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Scooby, it really depends on your card, whatever ATM I use I get the same exchange rate, at least with my 5 cards, although I normally only use one for overseas FX transactions and keep the others for problems.

I choose a debit card back in 2000 with no charges on each transaction, the only charge they make is 0.5% off whatever the FX market is showing for the Peso to British Pound.

You can find cards like this by looking up the best deal tables in financial magazines and websites etc.

Many cards like to hide their charges by giving you THEIR exchange rate, which can be several percent less than what the FA market is showing, many also charge a fixed fee for each transaction, wether it is 100,000 pesos or 500,000 pesos.

Go to POMONO the supermarket in Oviedo, it is on the R/H corner, lower lever, there is a Davienda ATM there that will give out 500,000 pesos, presuming your card works on it.

Hunter

Mentira acqui.

The burn rate on my money has been wayyyyyy too high as I came in on the same flight and was hanging with the "Vikings" who rolled into town for a 4 day fuck fest. It was non-stop drinking and fucking for 3 days. For example, first night involved dinner and drinking, Mangoes and drinking then finally Face Dos and drinking. The bar tab at Face Dos alone was just under 1 million pesos. More on that later.

Things have quieted down a little bit, but it is the weekend again. ClemsonTiger, Relapse and the boys want to push it up a notch. I will say that the Tiger is a good looking guy and gets fucking attacked by the women here. As another here said, "lucky that I got a wallet personality."

Now only waiting for the Radioman tour of the streets, though I must say, it is not my thing.

The "Vikings" were there when I was at the Mansion in March. Nice guys but they are the cock blocks that I was referring to.

They have a tendancy to nab the girl you are working on when you head off to the bathroom or to get something to drink.

Again nice guys, but if they are there when I am in June, we may come to blows!

I'd be interested in your comments.

Well, they did flirt with everyone and anyone. I guess the situation is, did they invite them to the party or did you ?

The other thing was,on this trip anyhow, that the Vikings layed out the money for the food and the booze. People were coming and going drinking their booze and eating their food. It was noticed, but did not get dealt with until they became party crashers the next day.

Even with the mango dancers that came to put on a show. The audience for the most part said that they would not have partaken in festivities if they thought they had to pay. Well, after you've watched the show and after you've eaten the pizza and drank the fuckin' red bulls.......its too late to be saying shit like that. Though still not many reached into their wallet.

My question is, who do some of these people think pay for these things ?

(Message edited by scrubb on May 06, 2006)

Hi guys

Berrysterry thats his name in ISG international sex guideused my logon without my permissionin , and he´s an asshole, I had to use the bathroom last night at the mansion in my shared room and it was occupied. I went to the other shared bathroom and berrysterry said fuck you use your own bathroom. I told him it was occupied and he said I don´t give a fuck use your own. I got pissed and pushed him asided and went in anyway . He ran down like a little girl and complained to the night sucurity guard that I shoved him aside to use the shared bathroom when he was said he was using it in which he lied he was comming out of it..

I was just drunk enough to get pissed while he was crying to the sucurity guard to go down stairs and confront him. The little bitch was bitching about me using his bathroom I pushed him he pushed back so I said lets go out side and settle this like men . I walked outside and he never came the coward.

I got kicked out of the Mansion the ext morning and was told either I move to the castillo or they will find other arrangements for me at another hotel.

Now let me say that Greg who had to make the desission to split us up was totally gracious and I do not have anything but the utmost respect for Greg / Robert . They had to make a desicion and I got the short end of the stick. But to preserve harmony I agreed to go to the Castillo where Robert has been totally cool.

It all started when Berrystrry me relaspe and a few others were sitting by the pool and we were all talking about politics Berry did not like something I said and flipped me the bird. I told him I don´t know what its like in canada where you are from but to filp someone the bird in America is quite an insult. He could not let it drop once I explained he had to carry a grudge.

Any of you that encounters him know this He´s a fuckin asshole and kick him in the ass for me.

Scooby

PS. I should let this drop but I really want to kick his ass

Scrubb

I agree with you completly I gave both the Vikings denerio for the party and Greg for the Dancers but alot of others were freeloaders. It isn't right for them to come in and expect everything for free.

Sniper

They did try to hit on the girl I had brought with me to Mango's. I had a little talk with them and they did appoligized and backed off. if you put it to them in very strong language now Im not talking about cussing but just tell them "she's with me and if you keep hitting on her there WIll be trouble". then they will back off

By the time I saw them again, he already fucked her. Really a pain in the ass.

If I run into them again, I'll lay the groundrules right away.

Lesson learned.

Hey, here I am at home and I did'nt get the Radioman tour of the Medellin streets. I guess in all fairness, it is tough to do with Anna Marie stuck on "Mr Winky". Though, I did get the Medellin Bob tour of the streets.

Azguy and I arrive at 7:30 friday night, my assumption is that by the time we clear customs and get to the Torrepoblado it will be 9:30.

Most of the massage parlors appear to be closed/closing by then. Where would you seasoned veterans suggest for a first night in town?

I was thinking Lejano Oriente or a strip club or another casa?

Or just find a great restaurant practice our spanish and relax for a few hours and then hit a strip club/casa?

Mangos seems to be a place to bring a date, so it will probably be an option for later after we have met a few "linda mujeres" during our stay who can accompany us.

Also some slight confusion between Face II (strip club) and Fase Dos F-2(casa). Are both highly recommended? I have read a lot of reports and they seem easily intermixed.

thanks
whitty

The strip club is fun and has some nice looking girls.

Entrance fee is $5,000 pesos
Closes at 3:00 am

Normally, we asked the girls to come back to our place to avoid the exit fee. The only problem is that you have to wait until 3:00 am for that to happen. YOu have to be discreet about that. Just leave and have them meet you back at your place.

The charges for alcohol are all over the place depending on what the waiter thinks he can rip you off for.

Beer should be $8,000 pesos but I've been charged up to 20,000 for one there. Being stupid, I paid it, but after some argument.

Fase II is the correct spelling of the strip club. Fase Dos or F2 as far as I know, is just another of the same strip club. I'm not aware of any casa called Fase Dos.

Maybe the confusion is the strip club also has on-site rooms - but it's a strip club not a casa.

I've always had good luck there. Never used the on-site rooms - always brought the girl back to my place.

There were a lot of hotties when I was there as well.

Prices for beer were a bit high for Medellin, but I thought it was a good place overall.

Whitty,

Since you are staying at Torre Poblado, I would walk over to Parque Lleras and spend a few hours drooling. Then I'd cab over to Grill San Diego which is nearby. I don't much like strip clubs but the street girls hanging around there are plentiful between around 11 pm and 3 am. The SGs there are happy with 40K for short time.

Just returned from my first trip to Colombia. I have appreciated all the information I was able to gleen from this site so I thought I'd better add a post of my thoughts in the hope that it might be informative to another newbie.
My friend and I had planned to spend three nights at the Mansion and then 7 days in Cartagena. It didn't quite work out that way.
We really liked Medellin and really disliked Cartagena so we ended up only two days there and the rest in Medellin. Here's some impressions of our time there:
Medellin is one of the most beautiful cities I've ever seen. About 3.5 million people live there, much more than I had imagined. Red brick buildings sprawl up and down the mountainsides and the city looks like it should be in Eastern Europe somewhere. And it's CLEAN. No litter or graffiti anywhere. The streets are all in perfect condition, cabs are all metered and dirt cheap. It's a modern metropolis. And the people are beautiful as well. They look nothing like Mexicans which is what I expected. They, too look as if they were from Eastern Europe - Prague or Budapest. Beautiful women everywhere. The first night we had dinner at La Triada in Parke Jiares. The place was full and 80% of the diners were women between 18 and 30. There was not a fatty or an ugly amongst them. If one had some game and spoke fluent Spanish it would be heaven on earth. We stayed at the Mansion and that was a great experience as well. It's a beautiful place, the rooms are excellent and it would be quite inexpensive if it were only a hotel. Of course it's much more - a fraternity of like minded guys, some of which were a bit weird, most of whom were really nice, and all of which were interesting and added much to the experience. The service and hospitality offered by Greg and Lena and the rest of the staff is way above and beyond the call of duty. Greg arranged some sort of outing or activity almost every night so you had a group to go out with. You could absolutely vacation there alone and, within hours have met new friends to hang out with. Of course there's a steady flow of girls coming and going all the time. I think I was there during the slow season though because, although they were all sweethearts, I didn't see anything really exceptional - certainly nothing above an 8. One thing I noticed is a lot of the girls (not just at the Mansion but everywhere), even the really young ones, have a pooch - a little extra fat around the belly- which is a big turn off for me. It seems to me that if they expect to make a living with their bodies they might want to spend some time at the gym.
Nor was I impressed with the girls at the clubs. Face Dos is a dive where, for some inexplicable reason, they blow fake smoke on you constantly. Most of the girls are just plain fat although there were two or three that were doable (30 minutes for 150k on site). Only one girl dances at a time (not 20 or 30 like Thailand)and then, despite being ugly and unable to dance, comes around expecting a tip. The only other strip joint that seemed to be open was San Diego which is really a shithole with absolutely nothing I'd fuck for free. For several blocks around this club the streets are filled with street girls - hundreds of them. You can imagine that if they are not good enough to work inside San Diego how bad these chicas are. The streetgirl mystique is a mystery to me. In the entire time I was there I saw no good ones including those select few that guys brought back to the Mansion. The one ray of light (besides the non pros that you might find at the shopping malls) was the Casa called Loutron. This is a very classy daytime whorehouse where you will be able to choose from anywhere from two to 15 girls (get there early, aroung 2:00 is perfect)and there are usually some 8's and 9's to be had. It's 150K for an hour in the girl's room (all those I saw were quite nice and clean if a bit hot). I was there several times and each time the girl was beautiful and provided outstanding girl friend like service. I suspect this might vary depending on if they liked you or were the slightest bit attracted to you but at the very least you could expect them to work hard to make you a happy camper. I checked out 5 or 6 other casas including Energy and none had anything over a 5. Mostly all fat and ugly. After sitting through the whole linepup at the first two casas we then just asked them to show us the Flaca chicas (skinny ones). That at least limited the time we had to sit in these stink holes to about a minute since there were very few who had the nerve to show themselves and none of those were flaca. Bottom line - streetgirls and casa girls (except Loutron) are cheaper but what difference does it make if they're ugly (unless you like that sort of thing). Best bet is to just stay at home at the Mansion and order in - at least you can see a photo of them first and be assured of getting at least a 7 in your own room - and it'snot any more expensive than going out to say, Face Dos.
When you're not mongering around there's not too much to do in Medellin. I had hoped to play some golf during the daytime but found that there are no public courses there. There are, I guess, four private clubs and I was lucky enough to meet a really nice guy who was kind enough to take me to his club. If your Spanish is good then stalking chicas at the Mall would be excellent daytime sport. There's a very nice mall - Ovieda - about two blocks from the Mansion. The couryard restaurant there - Cafe Gris - has surprisingly excellent food. Just a couple of other observations before I leave this wonderful city and dump on Cartagena. The weather in Medellin was perfect. Although we were there during the rainy month - it rained for a few hours each afternoon/evening - it was about 75 each day. No one dresses up. You need only jeans, T shirts, polos and maybe a light jacket. Overall I liked the city, had a great time, met some good people and I will for sure be back.
Cartgena: Before I share my dissapointment with this city I should confess that we flew up there on Monday (you can get a flight from the airport right in downtown Medellin - you don't need to drive an hour to MDE)during the slow season. We had the use of a friend's 4 bedroom house right in the old city so we were looking forward to filling it with chicas night and day. It didn't work out that way. Monday night we headed out to check out all the places I'd read such glowing reports about. We checked them all out. Fat and ugly, fat and ugly nada mas. There wasn't a soul in LDV, not even a fatty (this was about 11:00, we were way too discouraged by then to even think about staying up half the night for fat and ugly). Of course we did meet Tony there. We get out of the cab and his lookout (yeah, he has a lookout just like a drug dealer) runs up to the Casino to tell him two suckers are coming. Here he comes with his line of bullshit, following us relentlessly, refusing to take no for an answer (like I'm going to pay him for fat and ugly which I know is what he has because I've seen his girls pics posted). What a scumbag. At the beach the next day we avoided him by taking refuge in one of the beach resraurants (we had to tell the owner that we would leave if he didn't protect us from Tony and the other obnoxious touts). It was an overcast day and there were no girls on the beach anyway. We went out again Tues. night and the same thing. No girls. This is a nice city, especially the old city which looks like Havana or even a little like New Orleans. It is hot and humid. Our house had only ceiling fans and it was miserable. The people look more like Mexicans with a mixture of blacks - nothing like Medellin. You can't escape the touts and they drive me crazy. There were no women that we could find. And worst of all there is apparently no fishing. I had hoped to do some deep sea fishing while there. There is no organized sport fishing industry. We went to the marina to try to arrange for a boat and ran into an American who keeps his boat there. He told us the place was fished out and the prospect of catching anything was slim. Besides, a boat with lousy tackle was $600 for 6 hours so we didn't fish. In fact, we beat it back to Medellin on the first available flight. I'm sure I'll have plenty of disagreement about my impressions but I'm just calling them as I see them. I only wish it could have been better. Hope this is some help to someone.

I'm headed back in June, I'm hoping that the positive experience I had back in March isn't tarnished by a lack of chicas in the off season.

I have my novia if needed!

Fase Dos was actually really good when I was there. Tons of girls and in good shape. Kind of suprised by your evaluation. Probably the time of year.

If you ever go back, have Lina pull out her black book. She can hook you up.

Does Lina's black book have pictures of the girls?

Actually I don't think so. Its just a lot of numbers.

She does have good taste though, I asked her for something specific and she showed up. Exactly what I wanted.

Funny thing though, I didn't see fat girls with a pouch at all when I was there.

Even Club San Diego, which was obviously not as nice as Fase Dos, had some good lookers.

I only was put off by the street girls. Some of them were a little rough.

Guess we won't see Steve again.

"When you're not mongering around there's not too much to do in Medellin." Not much to do in a metro area of 3 million? What do you suppose the natives do? I have spent about 8 weeks in MDE over 3 years and have yet to get bored.

In general Monday night is the worst night in CTG. You will rarely find anyone in LDV at 11:00 pm. Nothing really happens in CTG until midnight. I couldn't take a night in CTG without AC, and I have lived here for 3 years.

"The people look more like Mexicans with a mixture of blacks..." Steve must love Mexicans and Blacks.

Colombia is not a point-and-shoot sex orgy. If that is what you want, go to Brazil or SEA. It takes a little more work here. But you can be richly rewarded for the effort.

I totally agree with TomTom. Steve how could you ever find yourself bored in Medellin. I was there 15 days & I was never bored or lonely for that matter, there is tons of stuff to do and see. If you waited for other mongers to make up their minds you'll be sitting at the Mansion ALL DAY. I have never met a bigger bunch of guys who could not agree on what to do in my life. I just figured out where I wanted to go got directions from Lina had her write them in spanish for the cabbies and off I went. If one of the other guys hopped in the cab with me far out, otherwise I wasn't waiting for anyone.

Steve, check out Buenos Aires. It is next on my list of cities to do. Girls, good beef and good fishing (from what I have read).

Dunno, but from what I had observed, your friend C. appeared to enjoy himself

Hey, don't get me wrong, I had a great time in Medellin (thought I said as much). There's lots to do at night. Days were a little slow. I did explore the city while I was there, hit the mall a few times and, I'm sure, missed 99% of what the city has to offer. While some guys might like going to museums, shopping or girl watching at the malls, or stalking paint huffing street wenches during the daytime, my perfect day would have been a round of golf, a dusting off at Loutrons and a little nap before dinner. As I mentioned there aren't any public courses there and although I played at a private course it was really wet and muddy due to the daily rainfall. As far as my impressions of the girls I guess it's a matter of taste. What's fat to me might be love handles to someone else. I will say, compared to most countries, the U.S. included, there are remarkably few overweight women in Medillin. But if they want my pesos they need to have a flat belly! So, different strokes for different folks!

You must have been there at a bad time. Besides one mishap with one girl (she looked better with clothes on), every girl had rock hard bodies. I mean every one!

Give it another try, this time not in the rainy season.

That being said, I'm on my way back during the rainy season (in about 4 weeks). I'll report again on my findings.

I am in MDE with Whitty and this place is great! Cant wait to post the pics we got last night! AZ

not been to mde but been to ctg... last time i went to ldv on monday after a "ley seca" dry law after an election there were easily around 50+ chicas and maybe 4 guys. a total mix from 6-9 on my scale. ps i can't bear skinny waifs - and i saw plenty in ldv, and all week there.

golf??? fishing??? find a different forum dude...

looking forward to going to MDE and fucking the brains out of exciting, dangerous, dirty street ho's....

I've heard mixed reports about cartegena. Keep meaning to go, but will try to next time.

O.K....I've recovered enough to plan another trip. Going to see the 'Feria de las Flores' last week of July and first week of August. O.K. not really but this time planning to hit Peirera too.

Having women twice a day for 12 days with little sleep and too much alcohol was tiring as hell.

This time down, I am restricting myself to once a day.

Good News !...I think.

I've totalled my bill for my first 12 day trip to Medellin, and it came out to about $3,000.00

I did not go after any street girls, but I did get some bulk prices on some girls.

I provided or split the seed money for 5 parties. Most of it non recoverable.

I did'nt eat as much as I thought I was going to. A freaking omlette in the morning was enough to kill the appetite for a loooong time...so I had to stop eating omlettes after a few days.

I did win some money at the casino!

I did'nt buy any clothing or souvenirs.

I may have gottened hosed once or twice by bartenders and at least twice by cabbies.

All in all, I was pleasantly surprised....though, cheaper is always better.

When I landed in LA on my return from Colombia, customs tore apart my stuff and went through all the photos in my camera. They said it was routien but I was the only one on the whole plane they singled out. I had lots of pics of girls that I had sessioned with & they passed it from one another looking at them. They asked how old each of the girls were and gave me a funny look when I told them they were all over 19. After about an hour and a half they finialy let me go.

well today two agents from homeland security showed up at my house and told me they wanted to check out my PC. They had some form that they wanted me to sign that gave them permission to look through it or remove it from my house. They said if I did not allow them they would get a federal warrent. I called my brother who is familiar with the Law and he said to let them get a warrent. I have lots of business and financial data on it and I did not think it was any of their business. I figure if they had anything they would have showed up with a warrent. What do you guys think.

Scooby; I think you may be screwed. Smart move by saying NO! Never ever let any law enforcment types come into your house without a search warrant.

Even if they do not return with a warrant, you should plan on being delayed by the customs people whenever you return from an overseas trip in the future as your passport may have been flagged.

Just curious what agency in the DHS did they say they were from?

RG.

I have been subjected to this LAX sex tourist search twice upon returning from the PI. I think it is a policy to make suspected sex tourists as uncomfortable as possible.

There was an article in Sundays LA Times where the US State department was on Germany's case about prostitution. They said it was about human trafficking during the World Cup but that Germany's legal prostitution was inherently dehumanizing and should be re-criminalized

Folks, we are living in a Fundamentalist Protestant theocracy. Come on 2008.

Scooby: VegasGator and I posted messages in South America chat you may want to take a look at. Both posts essentially suggest you should invoke your constitutional rights fully if these fuckers show up again.

LAGuy, any way you can post a link to those messages? I wasn't able to find them, maybe post them here also? Thanks.

Holly Shit! That IS scary! From a selfish point of view, Scooby 1781, how many days was it after your return back from Columbia did the Federal Agents show up at your door? I am curious because I had my Laptop searched at SFO on 5/31/06.

This is insane! Has this happeded to anyone else?

Sorry, the chat posts were in Asia chat, not SA.

scoob besides reading your rights, you may want to do a little computer housekeeping. Good luck.

I had my laptop searched at LAX when I returned from Costa Rica 6 weeks ago. There were many bargirl pics topless on my laptop, and I commented to the agent that they were all legal age. He made some remark about it being difficult to tell sometimes, and I agreed with him.

He spent about 10 minutes typing into a computer before clearing me to go.

I did not get searched a couple of days ago when I returned from Thailand. I thought that after my first search, my passport would have been flagged so I was expecting a search this time.

As DM just mentioned, I now take some computer encrypting and housekeeping measures on the plane coming back home. That should eliminate any cursory search.

Are they allowed to search your computer at the airport?

Mitchc: If you are talking about U.S. customs at the airport on entry to the U.S. the answer is yes.

This seems quite intrusive. Is this new? They could sit there and legally read your e-mails if they wanted to?

The law is not new. What appears to be new is the degree to which they are targeting people they believe are sex tourists for this treatment.

Not only is this practice of examining laptops intrusive personally, but it potentially is intrusive from various business perspectives. Are customs really allowed to look at documents on your computer that contain trade secrets? Are they allowed to look at materials protected by the attorney-client privilege if on an attorney's computer? While as a general matter they can read your emails (at least as far as I know) I wonder about how far they can go with respect to otherwise protected business documents. I fear the answer, but don't know it.

I read on another board a customs agent asked whether a laptop included business or personal matter, and when he was told business, decided against searching it. Whether this represents a policy Customs is operating under, or the individual judgment of the customs officer, I don't know, but IMHO it is something worth tracking.

This whole subject just proves that allowing the government any sort of rights to invade your privacy ALWAYS results in some form of abuse. The Patriot Act (what a name, talk about marketing) was suppose to be about detecting terrorists and that's it. We all know that various special interest groups on both sides of the aisle can hardly wait to apply their own special doctrines of what is good and bad. The fact that people from Homeland Security would show up at someone's door on a task that has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism shows why governments are inherently bad and only get worse as they grow in size.

If they went to the trouble to show up at his house, they must think they're going to find something if they can search his machine(s). I'm betting they'll be back with a warrant if they can get a judge to write them one.

Damn shame the constitution doesn't provide for protection against unreasonable search. Oh yeah, that's right, it did - back in the day when the courts actually treated it like it meant something.

I think the other way. If they showed up and asked, and didn't stay while retreiving and securing the property and get a warrant, then they were fishing. If they had enough to take it they would have. I doubt they asked him to please don't format/rewrite your hard drive with a DOD x 7 security clean program so we can search it later. Just my two cents.

Joseph

How many people are on the payroll of DHS? I find it hard to believe they have the cycles to run around the country seaching tourists .jpg files... If so, I can think of a perfect budget cut

Roadglide

They were from the customs department of DHS

Metalboots

I landed at LAX at 11:45:pm May 9th. They showed up at my door on 6/6/06 pretty scarry them picking that day. I have not heard anything from them since. I don't know how long it takes to get a federal warrent.

Check this out

You know what else about an hour after they showed up a generic public utilites truck showed up in front of my house. From that time till this morning my phone started ackting weird not letting calls get through. it would ring once real short then when you picked it up there was no one there. My friend called me on my cell and said "whats wrong with your stupid phone. It rang then just stoped then said it was no longer in service. I have also been calling my novia in Medellin that I met on my trip every few days. I think they just were on a fishing trip as jusjoseph said but it is still pretty scarry.

Ive had that sinking feeling of impending doom in the pit of my stomach since they were here.

Scobby; You make your first trip out of the U.S. and this happens.

Just think about all the personal attention you are going to get when you travel in the future.

What do you think of your government now?

RG.

Scoob

It's time to face the dark side of "Conservative-ism". It tarts itself up with xenophobic rants disguised as "patriotism". It hides it's intolerance, hate of sexuality and disregard of personal liberty with a warped sense of "moral values" that are anything but. Stuff that belies its Name.

I have not had the pleasure of a home visit but I have experienced the same fun at the airport.

I'll concede "Liberalism" is not any better. You have to face the complexities that life gives us and always suspect that everyone has an agenda that they want to cram down your throat.

While the ACLU (http:http://www.aclu.org/) may not be on your list of agencies that you want to contribute to, there are some resources there that may help you feel better about dealing with the complications that this hobby has visited upon you.

Good Luck.

Here is an interesting article regarding a less than opprobrious view of prostitution in Medellin, as well as an opinion on Aussie Greg, the proprietor of Colombian Love Connection and Medellin Mansion, in http://colombia-reports.blogspot.co...n-from-low.html

“It used to be only women from a low social class who charged for sex, now it is all social classes. It is no longer stigmatized as something lower class. Before they did it because they didn’t have work, now many young girls do it simply because they want pocket money to spend on discos, designer clothes, plastic surgery, etc. When a woman is beautiful they often fall into this life. We are acquiring this culture which worries me, like in Cuba and Rio de Janeiro.”

“Marco”, a nightclub owner, talking about the phenomenon of the “prepagos” in Medellín, middle-class girls, often models, who work as prostitutes. It has only really taken off in the last few years. The University of Eafit, supposedly the best university in the city, is particularly known for this.

“The have always looked for rich men, obviously, but didn’t charge money. Then the next day they would start crying, saying. “I don’t have enough for university”, etc. Or they would say, “Give me a present,” such a watch, clothes, a ticket to Cartagena or Miami. There are various levels. But now it has changed because they are losing the shame, and they are no longer embarrassed to charge money. It can be 50,000 pesos ($22) or less, up to 200 million pesos ($88,000) for someone such as a famous model who is on the TV. Who pays them? Drug traffickers. No one else has that kind of money.”

There are, if you look for them, agencies, and web sites who manage this kind of business and charge a commission, but mostly it is done by word of mouth and personal recommendations. “Someone has to vouch for the client,” Marco said. Is organised crime involved in it? “Yes, but only as the clients... These women don’t care about education, manners, looks; money is enough, only money. With money it is all possible. Some of them do that thing where they hit you with sticks- what do you call that?”
“Fetishism?”
“Yeah.”

“Pablo” is a director of the Zona Rosa Corporation, which looks after the interests of bars, restaurants and clubs in the Zona Rosa, the city’s main night spot. He told the Daily Journal that everyone who moves in those circles has numbers of some prepagos, “Medellín is a city of models. Plastic surgery has really taken off in the last ten years, and the concept of beauty has changed. For your birthday now, they give you bigger breasts. You can get plastic surgery on credit, as with a car, or a mortgage, pay 50,000 pesos ($22) for month. It can be viewed as a kind of investment.”

“Michelle”, 22, was operated on just last week. It cost $1,500. She has been working as a prepago for about a year and half. She claims to have slept with the FARC commander known as El Mono, and one of the Castaño brothers (founders of the AUC), as well as various drug traffickers and businessmen. She has been to one of the fincas of “Macaco”, one of Colombia’s top paramilitaries, in the company of several other girls. “No one in my family knows.”

She hopes to meet someone who will treat her well, preferably a foreigner. “There is an agency called Colombian Love Connection run by an Australian. He’s very good-looking, but he’s a dog. You hardly earn anything, but people do it for the contacts… I’ve got friends who have married a Italian, a gringo and a Canadian.”

She asked if I wanted to go to a strip club with her. I made my excuses and left.

(For The Daily Journal)

Scooby's link is broken..Try this one.

http://colombia-reports.blogspot.com/2005/12/it-used-to-be-only-women-from-low.html

RG.

Thanks Roadglide

Hi. I'm investigating moving to Colombia -- but not MDE. Yes I love MDE but I travel too much and Bogota has a much better airport and you don't have to worry about mudslides getting to the airport, only traffic.

In any case with all the folks moving to Colomiba I was wondering if someone could give me the latest recomendation on what I need to do to obtain a cedula extranjera.

It seems that if I had one it would make my life a whole lot easier. Also I may need one to get a bank account, credit card, etc. - correct? I know if you have a local credit card you can pay for your Avianca reservations on-line and the flights between Bogota and MDE are a lot cheaper ;)

Cheers,
D

You do need a cedula to open a bank account. I had a helluva time trying to open an account at Conavi even with a cedula. They also required a copy of my Colombian tax return, and a letter of certification from the accountant who did the return. Then they dicked around for 8 to 10 weeks before finally approving me.

You get a cedula by obtaining a VISA. There are many types of VISAs that you could get. I have a Rentista. You need to apply for the initial VISA outside of Colombia. Subsequent renewals can be obtained without leaving Colombia.

If you are going to live in colombia for more then 180 days you need to have a visa. With a visa you can get a cedula extranjera. Life in Colombia is much easier with a cedula. I lived in Bogota for 2 years with a student visa. A cedula allowed me to use my credit card easily and even helped me out of a couple of jams with the Police. I still use my cedula when I travel to colombia even though it has expired.

The difficult thing is getting the Visa. I recommend checking out poorbuthappy.com before you move. It is a wealth of info on many different subjects on living in colombia.

Regarding the bank account. I first opened an account at Davienda with my passport. I believe each bank has a different policy as I had many "amigos extranjeros" and they all had different results by bank.

I pretty familiar with Bogota so, if I can help let me know. Good luck!

Guess what I had an EPIPHANY!!!

Its a very simplistic reason, why we go abroad to places like Brazil, Colombia, SEA etc. and buy sex. Its because most of us are just plain sick & tired of dealing with american women and their crappy attitudes. American women come with tons of baggage. We are fed up with dealing with their neurotic idiosyncrasies of feministic materialism, who are not happy unless they are casteratiing us, feminizing us and making us feel guilty about everything. IN OTHER WORDS THEY ARE A ROYAL PAIN IN THE ASS.

Its funny, american TV shows are all full of sexual innuendo. They portray the fact that if your not getting any or you don't have a live in girl friend or if your not a fag, your abnormal. Yet they vilify us mongeres who pay for sex. I believe its a contrived conspiracy by those same neurotic materialistic feminists who are heading up the mongerer vilification movement, because more and more red blooded american males are heading to foriegn countries to buy sex and not spending their hard earned money on them. Therefore, they can't make themselves feel better by making us miserable. The catch 22 is they are the ones who are chasing us away HA!!

Therefore we head to simpler places where a man is still a man, and women know how to treat us like the men we are born to be. AARRGH

Scooby

If your "epiphany" means to suggest that feminists have been responsible for pressures on the adult industry and tangentially any activity regarding adult-related travel, you couldn't be more wrong and further from the truth. Given your past political postings, though, I could see why you would need to find a scapegoat for the policies of the people you voted into office.

The sexually-repressed religious right has had their priorities elevated at this time when all three branches of government are REPUBLICAN, and it has absolutely nothing to do with feminists. The crackdowns on pornography, the global gag rule, withholding of funds for not disavowing prostitution (see Brazil discussion), focus on eliminating gay marriage, possibility of court-martialing for a soldiers visiting prostitutes, etc... This is all part of the Right's war regarding morality.

Ah but you are the one who is wrong!! The religious right is not responsible for anything and everything is blamed on them. Its the feminazis and there secret agenda to destroy the manhood of man. Im also thinking the fags are with then in their crusade to destroy this patrical society we live in. Their still pissed about being blamed for the spreading of the aids virus and are trying to hide their culpability by taking the public eye off of themseves. We are expected to accepted homosexuality as the norm where in reality it is a disease that needs to be stomped out. They want to castrate us and take our manhood & stomp it like a grape under the foot of lady liberty!!!

Scooby; You really need to take off your blinders. Dude WAKE UP. You really don't think that it was the feminazis that caused you grief at customs do you? Hell no!! it's the right wing bible thumpers out there that are pushing their social agenda on America.

After 9/11 there are times that I think that the U.S. attack on Iraq had nothing to do with WMD's, and that this "war on terrorism" is more of a Christian vs Muslim war.

RG.

Gone to hell in a handbasket.

Stop the political horseshit. This is not the place.

RG,

In his last post Scooby is being facetious.
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I certainly don't intend to minimize the dangers of the religious right...they are certainly the enemies of freedom.

However, when you read the assertions and allegations of the numbers of women "forced" into prostitution, the claims of the prevalence of child prostitution, etc, look at who's doing the studies and who's funding them. And where are they first published without being challenged?

In my observation, it is usually women's studies groups, and female sociologists using dubious methods of data collection and questionable extrapolation to come up with statistics that fit their hypotheses.

These same sociologists are having one hell of a time trying to dismiss or discredit the far more scientific fields of socio-biology, behavioral-ecology, and evolutionary psychology, all of which have far more rational explainations of prostitute/john relationships and are rather unjudgmental about them.

The difference is that the true scientist doesn't come with an agenda...the sociologist does.

Then it is first the liberal press that publishes the findings without a hint of challenging their legitimacy.

Of course, it IS the religious right, who is currently in the position to legislate away our rights and they have no qualms about doing so.
They are definitely dangerous.

But the religious right isn't even the majority of voting republicans. The religious right in the republican party is definitely the tail wagging the dog.

Without the backing of certain liberal factions, specifically the feminists, they would have difficulty passing much of their anti-sex legislation.

And I'm not the only one that thinks so.
I couldn't find the specific article I was recalling on the subject, but I found others.

Read this one for example.
http://www.alternet.org/rights/15947
Note that this is clearly a liberal site.

Ejack1

Ah ha finially I someone has exposed me for the phony I am. Haven't any of you others heard of political satire. We have the daily show for the liberals now we have scooby on the other side. Geesh you guys take all this crap to seriously. I am going to continue having fun and be the spokesman for conservatism on the site. I will try to keep it humorous but this is the one & only time I will expose my true agenda. So take heed and quoting Betty Davis "Get ready for a bumpy ride".

For those who won't bother to read the whole article, at least read this quote:
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For groups like hers, the change was the fruit of hard work, since USAID's new stance comes as a result of the combined lobbying efforts of the seemingly-strange bedfellows of anti-prostitution feminist groups and the Christian Right. Despite their disparate constituencies, the current incarnation of the feminist-rightwing alliance was crystallized a few years ago in 2000 around the passage of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act (TVPA) in the United States. A successful joint campaign was mounted to ensure that the TVPA would not only condemn forced labor and forced prostitution but condemn sex work as a whole -- forced or not.

Conservative pundit Charles Horowitz jubilantly crowed to conservative Christian magazine World: "You've got soccer moms and Southern Baptists, the National Organization for Women and the National Association of Evangelicals on the same side of the issue. Pro-family issues are usually controversial, but on this one, you've got everyone in agreement. Gloria Steinem and Chuck Colson together."
___________________________________________

Also note that Bush wasn't in office yet in 2000.

I have another comment/question on this subject that bugs me: Why is it that nearly all travel guides(Lonely Planet, Frommer's, etc.) will nearly bend over backwards to list places where gay & lesbian travelers can go for sex but they won't list anything(or very, very little)about adult entertainment places. In a typical book with approximately 400 or so pages there will be 20 to 30 pages helping the gay traveler but maybe 1 or 2 paragraphs(if any) mentioning prostitution.

The one group who haven't sold their souls to rally with the feminazis is the catholic church. Say what you will about them they do stick to their belifs.

Actually I'm glad they don't publicize it. Imagine how many people would be going down there for sex and imagine how many wives and girlfriends would know what their guys are doing when they are down there.

I used to joke with my soon to be ex-wife, I'm going to Rio/MDE/BKK for gay sex. Is that ok with her?

Kept her mouth shut for 13 years!

Just dump your pics into yahoo photo or something and remove from your hard drive before leaving country. When you get home enter password and download back to pc and remove from photo depository.

Another try, any one heard from Wallstreet? He hasnt posted for 3 months now. AZ

Hi Fellow Mongers;
I've been reading your coments about pics in our laptops and Government intrusion in our privacy, Patriot Act!?!?!?. I'm going to Medellin early 2007 and was concern about bringing my laptop or leaving it in the safety of my home. after reading some of the comments i think i'll leave it at home and not take the chance of a Custom officer sticking his nose in my privacy. Marley's idea of saving the pics in Yahoo or i think better download them in a CD is better. also i could just bring my digital and keep taking pics in my disk card and put them in my laptop when i get back. really don't want talk about politics but is a shamme when the Government trying to tell me where to stick my pecker. had one incident years ago when coming from Rio and at the Houston Int'nal this CUNT of customs officer literally dumped my bag and went with a toothcomb through it, kind of funny when she pretended not to see my leftover trojan condoms i had!!!!(nothing illegal about having condoms with you!!!). anyways, going to start keeping my pics in a safe disk and do some laptop cleaning before travelling like somebody suggested.
This is going to be my first ever Colombian trip (10-12 days); and looking forward to have a great time, planning in staying at El Castillo. One final comment, don't looking forward to have any misunderstandings with anybody like i read about the incident involving some Hombre menbers and for WHAT????, the use of a bathroom!!!. Guess its one more for Ripley.///

Guess what guys after much searching I found a web site where you can order a street map of Medellin sent to your home. I was waiting to report it here till I recieved the one I ordered a month ago. Well woopie doo it arrived today so I know the site is legit.

Here are the other city maps they offer:

Colombia City Maps.
IGAC & Cartur.
Good street maps with index of points of interest. In Spanish.
64-4192AR Armenia. 1:10,000. $9.95
64-4192BA Barrancabermeja. 1:10,000. $9.95
64-4192BC Barranquilla. 1:20,000. Cartur. $11.95
64-4192BN Bogota. 1:25,000. Cartur. $19.95
64-4192BO Bogota & environs. 1:100,000 $9.95
64-4192BU Buenaventura. 1:10,000. $9.95
64-4192BW Bucaramanga. $9.95
64-4192CA Calarca. 1:5,000. $9.95
64-4192CC Cali. 1:20,000. Cartur. $16.95
64-4192CE Cartagena. 1:12,600. $16.95
64-4192CU Cucuta. 1:20,000. $9.95
64-4192FL Florencia. 1:10,000. $9.95
64-4192IB Ibague. $9.95
64-4192MA Maicao. 1:10,000. $9.95
64-4192MB Manizales. 1:10,000. $9.95
64-4192ME Medellin. 1:25,000. Cartur. $14.95
64-4192MO Monteria. 1:10,000. $9.95
64-4192NE Neiva. 1:10,000. $14.95
64-4192PA Palmira. 1:15,000. $9.95
64-4192PB Pasto. 1:10,000. $9.95
64-4192PO Popayan. 1:10,000. $9.95
64-4192QU Quibdo. 1:5,000. $9.95
64-4192RI Riohacha. 1:5,000. $9.95
64-4192S San Andreas. $9.95
64-4192SA Santa Marta. 1:15,000. $9.95
64-4192SI Sincelejo. 1:10,000. $9.95
64-4192TU Tunja. 1:10,000. $9.95
64-4192VA Valledupar. $9.95
64-4192VI Villavicencio. 1:10,000. $9.95

Sorry guys like a big dummy I forgot to put the web address in.

http://www.omnimap.com/catalog/int/columbia.htm

Scooby

(Message edited by scooby_1781 on December 02, 2006)

I am having a hell of a time trying to find a 3 bedroom apartment for one month from June 12th to July 12th. I have found 3 bedrooms but not with the amenities I am looking for at a reasonable price.

I would like to have at least 2 safe's one for me & one for my nephews, air conditioning is a must when I was there last May I needed it, and its hotter in June, At least one Balcony I love to go out on the balcony and smoke a good cigar, there must not be any smoking in the apartment, my nephew is alergic, thats why I need a balcony, Internet access, access to a pool not necessary but very much desired.

If anyone can help me with this (For a reasonable price) I would be very much appreciated.

Scooby

(Message edited by scooby_1781 on March 04, 2007)

http://www.theapartmentmedellin.com/Apartment1908.html

Try this place.

Planning a July trip, first time to Columbia. Debating to do a couple nights at one of the villas for mongers to get my legs, move to a seviced apartment for a week, and then likely to another destination in Columbia or a tourist tour. Total time in Columbia 15-20 days. As this looks to be high season for Medellin, I assume I should book in well in advance. Looking for advise on a girl friendly one bedroom plus place with a good living room / seating area with couch. Budget $40-60 a night within a reasonable cab ride from entertainment areas.
(my mind has all but abandonded Venezuela ideas expresed on the SA main board)



(Message edited by keeper on March 06, 2007)

Torre Poblado is your place. Clean, reasonable, free internet, and chica friendly as long as you are not blatant about it.

Its walking distance to Parque Lleras also.

I would choose the Mansion over VIP for the Casa and if you do this, you should stay on the weekends also. They have a lot going on there on the weekends. Sunday and Monday can be very dry for talent in other locations, but the Mansion will have girls. They always do.

This is Isabel she may not be beautiful but she makes up for it with a fantastic GFE. Her and her GF Karem who is beautiful put on quite a show and love to have fun. If any one wants info on how to get ahold of them when they are in Medellin pm me.

Scooby's Wild Dupla

Photo: Isabel 01
Photo: Isabel 02

Photos: Karem 01 Karem 02 Admin: Posted previously
Photo: Karem 05

Scooby's Wild Dupla

Photo: Karem 06
Photo: Karem 07

Photo: Isabel 03

Photo: Karem & Isabel 01
Photo: Karem & Isabel 02
Photo: Karem & Isabel 03
Photo: Karem & Isabel 04
Photo: Karem & Isabel 05

Good work Scooby.

No apologies or disclaimer ever needed. Good fun is good fun. Not a thing wrong with either girls looks to me.

Thanks Keeper.
In Photo Isabel 03 that blue camisol & matching panties Isabel has on, I bought that at Costco 2 sets in a pack pink & blue for $10.00. And in photo Karem & Isabel 01 I bought those light sticks at the dollar store 2 for $1.00. The girls had so much fun dancing around in the little outfits swinging those lights, they wanted to come back at no charge to me just to see what id give them. They never charged me a dime after the first night, I brought those little fm radios you can get for a buck at the $1.00 store. The girls were so happy you would have thought I gave them each an IPOD. My sugestion to anyone is to load up on tons of that crap, the girls love it and giving them a little present really opens them up.

Another thing they love is anything with American sports logos on them, t-shirts, base ball caps either MLB or some famos American College, you can pick them up for $5.00 at Wallmart. I brought like 5 or 6 caps & 5 or 6 t shirts with me, next time I go I'm going to bring a rollon loaded with cheap stuff they can't get there. Then load it up with original Colombiam stuff you can't get her to give to family & friends when I return. One of the best things I gave out was these cheap black fishnet body suits for $9.99 each. I gave those to another dupla I did & never had to pay them.

Colombian men don't give them anything and they alot of them treat them like crap. Spend a little time having fun with the girls and treating them like they are special. Then you will see the true passion of the Colombian woman burst forth, and it's something to behold. I can't wait till I return!!

Guys I am reposting copies of a conversation between Ausie greg and another guy on ISG it sounds like they are conspiring to harm me has any of you heard anything or do you think I should be worried.

[QUOTE=Paisan80]Greg,

Is it the Strip Club? Is it going to finally open?

Also, how's operation "Scooby in the Pokie"? Is it going to happen
in Medellin or XXXXXXX?[/QUOTE] They posted my home town!!!!!

And this was Aussie Greg Of the Medellin Mansion's reply:

[QUOTE=Aussie Greg]Beer,

I hope Scooby will not be using the same shitter as you mate !!!!!

Greg to be drunker !!! Im trying to behave myself but then again, you carnt trach a old dog new tricks !!!!!


Aussie G.[/QUOTE]
These are direct off the web site it really sounds like Ausie Greg is conspiring to do me harm. Do you think I should be worried, this guy is really getting bad he conspiring to do me harm.. Does anyone have any advise to give me please help. It sounds like Ausie Greg is using my vacation to his Mansion as ammunition against me to do me harm. I can't believe they posted my home town that has me worried.

Scooby

Scooby

in reading the stuff above, my best guess is that it has something to do with differing views on politics.

(Message edited by socrates69 on May 17, 2007)

What the hell are you talking about the guide I wrote which you were one of the people begging me to send them. I have the original e-mail you sent asking for a copy.

yeah i have a copy. it's of great use having all that info in one place, i'm just saying....but that was before i read what was written above in this discussion section.

What threw me was they posted my home town which only has a population of 8,000. I have kept that life out of reach of my mongering life and have never told anyone where I live. The only place that Paisan80 dude could have found it out was if Greg told them because my deposit was sent from there. Also, I wrote it on the Mansion registration paperes & Pasian just got back from the Mansion. If Greg is giving out private info on his guests then everone who stays there is at risk. I may be angry at Greg but I have never betrade him by posting stuff he did while I was there.

Scooby

Scooby, if you contact the owner of that other site, he will remove the name of your home town.

I don't know Greg, but some guys I know do. From what I hear, this is just a joke. But it's not very funny when it hurts someone.

You have posted comments that are off-putting to some including me. Keep those views to yourself, and your life will be a lot easier. I'm sure that I have many ideas thaty you do not share. I would not foist them upon you.

Thanks Tom, I have repeatedly requested that Jackson remove the post, but he has yet to do so, he is ignoring my requests. I blew a fuse for a bit, and allowed the pathethic get a life world of a few, cross over into my real world. But thanks to your post and other pm's i have been recieving, I've givin myself a reality check and calmed down. In my real world, people do not act and go out of their way to hurt one another with like on line & I forget somtimes how blessed I really am.

(Message edited by scooby_1781 on May 18, 2007)

I have been doing everything I can to get kicked off the ISG web site but Jackson just won't do it. Whats the dudes problem I have asked then demanded he cancel my membership but just won't. I bet if I did not want to leave they would get rid of me. Oh well I guess I'll just have to try harder.

Why do you feel the need to be kicked off? If you don't like it, just don't go back. Ya.

I have been having a ongoing argument with Aussie Greg the owner of the Medellin Mansion in Medellin Colombia for the past 6 months. Up till now it has been fairly benign mostly just humorous insults, but the other day he crossed the line by posting my home address on line and threatend me with physical harm. He got my information from the registration card I filled out when I stayed at the Mansion last year. The owner of the web site where he posted it is a good friend of Gregs so he refuses to remove the post. Since the damage is done I do not believe that any legal recourses will do any good. I have requested that my subscription be canceled to the website which would automaticly erase my name and remove any posts but the owner also refuses to do that. I am at my wits end on what to do. I do not have the money to hire a lawyer so I guess basicly, I'm Screwed. I guess it proves the old saying "You lie down wit dogs you get up with fleas" and I have found out the hard way that Aussie Greg has lots of fleas.

Scoob, just walk away, man. You have heard the story of the ram and the dam. Let it go.

Scooby,

You got on my case last year - I believe before you had even gone to Colombia the first time - when Smirker had his issues with the Mansion and Greg posted shit here about Smirker. My point at the time was, why would anyone trust a guy like that? He came on our board and even after his partner did a great job - IMHO - in apologizing to Smirker and trying to make right, he still decided to attack Smirker and generally come across as an asshole.

Generally speaking, and this comes from a lot of time both traveling and living abroad, your expats come in three general flavors - they're living there because of work/career, or they're living there trying to make work/career, or they're retired and/or rich and don't need to work.

The guys who are working for a legitimate business or are in the military, they're cool because they're generally not going to fuck you over. The retirees and rich guys generally aren't going to fuck you over. The guys who move to a foreign country and try and work there? Well, there's a reason most of the third world wants to come to the US or Europe. It's hard to make money there unless you have money. Thus, a lot of guys who move to a monger spot - scratch that, not a lot but damn near 100% - generally turn on their own kind at some point. Don and Ken in Rio are about the only two guys I've ever met who support their customers and treat us like friends. The rest eventually end up stealing from you or fucking things up for you. It's natural, they need to make money and the locals aren't going to give them a hand, so while many attempt to start out as good guys, they eventually turn to the same bullshit the locals do when dealing with us. Overcharging, stealing, scamming, etc etc.

This guy Greg has a lot of friends but he also seems to become an asshole real quickly if things don't go his way. That's his perogative, but when he attacks his customers on-line that shows that he's not that bright and he has the potential to be an extreme asshole and a rat to boot.

Guys like him eventually piss of the wrong guy and before you know it his Mansion will belong to someone else and he'll be back in Australia trying to get by on a pension or whatever.

Was at Energy earlier today; partied with the two chicas featured below. After the little massage I gave them, they seemed very into the picture taking. That's what works for me anyway. A lot of these chicas think they know massage, but it amuses me when they're amazed or impressed by some of the strokes I show them. I also always bring a CD with a mix of "chill-out" type ambient or electronica music. They always seem to enjoy it and are curious about it as well.

So if you try these girls out and they give you a mind-blowing massage, send the propina TO ME, okay? LOL!

Oh, by the way, I'm EMAILING the girls these pics so if you think you can impress them by showing them the pics you are dead wrong and really need to get a life!

Photos: Energy 01 02 03 04

I've noticed lot of the girls have that dyed redish purplish hair I wonder why thay like that perticular color.

Yeah, I've noticed that too, now that you mention it. Sorry, I won't post the other examples I have because they're not pros, but I'll try to find out for you.

One of the wildest CTG chicas that I have been with had the same kind of tinting. I would like to see her again.

Medellin update:
Many casas/MPs now charge a presentation fee to see their chicas. Unless you don´t mind doing chicas with looks rating of 5 or below (on a 1-10 scale) I would avoid these casas that have this fee.

(Message edited by zoner on September 07, 2007)

Medellin Violence Hits Home when last night my novia got mugged and beat quite severely after getting off the bus near Parque Botero after leaving her sisters house. I sent my friend Alvaro to check on her and he said they beat her pretty bad. Apparently the hit her on the head causing a 6 in gash that needed stiches and then beat her and kicked her untill she gave up her cell phone and her money. I can not comprehend how a anyone could do this to a defensless girl walking home. Don't these people have any decency at all, what a couple of low life scum. I am beyond angry, I wish I was there and the two punks who did this woud try it with me. I hope they try it with someone who breaks their scrawny necks and put them in the hospital for a very long time. There has to be a special place in hell for assholes who beat women. I wish I could hunt them down and smash their knee caps and cripple them for life then they could never do it again to an innocent girl.

Sorry to hear that, Scoob. But I'm glad you posted it. Too many guys seem to think that Medellin is safer than Kansas.

I presume that you meant Botero Plaza. That area is not safe after dark-even for Colombians.

Read the threads, watch the warnings, pay heed:

Do not go in El Centro after dark! Even the locals are afraid to go there.

Scoob, if there is anything I can do to help, call on me.

Thank you Tom & Sandman she is going to be alright, she was lucky they didn't break any bones but she is black & blue all over and is going to be in pain for awhile. I wonder if they have Vicodin in Colombia.

From what I understand she was hit in the head from behind with a gun then after she fell one kicked and hit her while another went through her purse and pockets. She told me she resisted because she did not want to give up the phone that I had sent her for christmas and it was special to her. I tried told her I can always get you another phone but there is only one you. Damn she's a fighter, and a very nice girl this is the third or forth time she has been mugged.

I guess I live a sheltered life because I can not understand how a group of men can ever do anything like that to a defenseless woman its just beyond my comprehension. I forget sometimes how good I have it up here in my little mountain town in Calif. the where that stuff never happens.



(Message edited by scooby_1781 on September 09, 2007)

Zoner, how much was the average presentation fee? I always figured they might start something like that, guys previewing the merchandise, then walking out if they didn't like what they saw. I'd imagine it would be in the higher end clubs (Loutrons, Lindas Chicas etc), is it downtown as well? Do they put that towards the total cost when you choose?

I just got off the phone with my novia, she was a little more steady and through a translator I got the whole story. It was 9pm & she was heading home from her sisters house, she had gotten off the bus and was waiting to transfer to another near Plaza Botero. She was talking to one of her GF on her cell when 2 teenagers came up behind her and hit her on the head from behind with a gun. She fell down and they put a hanger over her head around her neck and tried to grab her cell phone. She held on to it so they started choking her with the hanger and hitting and kicking her. She let go of the phone and one went through her pockets and purse while the other held on to the hanger and pointed the gun around at bystanders. When they got all she had they dropped her and ran away. No one came to her aid till after they left because they were waving the gun around.

Those bus stops are usually pretty crowded but in the face of a gun, I can understand why nobody jumped in to help until after the incident.

Shame there weren't some cops around.

anybody able to identify the assailants?

Furysys,
It seemed as though the casas with the least attractive line-up asked for this fee to preview the merchandise. Fee range 2-10k (Blue Room 10k, see Blue Room thread for details). About half of the Centro casas had this fee. If you´re bold enough to session with their chica the fee is waived. The higher-end casas didn´t have a chicas presentation fee when I visited them.

Zoner, thanks. Shows what I know. I'd have figured the higher enders would hit you up for the money, kind of payment for the eyecandy. The lower ones should be happy you show up, not charge for it.

Guess it goes to show you YMMV!

In the past 2 weeks, I've been to Abydos, Blue Room, Samsara, Energy, Miel y Canelas, New Life (and 3-4 more in the area)Loutrons and a bunch more.

We had numerous occasions where we walked out without making a selection.....or paying a preview fee???

I am not sure I would pay it if they did ask for it...!

Sandman I would have paid a BIG preview fee at Loutrons if I could have nailed the two blond receptionists. You know what two I mean. - Hemp

Yeah and the blond you did nail wasn't too shabby either!

Sandman, stop rubbing it in!! I have to read this stuff while living here in the Canadian tundra where there are about 5 guys to every female. I should care about paying a couple bucks to see the talent! ;-)

Well, Fur, there's always the sheep! I know what some of those Tundra girls look like!

Sereously, not rubbing it in, just don't want the guys falling for scams or the MP's starting a new trend with gringos. I an guaranfuckingtee you the locals don't pay a "review" tax!

Sandman, damn straight they wouldn't! Stupid gringos, yeah, we'll pay the eyecandy charge.
BTW I am not quite in Eskimo land, but sometimes in winter when the temp hits 30 below, it sure feels like it.

I feel for ya bro!

It sure is tough living in the City of Eternal Spring where it rarely dips below 70 or gets above 80. Have not even turned on my AC or slept with more than a sheet over me.

Uh-Oh-There I go again rubbing it in. Sorry bro!

30 below? Thats crazy! No wonder the sheep are scared......LOL!

Sandman, when it hits 30 below, you just put your head down and start walking, if you think about it for too long you won't have the guts to go out. Remember, weather like that is 'character building'. Yeah, right. On a different note, I will be going back to Medellin in mid-December, would like to meet up with you if possible.

AC in MDE? I don't even have AC in my apartment, and I live at the floor of the valley near Centro. I did buy a box fan, but that is only used to help dry the floors after mopping.

Tom-Or dry clothes after washing...he he!

Yeah Fur-get in touch when you are coming. We'll have a beer and check out a few places.

Sandman, how are you?

Question for you!!!

Is sunday a good day for chick's in medellin,?

Kukulkan

Kuk-Sun is the worst day of the week. Most are home with families. A few casas are open but their line ups are usually pretty thin. Sun is a good day to have a favorita over but do not expect it to be a lengthy stay.

Wed-Sat are the best days here. Plan your trip accordingly. Arrive Tuesday night, depart Sun morning.

Medellin is an awesome city! Most Men that visit say the same thing. I can live here, some of the most gorgeous women on the planet, the best weather and affordable. Now a caveat. It is not the best mongering place around.

the way I see it spend half your time looking for a regular girl, the other half you can spend banging away. If you like 18 to 25 year old beautiful women, join me here to meet them.
I will not take you to where the other gringos are, we leave the places you hear about on these posts and hit the subway, malls, universities and just about anywhere you can imagine there are beautiful women around here.

Stay away from Tesoro Mall, Oveido and anywhere near poblado. These women are use to seeing americans and many of them are spoiled and have been to the states. They are not impressed by foreigners..

Let me know if you would like more info,

I have an awesome room to rent out if you like
as well

Madman

MedellinMadman hasn't been a member for long and doesn't know our brutal treatment of touts.

But I can tell you he is different. I have know him for many years and he is a good guy. I sent him an email privately about this.

I posted on a separate thread about his background.

Don't treat his message to harshly. He's giving a good deal and is very good at attracting non-pros.

Hey,

Has anyone stayed at My Place? Frank Casio's place by La Mayorista.

I hit Bogota twice in the last few months and I am pretty much done with it...time to check out MDE

I got a trip planned May 26th for four nights and was thinkin of staying at Franks Place since Im flyin solo

I stayed at Frank's place, it was allright. Will be staying there again in a couple of months. PM if you want details.

Did Av8tr pass away when he was back home in California?

Another one bites the Dust

Just a reminder that sex with underage girls (18) is illegal here. "Jake" is looking at hard time here, then deportation and being charged in the U.S. If any of you have dealt with him, you might be expecting a knock on the door from the FBI, and you probably will not get Hillary´s pass.

In El Poblado they captured abroad linked to sexual exploitation of children

WEB EDITION
July 11, 2016

The National Police with the support of the Embassy of the United States dismantled a criminal organization dedicated to pimping and sexual exploitation of girls from 13 years.

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Photo taken from the site managed by the foreign national.

By Daniel Palacio Tamayo

According to official information, the criminal organization was led by the US citizen Harry Jay Drivas, alias "Jake". The National Police said that this man used social networking and other information technologies to capture and induce minors to sexual activity and the hallucinogen.

In the development of Jake operation, which last night was held on July 7, authorities also captured another man and rescued a 13-year-old who was found at the site being exploited sexually. The minor was made available Family Welfare, as the two men will face charges for crimes of prostitution, pimping minor, trafficking, manufacturing and possession of narcotics.

The Ministry of Security of Medellin, said the man was arrested in the apartment 902 of a building located in the race 38, a few blocks from Provence and Lleras Park neighborhood, where the man was two months resident. The property consists of three bedrooms, two bathrooms, kitchen, dining room and balcony where foreigners had installed an inflatable jacuzzi.

According to photographs visible on the website where sexual services were offered, this apartment was the place where came hundreds of women, including minors, for at least one year. According to information published on the same site, the apartment was rented from $ 75 plus company for 6 hours. The value could increase to $ 99 if the client wished a "happy ending" by women. Similarly, the web was used to offer so-called "narcotours" by some of the extinct properties of Pablo Escobar and bars in the city.

So far the national authorities, with the support of the American Embassy advance in the process of prosecution of these two men, who would be the first caught by this illegal activity that increasingly takes more boom in the city.

Likewise, the authorities have serious indications that the head of these criminal organizations engaged in the sexual exploitation of minors foreign nationals are, because according to preliminary information, the murder of an Israeli citizen a couple of weeks in Medellin, would be linked to a network dedicated to sexual and drug trafficking attending the demand of visitors who came to the city in search of sex and drugs exploitation.

It is expected that in the coming hours has a ruling by the civilian authorities and police of the city, to determine if the well also enter into a process of asset forfeiture.

En El Poblado capturan a extranjero vinculado a explotación sexual de menores

EDICIÓN WEB
11 Julio 2016

La Policía Nacional con el apoyo de la Embajada de los Estados Unidos desmanteló una Organización Criminal dedicada al proxenetismo y explotación sexual de niñas desde los 13 años.

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Foto tomada del sitio administrado por el ciudadano extranjero.

Por Daniel Palacio Tamayo

De acuerdo con información oficial, la organización criminal estaba liderada por el ciudadano estadounidense Jay Harry Drivas, alias “Jake”. La Policía Nacional aseguró que este hombre utilizaba las redes sociales y otras tecnologías de la información para capturar menores de edad e inducirlas a actividades sexuales y al consumo de alucinógenos.

En el desarrollo de la operación Jake, que se realizó la noche del pasado 7 de julio, las autoridades también capturaron a otro hombre y rescataron a una menor de 13 años, quien fue encontrada en el lugar siendo explotada sexualmente. La menor de edad fue puesta a disposición de Bienestar Familiar, mientras los dos hombres afrontarán cargos por los delitos de inducción a la prostitución, proxenetismo con menor de edad, tráfico, fabricación y porte de estupefacientes.

La Secretaría de Seguridad de Medellín, informó que el hombre fue detenido en el apartamento 902 de un edificio ubicado en la carrera 38, a unas pocas cuadras del barrio Provenza y el Parque Lleras, en la que el hombre llevaba dos meses de residente. El inmueble está compuesto por tres habitaciones, dos baños, cocina, sala comedor y balcón en el que los extranjeros tenían instalado un jacuzzi inflable.

De acuerdo a fotografías visibles en el sitio web donde se ofertaban los servicios sexuales, este apartamento era el lugar en el que llegaban cientos de mujeres, entre ellas menores de edad, desde hace por lo menos un año. Según la información publicaba en el mismo sitio, el apartamento era alquilado desde 75 dólares más compañía por 6 horas. El valor se podía incrementar hasta lo 99 dólares si el cliente deseaba un "happy ending" por parte de las mujeres. Igualmente, la web era utilizada para ofertar los llamados “narcotours” por algunas de las extintas propiedades de Pablo Escobar y bares de la ciudad.

Hasta el momento las autoridades nacionales, con el apoyo de la Embajada Americana avanzan en el proceso de judicialización de estos dos hombres, quienes serían los primeros capturados por esta actividad ilícita que cada vez toma más auge en la ciudad.

Igualmente las autoridades tienen serios indicios de que al frente de estas organizaciones criminales dedicadas a la explotación sexual de menores de edad se encuentran ciudadanos extranjeros, pues según información preliminar, el homicidio de un ciudadano israelí hace un par de semanas en Medellín, estaría vinculado con una red dedicada a la explotación sexual y de tráfico de drogas que atendía la demanda de visitantes que llegaban a la ciudad en búsqueda de sexo y drogas.

Se espera que en las próximas horas haya un pronunciamiento por parte de las autoridades civiles y de Policía de la ciudad, para determinar si el bien también entraría en un proceso de extinción de dominio.

Can someone update prices for girls here? I'm going to try to get to Medellin soon and I'm not sure what local prices for low to high range is anymore.

The more or less standard price is 150,000COP, both at the Mansion and through Facebook, although some chicas are asking for more since the COP tanked against the dollar. My experience last Oct. & Dec. I believe the casas can still be inexpensive, 50,000 COP and up.

I'll have better info after I get back in a few weeks. I haven't been to the casas in a few years (I mostly go to New Life), and the selection at the Mansion where I had been staying made it almost unnecessary to go elsewhere (plus I met a special one). This time, the Mansion is booked for all but two nights of my eight, so I'll be doing casas and FB, staying at an Airbnb.

Was there recently

Centro chicks: 20-30K pesos for ST, overnight it varies from 80 to 150

FB chicks: 150-200 for ST. They will ask for more, make sure to negotiate. O/N lowest one was 300K but I think that is an exception to the rule.

Hunterman...which airbnb did you pick? I have used the one near poblado at the blux.

Facebook chicks, thats new. Can you explain how you find them on FB?

I've always relied on Tinder in Dubai, Switzerland and even most recently Sao Paulo.

Thanks for the update gents!

Concarne, I'm staying in Laureles at a 3-br, 1.5 ba apartment on Calle 42 just off Carrera 70. I like Laureles, although I may look for something in El Pablado next time. Last night, numerous establishments along Cr 70 were blasting music onto the street, lots of people dancing and drinking, a big disco around the corner. Party time.

Sniper: You friend one, then you friend their friends that look good. Then their friends' friends start friending you, trolling for clients Many have suggestive pictures on the FB pages, some post about having sex, you can pretty well figure out some prime candidates.

I friended ONE last July, now I have about 180 amigas. I had to set up a separate page so my straight friends didn't get suspicious.

PM me and I'll give you a start.

Very cool, I will need to start a second FB account. Let me set one up and I'll reach out.

Sorry for the late response, I've been buried at work...but have had lots of fun in London!

The Venezuelans are coming, the Venezuelans are coming!

Been seeing more and more chicas from Venezuela recently, mostly undocumented and trying to keep a low profile. I have not been impressed with the quality of service, however YMMV

It has been the advice of some MDE local hombres to simply get a hotel room as opposed to staying at the mansion, but the question was can you be at the mansion/mingle with chicas, while not renting out a room there, or is there a good deal at the mansion you just have to book at a certain time of year or know the right contact there

The Mansion is for guests only, even the Chicas had to be invited and everyone was ID'd before they were allowed in.