I'm curious as to how many mongers contracted illnesses (non STD) while in Rio or upon return home. I' ve picked up a terrible cold/flu like illness, and have heard from three other guys who were there the same time, that they were sick while there or became sick upon return. Just wondering if the rampant and indiscriminate french kissing practised by terma girls helps to spread colds, flus, etc. thru the monger community, or if its just the shock to the system of returning from 95 deg weather to subfreezing cold back in North America. Or alternately, too much viagra, ambien, etc. too many late nights, too little sleep??

Should we be protecting our mouths and throats as much as we protect our other end during horizontal activities? Or is the momentary enjoyment worth the post trip symptoms?

I always get a cold while in Rio or upon my return. Until reading Hombrecito reports I had assumed it was the indiscriminate french kissing. I keep hoping I will build up a resistance.

To be quite honest, I now have a pretty bad cold that has lasted a week. That said, this is the first time in four trips that I've ever had anything like this happen.

A bigger question is whether any of the garotas right now in Rio have a cold/flu? Maybe there was something going around, and we all caught it.

BT

Mangoman
You gotta prepare yourself for fuckathon
Take lots of vitamins and build your immune system. My only problem coming back was my dick getting way too hard still thinking in Rio time.
Rio is paradise, just cover yourself when you go home.

If I could get on a plane today for Rio I would definitely take a good cold or flu just to be there. We all need to help this economy with cold/medicine purchases. "Bring It On" Hemp

yeah had the same symptoms HC1 experienced my first 2 trips..bad sore throat and cold-like once on the ground in USA..trips 3 and 4 nothing ..did not do the athos prep work but I should..seems he does not get the probs some of us do...

they say it is bad to go from anal sex to vaginal sex..so maybe it is bad to go from all this rimming everyone is writing about to french kissing...sorry had to say it...

layne: uuuuuhn, ATM action (so to speak) would lead to intestinal problems, not flu-like symptoms.

All that tonsil-hockey at the Termas, however, is a surefire guarantee that any ear/nose/throat nastiness that one participant has will be spread to everybody. Especially you guys who are immuno-suppressed thanks to late nights, jet lag, drinking too much, and fighting off whatever low-grade crap you are getting through your dick. By the speed which your Rio flu is moving, and the fact that most of the girls appear to be asymptomatic, I wouldn't be suprised if it's viral. That being said, Athos's approach is probably the best - take lots of vitamins before you go, drink sucos like they are going out of style, cut back on the booze, get some exercise and sunshine in the mornings, take a nap after your almoco, all that healthy good shit. Especially if you are over 30. And especially if you are doing those 5 pops a night Hobrecito-style pussythons. Just a word to the wise, take it for what it's worth (nada).

BS

Badseed I've also wondered if the monger flu is viral. I got asymptomatic the day after taking Amoxicillin, but it could have been the virus just ran it's course. I was not in as good shape as I usually am and that could have played a part in it.

Before my 1st Rio trip I hadn't been sick in 5 years. I didn't get sick in Rio the 1st time, but when I returned I got sick pretty bad twice within a month-doctor put me on antibiotics but ruled out strep and said it was nothing from Rio. I'm not a doctor, but I think my immune system worked so hard in Rio the 1st time that it was weak when I got back.

I agree it's important to sleep, not drink and generally take care of yourself.

and don't forget to eat!

BT

Rio has the best food in the world. Sucos, meat, veggie, herbs, olive oil, coffee. I mean ok their desserts are not as good as Italy and France. You can eat a good meal for $2 at the Green grill which would cost you $50 in SoCal.
When you shoot your load, you lose protein and most importantly zinc. That's why you feel tired and ladies don't feel a thing after orgasmo.
The very least is to take multivitamins with zinc or you're just depriving your body.
Also I don't know many guys who get laid 3 times a day in the good old USA.

Athos:

Deserts? You obviously haven't been to Cafe Columbo in the Centro.... ask for it next time, trust me.

BS

Keep on eating Pussy, and getting RIM jobs, and Kissing girls for hours after they just took 30oz. of cum down their mouth, You guys are Killing me ha,ha, and then you wonder Why you are SICK or get Sick, I been going to Rio sense the 70's only one time did I get sick for 2 days that was many years ago, try NOT getting rim jobs or eating Pussy or kissing every girl next time and see if you still get sick??

KidCisco

I'll just jerk off tonight.

Thanks to all for the many pearls of medical wisdom. I knew I could count on you guys for the answer to this mystery. Since I didnt receive any rim jobs or eat pussy, I must conclude that the culprit was the tonsil olympics. I spent two weeks in Thailand in 2000 getting lots of action but relatively little kissing (I guess any amount of kissing is relatively little compared to the Terma girls of Rio) and did not contract the symptoms I did this time. I concur that it's viral, as I have been taking Cipro for an (presumably) unrelated symptom, and it has had no effect on my symptoms.
My other question which few other than Hemp responded to was, are the pleasures of terma kissing worth the apparently inevitable cold/flu symptoms which result? Or is DFK refusal another form of "safe sex" which wise mongers should practice? Im feeling really crappy today, and leaning toward "no" but next trip down I may feel differently. Its a matter of choice/ personal opinion of course, but I'm curious to hear your responses.

This is from Xenono's long running trip report X MARKS THE SPOT ... some how it seems just as relavant in the South America as it does in LOS

"I knew this was coming though. The exact same thing happened to me the last time I was in Thailand. Luckily for me, it didn’t hit hard until I was on the plane and heading home. My theory is that it is just unavoidable. My girl count didn’t increase today because I repeated with Thip. But I don’t think one can stick their tongue down 38 different girls’ throats in 15 days and not expect to pick up a cold."


McDIJJ

P.S. After numerous adventures in Asia I'm finally going to visit Brazil this spring, looking forward to some fine adventures. Most folk who visit BKK start planning thier second trip on the flight home from the first one ... bet THAT'S no different in RIO either!

Damn, Xenono kisses every girl in Thailand hahaha, down their throats LOL.
Actually I'm not that different. I just kiss about 50%.

Athos, I get laid 3 times a day in the USA, just not with different girls and not lately

DJ
What can I say? I am almost impressed.
I french kissed 38 garotas in 15 days and never caught anything but I take this hobby very seriously. Always resting, drinking, eating, taking my vitamins in between session.

Badseed
Is cafe Columbo nearby 4x4, only time I ever venture to Centro?

Yeah, BT...don't forget to eat!....WHAT though? Is Patricia on the menu?

Just posted a line on HC1's maladies of his trip to Rio.

I really recommend Echinacia daily and start taking antibiotics a day or two in advance of travel anywhere; 2 per day while there and one per day for two days after return. The airplanes (viral tubes) are as bad as any tongue down your throat; wash your hands very frequently (get to feel like a doctor) and.....have fun on your trip instead of being sick!

5+ million miles over 20 years and only been sick one time in Thailand due to bad seafood. Works for me!

Sandman

For churrascarrias, Porca~o is better than Marius IMHO. There is one in Ipanema...
Don't know about Green Grill..I will try it next trip

hi athos!it is on the paralel road to av.branco.get of the metro the stop before uruguyana.then it is just straight ahead.cross the on rua carioca,past the mcdonald.on the right side.iggy sca. by the way at rua carioca there is a famous bar named bar luis,used to be called adolf changed the named 1939.

Athos,
Confeitaria Colombo is not far from 4X4; it is about 6 blocks south and between Rua Uruguiana and Av. Rio Branco. As Iggy notes, exit the Metro at the Carioca station and head north...very easy to find. And, yes, the dessert bar that is part of the lunch is worth the trip. Only open for lunch M-Sat. Rua Goncalves Dias, 32, Centro, 2232-2300

Athos:

As long as we are discussing food (off-topic, but what the hell), here are some of my own Rio favorites:

Seafood - Albamar - Praça Marechal Âncora, 186, Centro, 2240-8428 11h30/18h Tues-Sun - along with great food and ambience,beautiful location overlooking the Guanabara Bay inside the only surviving tower of the old Municipal market.

Meat - Esplanada Grill - Rua Barão da Torre, 600, Ipanema, 2512-2970 12h/last client - As always, picanha the best!

Lunch - Definetly Confetaria Colombo - Bwana is right about the name, I messed it up a bit. This is THE spot in Rio. It's worth it just for sitting in the turn-of-the=century dining room (sit upstairs..), to give you an idea, a bunch of New York investors wanted to buy the interior and move it to Manhattan in the '80s. The food is great too...

Late night eats - Fork - Rua Teixeira de Melo, 30, loja A, Ipanema, 2287-9300 19h/4h Tues-Sun. New and COOL.

And you've gotta try: Academia da Cachaça
Rua Conde de Bernadote, 26-G, Leblon, 2239-1542
The name says it all, over 100 types of cachaca, and good food to boot.


All of a sudden I'm getting hungry.... BTW, despite what I said about cutting down on the booze while mongering, I always have 2-3 shots of cachaca a day while in Brazil (just ask for a "branquinha" - brun-kee-nya), the real rotgut stuff, it'll kill anything in your throat...

BS

Thanks for the Colombo heads up. I'll make sure to stop by before or after a 4x4 run.

Sandman's right, Echinacea's excellent for keeping the colds at bay. Might also be the 4-5 caipirinhas a day. The only Post-Rio illness I ever suffer from is depression so it must work.

Seeing we're off-topic I enjoy eating churrascaria at Carretão in Leme on Rua Ronaldo de Carvalho. Like Porcão it has branches in Copa, Ipanema but I prefer the one in Leme. Not sure why, guess it's a personal thing. It's not as fancy or big as Porcão but the meat just seems to taste better. Anyway it's only R15 and you can always walk off the food by checking out the nearby clubs.

I also came down with the flu while vacationing in Rio during the month of November. I remembered one of my garotas at a terma holding her throat and talking to me in Portuguese but I did not have a clue what whe was saying. I developed a sore throat several days later and for the next two days was bedridden. The third day I jumped on a long bus ride to Iguazu Falls and arrived feeling about 90 percent. I made the connection with the termas garota holding her throat and confirmed upon my return that she also had the flu. The garotas are like many Americans in that they go to work with the flu. And not kissing would be pretty tough as many are aggressive and pretty much force their tongue down your throat. I tried to keep it lip to lip but with some of the garotas they just ignored my que and forced there tongue down my throat.

How long was the bus ride to Iguasu? And how much did it cost?

Solo:

A lip kiss is called a "selinho" in portuguese - a stamp, like stamping an envelope. So if you're in a situation where you want to keep it "hygenic", say just selinho - "so selinho" - pronounced "saw sell-een-YO". Of course, some smiles and por favor will help get over the akwardness of why you don't want to play tonsil hockey. Hope this helps.

GCL:

The ride is about 18 hours, you may want to break it up with a stop in Curitiba. I'm just guesstimating, I know Rio-Sao Paulo is 8 hours, Sampa-Curitiba is 6 hours, Curitiba-Foz is another 8. But I'm sure there is a direct Rio-Foz bus, which has got to be less than 8+8+6=22 hours. Cost depends on the "class" of bus, but I'd be suprised if it's more than US$50. I'd defintely splurge and go on the "onibus leito", it has seats that recline into beds. And unless you are in Brazil for over a week, you're probably better off taking a plane, Rio to Foz should be around US$300.

BS

In general, what's the percentage of guys getting sick from termas? If your immune system is strong, you can block a lot of these short term illnes. Also, you can't wear your body down fuckin' everything in sight. Your body needs a rest from time to time. The illness is telling you, your body needs break. [notice how when you rest, you start to feel better]

SBronx:

Between this forum, WSG, and private emails, I count about 10 cases of the Thanksgiving Monger's Flu. Then again,t ehre could be some overlap, gusy posting here and there. So call it 7 or 8 out of how many gringo mongers? Oh well, a sore throat is certainly worth the Rio experience, but be careful with these high-mileage girls....

BS

BS: Check this....you leave the US, with mostly stuck up American women. Not sexually liberated. Enter Rio and the garotas ARE sexually liberated. You have a short time to enjoy yourself. You're in overdrive to get it all in. It's a shock to the system!! It's crazy to say slow down and rest, but it's like you must go into training before you enter The Sexual Olympics.

SBronx:

That's about the size of it. Just remember that "training" will not help you avoid the flu nor STD's. Taking care of yourself wil help keep your immune system healthy, which will help your body deal with an unfamiliar environment and schedule. But being smart is equally important. And I hope I don't have to preach about wearing a condom! Have fun, but be safe.

OK, I'm off my soapbox now...

Enjoy!

BS

BS: We're on the same page. I think the problem guys are having is, lettin' their bodies run down tryin' to do all the garotas they can. To avoid the flu and STD's, one has to be aware of the signs. Damn, if a garota is coughing or one doesn't use protection, a person leaves themselves wide open for illness. Think about how many guys they do. So be smart and stay aware. And of course,.....have a GOOD TIME

Thanks for the info Badseed. I did find a CD in one of the Termas lockers that some gringo (probably in a hurry to dress and go to the airport) left in the locker. Its a CD by a Brizalian guy that teaches you brazilian slang. How to ask for a blowjob ect. I'll try and get the name of the guy and post it (CD is in my car at the moment). Im sure that many people on this site would be interested in buying it. I found it at the end of my trip and never played it until I returned to US. I learned all the slang after returning. I ready for my next visit.
The bus trip to Iguazu Falls was 22 hours up and 25 back although it was also suppost to be 22. It cost 120 Real each direction. The bus fron Iguazu to Buenos Aires is 15 hours (met some backpackers in Iguazu who bused it from BA).
The reason it takes so long is because the bus makes frequent stops. I tried to get an express bus (non-stop) but was told there are none. The trip up was not bad due to my health; the trip back was long but got to see the country side. The bus drivers both up and back did a good job of driving the bus in a safe manner.

Badseed what's portuguese slang for a big wet
sloppy, how far down your throat can I get my
tongue kiss? If there is one.
While I'm thinking about it what's
the word for "hickie" in portuguese. I've been
trying to think of that word.

Selo, Drop me a email about that CD sounds pretty good.

Mangoman, I've had a cold/flu on two out of four
trips.

Dallas:

No real word for French kissing, the closest is "tongue kiss" - beijo de lingua. Pronounced: beh-jew dee leen-gwah".

Hickie = chupao , where the a has one of those little wavy things over top (tilde). "ao" is a sound that has no english equivalent and you'll ahve to learn to speak portuguese, it's very common. The closest to it is maybe "aung" with a very soft ending.. listen to people talk in Brazil, you'll pick it up soon enough. "chupao" is pronounced "SHOE-paung".

A "big" tongue kiss is probably closest to what you want to say for *deep* DFK. That would be "beijao de lingua", where beijao is pronounced "bey-jaung"... among other things, the "ao" suffix makes any masculine noun "bigger", "ona" for feminine nouns - i.e. "bundona" for a nice big bunda. ;-)

Portuguese lesson over for the day.

BS

Badseed Ha, thanks alot for the portuguese
lesson. I keep working on my portuguese but it
still sucks

you can just tell him 'brigadao, lol...a big thanks...

I got sick twice in a two week period on my first trip, but this trip I managed to stay pretty much healthy (a bit run down on day 5, but i slept most of the day and the slight sore throat and runny nose was gone right away)...I have this cough though, that won't seem to go away, and I'm not sure if it's from quitting smoking or from my first rio illness...between lack of sleep, exposure to totally new foreign germs, running down your body by constant sex (it's a known fact that ejaculating robs your body of a ton of nutrients), and last but not least, 10+ hours of recirculated airplane air, it's no wonder most of us come down with colds...I've spoken to expats living in Brazil that said they were sick for their first 6 mos. or so, off and on, until their bodies adjusted to the germs and viruses of the country and built up an immunity...

A suggestion would be to take Zithromax (zarithromycin)at the very end of your trip, even if you have no syptoms of being sick. It will cure anything from a sinus infection to the clap and you can get it at the local farmacia. It's the latest and greatest antibiotic. Two pills the first day, the one each for four days thereafter. Got Strep throat last time I got home from Rio, and it knocked it out in no time. Of course, it does nothing for viruses, so eat right to keep the immunities up.

Please fergive my ignerence but WHY must one kiss whores? I only bang them while my penis is properly covered. I save my kisses exclusively for really beautiful regular girls. My mouth is the most hygienic part of my body...... jeeeez

Jupiter,

Why does anyone kiss anyone? How do you know that one of your "really beautiful regular girl" didn't blow some guy and swallow, just an hour before you met up with her?

Righty roo Catocony, I guess I'll just stop kissing everybody altogether including my Mom.
We live in a very dangerous world...

Just kiss your Mom on the cheek and you should be fine. You should cut out frenching with her though

I used to get sick everytime i went to Rio and Stayed in Copacabana,its that Shitty Air there,the car Fumes in the tropical heat,every since i decieded to stay in Ipenema and now Barra,i v'e never been sick since