great job of stressing this to the new girls.

I ve been going to Rio for over 3 years and definately notice a difference in attidude from 2002 and early 2003.Epecially at Help.I don't want to blame the so called "ganstas",because I think it's more than just that.Fortunately enough fresh fish arrive to offset the piranhas there at times.All u need is one good star to stand out in a trip and make it memorable.

Elgrancombo,

Girl pricing: Are you getting these women for all-nighters or quickies? Is it at 4am or 1am? My experience is any girl who quotes R $300 at 12am is going to quote R $200 at 4am. The spinners i have found at 12pm with my best salespitch are not going to do an all-nighter for R $200 and frankly i am not sure of many who have gotten that price. So if you are getting a better price than that all the more to you. I have trip buddies that hang around Help to 4am, get sauced and then take home what appears to be a hottie for a quickie for less than R $200 as well.

If I go to HELP and intend to take something home I try and leave by 1:00am at the latest so I can have a great night of sex. While many will ask $300 or much more I feel you can score very nicely in the $250/$300 range + a little taxi money the next day. Why get into a big haggling match with them for just a few dollars and damper the mood. In my opinion I just tell them the amount and if they start haggling just walk away and look for the next one you like. The majority will be sleeping late anyway but you can always get off a good POP in the morning also. If I am there to 4:00 in the morning there is no way I want to take anything home anyway. All I want is my pillow and a good night sleep. Just my thoughts and opinion. - Hemp

my two cents on help.... no matter what time of year it is...it is always a carnival at help...

gdp's who wanted $400r several months ago, now are ok with 250r. it is a buyers market, keep it that way.

i have never done a double...but when the opportunity struck with two beautiful blondes...yes hemp blondes.....and at a reasonable price...i took advantage of the opportunity. talk about comparison shopping...

i did enjoy sneaking over to solarium while my gf was taking a nap at the apartment. and when i walked back into the apartment...what does she want to do???? and they enjoy looking at the condom to see how full it is.......i need better vitamins...

when i grow up, i want to be just like hemp...class act.



(Message edited by diversity on September 06, 2005)

Well I have only been to Rio three times. One time this year and twice last year. On every trip I went to Help almost everynight. So I would say I have been there just over 20 times. Only 2 of the 20 times there I had a problem with meeting someone because of the prices or I just didn't see someone I liked. But never did I leave there without some type of strange. One night there last October, I met this hottie. Nice body, great tan, big boohs and a big BUTT. Most of the time when I met someone at Help, I picked them out then go up and start a conversation with them and after a couple of drinks, I'd take them home. With this hottie she picked me out. She just got in front of me, asked my name, told me hers and then it was on. She said the price would be 300R. Before I could tell her that's a bit much she told me somethings that changed my mind about the price. She pretty much told me that she was very freaky. That I could fuck her now, a hour after that, a hour after that, again in the morning, as many times as I wanted. After hearing that, I left with her and she did whatever I wanted. After our session, she told how all the girls at Help were asking for 300R that time of the year, but fortunately for me she was wrong. Because the next few nights I went to Help, I only kicked out just 200R for allnighters. I did meet another super hottie. She had asked for 400R, but I talked her down to 300R. I later found out she was one of those programa girls. It was funny how when she told me her price and I kept telling her that was too much, she would leave to talk to someone about the price, then give me a slightly lower price. Then after we agreed on 300R, I had to bargain with her about what time she was going to leave in the morning. We worked that out and before we left Help I told her I was going to bathroom. Low and behold, when I came out of the bathroom, she waiting for me as if I was going to try to make a run for it or something. But when we got back to my pad, she made it all worth while.

I just realized in the end, that there is always enough ladies at Help that are going to give you a reasonable price. So if one of them is tripping for a huge payoff, just tell them "See Ya!" and just find someone else. Works for me.

C20

Lucky -- both quickies and all-nighters and anything in between. Maybe prices have gone up in the 8 months since I've been there, but last time at Help I took what I thought was the hottest girl there for 150R for all night. She stayed til mid-afternoon and did everything I wanted with a huge smile on her face. Now I'm no Adonis and I'm not a great negotiator. But, the one thing I know is that if a chick asks for X reals, she is generally willing to accept .5X reals. Some guys may not care. They've got plenty of money and they don't want to "ruin the mood" by bargaining. I'm not poor, but I feel it's a matter of self-respect that I not overpay. And I've never experienced a bad attitude from my quite minimal "bargaining."

My guess is if you accept close to what she asks, you're likely to have a worse experience, as she'll think you're a sucker.

Was at Help last night and man was it packed. Probably 3-1 ratio girls to guys. BUT, the ladies were trippin with the prices. Asking for 300R for a short allnighter. It was my first night in town and I didn`t go for that. So I talked my choice down to 220R.

Great exchange rate at Help. Gave a 100US and received back 225 and admission to the club. So I`ll be bringing a hundred everynight to Help.

Negotiations 101 - If the chick asks for 300R, she's generally quite willing to accept 150R or less.

Elgrancombo, you are right on the money. I've had girls tell me that they will start off asking for 3-400R (Worth a shot, might as well try)but they know the guy is going to haggle them down to 150-200R.

I keep reading this entire BS about Help, and it’s mostly from guys who live in Rio and make money of American tourists.

Truth is Help has a pecking order from the hard core group of light skinned girls who 95% of the time want and get no less than 250 and typically more than 300. From the top 25%, there are the darker attractive girls who get from 200 to 250 and some scummy girls who can barely afford the 30 or 20 to get in who will take 150. After this hard core group of “regulars”, throw in the few (less than 10% in low season and no more than 25% in high season) new girls, who by the way if you speak the darn language you’ll see they’re not new to the program but typically new to Rio and/or Help, and you round up or down the list depending on your view point.

Remember new girls need to find their price point where they will get johns around 75% of the time so you can get a deal from them more often, if getting 50 to 100 Reals off for a shortened session is your thing.

Remember all tourists don’t live in Rio and Girls like throwing freebies or discounted sex to guys that live there who refer clients to them, or idiot tourists they can scam for more money from stories about having their baby to a grandmother in the hospital so they have more bargaining power.

It is true they will accept less money after being on their feet for two hours, at 2 to 3 AM and a bargain can be found.

Tip: check out the back of the food vans near Help at and after 3:30 AM. There you will find girls who have place to sleep, already scored once and will discount or have had no luck for the evening. If this is your thing, a 50 to 100 REAL discount then at these vans is where you can find the 100 to 150 REAL bottom 50% hanging after 3:00 AM.

I know almost ever girl in Help and not one over a 6 will take less than 200 at any time from a tourist. Many blonds will not take under 250 at the end of the night and ask for cab fare for a total of 270. If we're talking black chicks, it's a different story.

Post a name of any of the 50 or so hotties in Help and tell me who takes less than 250.

I know these guys and they have no idea what they're talking about!

300 from the top 25% in Help for a sleep over is normal, 200 for two hours and matbe 150 for just a quickie.

Tell the truth guys!

And by the way Cold is closer to the truth on actual prices at Help. 300 normal for an all nighet, as many times with a 10:00 toi 12:00 AM departure.

200 for a wham bam I gota go. . . and 150 for a nooner or PM deed typically off the beach.

It's been that way for as long as I can remember, but we all have our regulars and that's a different and often ugly story.

Roblaw,
All I can offer is my own experience and I'm not lying, and I don't think Thumper, et al are either. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but all I ask my fellow mongers to do is recognize that the her asking price is not what she's willing (and happy) to get. Of course, if you don't care about the money, it doesn't matter.

Again, I know just about every regular girl in Help. So I'm not sure who you are talking about. Remember it's 20 to get in for the cheap girls, 30 for the high-end and they always spend a few REALS on drinks. I

Sure even the tramps ask for 300, but they're tramps you can get for 150 anywhere. On the other hand, even trying to get a street walker in front of BARB for less than 200 is hard, and I speak Port.

It's a myth hyped by the guys who live in Rio to the tourists here to try to keep them from paying 350 and bringing inflation into the market.

These guys get freebies all night long for bringing tourists 4 x 4's way and Solarium too. The Copa clubs give them nothing which is why they never hype Cent or Monte, even though Monte and Sol are ownder by the same people.

As my friend who lives in Rio says, "my name," I live here and can wait until she's ready to blank me for 100 (slow night, late night or any number of reasons) you're only here for 40 days (a joke) so if you like her go for it.

I don't need nor make a dime off touists . . . . I could care les if I pay a girl 200 or 300 . . . like I'm going to sweat the $15 to $30 after paying a $1,000 airfare?

I'm sure I can get some (not all!) of the girls I like for 200 REALS for the night.

P.S. there are girls for free if you speak the language bu you have to have a phone, and work on them for days . . . kiss them the first date for sure and maybe more. But it's still work!

Help girls are normally "hard core" pros . . . . think of yourself as the hamburger on the McDonaald's sign 10 billion served and you're heading in the right direction . . . then enjoy youself.

And if you're in Rio for a week and pay these girls 50 extra for seven days thats $150 US . . . . is it really that important?

and it depends on the girl . . . ask the hot blond in front of the bar to the left whe you walk in and the one with the long blond hair who sits in front of the bar and the tiny blond and the group of brunetes (they're sisters) or Karina or Simone or the girls that flee Barb or Cent at 1:30 if they will take less than 300. I can name about 20 more but after that we're talking large booty black chicks, dirty girls or some real scary material that WILL try to get 300 then acept 200 or a little less for the evening.

You just have to know you're stuff . . . again 25% of the girls expect 300 . . . the next 50% expect at least 200 the bottom 25% which I would never have sex with may take less than 150 but I've never really talked much to them.

I'm typically, like the non Italian Europeans, interested in the top 25% in any sex shop or help.

There you go again, RL. You just can't stop yourself! If the few Portuguese lessons you've given on the board are any indication, you do NOT speak Portuguese. Half of what you say is on target and half is complete BS, and you don't know the difference.

RL: I stopped chiming in on this subject long ago, but what the hell- I'll do it one last time.

I completely agree with you (at the risk of the 'vets' and 'legends' calling me an idiot too). I've operated in Help probably 40 nights over the past 3 years-- I'm no legend but no newbie either. I too, have zero desire in anything but the top tier, fair-skinned, well primped GDPs, and they've never, ever, bit at my inclinations to go below the general pricing you quote. Now everyone will say I'm a moron and they get "the best" Help girls for 150 at the end of the night. Well, I simply don't believe it anymore. I do believe, however, that they think the girls are "the best" ones, and that may explain the descrepency.

I won't say any particular person is lying, but I've sent enough friends to Rio and they reported back the same thing you're saying. And again, I'm only talking about the creme-of-the-crop girls. That exludes almost every black girl, and all the girls simply dressed in jeans and a sexy top. I'm talking about the girls who put alot of money and effort into getting "all dolled up." To me, that's about 10% of the girls in Help; I've never paid any attention to the other 90%--so maybe everyone's right.

Help has become such a buyers market that I do not see why people get so crazy about pricing. Its only a few tourists that get taken - and in my opinion good for the girls. They need it more than the tourist and the tourist is probably satisfied as well.

Just because a girl might ask me for 500R, doesnt mean she wont leave with the next guy for 100R. Prices are not set in stone, it all depends on the situation.

Ericka (Very Tall, beautifull morena who occupies the first table at the top of the stairs, with the Johnny walker bottle on her table) will only leave for $200 US a night.

However, she will go home with my buddy for 150R a night. Why? Because she really likes him and she would rather go home with him for little money, than someone else for 500R.

(Message edited by Thumper on September 19, 2005)

There are exceptions to the rules and in your buddies case he knows her and she enjoys his company. For the monger that is in for a long weekend he doesnt have that luxury and will have to pay the market rate(never tested her out myself). I think we can all agree that one should not take the first price she quotes and we should all try to get a fair price. Lastly - why is everyone upset about inflated prices if you still end up getting the hottest girl in the joint for R $150-200 for an all-nighter?

Question for everyone arguing about prices at Help - When one walks into Help, there is always a group of beautiful, young, thin, white/olive-skinned garotas standing at the top of the stair and as you walk to the left heading towards the small drink ticket booth on the back wall. They also can be found sitting at the tables just before the small drink ticket booth.

What kind of prices can you get from them?

RL,
Ponder this - you say you know these girls and they tell you what they charge - do you really think they're going to be honest with you? Of course not - they're going to tell you they command top price (cause they're the hottest). They certainly won't admit they only charged 150R to some guy - how insulting!

Nothing personal, but I believe your prices are WAY off.

BTW, I'll be back in Rio Thanksgiving Week, and if you'd like I'll hit Help with you and we can do a field study.

Safado:

By the way safado has many meanings. Are you the good, bad or ugly safado? You are wrong about Help and my skills in communication in Portuguese, and I’ll bet you, you make money off of American tourists which dents you credibility. As I said in private, try Orkut for meeting real Brazilian women. It’s a hot site and every girl in Rio I think is on it!

Maverick:

Thanks for confirming my truthful post. I agree with you on a bad night in Help there are no more than 10% that are hot and they’re all regulars, which means they know me and my likes and dislikes and maybe I’ve chosen another girl over them at some time in the past. None of these top ten percent leave for less than 250 to a stranger, maybe 200 if you’re repeat business and they like you and you spend money on them elsewhere. Typically, these girls expect 300 or more from first timers because of the stress of going to a strange place; they’re not sure if it’s safe; and they know someone like me is known so the risk is reduced.

What you said about the effort to get ready hit the nail on the head! I am still surprised at the differences between some girls. Few will spend hours at the hair dresser every day; change their appearance with hair extensions; nails, skin treatments and any number of enhancements to compete with other girls. MOST girls barely take a shower; use the same sent every night from a cheap perfume they bought off the street in Copa and call themselves “Lava Nova,” which means after a shower they are virgins again. I use this Lava Nova here about me and no one knows what the heck I’m talking about, and it’s fun.

Back to Help. The girls that do more than a quick shower, wear the same dirty levis they wore for a week, and try to look, smell and be attractive want 300 REALS, no less from strangers. On a repeat maybe 250, unless they really like being with you then it get complicated and I’ve learned more expensive in the long run; plus you have all these jealousy issues and she tells all the girls in Help you are her property.

I exclude black girls too because they will accept anything from time to time, like to party and truth be told you never know who and where they’ve been. One black girl I know has worked Help for 8 years. Yes, 8 freaking years! She’s 28; looks 23 and I’ll bet been with over 5,000 men. Now that’s scary! She’ll do you for 200, sometimes 150 and if you listen to her talk for three hours, maybe even less if you buy her something. She’s dirty, horrible, nice then horrible, and typical of the many black chicks in Copa.

Lucky:

This time of year it is a buyers market. I talk a few times every week to guys who make money off tourists in Rio. They tell me it’s dead, been raining cats ad dogs the last few weeks, and don’t even bother going now because the talent hasn’t changed at all in two months. Now if you have a regular you like hanging with like some guys then NP it’s just as fun as always, maybe even better. And if you can communicate, the same locals are still living in Rio as last month. But as far as it being a buyers market, you’re wrong.
These girls live there. When you leave, they are still fucking to make ends meet. They know the other girls, the men, the comp, and everything about Rio you haven’t even a clue about.

The funny thing is if a foreign person came to America and thought he knew how things work here after a week or month you would think he’s an idiot. Same is true in Rio, after months of actually being there I’m still learning and one thing I know is I am a Gringo and will always be a Gringo no mater how much time I spend there.

It’s a seller’s market in Help because they know the game far better than you!

Thumper:

I’ve only met one girl asking for over 400 and her name was Linda (not real because you know what it means in Portuguese) and she took 300 for the worst session I even had out of Help, which almost led to a call to the police by both of us! No girl asks for 500, except if it is New Years and/or Carnival. Carnival is whole different ball game because some girls who normally get one guy a day want five guys from 300 to 500 for an hour or two. Many girls double up prices to 600 for the day and some try to get 1,000 for the day and get it! High or low season, I’ve never been asked to pay 500, but 400 maybe 10 times or more. All the 400s want 300 and get it. They represent the top 5% of all Help and Rio girls and they know it. I did have this fat chick who claimed she worked in Cent ask for 300 for a short session and then 200 for a blow job. I laughed and then she said she was serious. I told her 300 for the entire night but I thought she was fat not very beautiful and not my type in Port and then she took out me member and licked it for free before I went into the elevator.

Homer;

Yes the girls on the left as you walk in are always there. A few blonds, hot bodies and they are all friends. They are a very interesting bunch who commands the top location in Help. The private tables in Help aren’t not that much money; six bears or that cheap Champaign and a 10% added tip which is included for service; and they seem to be there more times than not. I know a few things about them. Typically they are with older, Europeans. They either have regulars or work for a service from time to time because they take phone calls and leave Help from time to time. They seem to work in a group but in low season will split up. They all asked for 400 and will accept 300 if they know you! They are local and speak with a Rio accent, but they look like they’re from the South as they have very light skin. Truth is I never took a session with them but the guys do come back for days at a time which is a good sign. Remember if the girls have a different guy every night, there is a reason for this. It is typically because they are difficult. If you see them with the same guys for a few days, it means they get along and typically never say no.

WHICH LEADS ME TO ME GOLDEN RULE FOR RIO:


“If you hear the word NO more than three times, leave the girl alone and move on. She’s going to be a problem!”

This is my golden rule because a good working girl in Rio knows what she has to do to earn a living and is programmed to give you a fantasy. This means she knows to say yes, yes, yes to everything you want.

More later

P.S.

The girls tend to stay in their location and work the same areas of Help every night. From time to time they switch sides, or hand out by the entrance late at night trying to land a fish as he's leaving.

This is typically why it's so easy inside Help, because the girls are in the same darn location every night!

The top locations are the tables to the left and right as you walk in; the front of the bar on the left after you walk in; the tables to the right and in front of the bar to the right. Black chicks hand by the back, near the bathrooms and behind the bar on the left. Lower class gilrs are by the stage; and in the dark areas for a reason.

The best places to scope the girls out os upstairs on the far left ro right. This is the bar-owners lookout spot. From the corner you can see everygirl in Help but it makes no difference in low season becuase the girls stay the same for months.

RL,

Shut up already!

RL,

Thanks for the helpful tips on "safado." I had no idea there might various, nuanced meanings Which am I? Depends on the day. Some days I'm safadinho, others safadão, and still others I'm bem safado. You figure it out.

As for my making money off American tourists, WTF? Where did that come from? You've never met me. In fact, you could not be further from the truth.

And what's your problem with Black garotas? You speak as though they are clones of one another. You seem to be unable to grasp the fact that garotas are complex, Rio is complex and the world is complex. You simplify and stereotype everything, but you especially seem to enjoy stereotyping Black garotas. You say "they will accept anything from time to time," and that "truth be told you never know who and where they've been." Those statements could be made about most of the Help garotas, not just the Black ones, and would be wrong in about 50% of the cases.. And so what if you know of a Black garota whose worked at Help for 8 years. I know a blonde Paulista who's worked there for 8 years as well (Cristina, who is a real sweetheart). A lot of CH guys have had great experiences with Black garotas from Help, myself included. You go on to say "She’s dirty, horrible, nice then horrible, and typical of the many black chicks in Copa."

Dude, take your stereotypes, shove them up your ass, and keep them to yourself, PLEASE!!!

Safado69,

RL could be right about Black garotas when he said,"they will accept anything from time to time." MBL is a perfect example-- she now has me.
Obviously, she's not too picky.

BTW, are you coming to the Wedding? Reverend Hemp is peforming the ceremony at Help on 10/23/05. Get there early so you can save R$10.

Jag

I might come if you throw in a couple of drink tickets. But, well, I don't know. All those Black garotas. They scare me! Especially MBL!

I can remember rb first trip to Rio and it wasn't THAT long ago. Somehow he became a expert on help after one trip and damn near fluent in Portuguese. Whatever!
I've spent probably around 80-100 nights in Help and never have been quoted 400R but then again I never negotiate unless they bring it up. I always pay them the next day 200-300R but never more. I've been giving them the same amount for 5 years now.What inflation?? Christ, I almost pay the same amount now in BKK that I did when I was 18 yrs old in 1980 but that's a different story. It depends on their performance. I've never had one steal or have to throw her out of my apartment either. My biggest problem is usually getting rid of them.
What is my gameplan? I always get a table outside of help right @ the entrance and watch every girl go inside. I occasionally interview right in line and invite them back to my table for a drink. I never go in before 12:30 and usually have targeted 5-10 hotties that I will approach once inside.

I've picked them up everywhere inside.....Left bar,right bar,back bar,dance floor etc. There is no certain location that has all the hotties. Actually, the reserved tables probably do have most of the hard core regulars. Some of them might be cute but that's not what I'm looking for at all. I'm looking for the girls from out of town (college students,vacationers etc) You usually don't find them @ the reserved tables. My preference is light skinned (loiras,morenas) I always find them but I also look harder than most mongers.
My biggest peice of advice is have fun and show the girl a good time and take the business transaction out of the process. They really do get sick of hearing how much for tln,do you do bbbj etc etc. I get all that and don't have to ask. I've never learned much of the language and early 40's but know the game and know how to have fun. I'm in no hurry when I find one.....we dance,drink maybe go outside and have something to eat @ 2am and party with other mongers or whatever. Then maybe back to my nice apartment (no shithole) and dance and unwind with a few drinks and then a session. Some of you guys try to negotiate, leave help 5 minutes later and are in the sack within 30 minutes. Is it a big surprise I see YOUR girl back in Help an hour later? Why the big rush to leave? Go to a termas from 6pm-10pm so you're not so damn horny. It's simple.....rent a nice apartment,dance,drink,be nice and act like a man!! Pay them 200-300R the next day.JMHO

What a glorious day for my friend Jaguar. Reverend Hemp is truly honored to perform the ceremony, Felix Best Man, possibly Don with his Cigar in the wedding party I hope. All the Solarium, Centaurus, Luomo and Monte Carlo girls there. Since this is a Sunday wedding I've got friends working the Centro Termas to invite those girls also. Question Jag - Does the Reverend Hemp have to be on his best behavior that night? I only party and get our maybe once or twice a year at most so I need a good night out OK? - (I'm also going to have my White Collar on for the ceremony).