I will leave the saturday night before you get in.

This last week was disapointing for whats suppose to be high season.Not just Help, but the whole p4p scene..

Carnaval is not the right time to go for p4p, this week was ok still. For example, all the gdps i have interviewed in sp, they either head home or go the beaches for carnaval so no work on their mind. For rio, the termas are going to be closed, hotels quadruple rate so you´re left with Helpée.´..good luck

So I am thinking about giving Help a another chance on my next trip. Anyone ever get quotes in dollars these days? I used to have gdp's ask for dollars, however, that was in the old 3-1 exchange rate days...

From the reports I have received, the garotas are asking 400 to 500 Reals. Of course, it is the high season, with many novice mongers. Man, I miss that place...

I remember those 3 to 1 days. The debt heavy dollar is going to tank. Don't forget the huge trade deficit as well. Valeu!

The pricing in Help is absolutely ridiculous before 2:00 AM. However, if you negotiate at 3:00 AM and later you can still obtain a good deal. If you close out help (during Carnaval Help was opened until 6:00 AM in the morning) then you can name your price.

However, there were much better bargains by negotiating at the terrace since the prices for entering help were (70,80,60,60 reals during Carnaval) relatively high especially for all of the new talent in town.

Howard, I would love to see what these girls who asked you for 70R, looked like (During Carnival no less!!) I was there the first 12 days of Feb and average looking girls were asking for 200R for a couple of hours. I would love to hang with you and get those kind of asking prices!!!

Thumper, the prices that I listed above were the entrance into help, not the prices for the women that I picked up.

At the terrace, before midnight I picked up a garota for 2 hours for $100 real. All of the guys at my table (Jaguar, and others) were surprised. I'll let them judge the quality of my selection.

Inside help, at 4:00 in the morning I picked up another girl for $200 reals

However, I did run into some garotas that were quoting 400 reals, 500 reals even at 4:00 in the morning.

Howard,

You are absolutely right!! You pulled a stunner out of Terrasco Atlantico for the amazing price of R$100 and she wanted to stay all night. The one I got only charged R$100 but split after the two hours were up. Why is that? For some strange reason, I have that affect on women. I just can't fathom it.

As you know. I was once again conducing valuable and intense research into the pricing structure at Help. On my first night, I snagged a freebie who was fantastic. Once again I told the girl I didn't want to have sex with her and she turned into a fucking Tigress. Then I ran into the belly dancer and things took an unexpected turn. Yeah, I know it, you're still laughing about that episode.

Isn't it amazing how some of these girls quote such high prices at 4:00 AM? If you get them talking, the prices rapidly drop to more reasonable levels.

Jag

Sorry Howard, guess I didnt read your post carefully enough. Thanks for clarifying it.

help talent has increased their prices it seems..I have ran across several who would not budge from 350..damn..if they know you yeah 200-300 all nighters..but jez one at the terrace the other night quoted another hombre r600!!so its really all over the board right now because the high/low season is upon us..

So this may not be the IDEAL location for this post, but met her outside Help...

Met this one back in late 2004 - to this day, one of the hottest I have come across...had her # but no good anymore...anyone recognize? have an update or information as to her whereabouts or contact info????

Photo: Blue Dress - Help

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Was at Help the past couple of nights and there was not much talent there to write home about. But the few stunners there were not asking insane prices. Starting from 300R to 200R. But anyone coming down to Rio heading to Help soon, beware, there are awful lot guys there. I mainly wish these fellow brothers there would stop acting like they are back at college doing some step show or Something in front of a crowd who could care less for their performance. A bunch of showoffs!! I thought by coming to Rio I would avoid this GHETTOness. Guess not. But still not as bad as the Ghettoness back in my home state at clubs where I will NEVER venture into again.

C20

Tell your relatives to behave themselves or "brothers" as you call them.

WTF is that supposed to mean?

So far I'm in agreement with Layne, the garotas are asking outrageous prices(well, for me anyway). Helpe has been really slow, and more so on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday nights. I'm here with 4 friends and we all getting price quote of R300/1 hour and R500/TLN. I used to remember pulling average ones for R200 TLN and hot ones, by my standard, around R250-R300 TLN.

The ones that think they are hot are not willing to negotiate at all. There are not many guys in town so they got to be hurting for business, unless some made a ton of cash during carnaval.

Last Friday Help exchange rate was 2.0 but raised it to 2.10 these past couple of days.

GPs in Brasil have the same mindset as other business people in that country: if business is slow (demand is low) and there is lots of competition (supply is high), raise your prices!

I guess they don't read Adam Smith in Brasil.

Its really easy to ask for 300R per hour when you have a number of idiots who are sending you money every month. I would say that at least 90% of the super hot girls in Help have someone sending them money not to work!! Even though its almost slow season, they arent hurting for money at all. Anything they make out of help, is just sugar on top.

Damn, prices have really gone up. The last girl I took out of Help cost me 150R for 3 hours and she was a super freak! Hope it turns around before Sept. AZ

Thumper hit the nail on the head: the stunners usually have one or more U.S. boyfriends sending them money (thinking they have taken them off the program) so they are select or unwilling to negotiate on price as they don't need the money. The average gdp's have to negotiate.....

For the life of me, I can't understand how these guys send a chick money if she claims she's not working. And most of our fellow mongers are well-educated supposedly smart guys. Do they really think the chick stops whoring? And even if they stop working (which they don't), they still have their Brazilian boyfriends that fuck them. These guys must have money to burn. It seems they could pay for a hooker in the U.S. everyday and come out ahead.

Well, I know for a fact that we have some CH members, including a couple of fairly prominent members, who wire money into their "namoradas'" accounts monthly. How do I know? Last month I was banging one of these "no longer on the program" GPs at the apartment her CH boyfriend is paying for. She showed me her bank statement with the regular wire transfers. She told me about a couple of her friends who also have sugar daddies. She laughed and said that while she and her friends are no longer working at Help/Meia Pataca/etc., they are still seeing old clients and accepting new ones through word-of-mouth. A GP can never have too much money, right?

Not all the sugar daddies are Americans. There are plenty of stupid Italians, Germans, and so forth.

Hey Mellow89, why don`t you tell them to behave them selves?

Elgrancombo, its real easy to figure out why these seemingly intelligent men, send money every month to their "girlfriends". These gdps are masters of the hard life spiel "I really hate working in help! I hate having to go with a different man every single night!"

Most Americans dont want to believe that a girl actually enjoys drinking, dancing and fucking every night. These guys are convinced that she is miserable and that he must come to her rescue and save her from such a horrible life.


They honestly believe that if they send enough money, the girls will stop working and either go to school - open a hair salon - open a travel agency - open a clothes store etc........

Oh, I believe their spiel--to a point! Most of them don't like fucking a different guy every night. Most of them worry about whether the guy they will be fucking tonight will give them an std, pass along the flu or some other infectious disease, be the guy who likes to rough up girls, etc. You've all seen some of the guys walking out of Help with pretty hot-looking GPs, so you know these GPs have to put on a pretty good act to pretend like they're enjoying their work in some instances. Many like the drinking and dancing part, although for some the drinking is just a form of self-medication so they can get through another depressing encounter with a stranger.

At the very same time, they love the money and the flexibility. Most GPs aren't exactly "universitário" material, and aren't ever going to make much more than the minimum salary (there are exceptions, I know). If a Help garota pulls three sessions/week at 300 reais/session (i.e, 3600/mo), she's obviously doing much better than had she taken the minimum salary shop job that pays about 350 reais/month. It's not hard to see why many garotas would feel like fucking guys for a few years might be a better path to upward mobility than selling shoes at the mall.

Like everyone else in the world, the GPs want to have their cake and eat it too. So I don't blame the girls for trying to sell an illusion to guys. After all, that's what a lot of the guys are looking for. For every guy who comes to town for simple fun and fucking, there's a lonely bastard with an emotional hole in his life who tries to fill it by paying a prostitute to be his girlfriend. While the girls sell an illusion, it's a welcomed illusion for some guys, and these guys are deluding themselves. These guys may try to convince themselves that they're just being altruistic, helping out a sweet girl who would otherwise be living in poverty, doing work she hates. But the real motive for most of these "caixa electronicas" (the girls' nickname for them) is to convince themselves that someone out there loves them and is grateful to them. In this sense, the guys have no one to blame but themselves. I'd feel sorry for them but there's been more than enough info posted on the usual course of events when a guy sends regular payments to a girl who's now supposed to stay off the program. Caveat emptor!

A few of these girls do end up going to school, starting a business, buying a home, and so on, but these are the girls with a sense of purpose who would have managed to succeed without a sugar daddy. Most of the garotas with sugar daddies just piss away the money in the same way that some white-trash lottery winners do in the US.

Yes Thumper it's that and a couple more things.

Conciously, each of these guys wants to believe that their girl is "different."
They'll listen to you talk about the stereo-types and agree with you, but insist that this doesn't apply to THIS girl.

But deeper down, I suspect it's not about "this girl" at all....it's about "this guy."

What the guy REALLY wants to believe it that HE'S the special one and that the girl will be faithful because she's so enthralled with HIM.

All the girl then needs to do is play to this guy's ego needs and he's toast.

Branquinho, you state "Id feel sorry for them but theres been more then enough info posted...", well there are many guys that have never been informed or read the postings, nor are CH members. Can you imagine how these girls are perceived by the uninformed? Those of us either in the know or that have learned thru experience (dumb ass me) certainly have empathy for those who have yet to learn, are learning, and those failing to learn! As you stated: Caveat emptor! I do think any time one of us can impart a little knowledge on this subject to others, rather than criticism, it is most beneficial and I am sure appreciated.....

CFK,

I agree; that's why boards such as CH are so valuable. I didn't mean to appear insensitive to the uninitiated, who just wander into Rio and are blindsided by the theater these garotas play for them. My harsher remarks were intended for some of our CH brothers who have been around long enough to know better. One guy I know had proclaimed his invulverability to such tactics in the past and is now sending monthly wire transfers to his true love.

We've all felt the power of these garotas. But usually, a day or two after getting home, the blood drains from our dicks, our brains start to function again, and we realize that those vows of love and eternal fidelity she expressed might have reflected self-interest rather than real love and affection. Não é?

As far as appreciation, the message has to get to the guy BEFORE the girl does.
If you try to tell the guy after the girl has her hooks in him it's extremely unlikely that he'll listen. At that point he's going to have to learn the hard way.

But on the other issue brought up by Branquinho... it sounds like you're saying that the guys gullibility excuses the deception. I disagree.

Let's say I warn you of a bad area of town and to keep your car locked.

You ignore my warning and run into the convenience store with the windows open and the laptop case laying on the passenger seat.

When it's gone on your return, you may get very little sympathy from me...you were warned.

But the ease of the theft does not excuse the theft or the thief. If you happened to come out and see the guy walking off with your laptop, I sure wouldn't blame you for braking the guy's nose in the process of getting your property back.

I have heard people try to say that if theft is too easy "they had it coming." I have even heard the suspected thieves suggest as much....BULLSHIT. I should be able to leave my house unlocked...my car running at the store while I run in and out...my wallet sitting on the table while I use the restroom. Of course I cannot.

The third party observer can legitimately say I should have known better and have no sympathy.
But the thief can use no such excuse.
If the girl is intentionally deceiveing, she's deceiving...period.
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As for the illusion, if you're in fact just there for the theatre then yes.

Theatre involves "the suspension of disbelief."
While you're watching star trek part of your mind is buying in....but the backgound mental activities are not....you're still sipping your drink and eating your popcorn and commenting on the plot to the person sitting next to you.
The "suspension of disbelief" is powerful enough to allow you heart to race, your palms to sweat, or a tear to form at the corner of your eye at the right time. Part of you is buying in.
You walk out of the theatre and none of it was real.

The problem comes when it's not "suspension of disbelief"...it's belief. And believe me, the girl knows the difference.

If the girl knows you really believe and continues, it's not theatre anymore...it's deception.

The vast majority of guys in any mongering venue in the world are fairly uninformed. Some read websites, others just learn by word of mouth, others just stumble around aimlessly. Even the ones that have access to resources like CH either don't take the time to really learn about where they are going, how things work and the do's and don'ts of their target locations, or are not smart enough to learn it. For every guy I've met who at least seems to have his shit together, I've met 5 who don't have a fucking clue. My personal belief is that active CH members - the guys who contribute information and the many lurkers who learn the information silently and anonymously - and similar members of other boards are such a massively small minority of hobbyists that we are in fact the odd ones. We're the strange ones who don't pay R$150 to get a ride to Zona Sul from the airport. We're the guys who actually negotiate with Help garotas and dry and get a cheaper price. We're the ones who do try and learn a little of the language and local operating procedures of the place we visit. We actually interview girls and care about the level of service, instead of just being happy a strange pussy is available to us and taking whatever looks good or at least is seen first.

I had a mongering mentor when I first hit the road back in the mid-90s. I was in my mid-20's and my "mentor" was in his late 50's, and was a true vet. He had racked up 35 years of mongering and had spent long stretches living and working in Thailand, the PI, Vietnam, Panama, Germany, Italy and a few other spots as well. Like me, he and a bunch of the other guys had always had a job selling stuff to the US DoD, and that was a great thing to be doing back then. The hookers in Okinawa and Seoul and Pusan and Yokahama and Panama and bunch of other places, they were a great bargain for the enlisted guys making $20k per year. To guys making several to many times that amount, they were practically free!

My point is, I had a helping hand from the get go, from a bunch of true whoremongers who would stay up all night with a hotel room full of bargirls, go have the true international breakfast of beer and eggs, knock back a couple of aspirin and go right in on sales calls. These guys were experts at our hobby, and passed on a lot of info to me and some of the other guys.

Compared to that, your average guy on his first trip barely knows how to get from the airport to his hotel without getting robbed and is probably just thankful to have access to what we, or at least I, take completely for granted. He'll walk into a terma, nervously change into a robe, walk even more nervously into the boite, go to the bar, grab a drink and will go sit by himself. The boite vulture will decend - this is the garota that always goes after the newbies and is the most aggressive. He'll sooner or later hand over his key, and go have a session, and generally not know what the fuck he did right and what he did wrong, but he certainly won't care because what he just did wasn't illegal, it cost less than in the US and there looked to be plenty of more girls to do tomorrow.

Some have help, from Don or a friend or maybe someone from one of the boards who's lending a helping hand to a newbie. Others are going solo with no guidance other than a few notes scribbled down before their flight left. Some may be with a bunch of other newbies, who between them all have less knowledge than one CH newbie who has at least read the trip reports and threads and has a general sense of purpose. What I can almost guarantee is that this uneducated newbie will spend whatever the garota at Help/beach/street asks, and that will be that. He's happy, she's definitely happy, and us educated oddballs are the ones pissed because some new guy dropped R$400 for a two hour covered BJ from some garota. From that point on, that garota will be like a tiger who's killed it's first man - she's had the taste of that easy gringo's flesh and that's what she'll want to eat from now on.

And that's why skanks ask for R$400 at Help, and why favela rats have taken over the Copa scene over the last 18 months. Because guys who don't know any better throw money around like they're playing a big fucking game of Monopoly.

(Message edited by catocony on April 06, 2006)

Branquinho, Ejack, and Cat: I wish everyone had access to read just what the three of you alone have posted, let alone all the similar discussions regarding this subject.. It sure could save some heartaches, not to mention a lot of USD! It is amazing how some of the veterans ( guys who have written excellent reports on this very subject)sometimes succumb to "just the right one". We are all vulnerable, which is why a good wingman in invaluable, providing as stated you get there ahead of the GDP. Afterwards is too late, the friendship is jeopardized, etc....we know how that goes. Your insight guys is right on....

Thanks copperfield...now, do suppose this awareness is going to prevent such a thing from ever happening to ME??? lol

We'll see.
At least you can say I was warned.

I should introduce you to my EX, now that WOULD be a test of your resolve.....

Is her pic on here somewhere?

Ejack, see the most recent discussions on Help, my buddies all want to be with her, geez what are friends for? RIGHT......

Ejack, I meant to say Monte Carlo discussion, see I still get screwed up when I think about her!! I make Jag look brilliant.

Ya, I noticed the thread...lol.

So you have experience on this topic...
I have a little myself....don't tell anyone!

I am still the topic of many conversations....in fact, there were a couple of threads posted last year which were of my situation unfortunately...God a fucking legend in my own time! Lets get together in Rio and laugh at our experiences! PM me when you will be there again.

I'll do that...sounds like fun.

Unfortunately, I've got several things up in the air right now and it may be a few months before I can arrange another trip.

It's killing me.

Mongering is not a GAME it's an ART

I think there is a serious problem if you think a hooker you met in Rio is loyal to you and your girlfriend. Some guys have so much money that they don't give a fuck so wiring some garota a few hundred dollars a month is worth it to them in entertainment value. What I find hilarious are the guys who broadcast to the world that they have a "non pro" girlfriend who's so jealous and he has to lie to get away from her, lol. Some guys have different ways of accepting the fact that they are perverts and love fucking random hot young pussy. I ofcourse see it for what it is, I'm not flying to Rio to save you from a horrible life of prostitution,I won't marry you or have children with you but I will give you a nice tip if you fuck my brains out.

I refuse to accept the premise that my desire to "fuck random hot young pussy" is perverse.

The instinct is written on my DNA and I reject the christian notion of original sin...lol.

Cold20, I was there during that dance routine by those clowns at Help last Sun or Mon.Those guys looked like a bunch of morons, but those girls loved that shit.Just when I thought I've seen it all at Help something else comes along.

TRW

I did not read this thread just the last couple of posts and

Well said!

Admittedly, my very first trip to Rio I paid a 18yo model-type Help garota 500R to spend the night with me and I thought that was a bargain. I honestly believed the garota was "in-love" with me because we showered together, BBBJ/CIM,DFK and multiple orgasms. My logic then was I thinking that was < $200 which I couldn't get in the US.

(Fast-forward 10 trips later...)

I was in Rio last month, went to Help one time and did not even bother to pull a girl out of there. It was my first trip I did not take a Help or TA garota and overall had one of the better trips. Probably one of the top Help lookers quoted me 300R for an HOUR and talked down to 200R. I walked away and 15 mins later she was out the door with a guy (so she obviously got what she wanted). If a girl speaks some English, I generally won't even bother and there were plenty of those.

I generally always strike up some conversations with some guys in Help waiting for my drink and most never heard of termas. They are staying in a Atlantica hotel and think the beach, TA, MP and Help are "where the girls are".

So between former trip girls, 4x4/Solarium, independent escorts and semi-pros they filled my schedule up nicely. Then again, none of them spoke any English either. Speaking the language (or at least trying in my case) and something like CH are the determining factors the atypical Rio tourist generally doesn't know.
Help is convenient, comfortable and relatively safe to find something better than most guys get wherever they come from anyway. It is what it is and there is a price to pay for that.

I just got back from Rio. Had a nice time but it was definitely not my best trip to Rio out of five trips. But still a nice trip. I guess my trip wasn't all that because of the rush of cab drivers, shoe shine losers and programma girls trying to rip me off on this trip. But, I just took it in stride. Live and Learn, right?

But I was at Help many nights and pulled out some nice girls. Most wanting 300R for the night. But I talked them down to 250-200R. Most were worth it because I got a night and morning session of them. It just seem like most girls were only trying to get 300R for respect reasons from other garotas. I can honestly say that going to Help is the highlight of my trips to Rio. I love all of the games that you play with the ladies and I can play with the best of them. So the plan is always, calling an escort or hitting up 4x4 during the day, then hitting up Help at night. Man I love Rio!!

More games to come in October.

C20

C20,
Rio is like a box of chocolates but you are right, HELP is pure entertainment. I just sit back relax and watch the vultures, the victims, innocent people like me who get called gay because I turn down ugly garota after ugly garota and ofcourse the "EUROPEANS". Did any of you ever see that "EUROPEAN" bald guy with leather pants, cut off shirt doing some crazy robot dance he's hysterical.

I'll be in Rio for the 2nd time (with 4 buddies) from 5/25 - 5/30. What are the prices looking like at Help these days? When I was there in September/October I was getting $150-$200 for all nighters and I even took two stunners home all night for $400 (they did me and each other). I don't think any of my friends ever paid more than $200 for all night into late morning or early afternoon. It's only been 7 months, so are those prices still realistic?

Daheata,
I think those prices are reasonable. The girls will ask for more (why shouldn't they?), and some guys will pay what the girls ask, but you can still get top ones for 150-200R if you don't mind bargaining a bit.