I am hoping you guys could give me some advice on what spots I should hit up (and where not to waste my time). This is my 5th trip to Rio but unfortunately I have not been since 06. I usually stay longer but this trip will have to be a semi-short one. From reading over trip reports and discussions over the last few days, much has changed (especially the exchange rate). I fell in love with Centaurus and Solarium on my last visit. Is the quality still good there or should I venture to another spot? I will definitely hit up Centaurus at least once but if any of you know a place where money could be better spent, IM ALL EARS!! Money really isnt an issue but any wise man would find the best bang for his buck. What about club Help? I also want to hit up some local spots like Melt, Baronneti and maybe Club 6. Primarily just to hang out and see how the locals get down. If anyone of you could lend some advice I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance!

Once you are in town, shoot me a note and we can get together for a couple of the local spots (i.e. Melt, etc). What age are you and do you have any Portuguese skills? This will help determine some of the places to go. Baronneti is out for me....I can't aford the R$120 entrance fee on the weekends.

Baronette, it is not the entry fee that will kick your ass, it is the exit....I went with a friend of mine, greased the door guy $40R to get in front of the line, greased the guy $40R to get us upstairs, greased the waiter $25R to keep our glasses full, greased the monkey $20R to clear the way to the bathroom, exit and to pay our bill, then the final bill was almost $400R and we did not drink that much........

fun time, but is it worth it?????

What i could not believe was watching the brasilian kids spending dad's money with bottles of scotch, vodka and gin on their tables.....

well that part of spending dads money on drinks is the only thing i could understand,is there any better way to do it?sömebody else paying the bill

Im 31 years old, speak portuguese on a very moderate level (my ex here in the states is from Sampa) So obviously I learned a little. I will hit you up when I get there. I have been to Nuth (loved it) but could not communicate so that kind of killed the deal. I will hit you up when I get there.

R$400, ouch! Since I love to go out I would be in the poor house very quickly! Too many other fun (and cheaper) places to go, no need to overpay at Baronneti.

Thawk - When are you coming?

Thawk-

If you are looking to meet non-pros, street-side Th. Fri. or Sat night in Lapa is your best bet. Seeking out rich girls in zona sul is a much more difficult proposition in Rio. Nuth Lounge, Baronetti, Melt, etc., are great but more difficult as a pick up scene.

Diversity and I had a great time at Baronetti, but, the rich girls don't need a gringo, they want a 23 y/o ripped/good looking Carioca "Playboy" (rich kid with daddy's money who does not need to work and just lives a party life-style). I have frequented the other clubs in zona sul probably to a much greater degree than most of the gringo mongers on this board and I have always found that the best way to meet ready/willing/able local young hot ass is not to seperate yourself from the masses in the exclusive zona sul clubs. Centro parties, pre-carnival samba school parties, bars/clubs with no ingresso, amongst the streetside crowds in Lapa are your best bet. It has been my experience, that in order to get in with the high class ass, you have to stick around a while and and have an in with some "playboys".

Best of Luck.

CB

CB - You are right, to a degree, I have never found Baronetti the best place to go to meet girls (Coincidently I posted a comment about it in another thread about my club experience) Meeting a successful high class woman, in the mid to early thirties, however, is not all that difficult. They are not looking for a gringo either, but rather somebody to form a relationship with.

Middle class to upper class girls or women in Brazil are really no different then anywhere else. There needs to be a basic attraction, since they are not looking for that gringo to take care of them. The 18 - 21 young, very beautiful "Girl from Ipanema" is certainly difficult to meet unless you have some game, plus the looks to go along with it. Obviously as we move up the age scale this becomes even more difficult.

Personally I really like the 25 - 33 age group...that is my target group with whom I have the most success. Met plenty of very successful women (attorney's, doctor's, business owners, etc). They are easy to talk to for the most part, and Brazilian women are fortunate in how they carry their looks into the later years.

So it is possible to get some high class ass, provided that age is adjusted accordingly to your particular physical condition and appearance. A late thirties, to early fourties man should have no problem getting a mid twenties and up women from the mid to upper class, but it certainly becomes more challenging when targeting 18 - 21 year olds.

Everything changes, however, when targeting young girls from a lower economic scale. Then the streets in Lapa, Sao Cristovao, etc are the place to go.

Lovingmarvin,

Me and my brazil travel buddy will arrive the 31st of July. Im gonna do the usual terma things along with the occasional night at HELP. Like I stated earlier, I dont mind spending the $$$ but Im not sure about spots like Baronneti if they are gonna cost me $400R and there is no guarantee of a "session". Overall, I pretty familiar with the landscape but would not mind hitting up some spots where gringos are received well and the chances to meet a cool carioca are good.

CB,

Thanks for the insight man. To be honest I kind of figured as much. One my 3rd trip to Rio, my friend and I stayed in a Penthouse in Ipanema. One day while in the elevator a young model type guy asked us " Are you Americans". This guy's english was very good. He turned out to be an actor on one popular Novelas and lived in the same building. He was pretty cool. Even took me and my friend to a couple of really nice clubs/lounges with him later in the week. He kept saying that in order to score with the non working women we had to hang around the "rich locals". Everywhere we went he knew tons of women. After a while of "hob nobbing", we went our separate ways. Looking back, the women were always real cool (did the little formal kiss on the cheek thing), a couple stares too. But the bottom line was NO SCORE. I also think it had to do with the language barrier. My portuguese is much better now but I still dont know how good the chances would be to hook up with a Non GDP. I would be down to check out the Melts, Nuth's etc but I dont know how long I'd be willing to hang around if the action isnt there. Shit, I only have 6 days in Rio. If I had more time I definitely would invest time and energy into the "upper crust" thing. Just dont know if its worth the time (and according to Baronneti prices) the money. But definitely worth one attemp IMHO.

Six days in Rio is really very little time. I guess it's up to where your priorities lie - are you more interested in having lots of good sex in six days, or in hunting for non-pro action with the expectation that your success rate would be maybe better than at a bar/club at home, but certainly not a guarantee. Basically, do you absolutely want to get laid?

There's no real reason you can't do both - hit termas in the afternoons till early evening, then go clubbing after 10:00 PM or so. That should do the trick. There are a lot of vets that don't do the Help/Atlantica scene at night, and that scene has gotten progressively worse over the years, so IMHO you're not missing that much.

Now, the alternative to hunting in clubs would be to go the escort or indy garotas at night, or just hit the private stock which is what I do. I'm much happier having dinner with a garota I know, grab a few drinks or a movie, maybe just watch a DVD or something, then going out to clubs. I don't go out to clubs here anymore, so going to them in Rio isn't that much fun. I may stay at a termas until midnight if I don't have any plans, but I've been to Help once in the past 2.5 years and don't miss it at all.

Catocony,

Good advice again. I kind of feel your direction there. I can totally see chillin with a sexy garota while at the movies, clubs etc. However, the young guy in me wants to try to have some of the craziest adventures (sex) imaginable. I have had great luck with terma girls in the past (sessions at my apt after they finish work). Honestly, Im all about the eye candy. Making connections is cool and all but this trip is more about adventure. Im going to check out the Melt's, Nuth's and etc. but I really see myself becoming a fixture at some of the termas.

So back to one of my original questions...
Being that I've been out of the loop for 2 yrs, where do u guys suggest I go to see the best looking women? Is Centaurus still the spot? What about the other termas. Any excort agencies you guys recommend?

Thanks for all of your suggestions thus far as well as in advance.

Lovingmarvin, I will definitely drop u a line when I get in town.

If your expectation is to walk into a club with no real language ability, pick up a non-pro and have her give you the GdP experience - fuck her up the ass, cum in her mouth, etc - I think you'll just be wasting your time and dollars. That doesn't quite equate to having the craziest sex adventure imaginable, it's the same as picking up girls at a club in the US except pretend you don't speak English. Probably isn't going to happen. Again, as a way to pass time, take in some eye candy, etc then go for it. But its not a way to get laid.

As far as termas, to each their own. At US$250 for entry, cabine and a 40 minute program, I could care less if Playboy bunnies were working at Centaurus. Just go to a different place each day and check it out, if you don't find what you need go to a different termas. Easy as that. If you were going to be there for a month, I could see taking your time but in 6 days, just stick to the basics. Maybe use the night time to hit Zona Sul termas while the afternoons in Centro termas. Then you double up on termas, get a feel for whats best for you, and you don't waste time and money at non-pro clubs.

Simple: For termas, L'uomo, 4x4, and Solarium then 'Help' at night will keep anyone busy enough with the P4P scene. 4x4 is pretty hard to beat....Forget Centaurus, why pay more for the same thing that can be had for less?

As far as the regular scene and to set expectations, don't expect to take many girls home the first night. But it can be fun...Catocony hits the nail on the head, you can do both. Relieve sexual tensions in the termas, then go out to the clubs at night...with 'Help' mixed in. Some of my friends like to check out clubs and if they have no success hooking up heading out to the 'Help' afterwards. Afterall, after 2:00am the 'Help' girls are cheaper anyway and the place is still in full swing.

"a club where gringoes are received well." IMHO, there really is no such thing, outside of the termas. I mean, I don't think gringoes are received POORLY, but even in Lapa, I think the tendancy is to characterize gringoes as whoremongers (now why would that be?). Walking the streets in Lapa, a lot of girls seem to look at me at first like I must have lost my way between 4x4 and L'uomo. Of course, that all changes once I open my mouth and speak damned good Portuguese, tell them I live here, etc.

But, frankly, I think any gringo looking to meet non-pros on his own generally has to overcome a certain stereotype. And, to me, it has less to do with age and more to do with mongering. And good Portuguese can go a long way toward changing that perception. I know girls who speak good English, but will avoid Americans like the plague in Lapa. ("I no speak-ey Ingleeesh.")

This is all general, of course. There are certainly exceptions. I'm just saying, in normal clubs, you should be prepared to have to break the ice and overcome the perception of all gringoes as mongers.

Damn I wish I had started my portuguese lessons sooner. Everything you guys touched on makes sense. Seems like I will have to focus more of my efforts at the Termas/Help in regards to scoring. However, for experience purposes maybe take in the local hot spots (Melt, Nuth, Baronetti). Im just not feeling forking over 400R for a club where the chances to score are minimized by the fact that I dont speak portuguese perfectly and on top of that being a gringo. Just curious though, how many of you guys live in Rio and for how long?

Gibletpie,

How old are you? How long have you spoken portuguese? I have been studying for the last 3 months. How competent do you have to be in order to have minimal success in the local hotspots?
I know this is kind of a hypothetical question. Just curious.

If you have any game at all, you will be successful with the Brasilian online dating sites, but they will require some prepping, so if you are a 7 to 10 day, twice a year monger, don't bother. But if you have the opportunity to stay in the city for an extended period of time, you will be rewarded. Time spent in the city is the key. The guys that live there, or have lived there know what I am talking about. Unless you look like a gargoyle, it will be a pussy paradise. I think most guys would be surprised at how many girls are online now, and a large percentage of them have webcams.

As far as just going to clubs on a short trip down, good luck. I've got a friend that lives there, and she has mentioned going to Nuth before, and I can tell you the last thing she wants to do is meet some dude in for 2 weeks a year. Of course, there is always that chance I suppose to get lucky, but I wouldn't waste my time given your situation.

I also know a girl that runs speed dating sessions so if any of you are interested, I can hook you up. Guess where they are held? Alcazar....

(Message edited by itasca on June 29, 2008)

Thawk127 - mid to late 30s. Have been speaking Portuguese for 3 years, and I learned pretty quickly. Plus, living here, I learned a lot of the slang, which used correctly will sort of quickly put you "at their level." I get a lot of laughs, "You're already Brazilian!" That kind of thing, which helps a lot.

After about 8 months of Portuguese, I was dating a non-pro who spoke zero English, but I had known her for months and gamed her over the long term.

I was at Rio Scenarium in Lapa with a couple of guys last night and we had a lot of fun dancing and chatting with some regular girls, non-pros, and these guys were neither young nor particularly good looking, but both of them speak "decent" Portuguese (good vocabularly, attrocious accent). So don't rule it out, just study your Portuguse. Hit the termas first, then the clubs late, as others have suggested. Rio Scenarium really doesn't get cranking til after 11pm, but you want to get their earlier to avoid the lines. You just might get lucky. Brazilian girls are friendly once you break the ice.

The biggest mistake is to compare regular nightclubs with the P4P scene. Half the fun of going to regular clubs and talking to the girls is the challenge (at least for me). Sometimes I have success, other times I do not.

Lets face the reality, relationships with regular girls take more time to cultivate to a point of getting laid then a girl that is picked up from 'Help'. There is just no comparison. A non-pro will probably take a couple to few dates to get warmed up. A non-pro will spend time with you because she likes you, isn't that a nice change from the P4P scene?

Also, it is a numbers game....just like telemarking you will eventually have success. Maybe not with the first few, but eventually someone bites.

The best bet for someone on vacation is to start right at beginning of the vacation to have a chance to have a few dates. Obviously if you meet someone on Saturday and travel home the next day, then the changes are slim to none that something will develop. If you have a week to have a few dates, well then you never know.

As far as success, that can vary so greatly that it can't really be put up for discussion. Each one of us different....some have 'game', other's do not, and some have lots of confidence and others have none. I have one wing man who sets a lofty goal each night in the number of girls he wants to talk to, lets say 30...then starts counting. He ALWAYS has success...maybe not with the 1st one he talks to, but maybe #5, or #10 :-)! This worked in Rio and it works in South Beach, Miami! Another, just sits in the corner of the club, shy, scared to talk - well, he will typically not meet anyone. When he does, the girls "smell the fear' - that does not go over well.

So, the choice to hit regular clubs is personal one.

As far as spending money, R$400 was mentioned in the context of one club in Ipanema. Plenty of others are much more reasonable. Gibletpie in the last message mentioned Rio Scenerium, there the entrance is a very reasonable R$35, beer about R$5.00...I typically drink about 10 or so a night, that puts my bill at under R$100. If you get to any club early enough (that really is the key on the weekend), no need to grease anybody's hands to get in. Get there late when the lines are around the block, is another story.

I have done the online websites as well and it can be very successful, but I hate freakin' MSN messenger and having to invest so much time chatting. From my personal point of view, just get out there!

But the most important point made by several posters - No need to limit yourself to one of the others. Very easy to mix up the P4P scene with the non-pro scene, all in the same day and night. Early evening termas, girls walking on the beach in Copa, or sitting at the various restaurants/bars, along with escort services...late night, regular clubs....then if the club is a dud, then there is always 'Help' which can be a fall back.

A no lose proposition!

Lovingmarvin,

Im definitely going to give it a try. The only non pro club I have ventured is Nuth. I want to see what others are out there. As long as I keep my expectations reasonable, I dont see why I cant enjoy myself. I have met some cool non working girls on sites like Orkut too. Im sure they wont mind giving me pointers. Like I said earlier, if your around the 31st of July, Im going to hit you up.

Thanks again fellas!

non working girls on sites like Orkut

Just about every brasilian garota (termas garotas, ipanema vagabundas, gringo-chasers, etc.) I know has Orkut?? What makes you think she is "non-working"?

Places like Melt, Bombar, Zero-Zero, etc. are certainly NOT without GDPs. Just at a different level (and not really favorable to a gringo).

BEST ADVICE:
Only in town for 1 week -- stick to paying for it.

In the long-run, it will be cheaper. Some guys get more than they bargained for chasing the non-pros....who end up draining them financially and emotionally. I can cite a number of Euro idiots (more specifically Nordic countries for some reason) that got involved with girls that way.
Classic con scenario: The "I don't pay for it" Gringo-dumbass fucks attractive brasilian girl (apparently to them any girl who skin doesn't have the color of a bedsheet). Garota fucks him silly, most likely w/o condom. Garota lies and tells gringo ____ time period later saying she is pregnant. Gringo then 1) either supports her or 2) sends her money for an abortion. 1000R or so (depending on the scenario) isn't bad money to the "non-pro" girl who fucked the guy for "free".

Thawk-

Best of luck to you. Don't be jaded by the reviews of the different termas by the more vocal guys on this site. You need to visit all of them. Centaurus is about US$70 more than the rest of the termas for the first session and about US$25 more per session for subsequent sessions. To me, there is absolutely no comparison for looks...but to each is there own. I like the place and know other guys who are not vocal on this board or who are not on the board that like it as well. If I fly half way around the world, an extra US$100 one night is no big deal to me. And you can get numbers from different girls at the different termas and have them stop by your place as Cat describes.

Here is my must hit list:

1) Centaurus
2) Quatro por Quatro
3) Praia Club 400

I have found that the rest of the Termas can vary in talent on a nightly basis. If you want venues that are not written about on this site, PM Gibletpie and use their guide service - highly recommended.

Happy Travels,

CB

Norweigans and Swedes do seem to be particularly susceptible, for some reason.

I know a "non-pro" who has bled several gringos dry. She never, ever asks for money, per se. But she's very good, very GFE, and always has a long list of presents that would make her happy. She spent a week with a guy I know and it cost him a new MacBook, an iPod Touch, some very expensive perfume, about $500 worth of shoes, and a week's worth of meals at good restaurants. His bill for a week with a non-pro was many times my bill for a week with many pros. Now she's had him buy her a business ticket to Norway to spend a week with him. He's also made a deposit in her bank account so she can take time off work and still pay her bills. Plus, she has another shopping list for him (I didn't even want to ask her what was on it). The kicker is the following month she has another guy who's flying her to San Francisco, and will pay dearly for the privilege of her company. But she's not a "garota de programa" since she never asks to be paid for sex.

Right.

There are idiots...and then there are even more idiots. Anybody who is that gullible and desperate better not leave the house - even in Norway!

Aye, Orkut.... I learned the hard way that having a profile can easily do you in if you are playing the scene in Brazil. I remember dating a couple of different girls in addition to my "real" girlfriend, then one of them decided to search for me on Orkut and eventually found her way to my profile, which was linked to my real girlfriend's profile with plenty of photos of us. After the two started exchanging e-mails it got quite interesting for me.

Never again - no social websites for me!

LM, that is why you use a different name and email address for your orkut page so they can't search for you. Never use your full name.

Most of the time, you can't see the photos on their Orkut site until they add you as a friend, so you've got to have one if you are into that type of dating. You have to convince them you live there though to have real success. They can see right through that 2 or 3 weeks out of the year bullshit. So can the girls in the nightclubs, so I'd say again, don't waste your time with that. Stick to the termas and apt casas if your time is limited.

At the time that crap was new to me and it never occurred to me that someone would search for me.... my e-mail address was my real name. Learned the hard way. Now, regardless, Orkut doesn't do anything for me and I don't have the patience for it. Never thought of using Orkut as a dating tool....always had fantastic success on Yahoo Encontros. But, I hate MSN and chatting all night long - Always pushed to meet them right away and talk to them on the phone to avoid wasting my time. Got a couple from Yahoo Encontros in my weeky rotation right now. Both live way out in Zona Norte and would have been hard to meet otherwise. One is becoming too much like a girlfriend (and very jealous and possessive) and it is time to set her free to pursue other online dating opportunities.

Yes, it does take some prep work and I am very familiar with chatting via MSN. However, I have learned more portuguese from chatting online than anything Pimsleurs ever taught me.

Orkut is a means to get access to their photos for me. In fact, it's kind of queer. I would never think to get on My Space in the States, but with Orkut, I can rationalize it in my mind because it's a means to an end.

Brazil Cupid kicks Yahoo Encountros ass in my opinion. Better software, more girls.

And again, I'm not advocating this approach at all. If you only have a few weeks a year down there, don't waste your time. The last thing you want is a girlfriend on another continent.

Cincoleche,

You know you are absolutely right. I honestly have no idea that my "friend" is a non working girl. I can only go off what she tells me. However I trust my intuition on this. In all honesty, who the fuck cares. I plan using some of the advice these fellow posters were kind enough to share. Im sure this trip (although short) will be a blast.

Copabrasil1,

Will do! Thanks for the pointers. BTW, I have not heard of Praia Club 400. Where is it located? Which nights are good there?

I trust my intuition on this. In all honesty, who the fuck cares.

Okay Bro, just trying to help out. Just saying if you know if a girl is some sorta of GDP, it could save the hassle and money. Better to just pay her the 200R (or whatever) than wasting the time.

I knew a pretty hot Centaurus girl -- legit model who did some print work in Italy. She told me a story about meeting a gringo in a club (I think HardRock). The dude wined/dined her ass for a week thinking she was a struggling "good-girl" model in between gigs...partly true. Turns out his buddy shows up at Centaurus and fucks the shit out of her for 300R while this dude spent a fortune on her "dating" her and he got kisses. Hearing all the details from the garota's viewpoint was quite hilarious.

BTW, Praia 400 Club is not really a "club". See it on this site under "Termas". Go on a weekday night like Mon-Wed around 8pm and you might be the only guy in the place surrounded by 20 garotas. Guaranteed to be 2-3 very good-looking girls. Of course....you have to pay for it!

Also, no one mentioned it but I like a little place in Leblon called Guapo Loco. Odds of meeting "normal" brasilieras are better in this place than other places in Ipanema IMO. Thursday nights around 11:00pm seemed to be decent. Get there too late, and you literally won't fit inside.

I really do not understand why it is so difficult to figure out either a GDP or a non-GDP girl that is trying to take advantage of you. There are so many warning signs if the eyes are open. No work, foreign ex-boyfriends (especially Italians), should be big tip-off. Non-GDP opportunitists that ask for "ässistance", shopping trips, gifts, etc, etc....come on, how much more obvious can it get when someone is taking advantage of you.

I have now lived in Brazil for three years and there are so many fantastic single Brasilieras that are simply looking for a good guy. I just do not understand why I seem to be the only that seems to know about them. I have used and abused a few along the way.....

Just look for the obvious signs. Again, it just doesn't seem to be that difficult.

Yes it is possible to meet the good ones....but certainly not in 'Help'. A little sense of adventure, and just an overall willingness to try. There is so much collective advise on this board from many members that should help to prepare in advance.

I guess I am just kind of surprised at anyone suggesting to not even try and that it is a lost cause.....

and....to finish the main point that some seem to miss completely - no reason to limit yourself to one thing or the other. Do both, if you want - monger, party, and go out to regular clubs. Not sure what there is to lose..

Cincoleche, that was brutal!! That was so mean it made my nuts hurt!!! His own buddy hits the ass while he was wining and dining her? OUCH!!

Thumper, one of the best ones ever was, a few years ago, one of the guys is just dying because his GdP that he was in love with just couldn't/wouldn't get off the program. This is Young Hombre. He finally gets her set up to move with him to Europe - where I believe they are happily married, with kid. Go figure.

The funny part is, on the day of departure, he's waiting for her to show up. She doesn't have any luggage, so she calls up Old Hombre and strikes up a deal - a program in exchange for borrowing some luggage.

Old Hombre gets a program for loaning out a suitcase. Garota is happy since she has a suitcase. Young Hombre is happy because his gdp actually managed to show up at the airport with baggage and passport and on time. She went from house - program - airport, very efficient I would say.

Of course, a few months later, when Young Hombre returned Old Hombre's suitcase to him, I can imagine that was a weird moment for Young Hombre.

And need we say anything about Gr8ter and Cindy. Gr8ter is paying her to not have programs - even with him since he "wanted her to respect him". Meanwhile, half of ClubHombre is nailing her at the same time.

With no less than four garotas, I've literally had my dick in her puss while she was talking to her "boyfriend/fiance/husband" on the phone.

Of course, I used to receive - and answer - calls from the ex-fav while in cabines at termas all the time. I always had great programs after that, the competitive factor really kicks in and the garotas all got a kick out of trying to fuck me silly - yet silently - when I was going over dinner plans with the ex-fav.

They lie. We lie, or at least we should. My policy is to not believe a fucking thing anyone tells me down there.

Cat I remember that incident with the luggage. Hilarious! and I also remember the Gr8ter story.
Oh the good old days. Thanks for the memories. - Hemp (by the way I did both of them - what a rack, not Cindy though. - didn't everyone).

LovingMarvin.

I think you completely missed the point in all of this -- ONE WEEK TRIP.
Great, you are awesome for picking up all that ass in 3 years living there. I doubt many brasilieras would say their ideal "good guy" is one there for 7 days and speaks rudimentary Portuguese.

Considering there are probably 1 million unemployed people in Rio, it is not usual to run into mid-20's girls who are part-timers or studying.
So really, there is a fine economic divider line there between a girl being a quasi-GDP and a non-GDP. Making a 1000R a month in Rio....someone is always open to a little "assistance"...like the hair salon.

I think there are valid reasons for not "even trying":

#1 MOST IMPORTANTLY - She doesn't leave!
I have had these girls want to stick around. They cramp my style and fun. I wish I had paid them.
#2 At midnight, when it is time to go out. That is when termas garotas are leaving work and coming over my place.
#3 Let's say you pick up the non-pro. Is her pussy nicely waxed, good feminine hygiene, is she even good in bed,etc. I pick up normal girls where their sex skills were mediocre. And another girl had a jungle bush.

Let's face it, I know termas garotas who invest heavily into themselves. 400R/month on hair salon, 50R/mo on waxing, 50R/mo on manicures/pedicures....lotions, cremes, conditioners,etc. That is at least 1000R a month they invest into themselves. Sorry, but your average garota (unless someone else is paying for it) doesn't have that kind of money.....and frankly, I like girls with their hair done, nails done....

As Cat says: My policy is to not believe a fucking thing anyone tells me down there

That is the TRUTH! Brasilieras have an absolute mastery for being liars -- pro or non-pro.
And most of the times, it is NON-pro brasilieras that are the worst liars of them all.

Cincoleche,

Trust me man, I feel what your saying 100%. I preface this by saying that I dont trust chicks here in the states so I damn sure wont trust one I can barely communicate with. HOWEVER, I do feel that some women (be them GDP or not) are cool enough to get to know and have at least a friendly relationship. Now back to my point. Im not looking for a friend, lover or even pen pal. I want to have fun, period. My question (initially) was to find out where are the best looking women, and the prices associated with them. My only mission while in Rio will be to enjoy a short vacation, period. Whether it comes in the form of a great Terma fuck, a GFE, or some chick I meet at Shananigans, its all about having fun and the experience. You are right in regards to a one week trip. I need to be right in the action from the get go! BTW, I too have experienced the garota that would not leave. What a whack ass situation to be in. Oh and I too prefer the garota with her hair, nails, pussy done. ;)

Catocony, I know EXACTLY who you are talking about. I remember one time her and I had spent the entire day together fucking like crazy, later that afternoon, I literally almost bumped into them while they were coming out of McDonalds (holding hands).

Two nights later at 4AM, she was texting me telling me how she cant wait to see me later that day because she wants me to fuck her and then cum on her face!

I really miss those tits but at least I have tons of video to remind me. I wish her the best of luck with her new family, but if she ever decides to return to working..........

I want to have fun, period

...then

Rua Buenos Aires,44.
M-F: 2pm-1am
Whiskeria: 20R, Termas: 40R
http://www.quatroporquatro.com.br/

...everything else will fall into place from there!

Cincoleche,

Now thats what I'm talking bout!

4X4 was definitely on the short list of "DO's"

Thanks!