Some of the guys on this board have known me for many years. We've met in Rio, BKK, or wherever and shared a drink and a few stories.

Recently you may have been aware that I got involved with Olga, a girl who was working in Medellin but is a bit older and seemed to want to end her career.

She wasn't the 10 that everyone was looking for but she had a fantastic personality and she was probably the best sexually that I have ever been with.

We clicked when we first met in March 2006 and I've been back 3 more times to visit her.

In a prior post I said that it is great if you can take a girl that is working and is towards the end of her career, you may have the best of all worlds.

When I told people I was involved with Olga, I received a lot of shit over it. Some well wishers but mostly people telling me I'm crazy.

Well I'm here to tell you that they were right. She told me she stopped working once and I believed her, when I caught her, she then told me again that she needed the money and that she didn't know what to do.

For whatever reason, I bought it. I believe and still do that she did stop working before I arrived. Keep in mind it was only 2 weeks between the time I caught her and when I arrived.

We did really well when I arrived in MDE. I met her family, her kids, her niece who speaks great English, and a lot of her friends. I know they do not know what she does.

Well, I offered to help (ouch!) I gave her some money (about $500). I took her to the banks and went over how to establish her credit and buy a car since she wanted to buy a taxi to take gringos to and from the airport.

It slowly turned into needing more money. Keep in mind I was with her for almost a year before I gave her a dime. I figured if she was working me, she would have done so much earlier.

I don't think she is a bad person, but she actually doesn't know how to get out of the profession. She dug herself in and needs to buckle down and get herself out.

I was prepared to pay off all of her debts. Yes you heard it right! I went to the bank and was going to take out about $3000! When the bank gave me a little issue, she seemed to be incredibly disappointed and then she dropped the bomb, she couldn't trust ME!

What the fuck was that? I never did anything to show that I was untrustworthy. I met her at the end of my first trip, I went to a few places for other girls for the first few days of my second trip. But when I decided I really liked her, I stopped all mongering activity all together. Not one girl, not even in the USA.

I really had deep feelings for her. I expect to get shit for it but I actually thought this could have been the girl for me. I would be lying if I said it didn't hurt.

If you want an incredible massage and even better sex, I recommend her. She is better than Brazilian girls hands down. She can be found at the Mansion.

On a good note, I spoke to Greg and asked that she be allowed to continue working there and he said that it was no problem.

I know Greg gets pummeled on this board and others, but I consider that a stand-up act. I have no intention to hurt Olga, the truth is if I think we could get past this I'd take her back in a second.

The moral is that if you decide to be in a relationship with a working girl, expect to get burned.

Won't be fooled again!

Sniper,
Hell of way to start the New Year. Not sure you'll get much sympathy here - Anyway Best Wishes.

Sniper Ive met you, met olga and also remember reading your previous posts about the relationship and thought you were crazy. I didnt want to say anything because the truth is you cant tell a guy something he doesnt want to hear. As I am sure others were telling you and you continued to see her anyway. Having said that let me tell you someting productive. Re-invent yourself. Stay away from MDE for a long while and go somewhere else. Do something or go somewhere you have always wanted to go but never did. I hope your business sale went through and if it did you should be in the position to do whatever you want to do. My friend life is short and remember relationships are like partnerships you would never hire a thief in a bank, so why hire a whore for your heart.

"My friend life is short and remember relationships are like partnerships you would never hire a thief in a bank, so why hire a whore for your heart."

I've never heard this expression before. That's a good one, Rocksteady.

Sniper,

I think I remember reading something about your story before. Sorry to hear it didn't work out. It's her loss. She let a good thing slip away. I don't know her but it sounds like you can't change her.

If I was you, I would move on.

Good luck!

Dude, she was working as a masseuse in what amounts to a quasi-bordello. Her clientel is almost 100% monger, so if she used to do programs but was still working in a place like the Mansion, surrounded only by guys like us....damn, that was some strong glue you must have been sniffing all last year, if you thought she was off the program.

A smoker can break their habit but not if they work in the smoking lounge of a cigarette factory.

It doesn't sound like she was doing the long con on you, you offered and she accepted. She probably does like you - remember the rules of dating hookers, they do you for love and everyone else for money and have no problems with that.

Sniper,
I don't know of anyone that got more than a massage with Olga when I was at the Mansion. She always introduced herself as a masseuse. She was steady trying to learn english, having read your reports, I figured you were why she was bothering. Hate it didn't work out for you two. Thanks for sharing, you may save a monger

I know she worked at least once but I've had several people come to me that know her and she's had up to 10 guys in one day in her heyday.

I actually am not really that bent over the fact that she worked, I realize she has 2 kids and a mother to feed. I know, I met them. What really irritated me is that I really thought she was trying to do something else. I actually would have gladly handed over $3K until she really got pissed when I said I'd wire it from the states due to excessive charges.

If you check my posts, you don't really see much about mongering from me over the last year. Just general posts.

Anyway, I did receive an email from her but she isn't very good at it so she just sent a blank message.

I will miss our great sex. You think she is good when she is working, if she is your novia it is 10 times better. I won't kiss and tell but I doubt you guys will experience what I did with her. I fully expect that she'll quickly go back to being a Mansion favorite.

Sniper, plenty of other fish in the Medellin sea.

Hunter

There is more than one Olga who comes to the Mansion, and I don't think you should leave any doubt as to which you are referring to.

There is an (apparently) professional masseuse who is at the Mansion two or three days a week, in the morning, and who seems to be there to give massages only.

There is second Olga, younger than the first Olga, who shows up in the evening, usually with a friend or two, and is there to sell sex.

Rule of life concerning working chicas:

Men they see as customers - they extract money from them.

Men they see as lovers - they give them money. When they are in love, they will come up with cash to bestow on their honey.

I am referring to the older Olga who is the masseuse.

She was only a masseuse originally but was lured into providing sex by the money at one point.

She is a sweetheart but once she tasted the money, she couldn't go back. I saw pictures of her about 3 years old and she was a different person.

I was giving laundry to the maid at my apartment and she told me that Olga was a "Prepago" or prepaid girl. Of course I looked "surprised" and she proceeded to show me pictures of her sisters and friends to see if I wanted to meet them.

Actually a few were really nice looking, I may give it a try.

I think Olga is done with me, she left the Christmas gifts I brought for her family in my room.

My buddies who live here and only do the non-pro scene are saying all sorts of shit to try to make me feel better but its actually making it worse. Numbers of guys who know about Olga are coming out of the woodwork saying that she never intended to stop working. I don't know if I believe that, but who knows.

I'm here for another week, we'll see what happens. More posts to come.

I feel for her, I got lured into providing money by the sex at one point.

Sniper, I recommend doing at least 2 girls a day for the next week. That might ease your pain and you might even enjoy it.

Olga who?!

I was set up by some friends with a 31 year old non pro. She works as a Psychologist.

She was absolutely stunning, very nice, no kids and didn't even want them.

Shit I wished I would have met her the first day I was here.

No sex, didn't even try but a very good date.

Might give Face Dos or Loutron a try tomorrow, it may take the edge off.

Edge officially removed. Loutron was great, I prefer it to Face Dos or some of the other strip club types.

Went on a few dates with non-pros today.

I did get the benefit of seeing a person wielding a gun and firing it into the air and dozens of people scattering.

This was in Poblado.

Sniper was down about a day. We thought we may have to do an intervention, but it looks like he is in the clear. He forgot to mention above after his date with the hottie psychologist he was tearing it up with a 20-something at Palmias (sp?). He should change his handle to Rubberband Man. AZ

This is a non pro trip. Didn't even have sex today, perhaps tomorrow.

I know that many of the guys out there bust my balls for having feelings for a 39 year old hooker, but I can tell she it wasn't her intention to play me. Its all about attitude, I have no disolusions that she is some hottie, I know she wears too much makeup and she shows her age.

But sometimes 2 people just hit it off.

She's still grasping at straws, she sent me an email today accusing me of hanging out with friends because I wanted to meet other women rather than spend time with her.

My response was that I could have gone to Rio and fucked 300 girls and she would have never known. I could have just stopped in on the way back for a week and fucked her.

Well like I said, I won't be fooled again. No more hooker girlfriends.

I had a really nice date with a 24 year old student that is 5'11". Better looks than the Psychologist and lip locked with her at Mangos. I go out with her again tomorrow and the Psychologist on Tuesday.

2 people shot in Poblado last evening or so rumor has it. No mayhem tonight but my travel buddy was pickpocketed in Cartagena during the Electronic music festival. No damage though.

My last night here was uneventful. All the places are closed tonight, even Parque Lleras is completely dead.

Basically this trip has run its course. I met two great non-pros and went to the movies with them. Both blew away Olga, but I'll tell you that it is difficult to match the sex.

My friends keep running interventions to make sure I don't fall off the wagon. So far so good.

I'm ready to flush this trip down the toilet and get ready for my March trip.

Sniper, I know it was a tough trip for you. Even though the Olga thing sucked, look at the bright side, you went out with some pretty hot looking non-pros while you were here. Just come back strong in March (sin Olga). It was great to hang out with you. Hope we get together again. Later, AZ

Almost called Olga from the airport on the way out but resisted the urge.

I just need a few days back in the US to clear my head for my next trip in March.

See you guys then.

Sniper, remember the famous saying..."you can't take the bar out of the bar girl"

Move forward, not backwards, clear your head in the USA, delete Olgas contact details and move on, its for the best, good luck and happy hunting on your next trip here.

Hunter

Sniper,

My prediction is that you will call her within the next week or so, she'll apologize and beg forgiveness or somehow get the hook reset in your mouth, and you'll be back in Medellin before the end of February.

Do all you can to make this prediction not come true but most of the time guys who are in a relationship with a working girl have to break up a couple of times before they're really broken up.

Cat,

You may be right. She's sent a few emails each getting nicer and nicer.

I still have feelings but I have good friends that keep telling me she's probably getting dicked as we speak. Kind of shakes me up a bit.

She was back to work the very next day after we broke up.

Tells me what she really thought of me.

She was back to work the very next day after we broke up.

That would imply that she left work to begin with. I hope for your sake that she did.

Listen to these guys. Dump her telephone numbers, put her email address into your spam folder, go out and bang 3 18 year olds.

Good luck

EA

True, she probably never did.

I don't have her number anymore, I dumped it before I left.

I even dumped her emails and her email address. She does have mine. She has sent me a few emails basically telling me I broke her heart.

My response was, I don't like to continue reading that 5 guys fucked my girl that day and that she never stopped working in the first place.

Face it, everyone has a past, mine was that I was in the Porn industry for many years. Hers is that she is probably the most infamous Prepago in Medellin.

I have to be realistic, to get her out of the business, I would have to bring her to the states or another place where nobody knew her. Everywhere we went, people came up to her and said hello. Others stared at us and would make comments to my friends saying "does he know shes a hooker?". Even the maid at my apartment said that she was a Prepago. So there was no hiding from it.

I am moving there, why would I want to bring her here?

The problem I have is that I'm probably going to see her picture or hear her name on this board for the next few years until she is no longer working because guys just won't fuck her anymore or she decides enough is enough.

I can tell you that it will be painful. It was stupid to get involved in the first place. Too bad, I really liked this one.

I may cancel my subscription over it. I'm starting to like the non-pro options rather than the mongering lifestyle.

One of the best pieces of advice I got when I was similarly "hooked on a hooker" a few years ago and she was giving me major grief, was to go to the terma where she worked and fuck her best friend, waving to her as I left the boite for the room.

I did, and my friends were dead on: I immediately started getting a lot more respect from the W who previusly was "doing me wrong". Plus, it was a great session!

As my buddy Sandman is fond of saying "The only thing better than pussy is FRESH pussy!"

Sniper, thanks for posting this. This is a reminder to all of us that "once a pro, always a pro".

Even if one of these girls does have true feelings for you, you will never know if one day she will just "snap". There girls have deep-rooted psychological issues. I compare it to maybe a dog that was abused and mistreated. You could be a wonderful new owner, treat this dog like part of the family -- a perfect nurturing home. Then one day, that dog sees something that reminds them of the past and take a huge chunk out of your leg, and return to their pack of wolves.

It seems hard to believe to us, but in a way I believe these girls enjoy being hookers. They will say otherwise, but it is more than the money that satisfies them. Perhaps at a young age, they were raped by their father/uncle/etc. repeatedly. They got used to the abuse, much like they talk about kidnapped people actually befriending their kidnappers and not wanting to escape. Providing sex to their abusers was learned behavior of pleasure not pain. So to have a "relationship", the girl actually NEEDS to have abuse in it -- like slap her around a bit. I for one am not going to do that -- that is fucking Jerry Springer type shit.

You combine psychological issues (ADD, bi-polar, depression) with a poor education, amigas in the same situation, drugs, alcohol, sex, etc. and it is perpetual snowball that builds momentum. It is unescapeable and they will always be lured back in.

It is so fucking out of touch reality, that I certainly don't have the financial resources, time, patience, etc, etc, etc to even bother to get involved. For any guy that chooses to get involved, there will be zero-reward. And that is a fact.

The best thing to do is just treat these girls as simply friends and enjoy them. In my experience they will respect you more and provide better service anyway.

Cincoleche,

Couldn't agree more. I do believe she had feelings (and still does from the number of emails since I left) but she just can't get out of the lifestyle. She's lived it too long.

It is a shame, I was done for before she started pulling the money shit.

I prefer the non-pro route in MDE.

Frankly, if you want to pay, you are MUCH better off going to a pro in Rio. The sex is much better and you don't get any of this "I love you" shit from them if you fuck them a few times.

I fell right into it.

Funny thing, I was stupid and when I returned I fucked my ex-wife. Now I have shit to deal with in the US as well.

I'm a therapists dream right now.

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I fucked my ex-wife

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I have a pre-nup, I fucked her.

Well... You were wise there. May your broken heart be mended by MANY sweet chicas yet to come.

Frankly, if you want to pay, you are MUCH better off going to a pro in Rio. The sex is much better and you don't get any of this "I love you" shit from them if you fuck them a few times.

Sniper, I am not so sure about that. I stick predominantly to the Rio termas pros and I've had some drama issues with the garotas.

I truly believe it is the dream of a Rio garota, to get some fucking gringo doido to marry them but where they get to stay in Rio fucking around. The text message, emails, phone calls, etc. can get to be a fucking novela and somewhat entertaining. I mean there is nothing wrong with the "Rio wife" concept just so long as did not impede on your mongering fun.

Guys just have to learn the translation of their messages:

"meu amor" -- my gringo banking card
"te amo" -- I love money, gimme more
"estou com saudades" -- I miss your money
"gostoso" -- stupid fuck, I want your money

In response to their game, you say:

"meu amor" -- my pussy
"te amo" -- I love fucking your pussy
"estou com saudades" -- I miss fucking your pussy
"esposa futura" -- you are favorite pussy until the next fine young thing comes by.

If you for a second take the messages literally, then you aren't playing the game anymore and then you are labeled "the shmuck".

Sniper,

Please get on a plane and either go to Rio or Pattaya and fuck 3 girls a day for about 10 days. If you're fucking your ex-wife there's no telling what you'll do next. Do the safe and sane thing and go lay some pipe in a far off land.

This advice is free and much better than anything a therapist could give you.

I agree with Cincoleche that most gdps are irreversibly damaged goods. Though I’m not sure it has to do with abuse (that’s more likely for US pros, and though I’m sure it applies to some Brazilians as well, I’m not sure it’s the predominant motive for entering the profession). Having said that, I do believe that almost every gdp has three attributes that would always make them bad mates: they are lazy (it’s a lot easier to open your legs and say “mexe” than have a real job or go to school), selfish (you have to be to disregard your family’s or boyfriend’s concern with the profession) and deceitful (how else can you convince a fat old man that he is the best fuck she ever had). Also, I think these girls will always return to hooking even if they win the lottery because they are addicted to the attention and being desired by many men.

Though I would never consider a relationship with a gdp, I understand sniper’s situation. There are certain gdps that I’ve clicked with that I really like spending time with. You can only fuck so many hours in the day and it’s nice to have someone to go to dinner with, the beach or buzios. But there are very few gdps that are fun to be with outside the cama since most have the personality of a cardboard box. So I find I can sometimes get a bit attached to those rare gdps that have a fun personality. Recently, a favorita of mine informed me that she’s going to work in Europe and won’t be in Rio on my next visit. Though I’m far from being in love with her, I am disappointed since it’s going to be hard to find another gdp who’s as fun and has a sense of humor like hers, even though she's not the hottest or best fuck out there.

(Message edited by lennox on January 15, 2007)

Best of luck.

(Message edited by majormajor on January 16, 2007)

Lennox, why stop at just those 3 "qualities". From my eyes, I believe the GDP's regardless of the country posess all 7 of deadly sins:
1.) Vanity (for sure)
2.) Envy (the garotas are always jealous of everything)
3.) Gluttony (shopping)
4.) Lust (sex)
5.) Anger (oh yeah)
6.) Greed (hmmm, I doubt they give to charity)
7.) Sloth (sleep till noon everyday)

Let's face it, their faults and flaws are actually what appeals to us since every now and again a man HAS to overindulge in life's simple pleasures. I am glad these girls exist, they are instant, fun party-toys. The problem is we like them this way for a week or so while we are there, not realizing that they behave like this ALL THE TIME.

Sorry in advance for getting into this thread so late. . .

It might be too late because the dynamic of the relationship has probably changed too much by now, but I didn't see much of a problem originally.

Sniper enjoyed this woman's company for almost a year. He "invested" some bucks on her ($500) to help her out. Hell, that's what millions of clueless American guys spend on a stupid night out in Vegas or at a strip joint. He risked three grand? How many millions of American men would wish to be in Snipe's position of ONLY having risked $3K on a woman? :-)

Just putting this in perspective guys.

Sniper, if you really enjoy this woman's company why not give it another shot? Your problem is expectations. Forget about some kind of "commitment." And you certainly can't "reform" her. Only she can do that, and as others have mentioned here, the chances are slim.

Still, why not enjoy the relationship for what it is? Great sex and decent companionship when you're together. . . which is probably not that often (another advantage from my viewpoint). And again, put this in perspective: there's millions of MARRIED couples that lack those two things.

You're a monger. You can rationalize all you want about "non-pros" but you are a paying member of this site, right? :-) You're a monger. . . and she's a pro. Nothing necessarily wrong with that as long as both sides can keep realistic expectations. That's what got you sidetracked. I'll admit though, that is easier said than done.


One last thing about money. If you want to spend thousands on this woman to try to help her, that's fine. I don't think it'll work, but it's your money and you have a right to spend or waste it as you damn well please. And I don't think anyone has a right to criticize how a man spends his money, at least if it's his discretionary income! :-) Just one caveat: money will NEVER buy a woman's loyalty. Whether she's a pro or a non-pro, it doesn't matter. Loyalty comes from her personality, upbringing, and of course those "feelings" which is the "x-factor" that changes over time.

Most guys have a very hard time accepting this truth which is one of the main sources of misery in the world, but that's for another thread. . . ;-)

Torpedo,

Actually I am there quite often. Every other month for a few weeks.

The problem is that she wants monthly help and she swears she isn't going to work anymore. Yeah right. AZGuy told me guys living in MDE came up to him and said she never stopped working. I believe AZ before her.

As far as being a mongerer. I guess I am again, I didn't go to any pro (other than her I guess) for the entire time we were together. So during that time I didn't really consider myself a mongerer.

I was a member of this site because I frankly didn't trust that she stopped working and I just wanted to keep tabs. I was apparently right.

Anyway, the sex was great but frankly not worth the emotional investment.

Since her, I've been keeping in contact with some of the non-pros that I met during the week I was in MDE where we broke up.

Nice girls, good girls, never a pro, and both VERY HOT. You don't need pros in MDE if you have time. But it will take time and language skills.

I don't need a 39 year old whore.

Too bad, I was ready to settle down with this one. A matter of fact, I told her if she took off the makeup and the hair extensions and stopped dressing like a Prepago, I may take her back. Only if I can have continual confirmation that she is not working.

Basically I'm asking the impossible. It won't happen.

25-30 year old non-pros for fun, Pros to take the edge off (if needed). My new mantra.

Sniper, Torpedo makes some excellent points. I know you are looking for just one woman, but if you could keep your emotions in check, you could just be with her when you are in Medellín. Just take it for what it is. AZ

Arizona...excellent post.

Funny you say that, I told her that maybe we can have an open relationship, she can fuck mongerers and I can fuck whoever I want.

She went ballistic. She wants me for herself. Her problem is that she views being a Prepago as a job rather than a lifestyle. Its terrible that I slipped off the wagon and had sex with my ex when returning to the USA, but when I commented on the two guys she blew before I even left, she said "well thats my job!"

Whore logic, got to love it. Won't even acknowledge that it cuts me deep when I hear stuff about her.

I basically told her that if she strips off the layers of makeup, gets rid of her cheap hair extensions, and goes for a more natural and professional look, she can get a job at a bank or something straight, I would help her.

I've seen her when she had no makeup on, her hair was short, and she was dressed nicely. She was stunning. Its when she cakes on the makeup and walks around like she's 20 when she looks cheap. I didn't like her because of her looks, it was her personality and her performance in bed that did it for me.

In short, that isn't going to happen. If it does, then maybe she is turning a new leaf. You never know, she is older and maybe has a shelf life of 2 years before she's done in the business. I've got to believe she understands that.

Anyway, I've extended the olive branch, but I don't suspect she will take it. Of if she does, I am sure she'll have something up her sleeve. I certainly don't trust her at this point.

I don't think I could keep my emotions in check. I don't think she could either.

So you would feel a need to tell her everything you do? kick in that man-whore logic and it sounds like you might be able to work around this thing. Just make sure you are Nopago. (ok, so I just made that word up, but I like it) AZ

I guess I could but I know with her I would get emotionally involved again. I have already stopped playing in the US because I don't want to get involved with someone when it might affect my decision to leave at the end of the year.

I'm just starting to shake the sorrow I have been experiencing. A few emails from Milena (AZGuy knows who I am talking about) and even one from the "Nose Job" girl, has pulled me out.

The big help has been when a friend turned me on to www.latinamericancupid.com. My email is full with girls wanting to talk to me all day long.

I've been talking to a 25 year old lawyer from Bahia Brazil who is absolutely hot (better than the tall one AZGuy). She PM's me a few times a day and even called me on my Skype phone! Talk about motivation.

Olga said she wanted to talk with me today, but I'm certainly not going to call her.

Even if she pulled out of the lifestyle, I am not sure what I would do at this point.

No Olga at the Mansion in the last week.

Thanks for the update. She really only works there when Robert is in town. There is some connection there that I don't understand.

Her emails have tailed off and she's not calling me on my Skype phone anymore, so I think its a dead issue.

Sniper -

You had a vasectomy because you do not want kids. Okay, that was right for you. You've been divorced twice, I think?

Did those marriages fail...or did they serve a purpose and therefore were actually successful in a certain way?

Who's to say you can't have another 3 or 4 marriages yet, each serving a purpose as your life desire's evolve...as you grow older and wiser? Maybe you only need one more marriage...maybe you are done?

Consider...you liquidated or are about to liquidate all you have to move to Colombia to live the mongering dream. Then you met a woman like you've never met before (a whore you find overly stimulating and attractive).

Have you met other women like Olga and you married them only to discover the need was short lived?

Or, maybe Olga is truly a unique soul-mate for you and you need to go make her yours for the rest of your life?

What is it that you are seeking from a woman like Olga? What is it about her that makes you want to be with her? What is it about her that makes you crave her?

You need to answer these questions for yourself and evaluate what is right for you.

Polling friends and members on-line might give you something to mull-over...but nobody here knows what is absolutely right for you. You must make your own decision and hope it works out for the best.

IMHO, the saying "nothing ventured...nothing gained" is probably true, but nothing ventured also equals a net-loss due to inflation. Therefore, sometimes seeking a new venture is bold and therefore the best choice.

I'm an old romantic at heart. Yes, I treat women as sexual objects to fulfill my erotics fantasies, as we all in this club do, but just like anybody else, I need a loving and a friendly relationship with a woman to feel complete. Without this I feel empty and cold.

What would happen if you did another prenup and married her? What is the worst thing that can happen...you take a chance on fun, happiness, love, sadness, or in better words, "the illumination that makes life worth living"...in exchange for the risk of a no-financial-loss divorce and a fresh start to try again. Oh, well.

IMHO it is possible for an old whore to make a good wife and life-long companion...why? She's reaching her 40s soon. Men will no longer desire her...soon she'll have nothing to sell to them. You'll be all she has...therefore, she should want to commit everything towards making you happy in exchange for a life beyond P4P.

And so, what if she fucked a few guys for money while you were away...do you own her...are you engaged to her...because you gave her a little money and you told her you love her, did this give her security that you will help provide for her forever? You know the answer is no. Any woman, whore or not, needs money to live. People want to survive, so they will do what they must.

Olga is/was a professional whore...she probably fucked more than 500 men during her career...maybe even a lot more. Did you think she was tainted when you met her? Is she now tainted because she allowed other men to cross your property line in exchange for money to live?

IMHO. If you think you can be happy with her if she doesn't work P4P any more...then broker a deal with her. Sacrifice something to make her feel more secure. Make a commitment of sorts (other than just periodically handing her $500 and telling her she is now yours because she lives with you and fucks you when you are in town).

Be realistic and understand her needs and fears...she's probably afraid she'll be abandoned soon (due to age) with no way to make money to live...it sounds to me she is doing what she must do given you provided her with no guarantees.

Make a promise to her in exchange for her promise, then do your best to live-up to that promise. Assume the risk in exchange for a possibility.

Or, move on and continue looking for whatever it is you need.

Or, become a monk like me.

AJ

Well, the reality is that I am addicted to the sex. We really don't have anything in common.

She is exactly what I am looking for sexually. Everyone knows her sexual exploits and expertise. If she loves you (as she professed to me), there is nothing she won't do.

I have not really given details because she knows some of you guys. I'm going to leave it that way.

Beyond that, honestly nothing.

The reality is, long distance relationships don't work with whores. They don't. So I will need to wait until I moved there.

If she is single and open to a relationship when I am there and I have not met anyone else....maybe. But I don't want to have to monitor this site and others to see if she is fucking.

I don't own her but at the same time, I don't want to read that people are fucking her either.

The fact of the matter is, most girls in MDE are non pros and most never have fucked for money.

The upside is no baggage, the downside is that I need to train them to fuck.

The reality is, she has too much baggage for me. No trust in men, no trust in people. She's been fucked over too much by others.

And as nice as we say Robert is at the Mansion, he has ruined her view of all gringos. So no trust in me ever.

So frankly I don't think it is going to work.

There's no question that long-distance relationships with pros are impossible, yet so many continue to pursue them.

1 - long distance relationships are difficult for anyone.

2- long distance relationships with Brazilian are particularly difficult (may be the same for Colombians), because Brazilian women need someone paying attention to them and holding them all the time. Plus it is almost impossible for them to come visit, making meetings even less likely.

3 - long distance relationships with Brazilian girls in their 20s are impossible (I know this isn't the case for Sniper, but it is for most monger-gdp relationships). Girls in their 20s fall in love every three days and, like anyone at that age change their mind and their desires frequently.

4 - long distance relationships with brazilian gdps in their 20s are not even worth thinking about. In addition to all of the above, they are very untrusting of men (especially when they're out of site), they are in an environment where they meet a lot of men making propostions, and they are lazy (and you can't be if you want to get a fiance visa, it takes a lot of effort, even by the gdp). There is a list of other factors that make them very weak candidates for long-distance (or even short-distance) relationships, but you get the point.

Despite the fact that such relationships are doomed to fail, time and again mongers fall into the trap thinking their case is special - their lottery ticket will be a winner. I have seen guys lose a lot of money and a lot of their emotional well-being in these relationships. Why are so many mongers so eager to turn fun into drama?

Simple reason, they are hotter than the mongerer can get in the US and so they will do anything to believe the fantasy.

Sniper,

I've never met you and don't want to make any assumptions, but I've seen situations similar to your's and here's my opinion:

You don't have a problem with Olgas past, you really don't have that much of a problem with Olga continuing to turn tricks. Your problem is that she's a house hooker in the Medellin Mansion and most likely a large number of the guys from this board, many of whom you know, have done her. One could be doing her right this minute, another will probably do her tomorrow.

I made the comment weeks ago that a smoker can quit but probably not a smoker who works in a cigarette factory. The fact that you fell for a puta is one thing, but the fact that she works at the Mansion is what really blows my mind. I'm reminded of three years ago when Alderon and Samara were a hot item in Rio. Everyone but me it seemed had nailed Samara at one point or another, she had stalked Sandman for a while, etc and all of a sudden one of the guys from the Rio crew was in love with her. Sidebar - they got married 2.5 years ago and I believe they are still married and living in the US.

Alderon knew all about her - shit, I think one of the guys even offered to bring a porn video of her's over to his apartment one night - but he kept the blinders on and pushed forward. Here's a politically conservative, blonde haired, blue-eyed, mid-30's American with all of six months of mongering under his belt and he's pairing up with one of the more famous termas garotas at the time. I don't know how he did it but he managed to block it out.

As far as Samara, I'm sure it was much easier - she was looking to get out and Alderon provided the path.

I'm sure that Olga would do what you want her today, provided you did the K1 thing and got her up to the US. As long as she's there you won't trust her but the bigger issue is dealing with the fact that your voluntary suspension of disbelief - that the house puta of the Medellien Mansion was doing all the guys you know when you thought she was off the program. No one can answer that for you but deep down you must have known she was still on the program. Are you just devestated that she was open in front of your friends about it?

Think of it this way - if she had left the Mansion and was still turning tricks but in a private casa and only with rich Colombianos, would you feel better about the situation? If the answer is yes than the problem really is inside your head.

No, I would not like that either. I don't have a problem with her past, I just don't want to put a future into a woman that is just going to fuck me over in the long run.

This site is great because at least I could keep tabs on her, but frankly I don't want a woman that I have to keep tabs on.

Sniper,

Do you accept the fact that putas, pretty much everywhere in the world, clearly differentiate between fucking a guy for money (work) and fucking their boyfriend/husband (pleasure/love)?

That being said, the only possible positive result you could have hoped for, in your mind, is to have done a fiance visa, flown her here and gotten married. Any other alternative would not get her off the program IMHO. Even if she got a square job in a store or bank or something, it would be a lot less money than she makes hooking. Thus, that's in inferior decision in her mind, since the fucking is just work and doesn't mean anything to her. Why work all day and make a couple of bucks when she could fuck for 10 minutes and make a lot more? It's hard for us to understand but the choice is easy to make after she's worked as a puta. The only real hard choice is to become a puta or not. Once a girl decides yes and does it for a while and gets used to it, it's a high-paying job. Which is why every GdP, puta, escort, etc goes back eventually to hooking provided that their life status doesn't change. Olga's life status did not change - you didn't marry her, you didn't move there, she didn't move here, no Snipettes came popping out, etc etc. You expected her to change when in her eyes there was no margin in it.

My advice - get her a K1 and bring her up for a month or two and see how it goes.

Cat,

The other alternative was that I am moving to Medellin in November. She knew that I was moving there, not for her but I am retiring.

She makes about $1.5 Million pesos hooking. I told her to switch to massage only and I would cover the rest as long as I knew she wasn't hooking (thanks to this site, I know when she works and when she doesn't).

So all she needed to do is hang on for a year while I supported her.

There was no way that I would bring her here, I don't want to stay here either. Her status did change, for the past two months of 2006, I sent her money just as promised. When I was there only a few weeks ago, I again helped her.

I committed resources in the country to get a Visa, so she knows I'm coming. I made business contacts, hired an employee (well almost, it didn't work out), and even arranged for her to get credit.

Fact is, she's a Prepago. She thinks like a Prepago, and will probably be a Prepago until nobody wants to fuck her anymore.

There are too many girls out there that don't have this baggage. I don't need to mess with it anymore.

When I am there permanently in November and she wants to get back together and not hook anymore, I may entertain that. But frankly I don't have to. I'm young, in shape, and have a lot to offer.

I'm over it. I don't even return her emails or phone calls anymore.

I told her to check back with me when I live there as there is no way that I can trust her until then. Even then, who the hell knows.

Sorry, I also forgot to say that I really do think she is a great woman. She's just been in the business too long and doesn't know how to trust people.

Even though I have given her every reason to believe me, she has trust issues. I have not failed her in any promise that I have given until she showed that she has no intention to trust me. Believe me, she did things for me that she has never done with any of you guys. Ever. So I know there were feelings there. She even went to friends of mine as well as her own family and told everyone how she felt.

She's a good person and will always have a special place in my heart.

But if I needed a woman with baggage, I could stay in the US and date a 39 year old.