YT
You've never been to TJ my friend.

Actually I went to TJ a couple of times about 3 years ago- I only when to CC and AB & I remember that it was very crowded but I don't recall the smell.

Yt- you are so right about the steam cleaning..wow it is BAD.

Camila actually wanted to go there...she states she likes to mark her territory so everyone knows you are hers for this time..all her friends watch you if she is not there..she is extememly jealous but so much fun...she would even mark the bed sheets a certain way so she could check to see if anyone has been in them while she was away...funny thing again this time but worked in my favor..she sees me on the beach with Pauliana and gets angry with me...She actually came up to our chairs and gives me down the road, so after Pauliana leaves she really tried hard to keep me with her and it worked for me...A little too much thou... ouch I like her...even worked on Pauliana as she became more attentive and voiced her displeasure...sorry about long story...

So once we went to help it was over for me picking up anyone else from there, but a small price to pay I thought...

Good story Layne; we need more of them while we wait for our next trip to Rio. Got any others from your recent trip, favorite restaurants or whatever?

Thinking back, I now realize that every time I negotiated with a woman at Help it was me that brought up the subject of price. So I wonder, if I didn't bring it up would it never have come up at all, with them just accepting what I give them afterwards? Has this been the case with you guys?

It seems they're trying to establish a pricing standard of R$100 per hour, and I think this evolves from the rates in the termas. Several help garotas quoted me this rate; a termas girl I had a few sessions with offered to come to my hotel at this rate and wouldn't budge from it.

Bendejo
All the garotas negotiated a price before any play unless it was a repeat. I think they must have thought I was really looking stupid as I was getting between 100$ to 200$ not the 100R, lucky dude man. But on my second day at Barbarella, prices went down as they saw I was there for long time. With the dollar being lower, I may accept 100$ offer this time if garota looks fine. But usually I try to stay with my 200R offer.

Bendejo, now that I think of it, the ONLY garota I ever took from Help made no mention of price. After a couple hrs of dancing a drinking she just said "let's go to your hotel".

She stayed a few hrs and when she was taking a shower I put R120 under her purse. We repeated the same senerio the following night. She wanted to spend the following day together both times, but I was falling for her pretty hard and did'nt want to get tied down.

Anyway, in hindsight, I would probably nail down a price unless I just REALLY felt like we were clicking. I've heard tales of not agreeing to a price getting pretty nasty ie, them expecting WAY more than you would anticipate and pitching a fit.
And the latinas can pitch a FIT, eh?

YMMV here again..the only time I never got a price before I left ended up being R150 all night...and she was great in all aspects..real gem...She was quiet and not the prettiest there, but as we know in these qualities lies some darn good ones...

The price game is different with each girl. Some get offended if you talk about money right away
(I guess they want to believe that its a date) others want to have a price before you leave the club. Its all part of the game. I prefer to know how much she wants before we leave the club.

I had a nasty experience with one girl who wanted WAAAAY more money than I was going to pay.
We hung out in Help and I told her I was really tired and didn't think I could perform well if we had sex. She said "No problem, I will give you a blowjob and then you can go to sleep". When we got to my apartment she immediately started to give me head, I stopped her and asked her how much she wanted, she just shrugged and said
"Whatever you pay the other girls". That wasn't good enough for me, so I stopped her two more times and asked her "How Much?" She was still being evasive and she was like "whatever, you normally pay". At this the time the rate was $1US = 1.30 Real. So I figured I would give her 30 reais for a blowjob, 50R if she complained. When I finished, this bitch told me she wanted $100US!! "I was like you have got to be fucking kidding me!!" "You want 100 bucks for a blowjob! Even Centaraus girls don't get that much!!" I kept trying to exlpain to her that I was not a newbie and I wasn't japonese, there was no way in hell I was going to pay more than 50R for a blowjob. We had a screaming arguement for about 25 minutes, she refused to leave my apartment until I gave her 100 bucks. I was on the verge of calling security to come upstairs and throw her out! Finally she took the 50R and damn near broke my door off its hinges when she stormed out and slammed it shut.

I have also had girls pull the "switchcheroo" on me, quote one price in Reals and then demand dollars once she was ready to leave. I always make sure I know how much and in what currency before we leave Help, so that I won't have any headaches later.

Now I know the meaning of "slow season". When I was in Rio a month ago, you couldn't stand anywhere near the restaurant that's next to help. Last night, and the night before (Sat & Sun) half the tables were empty from 11pm to 3am.

Inside was the absolute pits. My bar has been raised so high by the terma girls, there wasn't a single girl in help I would fuck.. even for free. Talk about a sad last night in Rio...

If I never go in there again, it will be too soon. That's two bad times at help in 6 weeks.. never again...

During my last trip I only went to Help 1 time during my 3 weeks stay even if I lived one block from there. The smell is terrible inside, and I don’t see the point of actually having to compete for the few nice ladies as saw there. I was so happy at the termas and strip clubs that I did not care to go more than once. I have heard lots of very good stories from help, but also bad ones. Here is mine:

Went in there at Sunday. Sundays are supposed to be good but, I really did not see much nice ass in there.. The only VERY hot girls I saw were hanging with some old champagne-bucket losers or asking 300US!. Fuck that! I ended up with a seemingly nice lady. Nice dressed, not hardcore, not ugly at all. If I only knew how to upload pics I would show her. (Don’t know if this is possible as a trial member) Anyway; we settled for 175 R and off we went. As I said she started as a nice person. We danced a little in my apartment, me trying to teach her some salsa. I normally do this to create a good atmosphere and then continue to take my pics. NO girl leaves my room before the pics are taken and it has never been a problem taking non porn pics.

We then proceeded to take a shower together and she gave me a very nice BBBJ, which I landed where it belongs. After that we headed for the bed and I first fucked her for about 5-10 ?? minutes, her lying on her back and getting into it quite nice. So far, so good. Then I turned her around and started doing her doggy style ‘a bit’ harder.
THEN suddenly, the complete room was filled with this VERY unpleasant smell we all know from before and hell broke loose. I immediately knew what had happened and when I pulled out almost my complete condom was covered with blood and it was also some blood on the sheet. I got ‘kind’ of upset and ran to the toilet for some cleaning shouting fuck XXC#¤%#”¤%&#¤&¤%& ¤”%& etc. After that I was about to throw her and her clothes out of the apartment immediately. I calmed down a little when I saw she was (fake?) crying and talking like a machine gun, claiming she did’t knew, that I was so big and that I was only a little. (I really felt that the ‘only a little’ part was a big relief!) Anyway, I started to think that it could be a little difficult to just throw her out and I have heard stories about girls doing quite nasty stuff (hitting you up with some male frends etc. later) if you do not pay at all. After all she did give me nice blowjob and everything was OK before the menstruation shit happened.

I said to her that no way I will pay the 175, and we decided on 100 after some discussions. She left and said sorry, that she really did not know.. In fact I could almost believe her the way she acted, but then again I never now. In fact I don’t really blame her. Sure, she knew she was close to her period, but as she is not doing this for fun and if she could get away with it without bleeding (or with a 100 like with me!) I can understand that she tried. I was just happy to have her out of there and had a VERY strong cuba-libre before going to bed that night.

Moral? In Help you can probably have everything from the best to the worst, it all depends on you, your pick-up skills, good or bad luck etc. It was kind of hard seeing this on coming unless doing ‘extensive’ inspections upfront. lol. I just feel that I saw much more attractive girls at the termas and strip clubs and there I have much more guaranties against shit like this. I have also not heard many (if any) complain about the performance with the girls from these places and I was ‘very’ happy most of the times. Also I have not seen (except from Barb.) that the prices are much higher at the stip clubs compared to help. I will probably go back to Help next trip, but I really did not see any reason for last time.

(Sorry for the length of the post)

I'm a big termas fan myself but alot other guys like Help. YMMV. After hitting the termas hard during the day, I'll end up going to Help most nights (I guess my memory is shot too as I forget about the Lido clubs most nights). Since I've had a great time in the termas, I really don't care and/or feel any pressure to find a girl from Help. So I kinda of hang out, check the girls out, have a beer, and alot of times I'll actually end up having a great time talking to a few girls and end up going home with one of them. Other times, I'll hang for a bit & go home alone. I've heard numerous other guys that have adopted the same attitude (& some have probably expressed in the thread before - sorry if I'm repeating old stuff).

Youngtom;

I totally agree about the ‘laid back’ attitude. It was my first time down there and I tried to do as many stunners as I could manage. It all went a little bit out of control :-)) I plan to take it much easier down there next time and besides from taking some language classes also only pick the girls when I really feel like it. This time it was more like an expedition trying to hit high numbers.

No you wont...

When did HELP move? The picture posted by HOMBRE is not the place I have been too. I know I am getting old, but heck, it is a taller building, with access in the front by walking up stairs, and the right side does not have the structures shown. Is it me???

The surroundings in the photo are a bit distorted but I think that this is due to the magic of digital cameras with zooms. It looks to me that Hombre athos took this photo while standing in front of Meia Pataca on the far side of Atlantico. The combination of the sharp angle and the zoom pulls background buildings into the foreground.

Yes the stairs are still there, hidden by cars in that particular shot.

DANM I MISS RIO!!!! I just loved Help, went there on 20 of 23 nights in Rio. On some nights it was real slim pick`ins but well over half the nights there were many incredible babes to chose from. There were nights i saw 30-40 babes that i wanted. Every girl i hooked up with was a sweetheart and GFE. I saw more babes at Help that came the closest to being Playboy Playmates then anywhere else, including Barbarelas, Franks and Centuras. But every night varies and there is no set night of the week that will always be good it always varies.

Fooledagain1
I'll be at Help sun night recovering from hopefully a couple of sessions with escort and Solarium run.

Where ya been FooledAgain - I was beginning to think that you had ended up in one of Ashcroft non-civil liberty camps. It sounds like you blew our termas suggestions off.

So tell us more about Help. Or where ever that heck that you were held hostage for 23 days.

Athos-- Have fun, looking forward to reading your reports. I talked with a garota a couple of days ago and she said it was slow and that prices are down for most everything. Let us know how the talent stacks up this time vs last trip. Thinking of returning in July but a little nervous about the talent being down.

Youngtom-- I had good intentions of visiting the termas especially solarium on your advice but my first day i didn`t do much but walk around and recover from flight. The first night went to the outdoor cafe in front of Help for dinner and was blown away with what i saw. When i went inside it got even better,just couldn`t believe it. I learned quick how each night can vary, the 2cd night was no where near as good, if the 2cd night had been my first night, who knows, maybe i never go back. After that first night i knew the potential of Help and there were many more nights like the first night. It`s the luck of the draw to be there on a good night so it`s best to stop in every night to check the talent if possible, one only needs to be there from 1am till 2am, what you see is what you`ll get for the remained of the night for the most part. On the good nights there were many hot babes standing by themselves at 3-4am. I had such a greattime at Help i couldn`t pull myself out of there to go anywhere else. Finally hit A terma, the Monte Carlo, after about 15 nights and then the Centuras after 21 nights. Did hit Barbarela`s on 4 nights and took out 3 hot babes but thought it was over priced.

Yesterday was mother´s day and being a sun, Help selection was not good, maybe 80 to 90 garotas at its peak time at 1:30 am, range from 4.0 to 8.0, only 1 8, several 7´s.
I ended making out for over an hour with this mulatta Julia, 7. She of course asked what an asian is doing not picking a loira. I of course told her the truth that I love all women.
Typically I find 10% of garotas at Help not to my liking but on my doable range. So maybe 8 garotas as possiblity but only one very pretty and she was not interested in me.
Not many hombres so I felt the garotas were friendlier than last Nov trip. I speak also some Portuguese now so screening process has become a lot easier all of a sudden with frenching inside the club.
Same ratio in mulheres, 2/3 mulattas, 1/3 loiras and morenas.
I like the music inside the club with some long songs so fantastic for sensual dancing with garota.

Athos--- Nice to read your reports, they really get my juices flowing and a desire for a return trip. What do the prices look like at Help? Any hot blondes? Keep up the good work.

FooledAgain1
I believe this is the low season.
Only gorgeous garota was brunette, did not see any pretty loira on sun night.
Last night before heading to Barbarella, saw very appetizing mulatta at Help terrace.

I can confirm this is the low season. Very few garotas at the beach. Decent lineup at Help but nowhere near termas or Barb. I get the feeling most will take 200R for tln except for the ones i like asking 150$.
I'll give a try at Eliani later in the trip. But she needs to earn it.
There were 2 garotas whom I thought were very beautiful 1 bad vibes the other good vibes so will need to make her lower cost, rest is avg to decent.
My feeling is outrageous cost comes from gringos accepting stupid offers as I know very well Europeans to be hard bargainers.
Garotas prefer gringos so take it easy try to take time adding to your count...

Selection has picked up with best selection on sat night as I saw several termas and Barbarella garotas.
I finally got a dud with pretty loira Paola, maybe 7.5 in looks and 3.5 overall.
Picked a pretty black on sat, Tais de Sao Paulo, stripper back home at Bahamas Club where 600R will get you a session at club.
I like Help for dancing and music.

There seems to be larger police presence in the area around Help at night (there always a been quite a few standing about - doing nothing). They now have 3 guys standing a block off of Atlantico on the corner of Miguel Lemos/Aires Sardinha. The lighting seems to have improved as well (that might be related to the last years power shortage having ended).

Two years ago when I was at Help, I had a very different experience than what has been described here. When I went in, I had my pick of women. Women who were refusing other guys tried to get my attention. I even had some 8s following me around. I had a 10 get mad because I was taking to long to go home with her. This is very different than the passive vibe that some of you guys have stated here. I wonder if it varies by race or age. Not to toot my own horn, but I'm an attractive black male in my early twenties. Does treatment depends on physical characteristics?

Oh yeah...big time..you young good looking guys(white or black or asian) are supposed to stay in the states where you can get the american babes still...Rio is for us over the hill cant get beautiful young women anymore crowd....

Kakkoi29
There are plenty of good fucks available at Help but typically the lesser attractive ones will offer that kinda of service.
Race is a social divide in Rio like anywhere else. Help is dominated by blacks and mulattas with few white girls in between.
If you like the mulattas better than loiras then Help is a great place as no blacks at Barbarella, maybe 10% of them at termas.
Some garotas prefer black, others prefer asian guys but as long as you show respect and stay away from piranha, good time to be had. There is not much you can do with a piranha...even you're the best stud out there.

went to Help several nights during my recent nine day visit. I was going with the idea this place would suck. maybe I was lucky but everytime me and my two amigos went we were able to spot at least two or three girls each we wanted real bad. a few nights we met girls who didn't want to charge us anything. maybe they really liked us. I still prefer the termas but if you are staying near Help it is very convienent and fun. We would get there around 10:00 and drink a little at the restaurant till 12:30 and go in. usually headed to the apartment around 3. usually paid $150R or in some cases nothing. still the best kissers are at solarium.I would consider going to help on my next visit but probably spend more time at
the termas.

There are lots of great places to meet women in Rio - termas, Help, Barbarellas, agencies, other Lido night clubs, malls, etc. We all have our own favorites. All of us are guilty at times of plugging one venue over another at times. One can meet beautiful, wild brasileiras all over the place. Alot of what I do depends on the time of day - late night you either need to hit Lido night clubs or help - in the day; beach, termas or agency girls. I don't think that your experience at Help was unusual - one will always find some great looking women in Help (at least, if you don't get there too late) and sometimes the place is packed with very attractive women. Every day in Rio is a different day.

Hanging on the terrace in front of help is one of my favorite things to do in Rio.

YT---I get to agree with you ....this only makes twice I think...Solarium being the first...terrace is the best place from ~10 until you decide where to go for the night after your long day at the termas...yes sir...quite enjoyable..

Layne - Using your language skills, I guess I would have to say that I totally disagree. Of course that is a bunch of crap that we disagree on everything. You seem to try to portray everthing in black & white and that does not happen. you are overly defensive about too many things.

Centarus & Barbarellas are fine/great (granted one pays more there than one might elsewhere but I'm okay with that. And you should accept that fact & stop denying it). I visited Centarus with Athos & had a wonderful time (it does cost more money to go there). And if I'm still up late enough to go down to the Lido area, I'm definitely going to check out Barbarellas. There are a ton of great women at Centarus & Barbarellas that I'm sure are awesome. And there are a ton of other great women in Rio. I personally think if you/I go somewhere and have a good time than that is why you or I went there in the first place so nothing else matters.

Layne - Go to rio as much as you can. and then some more . Don't be so defensive about what you do. All of our opinions change in life & they will continue to change as we spend more time in Rio. As long as you are having a good time then nothing else matters. Your seem to over-react when some of us point out simple truths. I think that you should just do what feels right for yourself and have more faith in that. You seem to attack any one that disagrees in any sort of minor way.

I personally am not part of the club that says only go here, and club b, and anything else sucks. There is no place on the planet like rio. so we should all enjoy it and share our joy.

Yt-I was just kidding with ya bud...a little light heartedness...you should know me by now...believe me it does not bother me if one disagrees with me...to each their own by all means...

Help not so good...Down about 50% it seems to me...some action still on the terrace..last night due to the parade they were telling people dont bother only 50 people inside...

Just when you say something bad about a place it slaps you for doing so...help was rockin in and out last night...watched at least 5-10 solid 9/10s walk into help...go figure this place???

Terrace has been loads of fun this week...I called over young one with obvious attributes out front and bluestraveler tells me before she sits down he really is too tired tonight...after about 2 minutes we discover she is from BH and I grab her her real quick to move her by me...blues is suddenly not so tired anymore..to cut it short we fought over her for about an hour trying to figure out who had rights as she being the sweet one among us would not chose...then she spills beer on bluestravelers pants and I am dead immediately and I know it...1 minute later they are gone..

My last day in Rio was a great one. After I went to Solarium, me and a couple of guys hung out at Meia Pataca for a couple of hours. Maybe because it was my last day, but there was a constant stream of beautiful women that would come sit at our table. I barely made my flight because I really did not want to go.

So when we going back?

I'm thinking mid September. What do you say? Next time, I will probably rent an apt from Don instead.

this is one busy board. what's up guys I am going back to rio for the second time this year. and I want to know have anyone taken two girls back from help. I stayed at the marriott last time and had two young ladies on my arm and security stopped me from bring them up. they were both friends so I had to do what any other would do, I picked the less good looking one and took her up first for a session and brought her back downstairs gave her 60 reals and she was on her way. the good looking one was waiting for me on the couch and I checked her in also and stayed the entire night with her. I paid more for this one 100 reals. these were two young ladies I would say no more than 23. I notice the trick to getting a price at help is dont have a entire conversation with her about sex. I am not trying to brag or give alot a bull but this what we did every night. It was three of us, all in the ages of 27-29 good looking and good shape and we just order some drinks and relaxed give it a couple a minutes they will come up. My friend Gary who is a 6'3 Mr.fitness was our lead talker he would talk to girls and they always say good looking guys never want to pay. we respond, were not here to blow money on sex jsut relaxing on a business trip but if you ladies want to hang out with three american guys and get out of here your welcomed to.within 20 min, they come up and say lets go but you have to help us with something were really struggling? we tell them sure lets go and the party starts I think the cheapest was my buddy gary gave a scale 7 1/2 chic 5 reals for a cab back to help, I even felt sorry for her after that.

yes I am shooting for 3rd week of sept at this time...will hit you with msg when I can kind of confirm...

If one has a problem getting girls in your hotel, then check out the love motels. The vanity is on nossa copacabana right around the corner from help. Prices for a low-end room (yet it is still comfortable) are real cheap. If you want to spend more then you can really get some outrageously fansy digs. Love motels are located all of Brazil/Rio. The girls all know where they are. Vips Motel looks especially fancy.

I don't know...I've had A FEW working girls get really into me and obviously not care as much about the money as hanging out with me. But in the end, I just end up feeling a bit sorry for these ones and being generous with them. After all, after I leave, they still have to spread their legs for any old guy that comes around in order to pay their bills. So ultimately, I try to pay as much as needed (without letting them think they can play me like a sugar daddy).

As for HELP, I've always found a few nice looking girls whenever I've gone. Nothing spectacular, but I try to pick a fine balance between a girl who's doable yet has a good attitude.

Finally, a word of caution. There have been attractive girls who I've felt were either a bit strange, or on drugs. Because my Portuguese sucks, I wasn't really able to tell for sure. But I passed on these ones. They may have been great lays, but it's probably better to err on the side of caution at Help. As a garota who'd been working there for 6 months told me, there always are girls who steal/drug the men on the prowl at Help on any given night.

By the way, anyone know what the Help selection will be like in early August? I'll be hitting Rio for about a week before heading to the NE.

Kakkoi,

I've actually had the same experience at Romanza in Sao Paolo (I'm also in my 20s, 6'2"), where hot looking loiras would half-way ignore the guys they were talking to in order to give me the stare down. But I think it really depends on the night/women. For example, when I went to Help, I wasn't really getting a lot of attention at all. In fact, the last time I went I only ended up getting harassed by the nastiest looking mulatta I've seen in a very long time.
I also had two good looking girls give me a cold shoulder when I invited them to sit down at my table. Just depends on the vibe that night I guess.

Jarule
That's funny while at Barb, all the garotas want their share of dineiro, not so at Help.

Athos,

Yeah, I get that feeling quite often when I go to Help...or rather, the scene outside of Help...almost like going to high school, except all the girls are hookers. How did a poster on WSG aptly put it..."it's the high school prom meets Soul Train." The hotter girls are amazingly enough, kind of selective in who they want to spread their legs for. Of course, you can still nail them if you pay enough. But as we all know, it's infinitely better when they're somewhat into it, and there's some sort of chemistry.

Anyhow, the cooler experiences I've had have actually been with the girls who were new to the Help scene. They always get a kick out of being taken to places like VIPs. I'm getting tired of the jaded pros though. I think I may try my luck with the non-pros in Belo Horizonte after I brush up on my Portuguese.

I've heard nothing but goods things about the place.

Jarule
Hope you report on cities that are not covered like BH. I think I may have found my calling in life, meet as many Brazilian garotas as I can.