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	Archive 01	50		2002/05/23, 03:50 pm
	Archive 02	50		2002/06/07, 10:38 pm

Well... The birthday events were a blast.

I ended up doing 3 at 4x4. Then dinner at Marius, then had Monica from La Ciccolina for the night.

A great day overall, except I got busted by the wife. I invited her to dinner, but she couldn't go because she had to work. (Duh, I knew that). Well, long story short, she took the night off to be with me for my b-day but couldn't find me. I was knee deep in pussy heavan at 4x4. I really felt horrible because she called a few times (Three missed calls on the cell, all her) and when I spoke with her later she said she "knew" I was at a terma and was really pissed. Oh well.

We'll see what happens today. We're supposed to go to a regualar dance club tonight with her and her sister, and Don's sister. More to come..

I leave in 48 hours.

Dood

I~ve yet to see a better selection of "regular" girls then I saw last night at "the bedroom". A regular dance club just outside of ipa near barra. I was almost in tears these women were so beautiful. It's officially a must see when you come to Rio.

Dood
Can you give directions to the Bedroom club? Also were garotas gringos friendly? And best time to check ladies?

I really wish I could give directions, but the cab driver knew where it was. I can ask and get them for you. It~s about a 15 min cab ride from Copa. I got plenty of smiles and did some dancing, but I was seriously intimidated. this was the first "real" place I've been in rio where I couldn't just point to the girl I want and leave. The women were truly truly stunning.

I have no idea if they're "gringo" friendly. Everyone thinks I~m brazillian and it~s driving this half italian half jewish boy from NY nuts.

I~m spending the remainder of my final day at Monte Carlo, my flight leaves in 4.5 hours

Dood:

What is "La Ciccolina"?

Dood
Have a good last run...

It looks like Dood will be busy for a little while so I'll field this one. La Ciccolina is a strip club located in the Lido section of Copacabana. It's in between Barbarella's and Frank's and it's on the smallish side. The girls are available to take out, but I've never had very good luck there. The quality of the girls never seemed to be up to their premium pricing. Just my opinion...It's certainly worth a visit.BTW the club is named after a famous Italian porno star turned politician who was married to the American artist Jeff Koons.

"Wild On..." on the E channel has done a couple of "Wild on Rio"s. One was 4 or 5 years ago, and the other was done a couple of years ago. The latter one had a segment on The Bedroom. The women were better than what we see at the termas.

Artist:

Thanks much for the scoop on Ciccolina.

My first trip to Rio is coming up the first week of August. I'll have 6 days on the ground. Based on my research on this board, seems like I should concentrate on Thermas. May supplement this diet with an occasional agency or beach encounter.

I'm dying, waiting for the days to pass before I get on the plane. From what I've read, I'll start the whole "dying of waiting to go to Rio" process again the minute I get on the plane to return home!

Thanks again to you and the other board members for the wealth of information on the Rio experience,

Ixtoc

Ixtoc
My advice during low season is to go to one or two termas a day. Then nightcap at Barbarella or Help. And maybe an escort here and there early afternoon. I had a big dropoff between terma and club garotas in May trip but maybe it was just me. Sex at a terma is better than any sex I have ever experienced but than again I have not been to Bangkok or Buenos Aires.

ixtoc,

hang in there....only six weeks left. i had to wait 6 months to be able to go to rio once the bug had bitten me. it was the longest, most drawn out period of my life. and my life is pretty damn good.....aahhhh but worth the wait. just follow the advice of the vets, and you will never be the same. you might want to start looking into a return trip in jan/feb, for when rio really starts jumpin. enjoy.

ixtoc - I totally agree with everyone else's comments but everyone is different. I, of course I'm the biggest termas lover of them all (or at least hope to win the championship at the upcoming world championship ) but I'd recommend sampling/checking out as many options as you can. I would make sampling the termas (daytime priority) and Help/(some Lido clubs - night time priority) a required priority for your trip. But the escorts, beach girls, mall girls, etc are good stuff. Enjoy.

Thanks for sharing the wisdom guys. Can't wait to take advantage of it.

Seems like all agree the termas are a priority. From what I've read, I think I;ll skip Centaurus (expensive & some sub-par service reports) and put 4x4, Rio Antigo, L'uomo and Solarium on the must see list. Are there any others you think I should consider?

Must admit I'm also looking forward to getting a beautiful, willing to please garota in my room for some long time sessions. I guess that's where Help & Barbarella's are best. Although from the talent I've seen on the BarraVIPS, CompanyGirl and CIAplus web sites, I'm tempted to order in.

Only 52 more days!

Ixtoc

Many people really like the agencies and I must admit they have their place...when nothing else is available. There are such times, but they are rare.One stratagy I have found helpful is to get the phone number of every girl you do that you enjoy. In short order you will have your own list of girls to use in those times.The Lido girls in particular can be available for afternoon or early evening appointments since they go to work late.
My main problem I have with the agencies is the inability to interact with the girl first. Many of them just seem to be incapable of resisting the bait and switch. I put up with agencies in
the states because it is neccessay ,but Brazil is a different story. Adjust to conditions.

Typically most garotas value repeat business and will be glad to give their number. So you can easily bypass Lido bar fines, have quiet dinners. For terma garotas, it is harder as they work a full schedule so they are available after work or on weekend. Agencies are good for quickies, so no interview process, odds are in your favor as agency garotas are not hardened like some Help\Barbarella garotas. But if bait and switch occurs, give them 20R for taxi and move on.

The real is currently trading at 8 month lows - investors are losing confidence - good for those of us horndogs - am heading there at end of august for 8 days and 7 nights - shit, the anticipation is killing me - and your pictures are driving me even crazier - ;)

Ixtoc: Monte Carlo, and Aueroporto are two other termas. If you do like a girl in a terma, find out if she has an off day, and if she's like to hang out with ya.

Garotas in termas will give you their numbers if they like you,but it is best to be discrete since the house discourages such practices (for obvious reasons). Just another good reason to carry a small kit with you to the cabina. I alway include a small notebook for numbers.Try out the termas downtown (4x4 and Club 65... highly recommended) They are not open on he weekends so these girls are all off work Sat. and Sun.

I got the name & number of one from Centarus last year. I have now visited Rio 2 times since then, and she spends the time with me at no cost. I also met her in Lima earlier this year for one week. All these outside visits a no cost. Of course, she may be coming to the states now. That could get expensive. Of course, I volunterred for that expense.

I've read that a thing to do is to take your namorada to the Equator (e.g. Macapa) and screw with one leg in each hemisphere.

Another possibility is to have her stand on the equator, and then do from the front side, or the back saide.

Of course, then you could ask which is the top side?

It at least would give you a reference point.

The other thing, would be be fxxxing up or down?

Miami to Salvador da Bahia non-stop

Staring on July 3rd, Varig Airlines will fly non stop from Miami to Salvador, Bahia. Southbound flight departs every Wednesday at 840pm. Northbound flight departs Salvador every Tuesday at 1055am. Now you can enjoy the northeast of Brazil without going to Rio or Sao Paulo.

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looks like we have another small group in Rio for the 4th...

Auriverdes just won 5th world cup title. How is Rio celebrating and how are the garotas. Do they have any specials at Termas??? I am happy for the garotas who were frankly worried before tournament. Sorry Argentina, your arch enemy prevailed again.

apparently they had a big screen on the beach in copa, and garotas were watching in bathing suits, drinking and partying from night before. had to be a scene to remember.

They are still dancing samba on the beach. From what I have read, from the Amazonia, El Salvador, Sao Paulo, dnd of course Rio all day celebration. All latin countries are jumping for joy except Argentina. Damn even the mexicans are celebrating world cup victory in Guadalajara.
Not sure if Solarium and Luomo will open for business today. Let's wait to hear from BluesTraveller and Layne87...

From NY Times, rio not all fun obviously.

RIO DE JANEIRO, June 27 — Gang leaders had taken control of the weekend funk dances in the neighborhood, selling drugs openly and forcing young girls to have sex with them. The police had been alerted but had done nothing, so the residents of the slum known as the Favela da Grota turned, like so many others here before them, to the crusading crime reporter Tim Lopes.
Mr. Lopes was last seen on the night of June 2, on his way to one of the raucous dances. The charred remains of the camera he was carrying have been found, but Mr. Lopes never returned, and two gunmen for the drug lord who controls the neighborhood have horrified the city by boasting to reporters and police officers that he was kidnapped and killed on orders of their boss.

Press and rights groups here and abroad have condemned the killing, with the Inter-American Press Association warning that "criminals and organized crime are defining the limits of freedom of expression" here. But for Rio's 5.8 million residents, the death of one of the city's best-known reporters is the most chilling demonstration yet that hillside shantytowns here have become gang fiefs.

"We are seeing the emergence of a new form of criminal organization, one that actually controls and governs a geographically defined territory," said Walter Maierovitch, Brazil's former anti-drug czar. "These gangs have become a challenge to the state, parallel governments that threaten Brazil's democracy and the rule of law."

Mr. Lopes, 50, specialized in undercover investigations, often using a miniature camera and microphone hidden on his body. He dressed up as Santa Claus for one investigative report, spent two months as a drug rehab patient to obtain another, and last year won Brazil's equivalent of the Pulitzer Prize for a vivid account of open-air drug markets in Rio's favelas, as the city's 513 squatter settlements are called in Portuguese.

It was that report that led residents of the Favela da Grota to place their confidence in Mr. Lopes, himself born in a slum here, instead of the police, who are widely viewed as corrupt and incompetent. The slum dwellers hoped that their plight would be publicized on "Fantástico," a popular Sunday night television program that is a cross between "60 Minutes" and "Inside Edition."

The police now say that Mr. Lopes was executed by Elias Pereira da Silva, a powerful drug lord known in local tabloids as "Elias the Madman. The two garrulous gang members, who are in police custody, said that they saw the reporter being shot in the feet to prevent him from fleeing. Then, they said, he was tortured and cut to pieces with a samurai sword, after which his body was burned.

Mr. da Silva, a main leader of a powerful crime group known as the Red Command, was accused of killing four police officers in 1993 and in 1996 was jailed on drug charges. But he was released two years ago after police officers failed to show up to testify against him in court hearings, enabling his lawyers to file a successful habeas corpus petition.

Since then, Mr. da Silva, 35, and other gang leaders have become even more powerful, enforcing their will through intimidation and violence. "They are the law, the only law, and you have to obey them whether you like it or not," said Clarissa Fonseca de Bastos, a street vendor who lives in a favela known as the Morro da Formiga, or Anthill.

In some neighborhoods, residents say, drug lords now determine when stores and schools open and close, who can enter or leave and where and how houses can be built. Their authority is most pronounced in the favelas, which are home to more than a million of Rio's residents, but it is also beginning to extend to middle-class neighborhoods.

A European journalist living here, for example, was recently approached by subordinates of the drug dealer who controls a nearby favela. They said "the boss" had ordered her to trim a 100-year-old tree that was blocking his view of an approach road used by the police.

The reporter refused, not wanting to put her home in the line of fire. But after a burst of gunfire just outside her house that day, she told the gang members that they could trim the tree themselves if they desired.

Better armed than the police and increasingly bold, gangs have even begun to attack government offices. The windows of City Hall were shot out this week. Last month grenades were thrown and machine guns fired at the state Secretariat of Human Rights while senior officials met inside; in another gang assault, the secretary of economic development and five other people were taken hostage at their office.

"From here on in," read a note signed by the Red Command and left behind at the human rights office, "any arbitrary action against our jailed brethren will be answered in kind with bullets."

In another recent incident, a midafternoon shootout between the Red Command and its main rival, the Third Command, forced the closing of one of the city's main tunnels, which comes out near the state governor's residence. AT NIGHT, GANGS ROUTINELY BLOCK TUNNELS OR SET UP CHECKPOINTS ON ISOLATED STREETS, UNHAMPERED BY THE POLICE, AND ROB OR KIDNAP UNWARY MOTORISTS(My caps).

Even more ominously, drug lords are increasingly acting as judge, jury and executioner, a development actually welcomed by some slum residents in the absence of the police. While searching for Mr. Lopes's body, a police team discovered a clandestine cemetery with the remains of an estimated 50 people sentenced to death, residents said, by gang "tribunals."

The new governor of the state of Rio de Janeiro, Benedita da Silva, has promised to put more officers on the streets. But shantytown residents say the main problem is not the number of officers but their unwillingness to confront criminal gangs.

"At the first burst of gunfire, the police always turn and run away," said Geraldo Lopes Bulhoes, a street sweeper who lives in a slum called Vidigal, adding, "We have no one to protect us, no one at all."

Hey guys...Yes Luomo was open yesterday..talent not so great...with the exit of Camila and Bia not working...this place still not so good...Left without seeing anyone last night..Solarium was open but not as many as a normal Sunday...

Absolutely CRAZY here yesterday...They have cannons going off all day and night before, during and after the game...These people are very proud for sure...I am so happy they won because they all think I am German...

Wait until later today or tomorrow when the Brazilian team gets back home. I think they are going to have a parade in Copacabana. That should make things interesting for those of you down there.

I dont know what happened last night but it seems the parade was taking too long to get through the city..thousands lined the street last night from centro to copa and they never showed in copa..I went home at 3 and dont know where they were at that time but many thousands still waiting to see the players...the thing that suprised me is there were thousands in copa at 3pm when we departed for 4x4...they never left...

Layne - Sounds like the parade turned out to be a bit of a disappointment. Other than that, how would you decribe the post-world cup excitement? BTW - where did you end up watching the final?

I'm staying right on Avenida Atlantica, and it was still going strong at 3 am. Cannons going off, and they were tracking the progress of the bus with the players on TV. The police were every where, which was a good thing because you could feel the impatience in the air.

BT

Watch out everyone.. I'm getting on a plane to Rio in 5 hours :-)

It was reported parade turned ugly on Copa, as players never made it there, deciding to make U turn around Botafogo. Can't blame the players, they were in Brasilia, arrived in Rio hours late, a few players were left to parade in Sao Paulo.
So people waited 11 hours for nothing.

Missed my damn flight!! AAARRGGHHH!!!! I got to the airport at 8:45pm for my 10pm flight and they wouldn't let me on. Seemed like the gods were against me from the start, both Metro train and Amtrack were running late.(Both are NEVER late) Only on the day that I supposed to go to the airport do both fucking schedules fall behind, can you say "Murphy's Law".

I get to Continental's gate and they tell me "Sorry, we are not allowing anymore passengers". I was ready to kill someone! I had traveled for almost 3 hours to get there and now I had to make the long journey home. I tried t upgrade using my miles, told them I was a Platinum member, but no luck. They had WAY oversold the flight and they were alot of people redeeming money and vouchers for another flight.

Luckily, they had a available seat on tomorrows flight, i think I am going to leave 5 hours early, just so I know I will make it this time. I was really excited to make it down today because I wanted to take advantage of the rate and also I wanted to make at least 2 trips to 4X4. (I leave on monday) Looks like I am going to have to squeeze 5 days of action into 4 days. I hope the rate remains stable. Its dropped 10 centavos in the past 3 days. If it hangs around 2.80, I should have a awesome trip.

Thumper,

Looking forward to seeing you down here. 4X4 has been exceptional since I have been down here. Great prices, incredible quality, and of course they have the largest selection in Rio.

All,

I was on the streets at 3am that night. People were a little unruly and there was an impatience in the air, but aside from some kids that were just out past their bedtime. It was cool.

Blues

Thumper: Any DBC (Denied Boarding Compensation) ? Also, along with photocopies of my passport, I carry Contracts of Carriage and old Rule 240 just in case.

God damn i love this place

hahah

yes.. that's all I have to say

agentx clued me into this link http://www.brazzil.com/ You brasila-philes need to check this one out.

I subscribe to the magazine which is published here in L.A....it's pretty informative, but doesn't really give much of a unique perspective to be honest...They removed a lot of their dating/ sex related ads after complaints from subscribers...Bah!