Vila Mimosa is worth seeing, but not worth taking girls. (whoever has better information, email me 1234567@innocent.com and let's take a trip to VM and you show me around)

You get much better deals at downtown short time massage parlors. Especially they are much cleaner!!

I have a list of these establishments. Some are very nice, considering the price.

I recommend Vila Mimosa only for satisfying curiosity. It is not worth getting girls there, because you find them cleaner and cheaper in downtown brothels.

You find them in O Dia classifieds, which can be found with some patience at www.odia.com.br

To make it simple, just go during office hours daytime to "Travessa do Ouvidor # 37", this is a pedestrian street and 5 out of 6 floors are brothels, starting at 20 R$ for 15-20 minutes. The one on the bottom floor is even fairly clean but tries to sell you 40 or 50 R$ programas, but I already had girls for 20 or 30 there after insisting.


cheap stuff starting at R$ 10 you get here
Rua Ouvidor, 130/Apts: 304, 404, 616, 707, 911

a bit sleazy also is this building which is 80% brothels
Rua da Carioca, 59/Apts: 301, 401, 402, 501

I have a bigger list, but these should keep you busy .....

actually I am not sure if all of the addresses of Rua Ouvidor are still valid.

Always prepare an excuse if you make a mistake and if the place is not a brothel. You are looking for a travel agency or whatever!!

Bring your own 2 towels, one to dry off, one beach towel to put underneath. Sheets certainly are not changed every time a new customer comes.

It is very normal to check out a massage parlor and then to leave "vou dar mais uma voltinha" ou "volto mais tarde".

It is advisable to wait for 10 minutes to check out the girl that is busy. The rare gem or superstar is constantly busy, so you will not see her if you just look for 1 minute

You will see lots of dogs in these places. But often you find real cuties. These cheap parlors have employment ads out every day. Most girls you find at an expensive termas started there career in one of these cheapo places. Expensive termans dont advertise for girls, therefore they tend not to get the 18 year old newbies.


Go here to see the ads in o Dia
http://odia.ig.com.br/classificados/
click on Casa for Quinta feira (one of the more crowded days)
Then pick termas/massagens
Confirm you are over 18
You are there. Today it is http://odia.ig.com.br/classificados/anuncios/e_quinta_54500.htm but this address probably changes daily.

This one is the cheapest, you get a free beer included in your R$ 10 programa.

ABALOU 10,00
Grátis uma cerveja. Passe maravilhoso momento com lindas gatas!!! Realizando fantasias! Ouvidor 130/ 911. Leve duas pague uma.


Cheap parlors are very good for fans of anal sex. you just pay a bit more, which gives you a longer time and automatically includes anal in some of these parlors.

If you dont want to go downtown, try diabolicks in Copacabana for R$ 40. It is in another thread in the termas conversation.

If you catch me in the right mood, I may show you to some of these places. I know another American who likes to take guys there too. I live in Copacabana. Email me before you go there


BrazilSpecialist 1234567@innocent.com

PS: I can afford higher prices then R$ 10 too. But I hope this price list makes you think before plunking down R$ 450 for a Help girl!!

Some excellent and useful information here to balance out the higer cost chicas from Brazil. Seems to me the places you mention probably cater to locals..

definitely.

the cheap places cater to locals who are not upper middle class and higher.

Though some of these places have guys coming in wearing suits. Usually they are the more "expensive" ones, starting at R$ 30 or so, and much cleaner than the average termas

Most clients are blue collar, poor students, simple clerks, etc.

the high end termas are NOT a tourist ripoff, higher class Brazilians would only go to Monte Carlo and similar high class termas.

Why do you want to go through all that hassle to save some $R ?

"bring your own towels"

I dont work 40+ hours a week and take a 15+ hours flight to Rio,
to torture myself like this.

I understand if someone wants to nicpick among top-tier thermas as MC, 4x4,cent or Luomo's
but c'mon trying to save $20-$40USD when your on vacation is senseless.
It's like being on vacation and eating top ramen everynight.


"This one is the cheapest, you get a free beer included in your R$ 10 programa."


Unless you are telling me that I can get top tier quailty thermas exactly as mentioned above for $R10 I'm there. WoW! Top Tier pussy for
$2.80USD($R10)

Does any of the girls make outcalls for $R10
If they aren't good looking maybe I can offer some house duties for them as getting my laundry or doing some dishes.
You know help them out a little,


CN

Ceenotes,

RIGHT ON !!! There is a big difference between being thrifty and being cheap. Remember guys ... the ultimate "cheap" date is your fist.

McDijj

CN & Mcd,
Brazilspecialist is offering some useful information for those who want to take advantage of it. Each of us have different pockets and different sensibilities. Not much point in being negative for a guy who is trying to help us out.

Stayawayjoe,

Brazilspeacialist is a Rio based business man who is posting what amounts to SPAM on this board. Please note that his self-promoting posts always contain contact info (hook) as well as a tid bit of monger info (bait).

Are you familiar with Texas Mike or Franco in TJ? Those guys have got some good information, but they are basicly leeches. What would become of this board if those guys (and every other street corner pimp in the world) were to start posting SPAM?

I appreciate your standing up for individual diversity. "Bravo!" It's just your choice of who you choose to champion that I wonder about.

McDIJJ

AMEN Ceenotes. Unless the girls are stunners I'm not going to venture into some dive bar trying to save 5 dollars. After living with Tijuana short-timers that you drop 70 bucks for twenty minutes of no eye-contact sex, Rio's top-tier termas are a relative bargain- mana from heaven as far as I'm concerned. Filling your day with sex and absolutely gorgeous women in Rio is so inexpensive to begin with, I can't believe someone would go through the trouble of trying to look for cheaper places to party.

As long as it's relatively safe, I'm interested in this kind of info and just ignore contact info if I don't need it. Hell, even if it's not safe, I'd like to know so I'd have advance warning if I heard about it elsewhere. I'm not on a tight budget, but I do like to know about other available options and finding those gems.

I mean, with some of this logic you could say why would you ever go to Tropical in TJ when the better looking girls tend to work at Adelitas and Chicago for a little bit more. Amy, one of the best looking AB girls started off at Tropical and gave much better service when I did her there. Same goes for her friend Fleur. Daniella, Erica, and hot girls also made their debut at Tropical. One I knew from while back was an American citizen and came to my house in San Diego twice. If I hadn't known about Tropical and learned about it from Texas Mike who also happened to post his email address, I'd still be really grateful.

I appreciate the info and agree sometimes you find diamonds looking in the divebars. I do find it funny that there is a sizable mentality out there that doesn't realize how fortunate we all are- I mean paying 50 to 100 bucks to have an orgasm is very cheap compared to the bullshit you'll go through and pay doing it the conventional way (wine-dine the new receptionist at the office). My point is simply that squabling over alittle cash for a hot chick is not worth it- as is refusing to pay for quality. It's all about the quality of girls- I will gladly pay 1,000 dollars for a night with the hottest Rio terma girl, if I could find her and she demanded it. On the other hand, I wouldn't pay 1 real to let a dumpy Help slut take away my hard-on. I'd never walk into a Mercedes dealership and say "I want the 500 SL but you're charging too much." That's what the Honda dealership is for. Nothing wrong with the Honda place- but you ain't gonna find no Mercedes there.

How much could the girl be making? Why would any half decent girl with sexual skills work there? It seems to me that the old adage-- You get what you pay for would hold true.

Dart,

I'd be arguing with you, but remembering Amy when she was at Tropical has melloed me out. Don't take me wrong ... I give Mike his $3 for breakfast, lunch, dinner (what ever time of day it is) when ever I see him. I just don't want to see this board turned into a advertising medium by folks who live off the fringe of the sex trade.

McDIJJ

*** By Mcdijj: Brazilspeacialist is a Rio based business man who is posting what amounts to SPAM on this board. Please note that his self-promoting posts always contain contact info (hook) as well as a tid bit of monger info (bait).

>> funny, there are always some flamers that make one wonder why I spend my time posting. I know many frequent good posters left these boards because they are sick and tired of stupid remarks and smirky libelous comments.

>> funny, there are always some flamers that make one wonder why I spend my time posting. I know many frequent good posters left these boards because they are sick and tired of stupid remarks and smirky slanderous comments.

>> Mcdijj: Are you the guy who tried to flame me to death on the wsa board using multiple handles?? Until the moderator deleted the entire thread!? Are you connected to these guys who show tourist around charging fortunes who might feel threatened about me giving free advice? I will not give names so we dont start a new flame war.

>>please explain exactly what business I am promoting with my spam!


>>here is the business I am promoting in the above post:

>>from my post above: "If you catch me in the right mood, I may show you to some of these places. I know another American who likes to take guys there too. I live in Copacabana. Email me before you go there"
BrazilSpecialist 1234567@innocent.com


>>sorry for this terrible spam and self promotion!!You are of course welcome to go alone or not go there at all.

>> or do you really get offended that elsewhere I mentioned I rent a room in my apartment (I already made 75$ on this ever since I started renting it. In exchange the guy burned my $50 vibrator which I, businesslike, loaned to him) or I rent a few cellphones (I already made R$ 100 on that in the last month). There are people on this board who gross R$ 10 000 to R$ 30 000 or more per month from tourist business in Rio (just mentioning it, no attach or envy implied), and you complain about me making a measerly $100??


** By Mcdijj: I give Mike his $3 for breakfast, lunch, dinner (what ever time of day it is) when ever I see him. I just don't want to see this board turned into a advertising medium by folks who live off the fringe of the sex trade.

>>again, does this comparison apply to me? I guess I had enough time I should sue your for slander! Gee, yes, a few people even invited me for free lunches after I spent 3 hours with no pay trying to help them out. If I were living off that, I sure would not be overweight any more.


>>and you call this post a tidbit of information as bait plus a lot of spam??? Jesus!!! this is really so disgusting!!! I posted some information that most of you guys have never heard of, have never even dreamt of. Actually, most higher class Brazilians who frequent Monte Carlo dont know this either.


>>this is probably the first bit of TOTALLY NEW AND ORIGINAL INFORMATION on this board in a while (as opposed to details about yet another girl in a terma everyone has known for 3 years).
And this a bait for spam?? come on!! Find something better to do in life than inventing vicious lies to attack other people!!!! Why are you doing this???


>> Yes there are high quality girls in the cheap places, but you have to search. High quality in the sense of young, good body, good attitude and good service. Not in the sense of classy clothes and impeccable grooming. Also not high quality in the sense of environment, it is not as clean or nice as a R$ 200 termas

**Does any of the girls make outcalls for $R10

>>these girls will not do any outcall for less than R$ 50 or R$ 100. It would not surprise me if some of you guys already paid R$ 150 for the same girl on outcall, or R$ 250 for the same girl in help!! After you pay her the R$ 250 she goes back where other people get her for R$ 20. But actually, I recently did not go to these places either, I get semi pro girls that madams or other girls introduce to me.


>>it is funny how there is a thread about Vila Mimosa, a place that is totally disgusting compared to most of the places I listed, which are just slightly unclean. Why no heavy flames in the Vila Mimosa Thread???

** By Ceenotes >> Why do you want to go through all that hassle to save some $R ?

**"bring your own towels"

**I dont work 40+ hours a week and take a 15+ hours flight to Rio, to torture myself like this.


>>Ceenotes: I am aware that most of you guys dont care if you spend US$ 40 or US$ 4 for a girl, especially if you are in a hurry. Did you read that many well informed Brazilian also choose to go to Monte Carlo or Aeroporto?

>>Does that mean it is BAD to post information where to find cheaper stuff? YOU decide where you go and what you do with your time.

>>You guys who stay at the Mariott and at Sheraton, do you flame those people who write about economy rooms at the Hotel Arpoador or Debret or even cheaper places? Or the business class fliers, do you flame those guys reporting on economy flights or cheap courier flights!?


** That's what the Honda dealership is for. Nothing wrong with the Honda place- but you ain't gonna find no Mercedes there.

>> wrong! You find some brand new, yet unpolished Mercedeses among lots of beat up old Hondas. Because many of the Mercedes started out as Hondas when they started driving (if you get the gist: many of the high price girls started out at the cheap termas). Also the young Mercedes is in a very sleazy neigborhood and in a run-down garage. Still, I understand that most of you guys dont want to bother to go to these places, if you are here only for 3 days. You wait till next year when the mercedes is newly painted, nicely shined, in a good garage. Of course, also with higher mileage, and last year's car.


*** Unless you are telling me that I can get top tier quailty thermas exactly as mentioned above for $R10 I'm there. WoW! Top Tier pussy for
$2.80USD($R10)

>>yes you can. Usually not in the R$ 10 places, only in the R$ 20 or R$ 40 places. For example, there is a buttman movie girl in diabolics for R$ 40 (Vanessa,anyone can find her on the buttman site because I can't. And she was too stupid to keep a few copies of buttman magazine. She is not a good business person, that is why she does not do R$ 500 programas).
>>But the overall experience at a cheap place will probably not satisfy you, because the environment is a bit depressing if you are used to nice places.

>>For example, I introduced 2 girls from a R$ 20 place to an American tourist. He gladly paid R$ 200 per girl. They were tops. No, you flamers, I did not get commissions from that deal. And if I did, would it be so terrible?? The guy had the time of his life, two girlfriends sucking him simultaneously. He would have to try out about 10 girls from help or termas until he would find such a pair with such superb performance

>>Over the years I took a few girls out of cheap places. They got immediate job offers from high class termas or got immediately US$ 100 customers from Help. Yes, blame me I spoiled the girls and spoiled the price .....


>>On the tsm website, there are fotos of an orgy in a cheap place, where girls start at R$ 20. Of course, they guy who shot the photos chose to stay for a longer time, so he probably paid R$ 60 or more per girl.

**By Fooledagain1: How much could the girl be making?

>> let us say, 4 programas at R$ 20 each, half of that for the girl, that is R$ 40 per day. Some make only R$ 20 per day, others R$ 150 per day (4 programas for R$ 50, 3 programas for R$ 30).

** Why would any half decent girl with sexual skills work there?

>> they are jobless girls from suburbs that dream of minimum wage jobs at R$ 250 per month (R$ 10 per day). Or are tired of these jobs and are happy to make triple or 6 times that amount. They read an ad in the newspaper looking for girls. They are as unaware of the fact that some stupid gringos pay her monthly salary for an hours programa, as you are unaware that there are girls out there for R$ 10, 20, 40.
Actually, some of these girls make more than some termas girls. Of course they work harder for it. One girl I knew was gorgeous, was better than anything you could find at Monte Carlo at that time. Now she is living in the US married to an american. She said her record is 16 customers in one day, rarely less than 8. Flame me again, I know this may be a turn off.

**It seems to me that the old adage-- You get what you pay for would hold true.

>>for your higher money get nicer packaging, and a nicer store with aircon. And of course, there are some total dogs at the cheap places that would not even get past the security guard in a top termas.


>> for you big spenders, I can try if I can find the link to the model website I posted on tsm last year: R$ 5000 for a date with a girl that is top model for a famous brand of foreign car. Each one spends according to his preferences!! for cheap guys, you can find girls there for R$ 2000, even a few for R$ 400 (yuck, how cheap)

Brazilspecialist,

PLEASE stop pimping yourself and your service. You expect us to believe you're not a guide and trying to sell something when you link your email to every gratuitous post you make. What I'd like to see is what your rates are or how you are making money off of us, but I don't guess we get to read about that, right?

I really like your posting style too.......

>>>You expect us to believe you're not a guide and trying to sell something when you link your email to every gratuitous post you make.

***I'm offended you would say that. My posts are helping people. I'm not a tour guide I'm just doing this to help guys out. There are lots of people selling something for nothing, especially in Rio.

>>>Why would someone ask self serving questions and then answer them in their own post?

***Hmmm. That's a tough one. It can't be that I'm shamelessly trying to promote my own business by answering my own sofball questions because I've already said I'm not a guide and not making money.

>>>I’ve given this board "TOTALLY NEW AND ORIGINAL INFORMATION". I’m an insider and I live in Copa. How are Hombres on this board going to make it if I stop posting such useful information?

***Good point. But you don’t have do without me. Just email me at 12345@brazilianscamartist.com and I can help you out today!

Hombrecito I agree with you totally. BrazilSpecialist posts acts like he is not a guide but just wants to help tourists (I say BULLSHIT). Brazilspecialist why don't you deal the cards on top of the table and admit that you are a guide or a WANNA BE. People appreciate honesty more than deception. The vast majority of guys on this board are extremely smart professionals and appreciate honesty. BS tell it like it is that you make money or want to, or look for favors (like having them bring you things from the states). There are honest Americans who work hard at their business in Rio but you don't see them posting everyday, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day. They have worked hard and get the majority of their business from repeat visitors and referrals. My hat is off to them as they have worked hard and earned their business because of their honesty and hard work. I don't mean to flame you as I'm sure you are a nice guy but why don't you just quit advertising so hard in a forum like this board. Hemp

Well, I posted in tsm for about 5 years and never remotely had any commercial interests. Now a month ago I bought a few cellphones and made a small change to my apartment so I occasionally rent it out.

One of the reasons is that all my friends tell me that I am completely whacko for spending countless hours posting advice and showing people around and not making a dime. So now I am making a few dimes, probably about a tenth of a US minimum wage. If I spend 100 hours and end up making 100 dollars, that is 1 dollar an hour. Is this the disclosure you are seeking? Actually, I forgot to deduct my expenses for the cellphones, apartment cleaning, etc. Probably I am making much less.


I dont prevent people from donating me a lunch or whatever they please, but I never demanded it. Believe me, I can afford to buy my own lunch. I can even buy one for you!

I only demand people pay me my cost: some people got angry when I wanted 5 dollars for cellphone fees for calling up their girls on the cell phone. I dont think it is fair if I have to incur financial losses for helping people out.


What is wrong with asking a favor to bring something? I spent 2 months trying to find a pair of sneakers that would fit my feet (size is 8 width EEEE or extra large). So someone was nice enough to bring them to me. I paid him for it, if that is what you are hinting at. Is that terrible? So hereby I disclose this too. One guy even brought me a $1 thermometer and did not allow me to pay for it. Gee! If you want, I will now go and donate 1$ to the red cross, to get that guilt off my back.


Guess I really am too stupid. I never was a business person, always too shy to exploit people and demand money. that's what makes it so unbelievable to you. I really should charge. I should get commissions from the girls.


I dont make up the questions, the questions I answer come from your posts, if you would bother to read all the posts.

I like to help out, and I like to meet some of you guys. But I dont need all this abuse.

I have been at TSM for many years, earned myself at least 2 memberships per year (I only need one) and 1-2 lifetime memberships. I am the number 3 poster on their board, if you take off the board owner, I am #2. I am sorry I betrayed them and ventured out to other pastures.


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I dont really need to do this, I dont really need this abuse. I will observe this a little more, because it still seems to me that there are only a few flamers. But there is absolutely no need, I do this to help people, not to reap abuse.

???

Brazil S,

What escort service is by far the cheapest with talent?

I will most likely, put in a order for a dupla, and see if the frugal route is worth it.

I will get back to this board when I am in Rio next week to put your credibility on the line.
Is this fair enough?


CN

!!! !!!

BullshitSpecialist,

That post really cleared things up for me. I had no idea you were the #2 poster on another board. You are clearly a legend in your own mind.

So by only demanding your clients pay your costs, you earn no money and you are doing all this out of the goodness of your heart. You do admit your are a tour guide, you just do it for free.

I think you are full of shit and I still want to know how you make money off of people on this site.

I can see where this information would not be of interest to a narrow minded tourist but to a traveler this information is invaluable. Its an adventure to blend in and walk in the footprints of the locals. Thanks for the info Brazil Specialist and please dont let the tourist discourage you from posting.

Brazil Specialist, I don't have any problem with you hussling some business if that is where you are headed. Just be upfront it. Regardless, I am enjoying your posts since they are pretty much the only ones that deal with areas outside of the traditional tourist spots.

Here's a request: Rio is at the base of some fairly large mountains. I am assuming that there must be developed and non developed areas on the outskirts of Rio overlooking the city. Are there any sites of scenic interest there? What about mini vacation places for those who want to get out of the city for a while? Thanks.

*** Tight_Fit: Here's a request: Rio is at the base of some fairly large mountains. I am assuming that there must be developed and non
developed areas on the outskirts of Rio overlooking the city. Are there any sites of scenic interest there? What about mini
vacation places for those who want to get out of the city for a while? Thanks.

>> there are the tourist traps sugar loaf and Corcovado in town. Morro da Urca next to sugar loaf can be easily climbed. Sugar loaf can be climbed too, but is a little technical. Both are extremely safe as they are in military security area!

Corcovado already is quite unsafe, but that only bothers very careful people like me. Running or bicycling up there you risk to get mugged. Still a tourist should try it.

Oh, my good friend does tandem hang gliding, he is a top 10 rated Brazilian competitor, and if you mention BrazilSpecialist I even can get a commission! He knows all the mountains, there are a few more mountains around Sao Conrado.

Of course there are far away places like Petropolis, Teresopolis, Itatiaia, Visconde de Mauá. Just bring your own girl! And it is advisable you pick a more educated girl, one that does not look like an obvious low class whore to the eyes of Brazilians.

** By Solo: I can see where this information would not be of interest to a narrow minded tourist but to a traveler this information is
invaluable. Its an adventure to blend in and walk in the footprints of the locals.

>>thanks Solo. It is true, part of the attraction is simply the adventure to know different places.

I had some people who had some doubts about hygiene of these places. I told them: imagine this is a US lap dance place. Who tells you you MUST fuck these girls? just pay your 5 dollars and just grope the girl. Do that with 10 girls and it sets you back 50 $, about 2 expensive lap dances in the US. Of course, the girls will be confused, so you better bring a translator so she will not get upset.


by the way, is there a better way to answer questions than my "** >>" method?


*** Ceenotes: Brazil S,
What escort service is by far the cheapest with talent?

>> You mean outcall? probably Cassiascort, I think I posted about a "festinha" somewhere. R$ 80 an hour, R$ 100 2 hours. There are a few more,often small ones, in this range, like www.hotside.com.br/ninfetinhas.htm (?)

The real cheap rates at some places are only for incall. Did you read my posts explaining that you can basically do 3 Cassiascort girls for a total of R$ 100 (plus taxi), provided you share the girls with 2 friends. It is your choice if you want to do that orgy style in one room, or if you just use different rooms and switch girls every half hour.

This is one of the ways I "profit" from you guys.
I pay only 1 girl and get 2 or 3. Some guys decide they want to pay both girls and let me take part in the action. Of course, that is even better, but I never demanded this. It happens that it actually does not cost you a thing, because strangely enough, you pay the same if you get 2 girls for yourself alone, or if you get 2 girls for yourself plus another guy.

Also, different from a tourguide: I do what I like to do. I have not accompanied anyone to a termas in a long time, and I probably will not unless you pay my admission. Or if I am really very much in the mood, then I can pay my own admission. Basically I do what I please. On the other hand I have taken people to cheap massage parlors, when I was in the mood to go there anyway. I paid my own bus fare on these occasions. No problem. I am having fun.

The only time I went to Barbarella's last year was when someone offered to pay my R$ 50 admission. I just don't think it is worth this money for me, so I usually don't go there. Also, it is more fun to go there with a companion. Another perk I get from you. Unfortunately I was too dumb to write down half a dozen girls' phone numbers that day. But nobody is obliged to invite me to Barbarella, you are welcome to chat with me and then go on your own.

Another "benefit" I get from you guys: even if you only order one girl for yourself, I hope you get a girl that interests me too. So I get to see the girl live, including her face, without any risk or cost. I can then decide if I want to order her next time.

Many people dont give me a dime, I just make a few phone calls for them. Or they surf the web for 2 hours on my dsl line with my computer and dont pay me anything for it. No big deal, it does not cost me anything. Just having a few friends over. Some slip me a few bucks for the surfing, usually less then they would be paying in the internet cafe. That is ok too.


** I will most likely, put in a order for a dupla, and see if the frugal route is worth it.

>> ok. nothing wrong with these girls. As I said, the most frugal route is a festinha, sharing the girls. But I am open to all, anything goes, nothing must. So if you want the girls all for yourself, fine. No need to flame me that you dont want to do an orgy with me or share girls with me. There is no obligation.

Brazil S,


I checked out Cassiaescort, I cant find the prices but if your telling me R$80 for an hour times two ladies will bring me to R$160 plus taxi(if they ask) say what R$10-15
Now, the tough part is talking to the agency, I know they're most likey don't speak english and if I dont like what I see, I'm going to send it back, without thinking twice.

anything else I should know about cassiaescort before I make this move?

CN

I think taxi is more like 10-15 one way, so you pay 20-30. But that depends where the agency is, and where you are located.

if you send them back, round up the taxi a bit. It is a bit disappointing for the girl. Of course, if the girl is obviously not the one in the picture, then it is the agency's fault.


English IS a BIG problem.

I can make the call for you. I would be very curious to see the girls with my own eyes, so if your hotel is close by we can call them to my place first, and then you take them over. But if you want to have them sent directly over to your place, no problem.

If you want the girls for you alone (no party), I can even try to negotiate a discount, some agencies do that.

Actually, I think it is kind of a waste getting them for 80 one hour instead of 100 two hours.

Let us make a deal:

you get them for one hour. I add the difference, 2 times R$ 20 and get them the second hour! deal? I am not jealous, I dont mind being second. I gladly throw in free use of the suite in my apartment for you! Saves you the visitation fee if you are in a hotel, and if they even allow two girls at the same time. Plus I throw in an hour of internet surfing while I am busy. Or you just can go home.

See my devious mind, how I am profiteering! I will get flamed again!!


You see, there are many ways to do a "festinha". This one just came into my mind, it is even novel to me. So far I only did either all-people-in-the-same-room-orgy style, or each guy in a separate room with one girl at a time, one-by-one style.

And once more, if for some reason my proposal does not please you, no problem. You take them alone and remain in the sweet illusion that you are the only one to f**k them

It is your life, you decide what you like to do, I just make suggestions.

Brazil Specialist,

Myself and other members of the board are still waiting for you to explain your rates and how you earn money. Or are you now saying you just want us to pay for your sessions or get you discounts on festas?

No one here is dumb enough to believe you make all these long posts here and on other boards for free. I don't have any problem with you "profiteering", I just want you to be honest about it. Some guys on this board like Don and others don't, but at least Don will tell you what he does and what he charges. Then guys can decide if they want to use him.

We are still waiting to hear what your rates and charges are. Why the reluctance to tell us so far if you are an honest tour guide?

By Hombrecito1
Myself and other members of the board are still waiting for you to explain your rates

>>dont have any

and how you earn money.

>>internet sales(no, not escorts), rental property, stocks (not since the crash,though), interest, ... I hope you dont send the IRS after me if I make you a complete disclosure of all my income!!


Or are you
now saying you just want us to pay for your sessions or get you discounts on festas?

>>Yes. If you are in a spending vacation mood (which most of you are), then I will not refuse you chipping in more than your share


No one here is dumb enough to believe you make all these long posts here and on other boards for free.

>> well guess I am behaving too dumb. I just do things because they are fun, and I thy to help out. You guys, and also some girls in need. Sometimes when I am busy you just will not see me on the board for a few weeks. it depends on my mood. Sometimes this gets too much work. Sort of I started answering something, and it is getting too tiresome.

>>For I while I introduced girls personally.Then it got too tiring to me, as those girls dont keep any darn appointment. So I just threw all guys into my madam friend Claudia's lap. Let her earn her commission. I am trying to get some girls to learn enough English so they can do some of the work and make their commissions off that. But they usually are too lazy.


I don't have any
problem with you "profiteering", I just want you to be honest about it.

>>more honest than that is impossible.

Some guys on this board like Don and others don't, but at least Don will tell you what he does and what he charges.

>> I told you all. But you guys are doing a good job, I am seriously thinking if I should start charging. Also I am still waiting for someone to introduce me to Don. I have not even met Jose in person either.


Then guys can decide if they want to use him.

We are still waiting to hear what your rates and charges are. Why the reluctance to tell us so far if you are an honest tour guide?

>> because there are no rates, and because I guess I am not a tour guide (I am just trying to figure out the legal definition of tour guide so I can find out if I am one). I insist only on one thing: you pay my cost like cell calls or the taxi. I used to refuse any donation. I painstakingly avoid to get into the pimping business, I have no need to get involved into anything even remotely illegal. This is also why I want to find out if police ever harassed Don. I dont think it is illegal to get a girl for free or reduced rate (any lawyers here??), so that is ok. You pay me for renting a room, for a cell phone, that is also ok.

>>you are getting it all wrong. My posts are not the bait so I can rent you cellphones. The cellphones are the bait so I have an excuse for posting and showing some guys around.

>>I am trying to figure out what to do, as this is getting too much work. Have not quite figured out how to do it. Guess I will start accept donations, if someone wants to give them. Extra money is always nice, but I dont depend on this for my living.

>>I am also rethinking my policy: I knew a few girls that would be going out for R 100, out of which the madam would take R$ 50. So I would introduce them to a foreigner who would pay her R$200, voluntarily, knowing that she would do it for cheaper. The only result would be that the girl would charge me higher next time, as she would feel more valuable.

>>No thought of giving a freebie or of charging R$ 30 or R$ 50. But increasing my rate, that is too much! So now I just get her through the agency and have the madam earn her R$ 50 cut. Or I dont get her any more at all, because I think the attitude stinks. And send the foreign monger also to her madam.

>>so I am open to suggestions. I also dont want to drive Don and others out of business by offering help too cheaply. I also dont have the patience to guide people at all times to whereever they want, so there sure will be business left for them. Or maybe I learn to charge too, who knows.

>>I hope in the future there will be less squibbling and flaming, so I dont have to spend so much time posting unnecessary defenses here.

I guess its time I added my 2 cents to the discussion. I have watched B.S. get slammed this past week on the board and I have to say its not really warrented. I have known B.S. for a couple of years now and he is a really cool guy, horny as hell, but cool none the less:-) He hooked me up with a girl about 3 years ago for nothing and I have seen her every single trip since I have been back.

No matter how much a monger THINKS he knows about Rio, he will never know as much as a person who actually lives there year round. EX Bobby, Don, and BS. Unlike Bobby and Don, BS doesn't charge for his services, he does it because he LOVES to meet women and he will get a chance to hang with them after you head back to the states. I think the number one asset that BS brings to the table is new girls, he has access to many girls who are just starting out in the business. Imagine if you could meet a Rebecca, Brisa, Debrah quality girl who only works twice a month in order to have spending money or to go to school, that alone makes BS an asset to this board.

BS--You should charge what you are worth. I am certain you wouldnt have any effect on Dons biz. The best of luck to you.

In defence of my fellow BS'er, most guys who are trying to hustle a buck usually post things like "for the low price of XXX I can get you an apartment and a girl", "come to my website", "hey don't go to Don, Kenn, etc, use me!", etc. in every single thread on a forum. In other words, are a lot more hard sell. So far BS^alpha has been posting relevant information, and offering to party, and there's nothing wrong with that. So let's chill out and enjoy the ride.

BS^beta

Badseed,

My point is not that he doensn't provide some useful info-he does, but as Mcdijj pointed out, this is more of a bait and hook where he tries to get you to email him. Notice how he tried to slam Mcdijj after he pointed this out. I'm just asking if there's no business or monetary interest here, why post his email and why try to get you to contact him. How many other guys do this?

By the way, BSpecialist did try the slam Don routine on another board but quickly shut up when everybody rightfully piled on him for it. Again, if he has no financial interest in being a guide, I wonder why he would do something like that.

I just don't believe that he's doing this for free to help guys out and is not working an angle. Maybe I'm just not naive enough.

HC1

B.S.- if you really have access to fresh new talent that is high quality (along the lines of what your friend Thumper is suggesting) I would gladly pay you a hefty commission for introductions and interpritation. I, for one, don't care if you're making money or not, so long as you can produce results. I agree that is should be disclosed up front, however. I went to Rio armed with nothing other than knowledge off this site (I'd never even met a guy who'd been to Rio) and I got along just fine. Nobody really needs a tourguide, unless they're really insecure. But I'll be the first to sign-up for your services if you have connections to fresh, semi-professional girls on the fringe of the business. Otherwise, I enjoy reading the info but don't expect table scraps for telling us where the cheap termas are.

He just recently started to advertise the fact that he has a apartment for rent, however he has been providing info about Rio for years on TSM. He doesn't have any angles, he is not trying to hustle money from anyone, trust me, if he was a weasel, I would be the first one to bust him. The truth is, he is just a guy who likes hanging with fellow mongers and fucking garotas.

I have been to his apartment and seen his laptop, which is full of garotas pictures and personal info. He has access to alot of girls who are semi-pro, who only do this a couple of times a month. If you are tired of fucking a terma girl who goes thru 10 guys a day, give BS a call.

The only negative thing that I have to say about BS is that he can go a little overboard with the "orgy thing". He is constantly bringing it up, it can become a little annoying after a while. However, a simple "no thanks" usually will end the discussion.

HC1, Thumper, Maverick, and gang:

Exactly. Brazil_Specialist's only sins, at least as far as I can see, are using a self-aggrandizing handle (Poh cara! Eu SOU brasileiro e nao vou me chamando de "especialista", neh? Mas tudo bem...), giving me a not-too subtle hint to stop siging my posts "BS" because "it may cause confusion", and constantly angling for "festinhas," as Thumper pointed out. Annoying, but so what? If the Hombres were to chase annoying guys off this board, I would have been kicked straight to www.disney.com a long time ago! ;-)

Anyway, I think we should all just go with the flow and drop this whole pointless argument. HC1, I'll admit that my spider-sense went off too when he started constantly posting his email, but I've given him the benefit of the doubt. When BS^alpha posts something useful (like this thread, originally), we should participate and otherwise just ignore it. No sweat.


Back to the orginal point of this thread, I think that for an afternoon break from the routine, it's great fun to troll around some of the cheapo joints (beats the Lido clubs, IMHO). With a little luck, you can always find a "diamond in the rough" and it costs you what? a few hours, a few beers, a few reais. Why not? You DO need good portuguese though!

Abraco,

BS

Allright Brazil S,

I went to www.ciaplus.com and I see there Promocoes that there having.
If I call before 18:00,
R$100.00 for 1hr
R$130.00 for 2hr ___ Dupla R$250.00 2hr
Plus taxi costs,
Not bad, but If the girl doesn't do it for me; I will be forced to kick them on the streets(with taxi fare of course)
If I'm having a bad day I could be kicking 3 or 4 out before I find the one I want. 4x($R30)for taxi and I'm down R$120.00 with no ass.
I may be better hitting the beach for a quickie

CN

By Badseed:

>>Exactly. Brazil_Specialist's only sins, at least as far as I can see, are using a self-aggrandizing handle

** I started with this handle several years ago at the tsm website. At that time people hardly knew about Help and Monte Carlo, and nobody ever has written about Natal or Manaus. So I thought that handle was quite appropriate. So I kept this handle for other boards too. And by the way, I know more about whoring in Brazil than most natives.


>> (Poh cara! Eu SOU brasileiro e nao vou me chamando de "especialista", neh? Mas tudo bem...)

** cara, se eu quisesse poderia pedir a nacionalidade brasileira. Creio que apos 20 anos de residencia eu qualifico. Mas prefiro um passaporte que me de acesso aos Estados Unidos sem precisar de visto ....

>>, giving me a not-too subtle hint to stop siging my posts "BS" because "it may cause confusion",

** I did not tell you to stop, I just said that now there will be confusion.


>> and constantly angling for "festinhas," as Thumper pointed out.

** well you can blame me for that, I love festinhas. I confess my sins, forgive me. But I never locked anyone into a room, tied him to the bed and forced him to join an orgy.

** If you dont like orgies, we can have a festinha in two separate rooms, and if you dont want to do that either, who am I to force you. Then I will have to get a single girl, on my own. I can live with that, most of the time I just do that. No problem.

** let me explain the festinha advantages again: not only do you get 2 girls for the price of one. Often one guys prefers one girl, the other prefers the second girl. Perfect. often one girl is cute but bad in bed, the other not so cute but perfect blow job. Great, have one blow you while you fondle the other.

** now I have proven your point again, that I always push festinhas.

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I dont know what trauma people on hombre and wsg have about email addresses. Other boards normally post email adresses automatically, as part of the profile. Dont know why this is not the case here.

Also I like people contacting me, just I am not charging fees for that. Also often I dont have the patience to dig out every single thread in every single board. So if someone wants to contact me, ask something, they can email me. Makes life simpler.

I might be sort of disappearing from this board in the future, just showing up occasionally. So I think it is good if people can email me.

I think this board has an email notification feature!?? seems not to work though!!!!
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By Maverick
B.S.- if you really have access to fresh new talent that is high quality (along the lines of what your friend Thumper is suggesting)

** I know a few. But it lot more work, calling around, making appointmens when THEY have time, having them being late and not showing up, etc.

** So often I just pass people on to my madam friend Claudia (it takes years to find a secretive private madam like this on your own, so this introduction is worth gold)


I would gladly pay you a hefty commission for introductions and interpritation.

** as I said I dont want to get involved into anything that can be interpreted as pimping. But maybe I start accepting voluntary donations to my girl research fund. I swear it will be all applied into researching girls, none for food, car, etc. Or you treat me to a Monte Carlo visit. Actually a donation is not undeserved, because for every top girl I know I had to pay a) madam's fees b) 5 other not-so-good girls' fees


>>Otherwise, I enjoy reading the info but don't expect table scraps for telling us where the cheap termas are.

** I am aware that those people cheap enough to go there probably are not into making large donations. But I can tell you that many people were totally flabbergasted when they saw the quality of some of those cheap girls! But hell, I not telling you you HAVE to go there. Actually, I read so much about termas, I am ready to check out Monte Carlo for a change!

>>Ceenotes: If I'm having a bad day I could be kicking 3 or 4 out before I find the one I want. 4x($R30)for taxi and I'm down R$120.00 with no ass.

** this is a disadvantage of agencies. Some people choose not to deal with agencies for that reason. But with all the photos, the risk is not that big.

>>By Hombrecito1 By the way, BSpecialist did try the slam Don routine on another board but quickly shut up when everybody rightfully piled on him for it.

** I should not answer this, we are now at risk of starting a maior flame war again: I think Armani clothes and Luis Vitton handbags are overpriced, but hell, they sure are successful and making big money. The same seems true of Don's services. I just pointed out that you can get 0.5 to 10 girls per day for the fee he charges from every single customer,which is about 20 times the local minimum wage (R$ 240 per month) times the number of people he guides. But I would be glad to meet him, and power to him if he makes people happy for their money. Lots of the flames I got came from some multiple handle guys, so much that the whole thread was deleted by the moderator. Also somehow people were not able to come up with rational arguments and answer my questions but just went into blind attach mode. Gee, I hope the whole Don-defense-army will not start a flame war again. But I have heard other people say that his rates are a bit steep, I dont think I am the only one. Do we have any thread here on Don, his services, and how he works?? does he have a money back guarantee or a free try out period? This is a honest curious question, not a slam Don routine.


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** there is nothing wrong with going only to termas, or trying only free lancers at help (I prefer hooker beach in front of Othon). I am just pointing out other options for those who look for variation, or for savings.

** Thanks to Thumper and others who came to my defense. It seems the waves are calming down now, maybe we can enjoy the girls ....

**Today is my lucky day. I have a guy coming over for a festinha now, and later I might be able to be customer number 2 of a total total non-pro. Customer number 1 was a guy I showed around, he met her through a friend of mine. So I have to stop and do more interesting things *gg*

ceenotes and others.

You guys are welcome to call me (daytime only), and I call an agency on the other phone line to have a girl sent to your place. Probably helps you to avoid

a) tourist surcharges

b) misunderstandings and miscommunications


Yes you will hear a festinha sales pitch! But if you say no, I just make your phone call and get you what you want to the address you want it to.

Well, if you are interested in this, you find my email address in another post (probably further up here), as people dont like me to post the email address.

Just got to add, Brasil Spec. has been above board and very helpful on the 3 times I have contacted him about Apt. rental, girls, etc. No hint a wanting a payment, no hard sell on his Apt (I need a 2 bdrm). Seems like a standup guy. His claims of long tenure at TSM are true, as I've been on that site for 3 years and read many of his posts. I'm sure as more guys come in contact with BS, his reputation will be established on this board.

I'm going to RIO 20Jan with a fellow monger. Anyone there at that time, join us, beers on me.
HL

BS:

First of all, Peace, Paz, I WAS coming to your defense, although trying to point out why you may have rubbed some people the wrong way on this board. Hell, I've been guilty of that too, and anyways webforums are always a difficult medium to communicate in - it's very easy to be misconstrued. Thanks for clearing up the points I mentioned, though. It's certainly funny how web handles can haunt us - my usual handle is "Saci" (sou colorado fanatico) - some cyber-friends of mine STILL think I'm a one-legged black guy. ;-)

As for citizenship (and way off-topic), I believe that you can get dual citizenship with no real problems. Officially, if you get brazilian citizenship, you have to renounce your American citizenship, but in practice, neither Itamaraty nor the PF inform the U.S. government, they rely on you to do it. So just don't tell the State Department and happily run around with two passports. Very, very useful. On the other hand, having to deal with the whole alphabet soup of Brazilain ID cards and regulations is a real pain-in-the-ass, may not be worth getting a citizenship. Residencia Permanente is just as good.

Abracao,

Semente do Mal

BS-- Any chance you can post photos of the cheap girls ?

I highly doubt BS is going to post pics of his girls, because of the fact that they are semi-pros. Its one thing if the girl works hooker beach, Miea Pataca, Help, than she can expect her pic to be floating all over the internet. But if the girl has a normal job or goes to college, its very disrespectfull to post her pic on the internet and label her a prostitute.

I know a number of girls who work at Rio Sul who "date" tourists once or twice a month in order to have money for school or whatever, and they would be mortified to have their pic on the internet. They don't want anyone to know what they do after they get off of work. Its amazing the number of college students or everyday working girls who are on the programma!

Perfect example: The nice mulatta that BS hooked me up with, I have gotten together with her everytime I have gone to Rio for the past 3 years. She is awesome in bed, pretty, 22 years old. She works at a telephone company 7 days a week, 6 hours a day. NOBODY in her family knows that she is on the programma, she doesn’t need to work Help or hooker beach. She only does one or two dates a month in order to get by. 200-400 Reals a month can make a MAJOR difference in a girl’s life in Rio.

Thumper,

I can never find semi pro's at Rio sul.
I think I'm going to bring my pro there in order to give some signal across.
What do you think?

CN

One more thing,

So are all the girls on these web service as
ciaplus, hotline, etc. are semi pros?

CN

Thumper-how hard is it to get hooked-up with a semi-pro, and what is the quality really like? I'd prefer to meet a "college student or everyday working girl" as you say and make an investment, rather than mindlessly fucking Help garotas. If B.S. can deliver on introductions to non-mainstream local girls who are not yet corrupted, I'll defend him to the end.

girls at ciaplus work full time living in the agency

hotline maybe freelancers, but usually are not occasional free lancers.

escortgirl.com.br has all kinds of girls, some might be not totally regular hard core girls.

You might run across a semi pro at Cicciolina or Help or hooker beach, but not easily

Normally it requires real personal knowledge. Special hard to find madams like Claudia, Olga. Some girls introduce me to their friends. And often I get cheated, get a so called first timer newbie who turns out to be known all over Copacabana.

Real beginners are hard to find.

Oh I forgot: in cheap parlors. The girl saw the ad, works for 1-2 days, then stops. if you met her during these 1-2 days, and got the phone, you might have gotten yourself a newbie.

I even picked up one who came for an interview. I invited her for a programa on the premises, paid my R$ 20 (she never received her R$ 10 share because she never returned) and slipped her my phone number. Later she was at my apartment.


Thumper, if you have any more contacts, let me know. Ceenotes, the semi pros at Rio Sul will not tell you. They will be working for some private madam and nobody else will even imagine!!!


Maverick. The most unocorrupted girls might not even want to be introduced. I know a few whose one and only customer was me. They needed money one time, or just did it for the kicks and the curiousity. A few others rarely have customers. Like 3-4 in their life time.

I know others who just go to school and have a few customers per week. There are all kinds of girls. It involves real work to find them.

Brazil S,

If I do call ciaplus or Cassiascort, what is the average time for the girl to make it to my apartment?

first problem:
they might want to confirm your phone number. If you dont have a landline phone, some will refuse to send the girl (barravips), some grudgingly will send the girl anyway. I think ciaplus will.

If you do have a landline phone, it might take 5 minutes for verification. Once that is over, if the girls are in the house, it takes anything from 15 to 40 minutes, I would say.

Finding out who is on the programma at Rio Sul is almost impossible, I found out because I was introduced to a girl who worked there by her cousin. I hit it off really well with her and she introduced me to a number of girls who work in different stores. As far as quality goes, check out the store Gang in the mall, there was a time when I knew 3 girls who "worked" on the outside. They were definately top-tier girls.

I knew one girl who worked reception at the Copacabanna Palace Hotel,(she no longer works at that hotel) anyone who has ever been inside, knows their girls look like beauty queen contestants. Every Saturday she worked at Help, she went out with a friend of mine, thats how I met her. Why did she do it? Because her "glamorous" job at the Palace only paid her 400R a month and she wanted to go to college and computer school. The money she made at work barely covered her rent and food, she didn't have money for anything else.

thumper, if you know such girls, I would love to get introduced.

I am not keen to only guide other people.

I am very glad to profit from other people's experience. I like girls young, hard bodies, no babies. If these girls meet those prerequisites, and even have some intelligence and education to top it, and you already tested their bed qualities, please let me know all!!!!!

BS I will see what I can do, but I have to warn you, there are two big obstacles in the way.

1) Our tastes in girls differ greatly, I love the brown skin, big round booty girls. I notice you lean toward the "white" brasilians with fake boobs. What I might consider to be a 10 might be a 6 to you.

2) These girls are VERY private, they are content to have only 3 or 4 "friends". They aren't too eager to meet new guys, they might make an exception because you live in Rio, but I highly doubt it. If they wanted to have a whole rolodex of customers they would work Help or Hooker beach.

I've been reading this entire thread with some amazement...i'm an unknown to most if not all on this board...maybe some of the redsnake posters remember the handle. Anyway, I've read BS's posts on a variety of threads here and am curious why the torches are out. Yes some of the posts are a bit self serving...but also have some great info. None of which seems to be wrong...or BS. Now some of the flammers have also posted a lot of great info and seem much more current and active than I am on the South american boards.

I've used Bobby for hotel reservations for years and he's always been great...and I always grab a driver for the R$45 from the airport. Usually I'll get a quick update on the way. I've never felt the need for a "guide" but certainly wouldn't argue with someone who does want one. Anyway I'll be going to Rio later this month and will e-mail BS. I'm not into festiva's but I'll always buy a fellow monger a beer or two. I due happen to think his info has some real value...I remember how I felt after 40+ trips to TJ, I was wandering the back alleys at 2am looking for something "new".

Anyway, this is certainly not ment as a flame either way. If Brazil Specialist is looking to promote some business I don't see a problem...I dont see Don or anyone else posting info here for free. As long as he's posting good info and treating folks fairly why not...if he's a scammer then 'm sure will see that posted somewhere.

Hotluck, I'll arriving on the 20th also...i'm coming from BA so I'll be getting in later in the evening. I'm not sure where I'm staying in Rio till Monday...Bobby had a special on a suite at an apartment hotel near MC...otherwise I'll probably stay at the Debret. You can email me at azhacker45@yahoo.com. Planning a 4x4 run for tuesday afternoon if your up for it.

Thumper, It's seem that you know some of my places also like (GANG JEANS) they have some really fine ass girls that work in there. There was a tall blonde (dye) that work in there a few months ago that also work at a gym part-time as well, I went to the bedroom disco with her very nice girl, also there was a club inside of RIO SUL MALL we went to I think it close down now.

I love those GANG jeans they make some tight ass jeans that fit really tight around the hips showing off that ass really good, they can make EVEN A FLAT ASS girl here in the states look good in them.

I am like you Thumper give me a NICE ROUND ASS girl with a nice rich dark tan on her brown skin showing off her tan lines I am happy.

Thumper, what I like to do is find the hottest girl that works in GANG jeans in have her try on different jeans telling her I have a sister her HT. size etc. and I need her to try on the jeans for me, it's works everytime.

Sometime I offer to take them to lunch in the food court for being so nice I even say you can bring a girlfriend with you by taking two of them makes it easy so one don't feel or look like a whore in front of their friends later after lunch I get the one I best hit it off with to write down their phone number, so we can hook up after she gets off work.

By the way they have a GANG Jeans store in FLA. they have some hot girls working in them too, I try the same line on them works everytime.

KidCisco

thumper
my taste are young girls not far from 18 with hard bodies and no babies. NO need for them being white. I like the boobs to be nice, perky, hard, not flabby.

I happen to post white girls on tsm, as mainly those can be found on expensive escort sites ....

email me about your recommendations. I would love to meet a few girls just to see if we hit off, no obligations. Someone can introduce me to a few???

Yeak Kidcisco, Gang is the one of the best stores in the mall. All the stores normally hire good looking women, but Gang usually hires the cream of the crop!! I'll tell you about another store in Rio Sul where I have met and dated 2 girls, Hugo Boss.

I was in there looking at a suit ($500 cheaper than one I saw in Manhattan 5 days earlier) I was in there joking and talking for about 45 miutes while I tried on the suit, when another tourist walked in with what was an obvious prostitute. She looked like she had just walked out of Help, no question what her profession was.

The Hugo Boss employee was professional and helped the guy for about 5 minutes, until they left. When I came out of the dressing room, she asked me "Why do American men come down to Rio and waste their time with prostitutes when there are so many good looking women around?" I told her its because alot of them don't have the language skills to talk to regular girls, so its easier to communicate with the prositutes. She made it very obvious that she was interested, so I made a date to take her out to this club called W. Had sex that night, she could definately been a top terma girl!!

Nowadays there are so many American guys running around Rio Sul that I have stayed away from trying to pickup normal girls there. I head out to Barra where they rarely see tourists, we are more of a novelty out there.

For all my monger buddies who love the blonde haired, blue eyed brasilians, head to Tommy Hilfiger in Rio Sul. You will find more than you know what to do with!!

Thumper, everything you said, is so true each store seem to have a certain type they like to hire.

Also try out fashion mall down at the other end they have some really nice looking girls at that mall also I had good luck at that one as well.

KidCisco

I'm a bit confused. When Rio sul is discussed here, you guys are referring to the mall, right? Or is there a part of Rio called Rio Sul?

Yes It is called Rio Zona Sul:Leme,Copa,Ipanema,Leblon.

I recently checked out the following places: Rua Ouvidor 130; apartment 404 had 5 girls working--two doable, but worth the trip. Apartment 911 had two skanks and the place was filty. Apartment 707 was the nicest of the bunch and my favorite. 2 doable blondes and a cute black girl were working. Cost at all places is 20 min for R$20 or 30 min for R$30. Bring a towel as they dont supply fresh linens. The Rua Ouvidor 130 brothels are open Monday through Saturday 9 am till midnight. This building is located just a few blocks from 4x4.

Rua Santa Luiza 405, apartment 507 (located oddly enough on the 4th floor) is a must see. I have been in several times and they always have 6 or 7 girls working. 3 or 4 will be quite cute. Price is R$30 for 1 girl, or R$50 for 2. Alternatively you can pay R$50 for 1 girl and get 2 pops with no time limit. This building is located a few blocks from the American Embassy.

Good job SOG, I might have to check out that place on Santa Luiza. I have been to Rua Ouvidor and it did have a couple of cuties in there.

I did 404 and 707 a few weeks ago and was thrilled with my blonde at 707. However, I did not see her clean up whatsoever after our session and she almost immediately went with another dude for another session. This sorta scared me. Does anyone about the girl's cleaning procedure at these places? Thanks.

I visited a little place in a very nice building at Rua Buenos Aires 271, it is apartment 308. This is the same street as 4 x 4 but many blocks further down the street (4 x 4 is... at 44). Watch the street numbers carefully because the entrance is actually on a side street so you have to turn the corner to enter the building.

The building was very nice, and had shops on the 1st and 2nd floors. The apartment was typical of these type places, but well lit and clean. 3 girls working, two were cute. Prices were $R1 per minute with a 10 minute minimum, and 10 minute increments. I paid for 30 min, showered and went to the room. BJ was covered, but I was pleased at least that she was being careful. Overall a good session for $R30, although in retrospect, I only needed 15 minutes so I should have only paid for 20.

By the way, there is Portuguese only spoken in most of these little brothels, so dont expect to use english. Although you could get them to write down the prices for you.

I am not on a tight budget but a sucker for great deals. Brazil Specialist have posted more valuable informations on this board about Rio than anybody I have read. I don't want people negative comments to piss off BS or anybody from posting valuable informations. If you got nothing good to say or contribute than click the mute icon.

Steelers -- Since you have only been a member for a month, maybe you should read more in the archives before summarily dissing other members of this board or telling them when and what to post.

For people who put down the BrasilSpecialists, I can tell you flat out that they do not know what they are talking about. Not one of them has said they have ever met BS or visited and partaken of his advise/help onsite. This is the fact of the matter. None of the criticism is from knowing anything first hand. It is all in their imagination. They can conjure up some negative image of the man simply by reading these posts. I want first hand criticism of real dealings with BS. Not your imagination. From all the positive responses of people who have really met BS you can get the real picture. The trouble makers are those who talk about things they know nothing about. Skepticism is fine but jumping to conclusions with nothing to back it up is not.

I havent read a negative comment about BS for several months. I actually have liked his recent posts. Vikingv, care to share what on earth you are ranting about? (BTW--for the record, I have met BS several times).

A positive comment about me, by you, GCL, and even so early in the morning? I am full of joy, how did I deserve such luck??


Vikingv must have been reading further up on this thread, fairly old posts. But Steeler indirectly supported the flamers. For some reasons the flamers are getting quieter, not sure why they finally are letting me live more peacefully.

Still, the flamers managed to get me kicked out of another board, where I am still absolutely unwelcome and where the anti BS indoctrination still continues unabated.

(start self aggrandizing statement) I think the members of that board are missing some very informative posts and a few nice pictures
(/end self aggrandizing statement)

Returning to more important matters (girls):

I easily can be convinced to do some tours of cheap termas. One monger asked me to take him to Vila Mimosa, I might go there today, as I have not been there in half a year. I did not have the courage to do any girls on my last 3 visits to VM

correction: I just re-read the posts above. I understood things a bit wrong. All the flames and near-flames in this thread are over 6 months old, and Steeler was actually someone who requested people NOT to scare off posters with flames.

Vikingv: This is the best post you can come up with as your first post on this board? Come on now! How about something useful?

Hold on, Laguy, we may have another Turk here.

People who defend BS (me) against flames, or have something positive to say about me get flamed by Laguy or SFHombre.

Things still have not quieted down.

Huh??

How about reviving this section? Do you have a favorite cheap P4P location? Please provide name, address, quality, etc.

Wisconsin,
You're the reigning expert, I believe! Spill the beans about your favorite spots. Next time I'm in Rio I'll hit one with you.
Bwana

Bwana

Yes, I have some expertise in this matter. I did more "investigations" in July and September.

I still like Termas. In my opinion, they are a lot of fun. But after 10 visits to Rio, I was bored with the regular Termas and wanted a change. The cheap and mid price places are better than most guys would ever imagine!

In July and September, I brought along some "new guys". I kept getting the same response, "I can't believe that these places were so good and so cheap! I can't believe I wasted so much money in the Termas!"

The mid-range places are now my area of interest. This includes the non-robe termas/boites north of Avenue Presidente Vargas (MV30, MF21, Rua Acre 61 (Antiquaris).

Also, I have started to explore the high end apartments (generally located in Centro office buildings). Prices in the 50+ range with really nice talent. Clean rooms, showers, good beds. These places are similar to the Buenos Aires apartments.

The best part the low and mid price places is that they get women that can not work in termas. These women tell their families that they are working in a Centro lojas (store) but are actually working in the P4P scene. I have found some great finds in these places. Beautiful young women who need to be home by 7pm. In addition, many are very new to the scene. Therefore, there is a constant supply of new women.

Note: This was posted by GCL on the discussion board so I don't take credit for it. (I thought maybe it might be useful info)

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Terma 502, Rua Alfandega 65
Buenos Bar 85, Rua Buenos Aires 85

81, (on Side Street between Buenos Aires and Rosario I think)

Apartments: Rio Branco 156, apartments 1706, 2230, 2228; Rua Mexico 148 apartment 710 (maybe 701...glass door, you cant miss it); Rio Branco 185 2114.

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All I know if you peruse the brazilian boards, you've got 4x4 & 65 mentioned at the top, then these places, and tourist-termas come after. A place like Centaurus is almost at the bottom.

My feeling is all these places are all downtown, so they are worth at least exploring in the afternoon. If nothing is worth doing, you are within walking distance of 4x4 or 65 anyway.

As a caveat, if you can't speak some basic portuguese then they probably won't be an option.

I prefer to explore the " casas de fast foda" before noon. By afternoon these girls have been worked over pretty good, often by guys like GCL. Hell, I've heard a rumor that Hemp comes in sometimes for a nooner. So I'll stick to the morning hours, thank you!

I decided to pay one of these places a visit for the hell of it -- Rio Branco 156, apartments 1706/1707.

If you walk out 4x4, make a right, and then make a left walk down several blocks and it is in a huge shopping/office type building. You have to go inside the shopping type center and find the correct elevator (there are several). I believe right around 4x4 is Rio Branco 89, so it is quite a few blocks.

Basically, you walk down the hall of other offices. There is no indication that there is a sex brothel located there. And I was a bit hesistant going there, until I recognized the face of guy who I had just seen at Termas 85.

I rang the bell and was politely greeted with a garota wearing lingerie. There is a small waiting room inside where you sit and each garota comes out to introduce herself. After about 10 garotas came out, the greeter asked me which one I liked and mentioned the prices -- 65/hr for one or 120/hr for 2 garotas. Less than $60 to take 2 girls put an instant smile on my face.
Keep in mind these girls were not at all attractive, not a single "gem". Pretty beat-up faces and sloppy bodies. I could not bring myself to do it, knowing only a few blocks away in 4x4, 65 and Cancun could be a girl that I would for certain find "very attractive". And paying the premium wasn't an issue.

I did proceed to go up to 22nd Floor to check out the other one, when the senses occurred to me that I was pretty much going to see the same thing. I high tailed it out there and went over to 65 where I was in a boate with 20 garotas and only 2 other guys. I was feeling a lot happier in that setting.

Still to get a double blowjob for less than $60 might have me going back there.

These places are hit and miss, as I think we all know. For example, there is a similarly priced place in Sao Paulo (actually probably a couple of hundred) that in the past had some of the skankiest looking girls I've seen with an occassional one that was passable. The prices were raised with the new year to R$30 per half hour and R$50 per hour (there also is the R$20 for 20 minutes rate as well).

I checked it out recently and found a real gem. It turns out to now be one of the only places in my mongering history where I wanted to keep going back again and again for the same girl. I'm afraid though the next time I'm in Sao Paulo and go there, perhaps in a couple of months or so, it may be back to all skanks, but who knows.

I have been inside of two of these type of places in Rio. I'm not sure of their exact address but I do remember that both of these places were in a building near that park where people gather to play chess in Copacabana. Both places were on the same floor practically right next to each other. And this place was a definite "HIT!". I saw some 8's and 9's in there. Both places have seating rooms where all of the availabe ladies to introduce themselves. I was so mad because I had already booked an appointment with an independent and couldn't get out of it. Well I could of but this stunner was hard to get with so I had to make the most of it. These places are very nice but very small. And they are pretty good for booking some good allnighters. They show all the prices right in the front offices of these places. Definitely worth checking out my fellow mongers.

I plan to go to Rio in three weeks. I will ask my friend who lives there and told me of these places to give me their names and will post them on here for everyone to check out. If you haven't already.

Laters,
C20

Cold 20, you went to Av. N. S. Copacaban 583 suites 203 and 204. Both are interesting, depending on the taste

Cincoleche, a few instructions to improve your experience

a) the one and only stunner in a massage parlor is where? Guess? In the back room! romping! so you have to come early, ask around, stick around and wait.

b) you have to go to a lots of places. I have a dozen of them on a list, and I heard rumors that one single building, edificio central has 23 of them. Who wants to join me for research??

Cincoleche was talking about the mid priced nice middle class massage parlors. Here is a typical price list

http://www.riobabilonia.com/massagemtijuca/
see prices
Preços
Uma Massagista (30min) = R$ 50,00
Uma Massagista (1hora) = R$ 80,00
Duas Massagistas (30min) = R$ 75,00
Duas Massagistas (1hora) = R$ 120,00
Atendimento externo
Uma Massagista (1hora) = R$ 120,00
Uma Massagista (2hora) = R$ 170,00

Cheap brothel update May 2007 Copacabana

As I mentioned before, Serzedelo Correia and Hilario de Gouveia brothels were closed months ago. One of the owners took over Clube 22, Siqueira Campos 22, enter at grey awning up a narrow flight of stairs on Serzedelo Correia.Phone 2236 3541. Has drinks, snooker, lots of girls and seems to open 2 pm or so. Starts at about R$ 50 or 60, has real rooms with walls and real beds, though the mattresses deserve some improvement.



As always, there are Av. N. S. Copacabana 583, apt. 203 to the left and 204 at the very end of the corredor to the right (sorry if I often mix up the numbers). The one at the left has 2 slim young cuties (plus lots of other girls). One is really cute like a button, hard tits and all, but a bit cold. Well, check yourself, they always change. Starting price R$ 50 for 20 minutes, usually they offer gringos only the R$ 70 for half hour deal, unless if you insist. Oh, they add a R$ for condom, which is waived if you have your own. They open early, I think well before noon. The other one opens probably after 2 pm or so.

So at about 3 pm, all 3 venues are in full swing, all three are near Siqueira Campos. After you are finished with that, go to eat at Siqueira Grill. Print their 15% discount coupon:

http://www.siqueiragrill.com.br/promo.htm
Rua Siqueira Campos, 16-b
Copacabana - RJ
(0xx21) 2255-3446
(0xx21) 2255-8857

Or splurge on the all you can eat Pizza plus buffet for about R$ 23 deal after 6pm deal, at the restaurant next to it, further from the Ocean.


There probably are more places, but they need research. For the courageous, with good portuguese, and with knowledge to understand the lingo that characterizes Transvestite ads ("almost a woman", "boneca") can try following the ads. You might convince me to help out or join the research if you contact me while in Rio. Warning once more: there are transvestite ads mixed in there that even an unitiated innocent Brazilian would not recognize. Beware!

Buy "O Dia" newspaper, or check out on the internet
http://odia.terra.com.br/classificados/
from here follow "casa" "termas e massagens" and chose the day

http://odia.terra.com.br/classificados/anuncios/e_sexta_54500.htm
which might be valid only for today


Convince me to write a downtown brothel update. Join me for a research trip!

But most addresses still are valid downtown, especially the entire buildings like Rua da Carioca 59 (?), Uruguaiana 24, Buenos Aires 85 and 105(?)(you may skip the second one, really cheap), Travessa do Ouvidor (someone fill in the number), all within 3 block distances, all open from about 10 am onward.

Walking out from Rua da Carioca 59 (?), diagonally across the street to the right side, watch for a red light entrance to a stair, saying "Casarão".

Rua da Carioca 59? Isn't that right near Bar Luis?

Rua Carioca 59 is a bit past Bar Luis on the same side of the street (walking down Rua Carioca from the direction of the metro station). Definitely downscale, along the lines of VM although perhaps a tad cleaner, but occasionally there will be a diamond in the rough in one of their five or six brothel apartments.

I should add I haven't been there in two or three years, but doubt it has changed much.

(Message edited by LAguy on August 17, 2007)

Is that the place that looks like a porn theater? Or is it further down?

It is further down. From the outside it doesn't look like anything other than a run down building.

It is further down. From the outside it doesn't look like anything other than a run down building.

Sorry about the duplicate posts. Guess I hit the button twice.

By the way, I did a trip report/Rio guide a few years back where I described an experience, although one I wouldn't recommend, at the place that looks like a porn theater on Rua Carioca and also mentioned Rua Carioca 59; you may want to check it out for more information.

Are these apartments still valid. Are there any new ones???