Jag, I miss that yellow towel. It was worth the non-OSHA safety climb up those three flts of stairs...I think she removed the towel as a token of her appreciation for probably being the only Gringos to ever set foot up there! As you know, we should have "'planted" something upon reaching the summit (3rd floor) This obviously call for MORE RESEARCH...work, work, work!!

Jaguar,
Nice photos of VM, post some more.
Thanks

Holyshit Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore!
I like the girls but how's the food?

Latinlover, don't go near that food!!! It looks good, smells good, but after hearing one of Jag's experiences after he tried it, NOT GOOD!
Just enjoy the wine(sic) women, and song (loud music).

If the choices are to: 1, eat the food and possibly die or 2, fuck those ugly piranhas and possibly kill myself afterwards, I guess I would have to go with the food.

That one bitch looks like Ickey Woods.

I'd be surprised if someone on this board hasn't already committed suicide after looking at the last photo. It takes an awful lot of perspective to want to go on living after seeing THAT.

Cat, That Icky Woods comment was a classic. So was the port a pot rant. VM is for the drinkers. The heavy drinkers. Good luck to all who go there. I can get that service in Baltimore for 20 bucks. Better looking girls. I would go to VM just to see it but wouldnt throw the dice on that talent level.

The concept of flying 5000 miles for that just amazes me. I mean, I can understand Jag, but Copperfield and the rest of you, it just doesn't make sense. I mean, I thought there were some fat, ugly hoodrat hookers down in the South Florida but these VM girls make them look hot. Fuck, MBL looks significantly better compared to Ickeyinha.

Funny thing is Cato put those same girls in Tijuana and guys would be fighting in line to marry them and be their saviors! I've seen uglier girls getting marriage /savior proposals!!

Jag,

Second girl looks like she could be MBL's twin!!

As to the last girl, I doubt if even in Tijuana she would have many takers, let alone a line of guys waiting for her.

Then again, one can always count on Masterbates. Oh, wait a minute. I just remembered even he has given up on Tijuana after his Indonesian "trip."

Sandman,

MBL is not as ugly as Ickeyinha. Now that's saying something, since when it comes to MBL to say a girl looks better is a low bar to leap - about a millimeter off the ground.

With Ickeyinha, personally I think she's a female Bigfoot that wondered down from the mountains and some brasilero shaved her (partly) and put her on the street.

Cat,

You are right of course. This was one of those "first impression" deals.

I saw the photo before reading the story content. My first impression was, "damn, MBL looks like shit" (It has been a couple of years since I have seen her). My second impression after reading the content was, "well damn, could be her sister"!!

It is what makes our hobby so interesting as there is always somebody for everybody. I mean, look at some of the girls Jag and Masterbates have posted.

Just leaves more of the prettier ones for us eh??

CF
Actually, I was being facetious about the food,I prefer Marous. or M. P.
Although I'm not a big drinker, I do love to see places like VM. Have a drink and few laughs and like the Vets of this board say, you may find a diamond in the rough. I think its hilarious that some of the same women in VM can be found at help for many XXX's the price. I just don't think I could lay down on those tables...lol. And I don't fuck well standing up.
But I still want to see the place!

Latinalover,
You will add years of longevity by not eating there! Several diamonds-in-the-rough, no pics posted of them. One was blond, lite-skinned girl that looked like she was right off a Calif beach.
You are right about those rooms, tables & beds!
It will probably be the only time in your life you will be wearing shoes while having sex!
The experience is fun, cheap, and definitely different...........
I think Jag & I will drug Cat, take him there, prop him up in one of the rooms, and leave him there to recover, what do you think?

Usually you take your clothes off when having sex; at VM, you find yourself adding extra layers just to make sure nothing touches your skin. Down there, the pussy is the cleanest thing you'll come into contact with and that's not saying much.

I guess if Eskimos can have sex while wearing fur coats and whale blubber insulation, Jag can fuck furry whales full of blubber in VM.

My only interest in going to VM would be on Retards Day, to see Jag in his true natural environment - surrounded by the ugliest hookers and literally retarded mongers - it's just a Kodak moment for the ages.

CF:
He's too smart for the drug thing, a better way would be to have a garota he's hot for, make him bring her to VM, lure him into one of those rooms and lock him in with jag's girlfriend with the pink braids. And don't let him out until he munches some carpet.
Cat:
Seriously, have you been there? If so what was it like?

Nope, the concept of flying 5000 miles to go to VM doesn't appeal to me. I'm only to the point that I'm hitting a lot more massage places, 2nd-tier termas and sex apartments. There's plenty more between that and going to VM.

I hit an apartment my last day in Rio in April her name was ellen castro R90 she was great. I plan on going to a lot more apts this trip.

CAT: Actually, according to the onboard computers and GPS system, it's 6100 miles !

From Dulles it should be a shade under 5000 miles non-stop. From Miami, a little over 4000. Now, the way you fly, it could take an extra thousand miles or so just to get the plane pointed in the right direction. But, with good pilots, from the East Coast, certainly less than 6100 miles.

I am not new to mongering, but new to Brazil and this board. I have a business trip to Brazil coming up in the next couple of months, so I am doing my homework.

Question: I read a lot about "going upstairs" and "going to be booth" in this trail. What should one expect upstairs? is that just a quiet place to coordinate with the Garota? or is it more private?

Well, not private and a bit quieter. The main dance floor at Help is huge - it's a big disco. On the first floor around the dance floor are the bars and the standing areas. The upstairs area is just a balcony area that wraps around and covers part of the bar areas below. The DJ is up there and it's open over the dance floor. So, yeah, maybe a bit quieter but not really. But, it's an area with booths and benches to sit on.

(Message edited by catocony on August 28, 2007)

If you want a cozier spot to sit and talk (or interview) a girl, then upstairs is the place to go. Best to just stay on the floor where the variety abounds and you are free to dance, mingle, and walk up to the bars. Once you are inside you will quickly see the difference.

anyone have more pics of the girls at VM...going to Rio in November, I've heard alot about VM but never been...thinking about checking it out this time..

Prof. Jaguar teaches VM-101 tuesdays and thursdays at 7pm.

Jag's tutalage is excellent, besides the tour of VM, you will be shown all the various accomodations VM has to offer. Bars, bars, more bars, girls, girls, more girls, etc....
Its fun, cheap, toxic, exciting, dirty, did I mention CHEAP? Diamonds in the rough available.

Few of us are quite as bold (i.e., insane) as Jaguar...we don't take cameras with us when we venture into VM. Take a picture of the wrong person there and you can find yourself in a world of trouble. Jag gets away with doing things others can't because the locals see him in his pink polo shirts, going places where everyone knows you're not supposed to go, and they assume he's a harmless, mentally ill gringo.

Next time, you might want to post your request under the VM thread.

Bwana Dik,

That pink shirt has gotten me into and out of more trouble than you can imagine.

Jag

Jag,

Believe me, I've considered borrowing my son's pink polo shirt (they seem to be popular in your neck of the woods).

Bwana

I've got to say that I found "Help" to have the widest selection of different types of beautiful women that I have seen, and I have done this in a lot of places--Mexico, CR Thailand, Philippines, Hong Kong, Europe . . . The hottest ones are starting out at asking for 450 Reals, but I found that if I just laughed and said no, they would come with me anyway and accept what I decided to pay after we were through or the next morning. I was so enamored of "Help" that I only went to one Terma in several days. But the Monte Carlo did have beautiful garrotas.

The perpetual Help discussion, talk about a roller coaster ride. Some nights it's good, some nights so-so, etc. No matter what it will always be the Help we have all grown to love, hate and holds so many memories, good, bad and otherwise!

I am happy you had a good time Merfer.I love it when some guys post " I will bet there were not over 20-25 doable women available in Help the whole place. The rest were not hot" Admittedly, if true, this is a slow night. But exactly how many doable ones do you need on a given night? two? five?. I was there with CFK and he had the hotest blonde of septermber with him, playing kissy face, I had found the non-feral but magic one and Grinder, well, he seem to find the 1-3 he needed per night.

So, if you need to pick up more than 20 doables per night there are going to be some nights when Help is not going to be able to give you that number. My suggestion is to take an oath of celibecy and step out into Atlantico and play chicken with the oncoming taxis.

I have seldom have gone there without bringing one or two back that I usually repeat with. Perhaps its my boyish charm and babyface that makes the difference but I do not think so. Me thinks that it fashionable for some to bash a popular venue because it is there.

Normally there are around 30 that I want and 50 that I could do. There are also several that caparhinis were designed to assist. I have been known to buy a couple for these girls and say "good luck".

What is it with some of these Help GDPs throwing out hourly rates? It used to be I might get that from hot Sao Paulo girls who were used to that where they worked in SP. But, now it seemed more prevalent.
i gave in and paid a girl 100r for a little over a hr.

Not really a Help fan. But I did pay a visit on the 26th of Jan. Lots more Pimps working groups of girls now. Remember pimps are the parasites of our game if you do spot the girl talking to a pimp, give her a wide berth.

Cincoleche, I think its a situation where the Help girls picking up the "1 hour rate" technique from their Sao Paulo conterparts. I never saw so many SP girls in Help!!

Lest we forget it's January - vacation season. I'd be willing to bet that 30% - 35% of the girls are from out of town. They're on vacation staying with friends and working HELP to pick up some extra cash. I met a school teacher from Curitiba a few weeks ago. She told me she would earn two months worth of her teachers salary in three weeks at HELP. Put that together with their terceira salario (13th month salary) and their vacation pay and January is big month for them.

Either she's the most expensive teacher in Curitiba or the worst puta in Help. To match a couple of months of a teacher's salary, which is maybe R$2,000 at the most, she only has to do 7-10 programs. I guess she plans on going home a lot.

Cinco,
I invite everyone to review the Help chat 2 months ago regarding the high quotes, and absurd prices! Everyone needs to stand there ground, after all everything has a price limit. I turned down a stunner as we we at an impasse over 50RI (It wasn´t the 50RI, it was the principal) and we both left alone that night! And that was AFTER I was still going to pay a top rate.....
CFK

cfk-principals??!!you are a whore..you(we) have no principles...I hope you invest the R50 in airline stocks...luv u meanit

You're preaching to the choir CFK. Your message is more appropriate for the people who aren't on this board: the guy on his first, and probably only, trip to Rio who is so overwhelmed he will pay anything and knows he'll probably never have a stunner again and doesn't want to blow his only chance by withholding a few reais. The regulars can easily walk away because they're often in Rio and know where they can find cheaper pussy. The one-timers are easy prey for the gdps' manipulation.

Lennox,
I agree with you 100% I just wish more of the guys would walk away, but as you say a newbie is so overwelmed.

Layne87-THANK YOU

PS: I put it in a VERY sound investment; condoms!

This time is great because there are so many out of town girls in Rio, but on the other hand you pay for high season. Now my mongering time is limited, but I generally limited my selection to Carioca's. The girls from the other regions, especially Sao Paulo, tend to be more reserved and expensive. Of course there are exceptions, but that seemed to be the trend I observed. After Carnival things will get back to normal, local girls will get more desperate again and the rest go home to their respective states. Its market forces and you can hardly blame a girl for asking for top $$$ when she can. The hour trend sucks for sure...but my friends are reporting it more with out of town girls, versus girls from Rio. Actually, not just for cost purposes, I would stay clear of any girl that quotes by the hour no matter how low the price. It will certainly almost ensure a rush session with her only desire to return to Help as quickly as possible to get her next paid customer. Overall top notch looks girls have always demanded more, I don't think that really has changed much. By the way, entrance fees to Help will also increase during Carnival time to R$50.00+ depending on the day and "theme". Deals can always be had, but high season certainly limits the options - not just with the girls but also with outrageous prices on almost anything from hotels to restaurants. To economize just wait until late and pick-up the left-overs :-)

There are both pros and cons to Help! Most of which have been covered here. I have made maybe 15 trips to Help in 2008. I had both great experiences and terrible experiences there. So I don't think its because, as some members think, you are a good looking stud or because you spend a lot of money. I was the same person all 15 times. It is the old axiom "TIMING IS EVERYTHING"
I did notice the same gpd's working help night in and night out, so if you like to dance a better option would be to make a date with a hot terma girl and go to Nuth, cheaper, no hourly rate, and you pretty much know what you are going to get, and it is almost always better then what you got from her in the terma.

You're right - it makes absolutely no difference how you look! But I do think it is all about $$$ AND being in the right place at the right time.

L M
You right, but even the $$$s are controlled by timing. Case in point, I know of a few, very beautiful p4p girls if you catch them when the rent is due or they are broke, christmas, ect ect will fuck you for 1/2 their normal rate, hence even the dollars are controlled by timing!!! You and I see the same girl 3 weeks apart she says no to me for 300R and yes to you 3weeks later for 200R... so you are young and hot I am old and fat.... not so... when I approached her she just came off a 3 day stay with some multi millionaire who paid her $5000 and she was flushed with cash and had a sore pussy. When you approached her she was broke and had not had a trick in 4 days! So in the final analysis its all controlled by luck (timing), even the $$$.

i enjoyed the shit i got in Dec - got quoted 200 each for a dupla...afterwards, they tried the "no, we meant 200 USD each"...called BS of course but was at their apt rather than mine so was a little nervous how things would go down...did they really think i would pay $1500 to fly down and pay US prices???

Say it ain't so Joe, say it ain't so.....

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Reading the local papers it looks like Help will be closing in the not to distant future. I expect it will take a few months to get the paper work sorted.
The plan is to use the site for a museum.
Must say I tend to avoid the place these days. Far to many pimps and scam artists. However I do have fond memories of Help from the midd nineties.

Brazil's Most Notorious Prostitution House Becomes a Museum
Written by Elma Lia Nascimento
Friday, 01 February 2008

Rio's Help Disco Brazil's most famous temple to lust and prostitution may soon become a fond memory for some and a glad-it's-gone for many others. Rio de Janeiro governor, Sérgio Cabral, has expropriated and declared state property the building and land that house the Help night-club, in Rio.

The place's address is 4 Djalma Ulrich street, corner of Atlântica avenue, in the heart of Copacabana, in the south side of Rio. Help, which is located in a 17,200 square feet lot, has been, for about two decades now, a sanctuary for prostitutes and her clients, most of them Brazilian and foreign tourists.

The governor's decree bearing number 41,151 was published this Tuesday, January 29, by Rio de Janeiro state's Daily Gazette. Cabral's intention is to use the place for Rio's Museum of Image and Sound (MIS), which is now housed downtown.

The state government's press office says the idea is to transform the location in an ample house of culture and leisure considerably broadening the MIS's reach and scope. The museum has a big collection of movies, radio clips and samba and bossa nova material.

Curiously Help isn't known as "boate" as Brazilians call a night-club or any other racier name like chicken ranch but as a family-oriented "discoteca."

Help was born in 1984 as a disco for the affluent Cariocas (Rio residents). Before that decade had ended, however, the place became Rio's largest prostitution playground. In a time when the old discothèques are being called lounges, Discoteca or Disco Help kept the innocent aura of decades past.

Besides Help, there are two restaurants doing business in the same location to be expropriated: Terraço Atlântico and Sobre as Ondas (Over the Waves).

Commenting on the end of Help, a Copacabana resident rejoiced: "That is a big victory for Copacabana, an important step to fight prostitution in the neighborhood, because this night-club has got only whores and gringos. The Museum of Image and Sound will be much welcome, despite the fact that the initial idea of setting up a Soccer Museum would make more sense because the MIS already has its place downtown and in the Lapa district. They might as well include the Havanna Club bar in this cleaning-up project since this is another spot that caters to prostitutes and johns."

"With the end of Help the tendency is for the night bosses to strengthen their control," said anthropologist Thaddeus Blanchette in an interview to daily Folha de S. Paulo. "There might be a professionalization in a bad way."

Blanchette is co-author of the study: "Our Lady of Help: Sex, Tourism and Transnational Displacement in Copacabana." The scientist believes that over 1,000 ladies of the night sell their wares at Help during summer time, which is right now.

They all work as free-lancers paying a small fee to get in: 22 Brazilian reais (US$ 12.4) before midnight and 32 reais (US$ 18) after that. The same price everybody else, man or woman, has to pay to enter the night-club.

The ladies may recoup the investment 20 times over with a john alone for a short session lasting less than one hour. Prices may vary quite a bit, however, starting a low US$ 25. The place stays open until 5:30 am every day.

Hip hop and techno are the main musical food offered. There's plenty of alcohol, with a beer going for about US$ 4 and a small bottle of champagne for around US$ 12. Vodka and whiskey are also available setting you down about US$ 10 a shot.

The expropriation of the Help building might take some time. The state will only take control of the place a couple of months after a judicial process in which the owners of the real estate will have their say on how much they will accept as compensation for the place.

All those leasing space in the building seemed surprised at the government's decision, despite the years-long pressure from the neighborhood against the whorehouse front.

Adriana Rattes, Rio's secretary of culture, is hopeful that as early as March she will be able to start planning for the new space and new museum, which she believes will count on the help of the private sector.