You need an invitation froma memeber and then it's free. The site has 10 million members and sort of run by Google but it's 66% brazilian . . . it's a very open site but I've only been a memeber a week so I'm leanring the ropes myself.

need an email for an invite

Just saw this article about IT innovation in Brasil; the article includes a reference to Okrut.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/sv/20050926/tc_siliconvalley/_www12745472

The U.S.-based social networking site Orkut claims about 10 million users worldwide, with more than three-quarters of users listing Brazil as their country of residence. Much of Brazilian technology is being developed on an ad hoc basis by young, inspired people such as Ricardo Ruiz, 28, who, along with four other programmers, toil in a second-floor office in the heart of Rio's historic Lapa district.

If you like Brazil . . . Orkut is a must!

Just got the following in my inbox. At least there were no spelling mistakes. Well, almost. Another day, another psycho.

FROM Roblaw
SUBJECT Really asshole
MESSAGE That was after my first ten day trip. The last posts were after my last two 40 days trips. That's 85 more days learning things about Brazil and Rio. You go to your tiny terma where you wear a rope and bitch here all you want about how hot the girs are there.

In fact go to 4 X 4 where I never saw so many ugly bitches in my life!

But you know how it is!

I just got this one...

DATE Tue 09/27/05 12:40 am
TO Dood
FROM Roblaw
SUBJECT Really
MESSAGE What a fucken bullshit lie. So the price isn't the same for everyone! The girls can say no to you if you want to have sex with them and they are working. The girls don't do as many as five guys or more a day/night. And it's best to date a terma girl for that GF experience. Alot of hot girls in 4 X $ . . . yea right!

Try kissing a terma girl . . . yea right . . . after her mouth's been on three dicks that night!

I'll bet you've been in Rio three years and can't even speak Portuguese!

Worthless my ass . . .

If you like long distance sex with a

Idiot!

RL acts like he's finding virgins in Help. who, unlike those sluts in the termas, don't suck dick. Hmmm. I wonder what those Help girls do during their free hours? Maybe they go to the beach in front of the Othon Palace, pull a couple of guys for quickies, and SUCK THEIR DICKS. Maybe they hang out at Meia Pataca, pull a couple of guys, and SUCK THEIR DICKS. Maybe they hang out in Rocinha or Vidigal with their traficante boyfriends and SUCK THEIR DICKS. Maybe they work in the Centro brothels, see 15 guys for 20-minute "one-real-a-minute" sessions, and SUCK THEIR DICKS. Maybe they work the afternoon shift at Vila Mimosa, see about 5 clients, and SUCK THEIR DICKS.

Or, just maybe, they spend the prior night and the morning with RL, and SUCK HIS DICK!

That settles it, I'm never going to Help again!

I guess RL forgot that a lot, if not most of the girls in help probably spent their day working in a terma SUCKING DICKS. You thing they're going to tell you?

Right...

I love blowjobs, and as far as I'm concerned, the more practice the garotas get, the better they will be at giving head, which is all I care about.

Safado69-

You make a great point. Furthermore, garotas at Termas are tested, you never know what you get at Help. Not to rip on RL, I like termas because I spend my nights looking for non-gdp's at Nuth or Baronetti...somehow the quality of the women is WAY better than Help if you are at the right club.

CB

Be honest people we all know that only fat ugly losers, like me, go to termas.

Yeah, Tuff Guys from Beverly Hills who become fluent in Portuguese after listening to Pimsleur CDs - of course he's functionally illiterate since he apparently can't read or write in Portuguese since he didn't have the Pimsleur book, but we'll ignore that for now - really shouldn't go to termas. Tuff Guys only go to Help, chase down favella rats, flash their 90210 drivers license to impress them and then take them back to their apartment for some Austin Powers-style dining, dancing and lovemaking. No fucking, but making love, like Tuff Guys always do.

Again it's funny you three or four guys are the only ones claiming all these amazing things that I never found true in Rio then attacking me when I try to help guys who read this site and want some usefull information.

1. As I said most (90%+) of the girls in Help are pros. The part time new girl is for the ost part a fantasy. Girls know guys want this so they tell them what they want to hear. Rio girls are great at providing this fantasy. In fact, this is the main reason wokring girls work in "ordianry" bars in IP, to give men the illusion of chastity.

The Terma girls are in my mind harder core becasue I know they can not say no to a decent guy for fear they would get fired; they can't regulate how many guys they have to have sex with a night; and there is no GF-all night experiecne. You guys reply by saying of course they can say no to a drunk guy with his handsall over them but this is so rare it's not even worth talking about.

You can twist my words and try to misslead all the guys you want here with fantasies of danger, the part time girls, how great the Terma(s) are, how you can get a gilr for 150 and have a good time from Help, but for what purpose?

The Terma has the ability to reduce fees. Help wil never comp a guy. The Terma can offer favors for business. Help will never offer anything.

I know you gus want men to have bad times in Help by trying to make them think 200 to 300 is not a normal price to pay for the entire night. I guess once the gilrs know and talk amung themselves that the guy is a cheap son of a bitch his experience in Help will drive him to the Terma.

I wish someone would have tld me this before I went to Rio. Also, how not to avid the low life girls who set you up in many ways. I actually thought I may get drugged after reading this stie then was told I was crazy for thinking every girl could drug me. I was told she would steal from me but it's funny how very very very few guys here reort being stolen from.

I also almost didn't go because the pictures on this site were so horrible in general. There are a few nice pictures, but I found most if ot all of the hot girls actually fight to ekkp themsselves off the internet and know where a r-rated picture is going if they let a guy take the photo.

This results in most of the GL gorls refusing to take pictures unless they are drunk. But of course this isn't true too and every girl will let her take a photo and hasn't a clue what the internet is all about.

Help is help; I call that area of Copa fantasy central. You guys would have me believe it's bargian city.

I still think you four or five guys that post here have an agenda of missleading other guys who read this site. I know why . . . and you guys know why . . .

How could a guy who thought he knew Rio because he read your stupid posts be so wrong when he was forst in Rio and then learn new things like the launguage and come back here and post things in such great difference to your montra, get attacked and for what reason?

Trying to hide the truth?

Trying to misslead guys in Rio?

Cheapo guys?

Typical Americano bobos?

Whatever the reason keep it up . . . . I will continue to try to assist guys who go to Rio who

1. Do not need a guide. Just ask Gigi or his son to take you to a Terma. They're outside of Mia every day. He's lived in Rio his entire life, and I think has 15 or more grandchildren. No guide needed nor any money for a cab ride. It's easy, safe and gigi speaks some English and he'll tell you everyhting you need to know for free.

2. Being a cheapo with girls creates danger. 200 is fair for a night's work considering she paid 20 ro 30 to get in and a few more (5 to 10) for
drinks. 250 to 300 is the going rate, never pay up front and have fun, be romatic, enjoy the night and forget about a few Reals. The only thing being cheap will get you in trouble or a bad time.

3. Avoid all American men tour guides. Odds are you will get the same price in broken English and intimacy (or the illusion) goes further than any tour guide will get you. There ar mony people trying o get your tourist dollar in Rio and the girls are the most honest about going about getting that dollar.

4. Avoid Cop at night, especially in high season with a girl by your side. Everyone here will have you believe t's so dangerous in Rio but I've been there over 100 days with nothing ... no shit, no knives, no police, no anything except a girl named "linda" refusing to have sex with me for 300 when we got home so I gaver her 5o to leave and she almost called the police. She's one to be avoided as I neversaw her with a repeat guys, which tells you something about a girl.

I'll keep it up despite these guys tring to scare you, r make you feel like being a cheapo. . .

Hell pay her 350 and watch the extra mile she will go to make you happy so you come back for a repeat!

Girls talk to each other and I wonder what they would be saying about the three or four guys that post here if they could talk?

Hmmmmm

Treat people the way you want to be treated is a great rule to follow in Rio and in life.

Sometimes Roblaw seems to channel KidCisco/Slicey, sometimes Turk. It's all funny, all the time.

I don't think he is nearly as funny or entertaining as either KidCisco/Slicey or Turk. He seems more like a 24-carat dimwit.

So they'll think I'm cheap if I only pay them 150R? Gosh, last time I met a very attractive GDP there, brought her back for 150R and she called me up the next night and wanted to come over for nothing. I tried to give her money, but she refused. She must have really hated me for being so cheap! Now unfortunately that doesn't happen often, but the point is that you don't need to throw big money at these chicks. Of course, all these GDPs that you know so well tell you that they won't go with anyone for less than 300R. I think you're the one they're laughing at.

Oh and there is one nice thing about the termas - the girls there are tested regularly. If they fail their health exams, guess where they go to work full-time?

It's my opinion that the testing is another myth about Help vrs. the Terma. Many of the top girls in Help see doctors about once every six months. The Terma girls are suppose to be tested but I've herd so many mixed stories about the truth to this that I'm not too sure it's true.

Plus it's not true that all girls want to work in a Terma. For your theory to be ture, a Terma would have to be the premium place to work, which is clearly not the case.

I've learned that very little is as it seems in Rio, not Brazil. Brazil and Rio must be thought of as a tourist city, which Brazil is a large diverse country. If you choose to think the Terma is a safe place think abuut where all these guys have been before they hit the Terma.

Glad to see you all wanted to expand your universe and really what hotties reside in Brazil, but then again the walk in IP @ 4:00 to 5:00 pm is all I nedd to do to show me the quality in Rio. Anyone walk the main street in IP around this time . . . amazing!

RL, I agree with you somewhat. I'm not completely convinced that one can rely on the testing supposedly done by the Termas. But OTOH, it's relatively more assuring than that of the Help girls.

RL, The girls do get tested regularly. I know as I went downtown twice with one terma girl when she needed to get tested, it's done once a month.

I hung around the building where the terma doctor worked and said hi to all the girls as they were heading off to be checked.

I've been in 4X4 on multiple occasions when my girl had to leave for a few minutes to get blood drawn. She said it's a monthly event. Testing every month sure beats testing every 6 months, and I'll bet many at Help only get tested when they show signs of another std.

Roblaw, who said all girls want to work in termas? No one. You make up "myths" and then refute them. At times you are a master of the obvious, at other times you spout nonsense.

Why don't you do as someone suggested, and write a major guide, complete with information, tips, photos, etc. Yours can be the alternative to the Bwana Dik guide. We all await a substantive contribution.

I have twice been in Termas when testing happens.

I stay away from Help because it is dangerous at night, no matter what Roblaw claims. It is "rob a gringo central" in Zona Sul because every favela hood knows gringoes are walking around with R$500 in their pocket for a night of fun. Help is within running distance of Cantagalo, Pavao and Pavaozinho. Lots of hungry kids can live for a few months on your drink and garota $$. A large percentage of the gdp's at Help live in one of the aforementioned favelas. The expensive girls might go to the doctor when sick, however, it is a real hassle for most of the favela girls to see a doctor and I would highly doubt they go regularly. I don't expect Roblaw to know who sings this (unless he googles it) "A favela e um problema social"...however, when in Copacabana and especially near Help after midnight, you can experience first hand all of Rio's social problems first hand.

Roblaw is right, the best gdp's get R$250-R$400 at Help, however, he is dead wrong about termas, the safety factor around Help (Avenida N S Copacabana Av Atlantica and Posto 5-6 after midnight), and several other ideas.

All that being said, one can have fun at Help without being robbed or catching an std, however, in my opinion Help is not the best mongering venue in Rio.

There might be a few that try to steer others away from visiting Rio, however, most of it is done jokingly. I have never had a problem getting information and I have been happy to share. In the past there have been several posts about the talent being bad at Help. I thought the same thing when all of this posting was happening.

The Dummy Speaks Out

Hold on fellas, this is going to be a long post, only because I have a lot of information to cover and several points to make so please bear with me. As you may or may not be aware, Roblaw posted some erroneous information about me in his September 22 post at 6:17 a.m. that I wanted him to retract. Listed below sequentially is my personal message to him on September 26 as well as his reply on the same day. Please read both as they will give you valuable insight as to what is to follow.



Dear Roblaw,

First of all, I want to say that I have never attacked you on the board or supplied misinformation to the members, something that can't be said about you.

You forget that Will, Bruce and I were right next to you in Help on the balcony when you asked two girls how much for their services. The first girl, dressed in blue, told you R$600 and the next quoted you R$500. This completely contradicts what you told Thumper in your Sept 20th, 2:05am post.

Also in your Sept 22nd, 6:17am post you stated that," None of them would ever fuck or touch a girl in the Villa like you Jag." You're accusing me of doing something that I never did. Read my first report to refresh your memory then, if you have the balls, call me and apologize.

In the same post this accusation is what I find most baffeling,"If you're only there for a week, then they know you may walk and nver come back, but when they see you for 40 days and then another 40 days you become a target...like you Jag." I have never spent more than 17 days on one trip, most are less then 14 days and a few have been as short as 3 days. You, on the other hand, claim to have been in Brazil twice on 40 day trips (I have your PM saved to prove it) so why the fuck are you making this claim of me? Moreover, why are you saying that I'm a target for doing what you are in fact doing?

With regard to Bruce and his girlfriend, he knew that he had to pay her just not the exact the amount she expected. Using him as example of a guy being taken is totally misleading and you know it.

I want to hear directly from you or I will post this plus other examples of your misleading information on the board for all to see. Both Will and Bruce will back me up as well as Tatiana.

You have my number, call me.



His concise and direct reply.


Jag

I lost my other phone with your number.

The R500 in fact supports the fact a 150 girl is hard to come by in Rio and that was in March when the prices go up a bit.

Bruce never knew what hit him and I know the girl he was with had another guy paying the bills for her. She was clearly a shade of grey.

I'm really trying to help guys like me who have never been to Rio.

Want an invite to Okrut . . . give me your email.



I called him yesterday afternoon and left my telephone number as requested. By six o'clock when I had not received a call back, I decided to sit down at my computer, turn on Dragon NaturallySpeaking and dictate my candid impressions of him and events that took place while I was with him. I never expected to hear from him, but as is usually the case with me, I was dead wrong.



Roblaw,


I have been quiet long enough! I am breaking my silence because you decided to bring me into your twisted world when you addressed me directly in your post of Sept. 22nd at 6:17 am. Attached below is my Personal message to him as well as his response. Perhaps I’m missing something or did he not address any of the issues I brought to his attention? I still have trouble deciphering his writing. Can someone translate for me?

With regard to the Asian guy he’s referring to in his 9/22 post (his name is Bruce); I called Bruce to refresh my memory and to find out exactly what he paid her and for how long. Roblaw indicates that he got taken, but in actuality he had the best deal going. This girl really liked him and didn’t want to charge him at all, but he gave her R$350, yes reais, for a total of six days. Why can’t I get taken like that? On second thought, I think I’ll let Bruce do all my negotiating from now on.

I met Roblaw back in March and one day I mentioned Sandman in passing and he stated that he knew him. Later on in the day I went over to Sandman’s apartment and said that I was just on the beach with someone he knew. He asked me, “Who,” and I responded, “Roblaw.” “I don’t know him,” was his reply, which needlessly confused the shit out of me. When I arrived back on the beach I decided to tweak Roblaw by saying,” You know Sandman don’t you?” to which he again replied, “Yes.” “Well, I just left him in his apartment so let’s go over and say hello,” I asked brazenly. You’ll never guess what happened. Oh shit, you’re way ahead of me as usual--- he just remembered that he had to meet someone, excused himself and immediately left. For some strange reason, he never wanted to visit Sandman. Go figure.


I have lots of stories about him, but decided to leave him out of my first report because I always remember what my mom said, “If you have nothing nice to say about someone, keep quiet.” That however changed with his above referenced post. I was still in Rio when he issued his infamous “The Truth about Help and Rio” (March 23, 2005) and when I saw what a warm reception he got, I figured why add to his pain, so I kept my mouth shut. The only time I jumped into the fray was when someone accused him of being a fictional character and I posted that,” I had met him in Rio; he’s real and exactly as he sounds.” I got an immediate PM from him asking me whether my comment was positive or negative. D’oh!


Sandman called me over to his apartment to read his report and I was mystified by his observations, especially since I was often with him at Help. I will admit that at one point Roblaw had me thoroughly confused when he said,” Nobody understands it, but I figured it out.” “What are you talking about,” I asked? He explained that no one but he truly knows about Help and he said, “It’s a conspiracy to keep this an illusion, it’s not reality.” As you can well imagine, that statement confused me even more. I suggested he go home for the night and wondered what medication he was taking and did he forget a dose?

Oh yeah, there was one time when Roblaw was questioning Fawn and she casually mentioned that she had five orgasms the night before. I would like to take full credit for all five, but remember, I previously mentioned that she’s multi-orgasmic. I commented to the two guys I was with that he would no doubt top that somehow. We all went to Help that night and we saw him leave alone. The next day he came up to the four of us and told of about this fantastic girl he took home from Help and she had guess how many orgasms—you’re right, SIX! We thought that somewhat strange because we often saw girls fleeing from him when he approached, that’s why I never once saw him leave Help with a girl.

Fawn absolutely hated him, that’s why we fled to Buzios. I should thank him because that bus tip gave me some great material for my first report, but I still have trouble eating a big round fillet. She did, however, make some intelligent comments about him and, since we are airing all our dirty laundry, I will share them with you. As Roblaw describes himself, he looks younger than he is and that’s a big part of his problem, according to Fawn. She told me that Brazilian women prefer older looking men because they are more stable and typically richer. Roblaw doesn’t fit into that mold and to further compound the problem he looks quite Brazilian, not American. Take those two components together, act extremely aggressive towards women and you have a real winning combination. Now he’s trying to hone his Portuguese language skills, which will most likely work against him and add to his misery. Ironic, isn’t it?

Interestingly the two girls I mentioned in my PM to him that wanted R$600 and R$500 respectively, told me later that evening that they were available for about R$300. Both said they found Roblaw “creepy” and that’s why they quoted him such a high price. What I find particularly ironic is that in his “The Truth about Help and Rio,” he told the reader that if they didn’t have game, were too fat and didn’t dress like a stud that girls would quote a high price to get rid of them. Strangely, exactly that was happening to him daily and he couldn’t even put two and two together.

Later that evening the phone rang and it was Roblaw. We had a long conversation after which I wrote the following;



Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:55 p.m.


Where do I start? How can I possibly put down on paper what just occurred in the last 72 minutes? You're probably wondering what I'm talking about, well; I'm talking about a very long telephone conversation with RobLaw. Yesterday, I sent him a personal message expressing my displeasure with his post of September 22, 2005 at 6:17 a.m., accusing me of all sorts of things that he knows to be false. So that you can become acquainted with what I'm talking about, I attached a copy of my personal message with this post and his reply.

I called him earlier today and left him my telephone number and sure enough he called me this evening. His opening statement was, "So what do you want?" I responded by screaming, "What do I want? Read my fucking personal message to you then call me back!" Click, I slammed the phone down! He called me back in about 30 seconds and started lecturing me on how he's trying to get "the true information on the board." I told him I didn't care about that and that my main concern was his false accusations in his post. He was totally baffled by my displeasure and once again started telling me about how much he knew about Brazil. You know that dirty word my son once used, well; I used it more tonight than I ever had in my whole life. Every other word out of my mouth was -- shut up, and you know what -- he didn't.

I tried to go through in my personal message point by point but it soon became obvious to me that any attempt at a logical conversation was going to be futile at best. When I asked him about accusing me of fucking girls in Vila mimosa he said that that's not what he meant to say. I told him to read the sentence and I read it to him out loud, then I asked him what he meant by that. His explanation was very simple, "I meant to say that you would never go to Vila mimosa and fuck a girl there," he said. "It's a typo, I should spend more time editing," was his seemingly candid reply. Thank God, now I feel so much better, like Hell I do! I was ready to tear out my hair. He was jumping all over the place, telling me he knew all about Rio, Brazilian culture, GDP's and finally he spoke Portuguese for about two minutes to impress me. When he was done, I told him I didn't understand a fucking word he said and let's get back to why he called me -- to discuss my personal message to him.

After a few more minutes of rambling, I asked him if he knew how much our Asian friend had paid his girl; he answered, "no." I then asked him how he could possibly use this as an example of someone getting ripped off when in fact he had no knowledge of the actual amount paid. He then went on to his color scheme, telling me it was really various shades of gray -- whatever the fuck that meant. I told him that I knew in fact that our friend Bruce had paid the girl R$350 for six days -- a veritable bargain. He then stated that he knew the guy who was paying all her bills and when I asked him to tell me her name, he couldn't. How the fuck can he find out so much information about a girl when he doesn't even know her name? I found his answer to be somewhat disconcerting and disingenuous to say the least.

The next point I attempted to discuss with him was how he accused me of being a target because I was in Brazil on two 40 day trips when in fact, he was the one who was claiming to stay in Brazil for 40 days at a time. Another simple explanation, "It didn't come out the way I wanted it to," was his candid reply. Apparently, he meant to say that because I went down there often, I became a target and because he went down there for 40 days at a time, he too became a target. I couldn't quite comprehend his logic in that argument, particularly when he implied that if you're down there for short periods of time as I am; you do not become a target. He’s confusing the shit out of me, how about you?


After about 45 minutes of the most contorted conversation I've ever been in I finally asked him why he decided to drag me into this mess by posting what he did on September 22. To simplify matters, I told him to put his answer into one sentence. Once again, another very simple answer, "Because I thought you supported those four or five guys on this site," he said. "What four or five guys," I screamed? "I know they're all black, at least I assume they're all black," was his cryptic reply. I asked him what the fuck he was talking about and he proceeded to tell me that because he has been telling the truth on this site, "I have interfered with their business." I proceeded to tell him that the only black guy I know in Brazil is Honey Bee (remember Harry died) and I didn't have a clue as to what he was talking about. Apparently, in his mind there is this conspiracy perpetrated by a number of members of this board to misinform the uninformed for financial gain. If you're confused, join the club.

His distorted line of reasoning goes something like this: There is this group of guys on the board who want to convince everybody that they can get girls in Help for R$150 for all night and that these girls are the ones that will either rob you or somehow get you into trouble. By getting you into trouble, this creates demand for their services, which if I understand him correctly, are “tour guide” services. I don't know about you, but I don't know any black guys that are tour guides. I could have gotten his explanation wrong because trying to follow his conversation is kind of like trying to count the lug nuts on the wheel of a tractor-trailer as it’s hurtling down the highway at 80 miles an hour, an impossible task to say the least.

He then went into about a five-minute discourse on how there are a lot of guys living down in Brazil that try to make money off the tourists and he mentioned Bobby at "Blame it on Rio" specifically. "No shit," I replied, "he's a real estate and travel agent and rents apartments to guys and rents telephones, of course he's trying to make money off the tourists. How do you expect him to stay in business?" That line of logic didn't faze him one bit as he went off on to another tangent.

I then tried to nail him down with regard to his claim to Thumper that no girl had ever asked him to pay R$600 when in fact I was standing right next to him when a girl told him R$600. At first he denied it ever happened and then as I pressed the issue, he finally admitted that he vaguely recalled the situation and that maybe he was wrong on this point. Now I was getting somewhere or so I thought.

He told me that he was disappointed that I never backed him up on the board with his claims. I tried to explain to him that I couldn't back him up because I knew that many of his claims were erroneous or completely false. Remember, I spent about six days with him last March and was in Help with him every night and what I saw was not what he observed and immortalized in his post "The Truth about Help and Rio." I asked him one simple question, "How could I maintain my credibility on the board by agreeing with you?" I told him that if I agreed with his claims everybody would look at my reports with a jaundiced eye and assume incorrectly that Jaguar was a fictitious character. Somehow that line of reasoning got through to him because he never answered the question and then jumped into a three minute dissertation about how much he enjoyed my reports and how he remembered me telling him all the stories back in March. Because he was saying something I wanted to hear, I decided not to interrupt his long review of my reports, but then it became apparent that there was no end in sight so I finally asked him to shut up. Strangely, it took only one shut up to quiet him down this time.


In short, he felt that our conversation completely absolved him of any wrongdoing and that there was no reason for either of us to post anything further regarding this matter. I told him that I strongly disagreed with him and would go ahead with my planned posts and he pleaded with me not to post anything about his first trip because he was a newbie, was scared to death and didn't know anything about Rio. That admission really surprised to me because right after his first trip he posted "The Truth about Help and Rio," in which he professed to be an expert on both. As we were concluding our conversation, he asked me if I ever been to Okrut and did I want an invitation? I told him no, but that didn't stop him from going into a one minute description of the site replete with all the features such as pictures of hot girls etc.


Epilogue
Shortly after getting off the phone with him, my son came downstairs and asked me the following question: “Who was that on the phone.” “Some guy from this club I belong to, why do you ask,” was my reply. He said,“Oh, I thought it was another one of those crazy Brazilian girls that call because I heard you yelling on the phone.” So much for subtly!

Thanks for the report Jaguar. It seems too many people in our club are going out of their way to give this guy a break. The fact is his posts are stupid and unhelpful, as most of us well know. Hopefully, he will get the message and crawl back into his hole never (or, at least rarely) to be heard from again, but I fear as he gets put more and more on the defensive his lashing out may increase. I just hope he understands there have been others with similar profiles who preceded him, and they eventually were booted from the board.

He is living in a fantasy world of his own making, and he knows this world better than all of us -- can't argue with him there. I truly thought he was a fictional character, and, in another irony, he is. I wish him the best in whichever world he chooses to reside.

Gentlemen,

To further clarify Roblaw's bizarro world, I would like you all to refresh your memory by asking you all to read the second and third paragraphs of his first post "The Truth about Help and Rio," which are as follows:


The Whore Houses:

Bottom line if you’re over weight, have no game, need extra room to accommodate your member, this is the place for you. Girls here have no choice. If you choose them, then it’s off to a tiny room for a one hour or less session which is typically rushed. Here's the clue guys: the price for all the girls is exactly the same no matter quality, time to finish, or ability in bed. So what's the game here? It’s get as many guys into that ten by tenroom as possible then get em out just as fast. The real funny thing is dance floor is dark, the rooms are dark, and the truth is there’s no telling what the faces really look like until it's too late! And then the girls get banged 5 to 10 times a day.

So if you want quantity, like to be road kill by some average girls and/or easy prey, then this is the place for you. It’s easy to rack up 2 to 4 girls a night for about 120 to 150 a girl. For me this type of scene did nothing. For the shy, weak and number hungry who just want to get their rocks off, this is it. And by the way, why would you kiss a girl at a whore house that has maybe sucked a few guys before you?



At one point during our conversation last night, he strayed off into a dissertation on various termas in Rio and how only the lowlifes go there. Since I wasn't with him the whole time during his first trip I asked him, "Did you ever go to a termas when you are in Rio last March?" His answer absolutely floored me, "No, I never went to one during my first trip." I let that slide because I hadn't read his post "The Truth about Help in Rio" in many months, but I was sure that he made some comments about termas in it.

I vaguely remember describing to him my first visit to a termas in glowing terms and I think he somehow took my comments and distorted them to produce the above two reference paragraphs. I will not, however, take responsibility for whatever he wrote; my comments were 180° from his.

Wow that was pretty deep Jaguar,not to take any sides but it kinda explains things a little better.RL is kinda right about one thing at least, regarding some guys opinion of Help though.A few guys dismiss Help as if its the worst place to be in Rio.I have a love/hate feeling about Help too at times.Especially after being chased by some of these alley cats all night.

You can find some real sweathearts their for a decent price($200r or less)that can rock your world.Although its not as good(imho) as 3 years ago(hell Rio in general isn't as good imho)its still a fun place to go at night and check out hotties.Some nights are good and some are not.

Yeah there are quite a few dogs there compared to termas, but thats no different from any other club where anyone can enter.Last I checked terma girls are whores too and some live in the favelas just like in Help(some help girls are terma girls by day,lol).The point is a good time can be had at both depending on your taste.They both offer a different aspect of the game and are worth checking out.

As far as diseases you should take precautions with all WHORES, no matter where they are whoring.All it takes is one slip up and you can catch something,look at the Darren James situation,where they allegedly get tested every month or whatever.So the bottom line is to protect YOURSELF no matter what you think the hoes are or are not doing.

Peace

BT's Top 10 Reasons I Prefer to Termas to Help

10. Termas test the girls for STD's.
9. My clothes don't smell like smoke when I get home.
8. The Sultan Suite at 4x4 is awesome
7. I don't like buying little tickets to buy a beer.
6. Help does not make Capi Vodka
5. Help might have some high end girl, but some girls are just too foul, ugly, disgusting, to see work in a terma.
4. I worry that a weird chick would come to my place and get strange on me and won't leave without a scene.
3. I don't want GDP's to know where I live.
2. Rob Law is better looking, has more game, and dresses better than me. I don't stand a chance.

And the number 1 reason why I prefer the termas.

1. Rob Law speaks portuguese better than me.

É verdade, BT. RL fala português mehlor do que você. Com certeza.

I have a proposal. I suspect everyone is tired of this. I mean, Laguy is right on: RL isn't funny like KidCisco/Slicey or Turk. RL is like a 3-year-old who thrives on being the center of attention, and will keep acting out to remain the focus of attention. He claims he's just trying to post helpful information, but he keeps saying the same things over and over, ad nauseum, knowing that it'll get a reaction. Any parent knows that the best way to deal with this type of 3-year-old behavior is put the child in time-out, and not respond in any way to the unacceptable behavior. So, from this point on I plan to utterly ignore anything our Robo-boy posts, no matter how imflammatory.

I mean really...it's become a waste of bandwidth and disk space.

Roblaw,

You’ve posted so much crap on this thread I could spent all day pointing out the inaccuracies. However, I have neither the time or inclination. I will make but a few brief (it’s all relative) comments.

Some of your comments about where the different type of girls stand are valid but your experiences on prices you pay and what you can get are palpable nonsense. I have spent 150+ nights in Help over the past 5 or so years. I would use a similar modus operandi to U2man but pay less. Indeed the main attractions for me of Help vis-à-vis a Termas are partying, some of the points Ee2002 touched on, and the availability of TLN (or TAN) for next to nothing.

The only logical conclusion is that you are observant in nightclubs but ugly, or creepy as Jaguar helpfully pointed out.

As for being competent in portuguese I certainly hope your knowledge of the language is greater than English. “Champaign and Bears”, are these new drinks in Help or just indicative of the type of women you attract? I speak reasonable portuguese but am nowhere near fluent and IMO never will be. I’m currently concentrating on ensuring, that when speaking, I use the subjunctive tense in conjunction with verbs expressing doubt, desire and volition, and using the imperfect and future subjunctive to indicate the relative (im)probability of future events. You I presume, are currently ploughing through the collective works of Machado de Assis.

Finally your comments on security are laughable. Miguel Lemos and Xavier da Sivera the most dangerous streets in Copa. You’re having a laugh. Sa Ferreira, Souza Lima, Silvera Campos ring any bells? I’m not saying they’re the most dangerous in Copa but give me the two north of Help anyday. As for this paying a point man nonsense!!

“My stories go on and on”
We’ve noticed.

“This site is to help others with the truth and not not confuse them with BS.”
Any chance of you practicing what you preach whilst you’ve still a smidgen (I’m being kind) of credibility left.

Just for the record (and conspiracy theorist) I’m not American, I’m not black (more branco azedo) and I don’t take money off other tourists.

Will the four or five guys Roblaw is referring to in this conspiracy, please identify themselves.

BT,I gotta disagree with you about one of your top 10 reasons.I learned the hard way about capi vodka at Help,when a couple of my old amigas asked for it,and I only bought it cause it wasn't as much as I thought it would be (only $6r).I never heard of it before(i don't drink) and was thinking it was some expensive drink like smirnoff ice or red bull and vodka (12r),so I initially refused,lol..I gotta admit those termas are smoke houses especially for us dudes from So Cal(no smoking in clubs,bars,etc),but point taken on it getting on your clothes since you only wear a robe,lol..

Termas are a more convenient way of getting a hot babe without the hassles of negotiating and potentially getting ripped off.You can also go back home to the "GF"(for those that go that route)without any evidence of foul play,lol.

But your right on about taking these alley cats to your house,If I lived there I would feel the same way.I'm almost hesitant to take them to my hotel at times,lol...I hate it when they get all that pussy juice,cum,sweat and condoms all over my room,lol.Then some of these chicks want to take advantage and sleep well into the afternoon too.Damn thats annoying but you gotta love them garotas,lol.

Either way I love both the termas and Help,especially after coming back home to the snobby bitches back here in So Cal.

Peace

Something tells me our friend may have joined Turk5555, if you know what I mean.

Jag, you impress me more and more as time goes on. I hope to share laughs and drinks with you in rio in the near future.

You refer to yourself as "the dummy" in the post above...you are definitely NOT "the dummy" here.

I wanted to send Roblaw a PM telling him that I posted what we discussed about last night and guess what? It says his Homepad is private or does not exist. What could that possibly mean? Hmm, I wonder....

It could mean that he finally realized that if he were to need an enema, he is so full of shit that he would have to get an Eviromental Impact Study done before the ole' nozzle could be inserted into his nasty starfish...

(Message edited by blissman on September 28, 2005)

Well, Jaguar, I guess it is okay to say Roblaw posted a long response to yours, and before I finished preparing my message to Hombre requesting that he remove Roblaw's as inappropriate for this board, it disappeared, presumably through the intervention of either Hombre or one of the other moderators. At the same time Roblaw's Homepad also disappeared. Hence my message above about him joining Turk5555 (who was booted sometime ago).

This was rather predictable I think. Earlier today I wrote: "I just hope he [Roblaw] understands there have been others with similar profiles who preceded him, and they eventually were booted from the board." Hmmmm, indeed.

Note, however, I have no inside information about this and am only speculating based on my previous observations of how things work here. It is also possible Roblaw was booted temporarily pending a more detailed analysis by Hombre, or maybe even something else is going on, but in any event I'd be surprised if he will be around to impart anymore of his profound wisdom here.

rb is gone to another board. I was supposed to hook up with rb on his first trip in March but guess what? He didn't want to go to a terma so instead I met up with gr8ter and we hit Solarium and Centaraus. In hindsight not meeting rb might have been the highlight of my trip lol.Should be interesting to read his silly posts elsewhere.

Jag told me a funny story about RL one day. I was going to refrian from telling it but why the hell not:

Jag and Rl were sitting on the beach chatting one day. RL professed to know a whole bunch of Rio regulars and local people real well including me (ivé never met the guy)´. Anyway, Jag says, ¨well, I´m going over to Sandmans Apt. right now, why don´t you join me. RL made up some excuse about having a date or something (I really don´t remember) cause I was laughing so damn hard.

I think Bwana is probably right (hell, he should be). If he returns, we should probably just ignore his posts.

Cool. So, let's return this hijacked thread to the topic of Help.

Bwana,

CH was kind enuogh to send me Roblaw's post for my comment and this is my reponse to them:

Dear Moderator,

Many thanks for forwarding Roblaw's latest piece of fiction. I strongly suggest you remove him from the board because he knows full well that I do not wear designer clothes. I take great offense at him saying that everything I wear is Polo. He knows that is a lie. Other than that everything else he says is 100% accurate!

After I read the preceding paragraph, I feel I should clarify things-- I'm only kidding about him being 100% accurate. Wouldn't it be ironic if you thought I was serious, posted his reply on the board again and let him loose on the board to spew his misinformation. God, what a nightmare that would be.

Thank you for the courtesy of sending me his post and, I have every confidence that you will do the proper thing.

Take care my friends,

Jaguar


Then after realizing that Roblaw might be gone for good, I wrote this email to CH:

Dear Moderator,

If you do boot him, is it possible for me to include exerts from this post in my posts on the board? Actually, his description of himself is a riot.

Please, please let me use some of them. If you feel it necessary, I would clear them with you. You have to admit some parts of his post are priceless.

Once again, many thanks to you and your team for the excellent and professional way you run this board.

Take care my friends,

Jaguar

I received a two word reply: Go ahead

Man, are these guy the greatest!

His first description of himself:

I’m a above average handsome man who is in his early forties but looks like early thirties on a good day. I typically have the problem of getting rid of girls in Rio. Sure there are girls who thought I wanted to have sex with them for free because of the way I look and I know girls who have had bad experiences with good looking guys, but those are advanced stories. But to think this miss-informed asshole suggests a Brazilian girl wants an old man to have sex with is a stupid fantasy only a idiot moron paying for sex can generate.

In case you didn't get a good mental picture of him, he provided the reader with more information:

I’m a Jewish white guy, maybe a seven out of ten, I work out three times a week, two times when in Rio, and look maybe five to ten years younger than I am and as big as ***** in Rio and have no problem dating and having sex with 25 to 30 year olds here in the Sates after that $40 date.

Despite the fact that he used Word, somehow quite a few spelling errors managed to make it into his entire post(look at the word sates above). Guess he doesn't know that something underlinned in red means a misspelling.

This entry has been written on Word and edited, so I can be clear today. And I guess I did write a sentence a few weeks ago that I guess if a moron reads it would suggest Jag may have went to the Villa and did something like have sex there (oh my god what a sin!). Then I guess all you bitches here emailed him telling him he was lying or something stupid like usual, which again explains why you all have to go to a Terma to have sex and can’t even get laid in Help. To correct my self and make myself perfectly clear for all you pussies out there, I meant to say, “like me, Jag would never have sex with a girl in the Villa. I thought process behind this statement is any guy who posts here about having cheap sex thinks price is the only important issue and the cheapest place to have sex in Rio is at the Villa with those real low class scummy girls. Program 28 anybody here?

I just hate it when someone calls me a moron!


He’s not very good looking and wears Polo shirts with Polo logos almost everywhere he goes.

Only half of the above sentence is accurate, I'm not very good looking.

Good-bye Roblaw.

I'm getting a little misty. I feel like we are in a reality show where we have to vote off our least desirable member.

Bwana dik, that'd be helpful. Reading Brazil reports, I have always been fascinated by tales of Help (I LIKES cum-fest all-nighters!): What's the TRUTH on that place? Is the price 150 reals or 600? For girls that look like Moondog's, not the giant-assed blacked-out faces ones.

Bwana dik, that'd be helpful. Reading Brazil reports, I have always been fascinated by tales of Help (I LIKES cum-fest all-nighters!): What's the TRUTH on that place? Is the price 150 reals or 600? For girls that look like Moondog's, not the giant-assed blacked-out faces ones.

how can you guys even give mention to the whole testing thing????

girls are being tested even monthly for a disease that has a minimum of 2-3 months coming on (what's that called - gestation?).

i mean, a person can acquire full blown aids/hiv and tests likely can fail to show results for 2-3 months.

so who cares if she's tested daily/weekly/monthly at termas or help?

Porker-

Are you baiting me? The TRUTH? Too funny!

Anyways, the price is somewhere between 150 and 600 for an all-nighter. Some will ask for 300-400 and not budge. Some will ask for 300-400 and negotiate down to anywhere between 150-300. Some will take a liking to you and start low. Some will never mention money and will be happy with whatever you give them the next day. Some will quote you a price and then try to renegotiate UP once back at your place.

As far as I can tell (I've only been going to the place for 10 years or so) there's no science and only a little art to how prices get set. I watched one particular stunner turn down an Italian guy who was offering 400. She came over to me and asked me if I was going to take her home. I laughed and said "not for more than 400." She laughed and said "that's a special price for guys I don't like. It's 250 for you." Why did I get a deal? Who the fuck knows! She said she prefers older Americans to young Italians, but who knows why she did what she did. I don't understand how women think, and I sure as hell don't follow the logic of GPs, and anyone who says they do is delusional (kind interpretation) or full of shit (more likely).

Having said that, "on average" I suspect you'd find that the Moondog-type honeys would get somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 for a cum-fest all-nighter.

But what have you got against giant asses?

Not baiting, just, as you mentioned, hoping to cut through the SHIT in this thread and get some straight info. Thanks.

(Message edited by hard2no on October 03, 2005)

FLhobbyer,

I want to respond to several points in your post:

1. There is no true incubation period with HIV infection. This was previously thought many years ago before improved testing and knowledge of the disease. We now have a VERY good idea where the disease first begins multiplying and the most current testing is very reliable with positive and negative results.

2. You will not have full blown AIDS and test negative. With full blown AIDS you will have a viral load that is through the roof! You will also have illnesses associated/brought about by the HIV virus. You will be one SICK PUPPY if you have full blown AIDS! You can be HIV+ and have very few or no symptoms of your status.

It is also very rare in this day and age with the sensitivity of the testing that you will be HIV positive and test negative. With that please don't take this as an advertisement to participate in risky behavior. It's very hard to kill someone with blanks in a gun but it can happen!!! Also, I don't want to take the chance of there being real bullets in the chamber! So put on the kevlar and riot gear and enjoy the show!



And gestation is the period of time a female is pregnant...



(Message edited by hard2no on October 03, 2005)

gestation incubation, tomato tomato ;)
ok, good points... but,

is it possible that a girl in her once a month testing can have hiv (maybe obtained a couple of weeks ago) and either have a test failing to show it? or have no test at all as she's only tested once/month (approx.)?


or, maybe the testing used by these less expensive (once/month) labs the termas may require are not the super sensitive/modern once you reference in your post?

testing is a nice little side note in the 'termas are great' argument. but to put any weight on the testing issue in a help vs. termas comparative argument is pretty faulty imo.

Like my old sex ed teacher in high school used to say, "if it's wet and not yours, don't touch it".

A garota in a terma could have an STD. You could trip on the stairs on entry and break your neck. You could slip in the floor in your favorite relaxation room and end up with Sweetmesquite's wine bottle impaled in your chest cavity. You might choke while having dinner, you might be choked by a mugger on the street after dinner.

My point? Lots of variables to deal with. If you are concerned about catching STDs, then wear a rubber for all cabine activity. If you're not concerned, go without. If you're like most Rio vets, you'll play the odds and go bareback on the BJ and cover up for fucking. I know guys who chose different options. What I do know is this - in over 10 years of mongering, I've never met a guy who caught anything worse than herpes, and both of those two guys never went near a puta in their lives, they contracted it from civilian gringas. Sure, I know plenty of guys who have had crabs, the clap, a few undefined UTIs, that sort of thing. But by my unscientific sample of scumbag friends, I have not seen any greater prevelence of STDs in mongers fucking hookers than with guys fucking girls from bars, clubs, supermarkets, gyms and workplaces.

Like my old sex ed teacher in high school used to say, "all guys who get a lot of tail will eventually catch crabs".

FLhobbyer and Hard2no...

Just wanted to clear up a few misconceptions about your discussion on HIV testing.

1. Incubation period, if you're talking about when HIV antibody levels are detectable, varies with the individual, but "typically" is from 2-3 weeks to 3-6 months. Having said that, there are cases on records where it's taken 10 years before the virus is expressed after exposure, but such cases are rare.

2. Actually you can have full blown AIDS and test negative. At least if you are talking about antibody testing (which is the most common type of testing that is done). What happens is that the subject's immune system has literally collapsed and they are no longer capable of producing antibody. They'll also likely be pretty sick, and probably already well aware of their situation, not that there might be ulterior motives for them to attempt to hide their status from a customer, if they are a sex worker. In such individuals, their viral load will be very high. Conversely, individuals who are on HAART (Highly Aggressive Anti-Retroviral Therapy) will occasionally test negative in both antibody testing and sometimes even in antigen testing, because the therapy has been so effective in combatting the virus. However, if they were to discontinue the therapy, in a couple weeks they would display virus & antibody levels detectable once again, indicating they were not in fact cured.

3. The accuracy (or more specifically, "sensitivity", if you're talking about ability to detect positives) of most of the HIV tests from reputable diagnostics companies, and those approved in Europe, Japan and the U.S., is better than 99% so the likelihood that someone is HIV positive but tests negatives is low, but it is possible, as indicated by points 1 and 2 above. That's why you shouldn't rely on an HIV test result, even if you're the one who tested the individual, to assume it is safe to have unprotected sex with them.

In addition to all the other usual STD's, the other one I'd be concerned about (because it's not curable) is Hepatitis (mostly Hep B and C). You can be vaccinated pretty effectively for Hep B, assuming you seroconvert (I have been and I have), but not for Hep C, or a variety of other less common Hepatitis types. Although it may not be as deadly as HIV, Hepatitis is not without risk as it can cause serious damage to your liver, to the point that you'll need a liver transplant, and they are one of the riskier transplant operations.

Without going into detail, I have a considerable amount of experience in this area, so with all due modesty, I'm speaking with some expertise here. Bottom line is that if you aren't using protection, you're taking an unnecessary risk, but in the end, every person has to take responsibility for him/herself.