Sweet will be in charge of bringing the wine, I assume.

No, Sweet will be in charge of drinking the wine.

U2:

Your post is very good, and I've only spent 100 days in Rio. Let's be honest, after May there are few of these part timmers in Help. In general from late December to May, girls come from every part of Brazil to make a few bucks in Rio. As far as that mythical part timmer, you're better off looking on the weekends because the hard core girls work Help five to six nights a week and typically take Monday or Tuesday off.

By the way, everyone wants that part timer, but it almost doesn't exist. There is new tallent from time to time but it's typically from SP or the North where the girls off course worked. These girls have sex for money, food or things from the time they're too young to mention here with Brazilains.

If you know the language, a girl at a bar in Ip can be a part timmer, but it's work! All girls in Rio are "shades of grey." Most girls want something from you. You're an American danm it, and all Americans are rich!

The last is my joke with girls. They think all americans are created equal. Try telling them you're from the South and ask if it is different if you're from New York or Los Angeles. Odds are she'll just think of you as "An American" and the other guy as "An Italian."

There's a good side to this . . . it's all about the REALS . . .

I know five girls that asked me for 400 with a straight face. She takes 250 from a regular but then leaves for Help after. One girl actually asked me for $200 US. I know now she was a part timmer who needed to learn the ropes, but I never saw her in Help again.

Back then I didn't speak much. Just got off the phone with one chick I talk to and in low season now with very few guys there she still said - the bitch said -

"if not you, there are always many guys in Rio who will take me home"

So if you think you have her by the short hairs, think again if she's a 7 or better she's off with another guy in less than an hour.

Then again she got a 10 minute speach in Port about how it's not the money because I can pay anything
I want, when and where I want it.

She didn't say much afterwards and about this time she's getting ready to work in Help.

HL does know a bit of what he is talking about - In the price discussion above, i asked about the girls on the left at the top of the stairs - they are always there - light skinned, a few blonds, hot bodies and all friends. It is easy to amke claims about prices in general, but let's focus claims on one easy to identify group of GDPs and you cannot miss them when you walk in.

HL said they ask for R400 and will take R300. That has been my experience - usually take R300 for TLN, with one or two taking R250 for TLN if you are repeating for a couple nights in a row IF they like you - a very big IF.

I agree that lower prices can be found with other GDPs in Help. But, for anyone who pays much less, I again ask - Does your pricing include the girls on the left at the top of the stairs?? By a western media definition of beauty, these gals would be in the top 5-10% of the Help crowd, right? I know I have paid much less when I decided to tap into the lower end of the Help market (and had some great sex experiences too - just didn't take their pics). Let us know. Thanx.

Look I am 40 years old, although I look like I am about 18, workout 4 times a week and am above average in looks. I have no problem picking up young hot girls in the US, yet I have decided to spend 100 days over the past 6 months in Brazil. In that time I have seen every part of Brazil and learned all there is to know about Brazilian culture. I have also become nearly fluent in Portuguese.

Due to all this knowledge I can expound on the pricing structure at Help. This knowledge validates my existence and so I will honor everyone at Club Hombre by sharing my vast command of the topic.

Help is a very complex place and what you all must understand is that Help is only for people such as me who have game. The shy people will never be able to handle the Help scene. Also, if you do not dress stylishly you will not have any luck there. If you are like me and dress well, then you will have luck at Help. I am the first person that came up with the idea of dancing with the girls and having some fun with them before you take them out. After this I have a great session that night and then again in the morning. I am pretty sure that I am the first person that ever had sex with a gdp in the morning.

The most important thing about Help is what the girls at the top of the stairs to the left will charge. I will continue to make this point because it is for some reason the most significant thing in the world. Here is my infinite wisdom…they will ask for $R300. You should also know that some girls might ask $R400 but they will usually accept $R300. Of course, if they have been with you and like you then they might take $R250. I will not point out that if I were not such a loser the girl would have just given me her number and I would not have to go back to Help to meet her. There are other girls at Help that will go for $R250 and even some that might go for $R150 - $R200.

I have come up with this trick of using a second pseudonym HomerCat so that I can agree with my other posts. Here I will again expound on the importance of the pricing of the girls on the left at the top of the stairs.

When I post later tonight I will tell you all about the fabled part timmer and the girls I just had conversations with, in Portuguese of course. Remember that I am fluent.

"Question for everyone arguing about prices at Help - When one walks into Help, there is always a group of beautiful, young, thin, white/olive-skinned garotas standing at the top of the stair and as you walk to the left heading towards the small drink ticket booth on the back wall. They also can be found sitting at the tables just before the small drink ticket booth." ---

Yea, those girls (or clones) have been there for 7 years. Help is still great. Prices have everything to do with how you act, how you negotiate and how the girl likes you.

Jag,
Who is giving the bride away? We could stream this event and make it a pay-per-view for all the Hombre's. The proceeds could cure all the girls families illnesses, etc. Heck, we will run it through a non-profit back here in the states, have the girls sign model releases and given that they would be working models in Brazil - we could probably get them short term working visas straight away. Then we could have a US tour of the wedding. We would need some creative names for the tour though...

Safadinho

P.S. - oh yea, I need your jacket size. I will be bringing the kevlar for your tuxedo vest if you don't go through with the wedding. Or make those gold buttons highly magnetic so they will stop anything metal hurling towards your coat. I have never met MBL (that I will acknowledge), but sounds like she might have a bit of a passive-dependant personality. Prone to small bursts of anger, which recede when she thinks she is going to be left.

Peace!

Knockkneedman-
Perfect...LMAO!
BD

Safadinho,

You're a fucking genius!! Why didn't I think of Pay-Per-View?

With my luck, Hemp and Felix have already signed a deal and cut MBL and me completely out of it. I can't trust anyone anymore.

BTW, you must know MBL because that's exactly how she acts. Fuck, now I can't trust you either.

Why is my life always in the toilet?

Jag

Jag who's the big mouth that told you about the PPV deal? If it was Felix "Fuck Felix". - Hemp

Hemp,

He can't keep a secret.

Jag

Hemp, It was not me!!! It was the light skin blond GP at the top of the stairs to the left before the little ticket booth in Help. I think she told RL when she was telling him everyone of the girls in Help's asking price. She should be Barred from the Wedding. I don't like Blonds. could it have been the Big Revernd's Little Revernd spouting off the top of his Head ?

Why does everyone say," FUCK YOU FELIX" ????

Why does everyone say," FUCK YOU FELIX" ????

Gentlemen,

Will someone out there teach Felix how to post. I would say, "Fuck you Felix," but apparently he posted one for me.

He so nervous about the upcomming wedding....

Jag

Okay, whatever guys. Just got tired of hearing claims that they could get ANY gal from Help for next to nothing - For those claiming this, I wanted to find out how you got one of the top shelf gals for rock bottom prices - still have not heard how (b/c I would love to pay much less for top shelf myself when back in Rio in Nov, if these claims were true).

For another group of garotas - the ones behind the bar on the left - area leading to the back bar (when it is open), those would go for R200 for TLN, maybe R150 if late and/or you got game.

So, I guess I would only ask that posters put claims of pricing in context with the different types of garotas in Help. I have.

Bwana dik, you wrote a great guide, relied on it my first trip to Rio several years ago. Knockneedman - don't know who you are and not sure I got flamed by you, but whatever. Will be in Rio in Nov if you want to hang - do speak pretty good portugese though

We all forget . . . (you too Jag because you helped me the first time I was in Rio alot when I was scared of my shawdow . . . remember when the first girl I had sex with in Rio, who I now know is favela trash, called me Saffado the next day in Help because I wanted to be with another girl.)

It's things like this that a guy who pays to read stuff about Rio wants to hear.

And that Asian guy who got burned the last day and then hit up for money. He thought it was free sex but it was just another shade of grey in Rio.

I know know the girls who hang at cafe Atalantica for the most part don't even have the 30 to get inside.

My stories go on and on in rio now from having a dumb American want to fight me over a working girl I liked and was his ex. I short dude, and you know I'm in very good shape, came up to me and wanted to hit me inside Help and said "you know she my girlfriend. What are doing with her again!"

I laughed and knew if you fight in help and are asked to leave you get booted for a week or two from going back . . . you can of course pay a fine I'm sure. so he wanted me to hit him so I couldn't go back inside Help. Idiot . . . he didn't know I already knew that!

To the others here . . . THINK . . . what you post here is read by hundreds of guys that don't post.

When the new season comes, they will read this as first timmers and not know what to think.

This site is to help others with the truth and not not confuse them with BS.

When I went to Rio for the first time I read this site and now I know why I didn't know anything; because there were too many ego -- god like --- guys thinking they know it all about Rio when I found outside of Bobby, my friend who speak fluent, there are only a few and I mena less than ten Americans that speak more than 20 words of Port like you Jag.

I try to add by giving the wisdom of not only me but the four guys I invited and two of which I paid for to see what it was like in Rio.

None of them would even step foot inside a Terma.

None of them would ever fuck or touch a girl in the Villa like you Jag.

All of them had a great time at many different places in Rio from Leblon to Ip to Central.

I learn and then share my thoughts here and then you guys make fun of sharing thoughts with others and trying to help.

Sure there's a turnover at Help. I was told it was 70% every year, but I doubt that as I now know it's more like 10% every six months with girls comming into Rio for the high season for a month or two to suck blood -- money -- from the tourists.

I know now that these girls have played the same game with you with maybe 50 other guys. Jag do you think you're the first guy she wrote "I want to have your baby" to. I herd that 1o times last trip. There is a reason for it . . . want to know.

These girls know if they have an American man's child the odds are he's not going to want to live in Rio or take them to the US. These girls are very smart and truth is they don't want a guy telling them not to "work at night" or control them like a brazilian man would; not to mention he lost likely will not have much money. So by haning an American man's child they can continue to work and get guilt money from the guy every month.

how do I know this. Well, you know many girls who work in Help and in the Termas have babies. Some tell you and some don't. But if you ask in Port it's hard to lie about their child so you get an honest answer. And many many times the father was American or European and was paying money every month while the Brazilian guys rarely paid.

So having an american man's child means they're set for life and can work when you're not in Rio. If you're only there for a week, then they know you may walk and nver come back. but when they see you for 40 days and then another 40 days you become a target . . . like you did Jag.

But what do I know . . . Karina's best freind got pregnant with a guy on his third trip for ten days and he's still paying 300 a month. Not much but he only had sex with her a few times!

These girls are not stupid . . .

Know the game they do! . . . said Yoda.

May the Rio force be with you guys, and remember you're here to help oterh guys and share information not sarcastic bullshit.

P.S. I now know how and why you get held up in Copa and how the girls avoid it. The girls pay a street guy to watch the streets and give the "all is clear" signal before they leave the apartment. Then they toss the homeless guy some change. It's like a point guy in an army team. I know know the guys who make a living off this on noth sides of Help; the two most dangerous streets in copa.

If you speak Port or he knows you, he'll help you out but you have too and give you the hand singal.

It was intersting because I knew the girls were scared of the streets in Copa yet managed not to get held-up. After all they are known to carry cash on them. Now I know how they do . . . cash to the point guy, some to the police, some to the van that cooks food outside and a few others together with the girls watching out and you have a real net of security you don't even know is ther.

Ave Copa is a different story and is much more dangerous but that's naother story I should not share because god knows we want someone from this site to get held up and pay a local as a guide becuase he's scared to walk the streets.

Grow up guys!

P.S. My typing sucks, my wireless keyborad misses letters and the whole above post was done in ten minutes . . . so hold off on the typo crap.

Funny the only other people that give me shit about just typing are bithces . . . yes women who bitch!

Act like men, not like whinning little women and help out your fellow man instead of bitching all the time.

Rite on, Roblaw. The guys on this site are a bunhc of laying bithces! Espesially that Jag dude. And all those X-pats, what a bunch of loosers.

Listen. I know know what realy happens in Rio. These putas want money! And babies. American babies. American babies with money. They dont want you whinning little women. But mayby the dark ones do. They do anything. For money. Not to much. And for babies. American babies. And terma girls fuck black guys with big cooks. Ther are more black people hear then in Beverly Hills 90210.

So grow up, speak Port, get a job, go back to America you X-pats, stop whinning, don't get them pregnent, don't go to thermases, don't go to Villa like Jag, listen to me, THINK, and stop whinning.

Yours in Christ,
Safado69

Roblaw,

My vocabulary in Portuguese is now up to 22 words and I have hired a tutor to instruct me--Sweetmesquite. He says that he'll always be a couple of words as well as several glasses of wine ahead of me. How can I loose?

Jag

Jag-
If you really want to supercharge your language skills, hire Hemp as well. Between the two of them, you'll be up to 40 words in a matter of years!
BD

BD,

Hemp teaches Portuguese too? Thought he just officiated at weddings!

I'll PM him immediately. Thanks for pointing me in the write direction.

Jag

Hemp? Sure, he's a jack-off of all trades!

Bwana dik, I bet Hemp would not let Little Hemp date Rosie, only the best blonde GP's in Rio for the little big man.

Ever notice all that white hair on his right palm? Rosie is his favorite loira. And she goes bareback with him!

(Message edited by Bwana_dik on September 22, 2005)

Bwana, I hope he dyes it befor the first time I ever get to meet him. Remember I do not like blondes.

You know Bwana you have been a little hard on me lately since you know I'm returning to the states to attend Medical School at UCLA with a very special nurse from Brail. Are you sure she couldn't use a roommate? - Hemp

I guess you didn't get the word, Hemp. You blew your MCAT! You're being placed in the med school in Guadalajara. But don't fret; they have some shit-hot chicas down there, even a few false blondes. Check out the Guadalajara pics on CH.

Here's hoping your Spanish is as good as your Portuguese

BD,

Hemp speaks Spanish, too?

Boy, am I lucky.

Jag

Not only Spanish. You should hear him speak Pig Latin. He used to do simultaneous translation for the UN. And you probably thought it was just his charm and rugged good looks that attracted all the hottest babes.

I assume that Hemp is going to med school to become a proctologist?

I always give Sweet and Hemp a hard time about their language skills. You would think it completely impossible to have spent over 300 days apiece in Brasil, and neither one can speak a fucking word of Portuguese. It's almost a mathematical impossiblity. Sweet knows "tinto" and "branco", Hemp only knows "Marlboro" and I don't think that's even Portuguese.

I know for a fact Hemp speaks at least two words in Portuguese. Comida and Vai. And his wink is universal. Aahh. It will be fun to be down there again soon.

Roblaw said:
"I learn and then share my thoughts here and then you guys make fun of sharing thoughts with others and trying to help."

Perhaps it wouldn't have been this way if you didn't jump into the discussion with unfounded and inaccurate accusations that those with different experiences are lying to make money off tourists (9/18 21:03, 9/19 04:06)

Maverick, Homercat, and any else that "agrees" with Roblaw...I'm not sure it's so much the pricing experiences that is so disagreeable, but the posting persona. Click on some of the handles that Roblaw is accusing of being liars and inscrupulous opportunists, some have long histories and numerous trip reports, some live or have lived in Rio and know more than a tourist would know, one of them has the most comprehensive guide to the Rio scene on the Internet.

The funny thing is that I'd probably lean towards the higher pricing estimates for the newbie tourist. Lots of guys here are more experienced so maybe more postings reflect that. But the way to share a different viewpoint is to simply state it and back it up with facts and reason, not come out guns blazing with ridiculous accusations.

Geeeeezzzzz - with all this abuse about my excellent Portuguese sometimes I wonder why I even belong to this club of my friends? Bye the way Cat I know about 14 words now - so there! - Hemp

d'Artagnan-
It's a little odd. I know I have never told anyone or written anywhere that you can pull top drawer talent from Help for 150 or less. I have said that my standard approach is to be up front and say "I can give you a presentinha of 250," making it clear I'm not negotiating, and I've had good luck. I've never paid more than 250, but rarely less, and never less than 200 (in the past 4 years). I don't bat 1.000, but bat above .750. But I haven't had a 150 reais all nighter since the real hit 2.00.

Most of RL's ranting seems to be against straw men. So what if someone says they're getting it for 150? More power to 'em. Anyone who reads the board knows that this is a below average price, and anyone who does their homework will not walk into Help expecting free pussy.

Hemp,
You may know 14 words in Portuguese, but 12 of them are the names of garotas.

I pulled out when it became clear that RL had some "issues" and many of the other things he said were absolute crap. I'll stand by the original GENERAL point that some of these posts about "Any girl who quotes 300 will take 1/2 that" is just misleading oversimplification of the issue.

B-Dik, what you just posted sounds absolutely reasonable and probably par for the course among most knowledgable mongers (in terms of payment, not necessarily approach). I have found some of the posts from awhile back, giving newbies advice, like: she'll quote X, just laugh and divide it by 2, pretend to walk away, she'll come back saying "OK"...." to be bad advice when you're dealing with the top stunners. Common sense should tell you, and my experiences have confirmed for me, that girls getting more attention are going to have the privledge of being picky. I've seen many a guy whisper something into a hottie's ear, she shakes her head and walks away, and I see her leaving with another dude 1/2 hour later. The original guy is left holding his pud and looking for another hottie. Not fun for me; when I choose I can't take "No" for an answer. That's why I'll go as high as R600 (OK that last sentence is a joke).

I'll add a few things as some real help to guys wanting to go to Rio for the first time surfaces.

1. It does help if you speak a little Portuguese. It's not needed by any means and most Americans there months can't speak more than 50 words if that.

2. Looks and age do matter. It's not important because money always trumps looks and if fact my opinion on looks and cloths changed after I learned to communicate better . . . it can help to lower a price but it's more about the girl wanting to spend more time with you if she has an orgasim and enjoys your company. There is something to be said about compatibility.

3. Price: all girls will try to get what they can from you, but after trying to see if you're a sucker and will pay 400 some truth arises. (a) top 10% of girls in Help get 300; (b) the next 70% get 250 to 200; (c) the bottom 20% if they can afford to get in will take 150.

4. Price: these prices can be higher and lower by 20 to 30% based on YOUR looks; time of night;

a. day of the week;
b. repeat or first time;
c. if she's already worked that day;
d. can you communicate;
e. what country you're from;
f. eye color - girls in Brazil love blue eyes; (I have brown eyes)
g. color of your skin:
h. nationality;
i. are they drunk?;
j. high on something elese?"
k. time of the month;
l. has one of her friends left with another guy?; m. does she have a place to sleep that night?
n. went to the hair dresser that day?
o. how long she took to get ready that night.
p. are you a regular?
q. have you had sex with her friend? (these girls are competitive and she may fuck your brains out for less than her friend just to take you away from her!)

5. None of this matters in a Terma. One price fits all and for many this is easy and the best way.

6. Yes Help can be an adventure from time to time which is why I like it. I'm a risk taker by nature and I live by the words nothing ventured nothing gained. In Help you can get slapped by a girl, get her nails in very amazing and sometimes very abusive ways, you can get the best BJ or she not even care to suck it; she may ride you top like a pony or tell you only does it doggy style; she may take a shower with you or lock the door when she goes into the bathroom; she may dance with you in your apartment to candle light; or pour hot wax on her breasts; she may call her friend for a threesome or not even want to have sex with you; she may not even ask for money the next day or ask you for 50 for a taxi. For me this is what makes Help fun.

8. Every girl in Help is working except for a very very few that come with a BF because it still has one of the best if not the best dance floor in Rio.

9. Money talks in Help . . . the bottom line is this is buisness until proven otherwise. But this is where the shades of grey come into play in Rio in general because in my opinion ALL SEX is about money . . . it's just different in Rio.

10. Girls in Help and the Termas are whores . . . never forget this and when I was first told "there is no future for girls who work in the night" in PORT I didn't believe, but now I do. Never forget unless you have hard evidence to the contrary . . . THESE GIRLS ARE PROSITUTES . . . THEY WILL HAVE SEX FOR ANYONE FOR ENOUGH MONEY . . . THEY WILL DO ANYTHING FOR ENOUGH MONEY . . . THEY WILL FUCK TEN GUYS IN AN HOUR FOR ENOUGH MONEY.

11. So while there are factors is price and experience, the bottom line if you have five friends and offer a girl 1000 to fuck you and all your firends for the next 10 hours she will most likely take the money.

12. More than 90% of the girls you are having sex with in Rio have had sex with over 1,000 guys. I know there are always new girls but are they new to Rio or new to the game? Many girls get tired of a city and move from SP to Rio or the North to the South for one reason or another. Yes, everyone has that first week at a job . . . . and every guy has the fantasy of being loved, liked and finding that new girl.

Finally:

I'm not going to be stopped by these few guys who just admitted they have spend 300 days in Brazil and can't even communicate.

This is very typical of guys I know in Rio. Most claim they do this or that and then you find out from one of their girls another story. Which leads me to a more advanced tip I learned the hard way.

Share little with stangers . . .

These idiots know I live in BH and it's a bad thing? I read once here that the working girls in Rio are like "fucking maids" in the US. I now know this to be true. These girls are for the most part drugged out stupid girls. It was only after I met real Brazilians from good families that I learned how low these girls are. I was told by many the first and second time how much of "low lives" these girls are and just fuck em and leave em. But I didn't believe. Now I know this to be true and I'll sound more like some of the people I thougth were clueless my second trip who I now know were just trying to help me.

Especially now that I'm chatting with hot Brazilians on Okrut!

If anyone needs an invitation to Okrut just ask. It has 10 million members 66% of which are Brazilian! You can translate language online to help you learn more and meet real Brazilian hotties who want to meet an American man.

Muito legal para uno Americano bobo!

A few more things:

1. There are some guys who don't care about the money;
2. All these factors are voided of you pay 300;
3. After money there still is what is she willing to do for the money;
4. Guy from other countries either are willing to pay more (Germans) or less (Italians) than Americans.
5. Germans like blonds, Italians like darker girls in general.
6. Rio is an international city and Americans are still a very very very small minority.
7. The girls know or think they know all Americans have money blakc or white, all Americans are created equal and all Americans have piles of money.
8. Italians are not liked by many and

Finnaly the most true and misunderstood thing I post here:

SOME girls will not sleep with a black guy!

Of course from the 10 or so girls who said this to me and I've never sceen with a black guy I reply what if they offered you 1,000. The reply was silence . . . so itis not never it's just that every girl has a type of guy she likes.

But they all like the color green more than a type of guy . . . but it's a sliding scale.

Lastly:

I typically like over paying the first night and almost never talk about money. I found the ones that demand money are the worst in bed. I have a reputation of paying between 250 and 330 for a girl. Payment depends of performance and time spent with me as in hours; what I spend on them in terms of dinner; and how many days she's with me.

If I like a girl I'll spend two, three and sometimes more time with her and try to recruit her friends and another girl for a real party.

. . . .

I know all you guys know more than me but in true style you'll just attack me and add nothing to the topic.

I'm still trying to think of what ungly bitch can be done for 150 or less

Thanks for your postings D'artagnan and B-dik on Help prices. That has been my SOLE intention in posting here - I did agree in general with RL on some of his PRICING comments. But honestly, I could care less about all of the little personality disputes that seem to occur here (never met any of you in person). I was only seeking accurate info - as I have been to Help many times and have always paid fair prices for the talent there. But I have always had a sense that some guys were claiming they paid next to nothing for top shelf talent. I could never figure out how this would happen (or how I could get in on these low prices!)

Anyway, I got toasted by several here (including a huge flame by Knockneedman above) - In response, I simply sent him a polite e-mail, including an offer to have a drink with him if he in Rio in Nov (FYI he now realizes his posting above about me is completely inaccurate). So, let's get back to the garotas as related Brazil info now - that is the only reason I ever read this board. Ate Logo and look forward to gaining even more insight into the Rio scene.

So RL..Well I have met a few white Brazilian girls,who said the same about white guys...What was the point in using that example about black guys.In the end like you finally said its all about the reals $$$$.

The bottom line is that the pricing at Help is complex and depends on the girl.Every girl is different and operates on different standards.Just because one dude can't get a hotty for $200r or less doesn't mean someone else can't.Based on my personal experience and observations evryones experiences are different.Someone said earlier that you gotta have game,speak Port, dress nice etc,I'm pretty sure those things can make a difference but they are not necessary at Help, which is why it's so great for a lot of dudes.

I like Help because you never know what you are gonna get and you can bang 99% of the girls there for a price of course.Unfortunately you have to go through a lot of BS to get to the true gems,but it can be fun getting there.As far as paying everyones got their limits(i hope).I personally refuse to pay more than $200r and I have gotten some pretty good looking babes(imho)through the years.If the girl is down with you, the level of service(gfe,dfk,tln etc) will be the same whether its 400r or 150r.I hate negotiating,but I gotta watch my pockets if I wanna keep coming as often as I do,lol.In the end its all about what you are willing to spend and how much you really want it.These Rio GDPs are masters of illusion so be careful how you proceed.

RL, I'm not attacking you, but I want to point out that you seem to imply that Orkut is full of hot, non-pro Brazilieras looking to hook up with Gringos. I'm not a member but I can confirm that my hot Brazilian main "girlfriend" whom I talk to everyday, along with all of her hot girlfriends, are on Orkut all day long. And they are all GDPs from Rio. If you are meeting "hot" young brazilians looking to meet a gringo, I bet chances are they're GDPs as well.

Ee2002, no truer words have ever been spoken. Kudos!

Ditto Mav.. Orkut is full of "real" whores.. I've also seen all the much talked about "superstars" of help and the termas in the "real" clubs of Rio (nuth.. etc).

You think they're going to tell you they work in a terma?

The bottom line is there's no way to tell. Just go out and have fun.

I'm sure our frind RL is told on a regular basis: vai tomar no cu..

Pizzaria uno americano..

RL you always incinuate that guys who go to termas do so because the girls cant say no and the guys who like termas dont have enough game to get the help girls, I disagree , the girls in the termas are way better looking IMO and its convenient to take a shower to get rid of the sex smell for us guys who have girlfriends down there.

Is it the ego boost that you get when the girl turns down 250 from a 65 year old and goes with you for 250?

you can get the same ego boost in the termas, my ego is waiting for the day the girl gives me money to fuck, that will never happen.

the blue eyes thing helps a little but not much, maybe get you a few compliments. or the girl will want you to knock her up so she can monstra
a blue eyed baby in the favela.

Ill never have a problem in help , because I like in-shape black girls with asses that you can rest a drink on so everyone else can fight over the blonds , and ill usually pay anything they ask for up to 250 for the whole nite.

Lots of chatter about one thing. Let's break this down. We go to Rio to have fun. The girls are there to make money - and some - like the game more than others. They are the worlds best at making a man feel "desired". Shi%, if girls in the U.S. could do that, we would all be broke. (Money would have no meaning if it were not for women - Aristotle Onasis; We pay them to leave - Cary Grant).

Do they want as much as they can get? Absolutely.

Do we want as much as we can get? Absolutely.

Do some guys get"upset" because of the games. Yea. But they have lost sight of the goal - having fun. Enjoying a lady.

I dig Brazil for the culture, the women, the food, the beach, the weather... So in the end, I am paying for a lifestyle while I am there. It is my own business how I negotiate.

And candidly, we are all on the same team on this site. It gets a bit ridiculous to argue amongst ourselves about something we all love. I think the phrase is "don't be a hater!". Seize the day. I think there was a guy who had a handle of BonVivant - the Good life. That's what I want. But that measure is different for every man.

Do some guys overpay? Yea. Do some guys get deals? Yea. Heck, that's in every business in the world.

So, 3 more weeks till I am rockin' Brazil. All I can say, is that with the guys that are going to be there, the girls that are already there, and the good times, it will be "sick".

Now, if we want to spend time arguing about something, and take all the energy spent on this thread doing something productive, let's start some rumors on Brazil Yahoo about the political situation in Brazil and try and move the exchange rate a few points. Now that would be constructive.

See you guys soon!

I don't know what RL posted (I no longer read his posts in this thread) - but I did see mention by him/others of Okrut... and I will confirm:

It is full of hotties Brasileiras that will have sex with gringos (at their decision).

Not with me, mind you (damn!), but I have friends that run the SoBe scene with me here and they work the Okrut hard and they are continually banging hot young (never over 29) Brasileiras here in FL.

Given, one is 24 and a former low-time model... and has some serious skills... but still, like all Brasileiras, Okrut girls are horny and will give it up quickly. I have first hand experience (first hand watching as a wing man) here, and it is true.

This thread has certainly taken a turn for the better. It's nice to share experiences w/o attacking and lecturing one another. I think Eo2002 put it perfectly when he said everyone's experiences are different in Help. Some guys will get a stunner for 150-200R. Some guys pay 300R and don't want any part of the negotiating game. For a strictly sexual experience, I prefer the Termas because of the controlled environment. No risk of the chick stealing from you or freaking out on you or having drugs on her. I approach Help with a different mindset. Things are less structured so I try to have fun with it. I sort of get a kick out of seeing if I can get one of the "stars" to go back with me for 150R. Maybe it's the ego boost or the illusion that I'm "getting" this chick I wouldn't get back in the States at my age, but I enjoy the game of trying to pay a fair price. I also think that if the 'bargaining' is done in a good-natured manner, the Garota will respect me and be more likely to give me a good experience. I can certainly understand that some guys don't want to have this type of "fun," they just want to get the chick back to their hotel and bang her brains out! To each his own.

I found the lowest I pay for what I would say is an above average girl in Help is around 200 for the night. In my mind she is between top 60% and 85%, but she is not top 10%. There are some very attravctive pain in the ass gilrs in Help that refuse to take less than 300 . . . as far as telling a guy on his first through thrid trip he can get top tallent out of Help for 200 or less is not going to happen unless ther is some mitigating circustance or he thinks she's top but she knows she's not and 20 other factors.

Anything is possible in Rio and Brazil and as I've said there are many shades of grey. Most of those shades will never step foot in Help but that doesn't mean, like in the US, they're not looking for a "fat cat" to play with.

As far as Okrut, it's a very interesting site and I'm going to have to lean how to write Portuguse as well as speak it . . . grrrr. Millions of girls mor all sorts from porn stars to real babies to clearly good girl Brazilians. Anyone who wants an invite . . . it may be cool to start up a group there called Club Rio and invite some of the guys who can help me learn more and communicate better.

I still think I have areal good handle in Help after over 60 nights there. I can say, clearly, when I left 30 days ago after spending 100 of the last 200 days in Rio, I knew almost every girl there . . . no on a personal level, but I knew her face and maybe a few other things.

It's my opinion telling a new guy to Help, he can get top tallent for 200 is wrong. I'd tell him to:

1. Know the difference between two hours and all night;
2. Make a good objective jugement of the quality of the girl he's trying to have sex with;
3. Learn some of the mitigating things like time of night; day of the week; time of the year; raio of girls to men; and extras like unlimited sex and other things I wount mention here.
4. He needs to get anything under 300 agreed upon wiht terms. If he's willing to pay 300 for the night then just take her home and have fun and give her 300 in the AM and if he hears Gustoso once 300 is plenty.
5. Advanced concepts require language skills or the girl knowing you or about you or noth and include many of the shades of grey I've talked about.

Now you can walk into Help for the first time or tenth time thinking you own the place speaking no Portuguese and listen to these guys and offer them 150 and see where it gets you.

If she's from the South or Rio and you think she's in the top 50% and not in the top 10% of all girls and it's not earlier than 1:30 AM, you may be able to get her for 200. I think 250 is more like a fair price but it is my opinion that not one of the top top 10% girls will take less than 250 or typically 300 unless there's something up.

You all can tell me cloths, skin color, youth, blue eyes, race, blond hair, being a local, have no impact on price or performance but I know it does.

Let's stop this crap and get an Okrut community going . . .

Club Rio . . . .

send me your emails!


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P.S.

On Okrut you can post X rated photos too . . .

It's kind of cool!

How do you connect with Okrut?