Just got word that a friend of mine from Canada who was mongering in Medellin for one month is dead. Gun shot wound. Total shock. Not to clear with how it happened but guarantted pussy is not worth my life. I know one thing from my experiences in Colombia, beware of who's girl you mess with. I saw a hottie dancing in a group of girls along with a few dorky lookingh men drinking, turns out those guys were drugdealers, killers, not sure but where rich. If it wasnt for the fact that we got frisked before entry and no guns allowed, i too would have been dead. guarantteed.

Wiseone,

Thank you for your input and I truly am sorry for the loss of your friend.

Really, I know how you feel as I did when my uncle was found bludgeoned to death in a cheap hotel room in Chicago after picking up a hooker (made the news)or when my brothers best friend was was strangled with his own sock after two whores set him up to rob his house and van (made the news). Or when my friends cousin picked up two hitch hikers on the highway who shot him for a pack of cigarrettes an his wallet (made the news) and the shock is that when the girls were caught they finally confessed he never asked them for sex as they first said when arrested. That's right, he was just a 52 year old trucker trying to be a nice guy.

Aside from chasing pussy and dying, I feel sorry for the parents of a a dead 8 year old who was shot in the head by a stray bullet meant for a gangbanger when it came through her homes front window during her birthday party. Even sadder was that her and her mother had earlier that day attended a peace rally for a 10 year old that was killed by a stray bullet earlier that week. (search online Chicago Sun Times for more info).

As far as club hoppers are concerned, shall I mention the 22 people trampled to death on the south side of Chicago when a riot started over some bitch getting sprayed in the face with pepper spray?

Shall I go on? I mean I can and yet despite all this the Mayor of Chicago claims Chicago is one of the safest cities to visit. And you know what, it is. But it all comes down to where you are and what you do. It's like that in any big city in the world.


Cubanut

P.S. I am curious if you (Wiseone) are new to the board or have been a lurker because I did a keyword name search and this seems to me the one and only posting you have ever made. Mmmmm.

Cubanut...thanks for taking care of that one.

Wiseone, do you have any news links, I ask because whenever a foreigner is killed in Colombia, there are normaly plenty of news articles on it, but I haven't seen anyhing yet?

I'd like a newlink also; interestingly enough, Wiseone has been a CH member almost two years.

Sorry Cubanut, I'm gonna go against the tide here and say I don't get your point.

Ok, maybe I just read this the wrong way, but regardless of whether Wiseone's post is legitimate or not (and I think that is what some here are subtly questioning) your comments came across as "Yeah, people die everywhere; so your friend died mongering, but it's not really that bad because things are just as bad if not a lot worse in other places, even here at home." I'm really not trying to start a flame, but somehow that response to someone who has just lost a friend to a violent death in a place many of the people here have visited (and as far as anyone here knows, he could be making a legitimate post), came across as insensitive at best, and if true, I think he provided some food for thought for potential Medellin visitors. But again, maybe that's just me, and if I took it wrong, let me apologize up front. And if the post is legitimate, my condolences, Wiseone, and thanks for the alert for those who might be headed there from this board.

I dont see were Cubas comments can be miscontrude as "insensitve or doubtful" at all. I mean the absolute first statement out of his mouth was "i am very sorry for the loss" and that seemed very sincere. To questions someones character or insentvity to a very serious subject is out of line. ALSO i dont think it is wrong to question in a very subtle way, the way Cuba did as to the posters credibility and then some asking of some links from the murder from some posters with high credibility, is not out of line.. Peace Mongers "Chino"

If the guy was shot during a robbery while he was fucking a chica in a hotel or short-time room or something, that is completely relevent to CH. If he was shot while negotiating a drug deal, or was robbed and shot while walking down a main street in Bogota or something in the middle of the day walking to a business meeting, it isn't relevent to CH at all. Still semi-interesting, but as Cubanut says, people get killed all the time in every country in the world.

Sojourner,

I did say in the first statement that I was sorry for Wiseone's loss didn't I? Well I meant it.

Wiseone,

You wrote:
Not to clear with how it happened but guarantted pussy is not worth my life.
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Some clarity please, what is guarantted pussy?

Also, you wrote:
I saw a hottie dancing in a group of girls along with a few dorky lookingh men drinking, turns out those guys were drugdealers, killers, not sure but where rich. If it wasnt for the fact that we got frisked before entry and no guns allowed, i too would have been dead. guarantteed.
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Why do you feel that you would have been dead also? What did you do that you thought it could have happened. How did you find out that they were drug dealers/killers? Where was this at? And what was dorky looking about them?

I do agree that "a hottie" is not worth getting into fight over, not even an arguement. Over the years I have found that such problems typically occur when a drunk guy at a bar or disco tries to lay into another man's woman and all hell breaks loose because the other guy had to show his "macho" to his woman and hurts the drunk guy in some way. Then the drunk guys buddies jump in and you know the rest.

I live by the old saying "Never mess with another man's rhubarb".


Cubanut

Death is simply a reality of life. It happens when it happens, truthfully your in greater danger when you pull out of your driveway in the morning. The odds of your getting whacked mongering in Medellin are no greater (and maybe less) then the German tourists that got killed in Miami a few years back. Your more likely to get killed on the ride to or from the airport....just that simple.

All that being said I'm sorry for your loss....it's always tough to lose a friend or family member.

Hi Wiseone

I would also like to extend my condolences for the loss of your friend but it would be helpful if you could provide some more detail information. This request is not out of some morbid curiosity but because knowledge is strength and might help some other poor schmuk (possibly me) to avoid the situation that your friend encountered.

I think that most mongers would agree that our hobby has some unique dangers, but then again so do most activities worth pursuing whether it is Skydiving, mountain climbing, scuba diving or even going for a walk in your home city.

I have to confess that as I plan my first visit to South America that crime is one of my major concerns and I come from South Africa…

It should make you kind of curious that a small challenge of doubt has been put to wiseone with no response. why?

Isawal
Dont worry your a BIG guy you will be fine!
Plus you got me as a bodyguard! LOL
(Im booking my flight too)

All around the world its the same song.
Mongers dont kill people - people kill people!!!
We are Lovers not Fighters

Wiseone - to your buddy from Canada R.I.P

"We live in a NastyWorld"

Hopefully this thread will get moved to somewhere in the Columbia discussion area, as it certainly doesn't qualify as a trip report.

I believe the point behind both Wiseone's and Cubanut's messages is that there is truly no safe place in the world to travel. One must always watch out and take precautions when they travel to any location, domestic or foreign.

However, I would like to point out some fundamental differences between Chicago and Columbia for the sake of argument.

In Chicago, some neighborhoods pose a higher risk then others. These neighborhoods are well known among the locals. The crime is heavily documented in each different area by the FBI (Uniform Crime Report) and any person can access this data by the use of the internet or local library. There is a well established police system, you can call "911" for an emergency.

As an American, you can blend into a place like Chicago. No one is likely to think you are from a different area of the country and its not so obvious that your a tourist.

In Columbia, you are not likely to know which neighborhoods pose the highest risk. The police system you may not be familiar with...can you call 911, i dont know, how fast is the response time, again another mystery. You will most certainly stand out as a tourist and blending in will prove to be more difficult.

So the moral of the story is to be cautious and paranoid with any country you visit. As a tourist, you will always stand out. Read all the travel warnings and prepare for the worst possibility. Use common sense above all. For example, getting drunk and rambling through the streets late at night is probably not a good idea. Leaving your wallet out on the night stand while your woman is sleeping next to you is not a good idea.

There are always risks before rewards. . .

"As an American, you can blend into a place like Chicago. No one is likely to think you are from a different area of the country and its not so obvious that your a tourist."


really? have you been to the south and west sides of town recently. I certainly don't blend in.

Point taken tho-- anyone has gotta fire a few Synapis off for good measure.

I've never been to Columbia, YET...however, if I get shot walking out of Centaurus next week, I died one happy mofo...everyone throw a party for me!

Greetings Guys,
Wow, didnt expect such a response. For starters I have been a member for years along with a competitor site. I do post reports, have done all the usual DR, CR, Brazil, Argentiana, Chile, Peru, and soon to be cuba and on and on. I dont have a continous pay membership so sometimes I have to create a new memberid. Check mundolite my previous ID. Anyways, cant not give you news links because i got the news over the phone from Colombia. Not sure if it hit the press. I agree that a foreigner should be top news but than again, not sure press wants the attention or if it even cares because its one person death. Cubanut all do respect, to answer your questions Why do you feel that you would have been dead also? What did you do that you thought it could have happened. How did you find out that they were drug dealers/killers? Where was this at? And what was dorky looking about them? TextI've been to Colombia several times. I know what dangers exist and what can happen. Did not say they would drug dealers but when you have 6 super hot women prancing around with a few subpar men, i dont think it is because if there great personalities. Its no secret Colombian mafia thrived in the past. Not a million ways to get rich down there. Professionals often are underpaid if there lucky to have a job in there field. How do i know if i would have been dead? Because i was clearly confronted and threatend. The girl also warned me to just leave the club. Like i said, this particular club people were frisked and metal detected. Many locals confirmed, i was lucky to get off with a warning. Basically i seen this girl dancing and we had chemistry so i made a move. Bad move on my part i guess. This happened in EL Poblado area I believe calle 10. In the past it has been confirmed that a 'traqueto' or drug dealer would kill a man to take his girl, even if it was for one night. No shit. Im gonna lay low from there for now. Its a shame, beautiful city but still needs years before full turism can be in effect. Sorry guys, just wanted to share the news. Gave me a wakeup call. Again, not saying that my friend died in this way, but he was there mongering and yes he could of died anywhere but it happened there. If i find anything i will post so you can verify its authenticity.

I would certainly have expected this incident to have been discussed over on the other board where Aussie Greg does his posting and Smirker is infamous.

I think Wiseone is right to be careful but not to be too paranoid.

I spent a lot of time at Mangos last week. There are plenty of women to be had, you should just be careful.

I only approached women with no men around. They were there by themselves. Most Colombians are not drug dealers and even if you do pick up one that has a drug dealer boyfriend, you can easily apologize and tell him you didn't know.

There are some clubs where it is safe to hit up non-pros, stick there and you should be fine.

So, sorry for your friend, but if you use wise judgement, you'll be fine.

Two incidents that happened last week to my Administrators family here in El Poblado.
1st, Her mother inlaw was at the front of the lights at Montery, El Poblado, I guy drove up on a motor bike, parked the bike next door to them, pulled out a hand gun with silencer, shot the guy in the car next door and then waved the gun at all the other people in there cars who seen the incedent, hopped on his bike and drove off.

2nd, Her Arnt, was sitting in her car at light´s again in El Poblado, a guy just walked up to her, he had something under his shirt which had a pointed end, he said ¨give me your fucken sterio¨ she said why ? he said again ¨give me your fucken sterio¨ she sais again why with a puzzelled look on her face, again he said ¨give me your fucken sterio you bitch¨ this time even more stronger voice, she said no, he said no thats O.K. then , pulled out his hand with a pointed finger and walked of !!!!!

The Aussie.

Let me tell you a little known secret about Medellin: It's dangerous. Duh! If you did not know that you have not been around the boards too much. If you are a wussy and do not do well in a dangerous environment, have a tendency to get drunk and do stupid shit, like to take chances with your own safety, and the hair does not stand up on your neck when you are in a crowd of strange males, stay away from Medellin. Not for you.

You need to have a finely tuned sense of danger when you are there. Or, you could just camp out at the Mansion and wait for the pussy to find you. If you are careful, you will be OK, but you must be careful.

I am not an expert there, but I have been to Medellin six times in a little over six months. On my fourth trip I visited an orphanage in Guanazal. It is up on the side of a mountain, near the metro cable that runs up the hill from the metro station. It was late afternoon. I knew one of the chicas that lived there. There were eight chicas and one oldere woman who cared for them. They treated me like royalty. They fed me supper and when it was time to go home I asked them to call me a cab. They said no, too dangerous. They insisted I spend the night. I had not planned to do that, but they insisted.

As I was debating this with them, I heard walkie talkies outside. Soon three or four big burly Colombian MP's walked in the door carrying what looked like AK-47's. The sgt. told all the chicas to leave and wanted to talk to me alone. I was scared shitless. He wanted to know what I was doing there and where I was from. He spoke not a word of english. I explained that I was friends with one of the chicas that lived there and I stopped for dinner. He told me how dangerous it was for me to be there. He told me that the taxi driver that dropped me off had called the cops and warned them I was there. The sgt. told me that I was in much danger in this area at night and agreed with the chicas that I should not leave. I agreed to spend the night.

The chicas made me a bed there in the living room. In a few minutes another cop walked in, asked for me by name, shook my hand and left. I asked the chicas who this was, and they told me he was my guard for the night. This guy guarded me all night, standing outside this house in this poor barrio on the side of the mountain in Medellin. He was still there in the morning when I woke up.

I now know that I was in real danger there. It did not seem that way at the time, but there were bad guys living nearby. If any of them new I was there, they would have an easy time with me. If the cab driver called the cops, he could have easily called his buddies. Thank God he chose the MP's instead.

It is dangerous there. You do not want to be a headline.

radio

great story.

Well I guess the question really is:

How safe do you think Medellin is?


The very first Paisa Cubanut locked loins with in Colombia was killed a few months ago in Medellin.

Robert from The Medellin Mansion told me he had finally got on this site and came across the picture of Jimena. He sadly related that she got caught up with some bad mafioso types and ended up being shot dead.

I am deeply saddened by this event because she was so beautiful and sweet.

I met Jimena my very first night in Medelin. I had barely arrived at the Medellin Mansion and put my bags down. I just met the co-owner Greg and he asked me if I wanted to go to Loutron before they closed. I did of course and off we went.

It was late and Loutron was near closing but four girls were still available. Jimena was the last of the four girls and I was taken by her beauty. I knew right then and there I had made the right decision to come to Medellin.

Jimena was very acomadating to me in allowing pictures, kissing, DATY, BBBJ, sex in any position and finishing with CIM.

I'm sure all who were lucky enough to have had her her pleasures will miss her as I will.

You will probably recognize her picture from the competition Annual Hombre Awards for 2005.

Photo: Jimena

CN,
How senseless and tragic.
Radio, I'll bet when those MP's walked in you couldn't have driven a finishing nail up your ass
I wonder if i can bring my Super Blackhawk into the country?
Sparky

Wiseone; I am very sorry for your friend's untimely "accident". Think danger's everywhere, specially in Medellin where one has to be street smart. still i would go to Colombia, specially Medellin, if the opportunity arises.///

Honestly I feel more at ease on the streets of Medellin than in Rio.

Sorry to see what has happened to some, but I think if you keep your head on straight and don't put your nose where it doesn't belong, I think you can avoid the fate of these poor people.

Radioman,
Very intresting story. An adventure indeed. Risky part of the city. You probobly been to whats called 'barrio comunas' or 'neiborhood of the common people' basically the slums or semi slums. Comparable to the favilas of Brazil. Danger can arise there, especially at night. There is one common neigborhood called 'La Sierra' where teenage boys to men in their 20's formed paramilitary gangs and had a allout war with a rival neigborhood. Police presence was scarce so they didnt obide by any laws. Townspeople accepted it and viewd them as protecting the city. (Ironic and stupid) Very intresting award winning documentary came out last year, winning here in the Miami Film Festival 2005. Its called 'La Sierra, Documento bajo fuego de Medellin" or 'Document under the fire of Medellin" http://www.lasierrafilm.com/ Anyways, not trying to say at all that all Medellin is this way, just that some of those barrios are dangerous. Just thought id share this if you ever wondered why police where so concerned. I would stick mainly to staying in EL Poblado. Cant get any better than that in Medellin. Beatiful apartments, shopping malls, dinning, city views, and its much safer.

Regards

Yep, Poblado is safe. But you ain't gettin' no pussy there unless you have time and work for it. The Ricas don't need your pesos.

Sniper,

I agree with what you said about being more at ease in Medellin than Rio.

Yes,I too feel more at ease in Medellin than Rio. But then again I feel more at ease in Rio and Medellin than the city I live in. I'm not kidding. I live in a city with more than it's share of assholes. And from time to time I have had a run in or two (or three or four) with them.

I think that a guy showing his Macho to his woman, when he feels his masculinity threatened in her eyes, is universal although it really is easy to avoid a confrontation over another man's women: LEAVE THE BROAD ALONE! I mean it's a no brainer. And if drinking tends to obscure one's good judgement then I suggest that person learn to know his limitations when drinking.

I'm not immune to making bad judgements:
In the late 80's I was visiting a friend in Carlsbad New Mexico and we went to a disco (only two in the whole town). I had a good buzz going when I started doing the Lambada (the forbidden dance) with my buddy's girlfriend and then gladly took on other local girls who wanted to grind. This did not bode well with the local males and sure enough a little twerp cold cocked me from behind as I was groping his willing woman and all Hell broke loose. Although the bouncers saw what happened, it was myself and my friends that got tossed out after the broke up the melee. I also got banned from ever comming back to the disco. All for doing the Lambada with girls who's boyfriend's were too pussy to do it with them but yet reacted to me when I did it with wild abandon. Go figure.

Back on the Rio/Medellin comparison, I know that if anyone is a bit unsure of or scared to go to Mayorista (the underbelly of Medellin), they definitly will want to stay away from Villa Mimosa in Rio (which I dig alot).


Cubanut

Sorry to read of your loss, my condolences also. In the three weeks I've been in Pattaya two Farangs have been murdered and one kidnapped for ransom by two policemen. The fact is, life is cheap in many parts of the world and even more so in corrupt third world countries where mongers frequent.

Cubanut..that really fucking sucks..my condolences..

Wow, the incident surrounding Jimena is indeed very sad. What makes it more tragic is the beautiful photo of her.

The closest I've been to Medellin, is Bogota, which is also a crowded dangerous city. I would like to visit Colombia agin some day, and Medellin is definitely a city I'd like to try and monger in. But after reading these posts, I don't know....

Master Bates

mde is dangerous. i've posted it before. Once me and ws when up a road twds the mountains to meet a sg he knew. There was a police block there and they deamed it too dangerous for us to continue up the hill due to Colombian Guerrilla.

Later that week, i went all the way up that hill with a sg i was seeing, and from the looks i received, i knew it was very uncomon for a guy like me to be at a place like this. I got no threats, just alot of unwelcoming looks.

There are also kidnapping reports of guys who take taxi's from the airport and get kidnapped on the way to the city. best to use the taxi driver the mansion provides, or someone you know.

on top of all this, the many streetgirls and massage girls i've spoken to in regards to danger all have told me that they know personally know someone that has gotten shot over a petty crime. One guy in centro was shot over a cheap cel phone.

Its good to have your guard up in mde, and anywhere in colombia for that matter.

All of you, yes please stay away from MDE. More for me.

I felt much safer in MDE than Rio and I've been to Rio many times.

Just toss the gorillias a bunch of bannana's to pacify them. LOL