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Where is the 4-10 Club?

Look up the posts under DOCTORGOOD using keyword
search and you will find how to find the
fabled 4-10 bar. The quality of the girls have
gone down since my time there with the "goddess"
but I always check it out because you never know what you will find. You may be the guy who finds
the next "goddess" at the 4-10. The last time
I was there the bartender was also a working girl
and rated about a 7 but I passed because she was
not my type. I usually do not like blonds and go for the more Indian or pure Spanish look. I might have the exact address and if I can find it will post it later.

The 4-10 bar is on Otumba just north of Martinez within a block or so from the Sans Souci. I had
forgotten but a friend Dougie had the location in
his database. I usually take a compass when I go exploring looking for bars you can get turned around and lost especially in the old market a few
streets south of the Cathedral.

Doctorgood,

Please email me, I don't have an email address on file for you and need to contact you regarding your $50 check for the Hombre Awards.

I have a question!!!!

What's the name of the bar located on a corner. It's across the street from the "Techno-Club" labeled with a big "X".... I believe it's more north than all the other clubs...and if you are walking south on the street, the door will be on the left....

I know it has been there for several years because when I was in Juarez 3 years ago...i noticed it...but @ the time, it was full of nasty crossdressers...

If you look in, there's an open room with all the girls sitting on chairs, watching TV, etc...and in the back of the room...there are a bunch of doors leading to bedrooms.

It's the oddest place. I was wondering if this is were all the drugged out, diseased, and or crossdressers go to solicit sex? Someone I passed by in the street claimed that it was for that. There was a very tall, pretty faced gal who stood @ the door who kept telling me... "Wanna FUCK!" ... "$40" ..."Fucky"...
It was funny the way she was saying it...very serious and somewhat mean. I didn't do it though...i had bad vibes...

But PLEASE give me a heads up on what this place houses...freaks or something!?

~Cheers~

I hit the Juarez Zona last night for a few hours (8-11) and as usual was underwhelmed. Eduardo's Bar (strip club) across from Ano Nuevo was the first stop and had a good time there. 2 beers for 30 pesos, 15+ chicas in the bar, dancers were under 30, rather slender and attractive and danced with energy. One chica got 100% naked which was pretty awesome from the home of the 'strip to bikini' and nada mas. Others didn't follow suit, however. The chola look complete with tattoo collections was the only complaint I had about the talent here.

Ano Nuevo was dead, dead, dead. I had been there a couple weeks earlier on a slow Thursday night with a couple of really cool Juarez vets and we saw a couple of rather hot young girls. They must have wised up and moved on!

Sans Souci (former Casa Colorado) -- about a dozen chicas (none more than barely doable) and about the same number of American dudes. They apparently spend time in the known whorehouses, as there were plenty of them at Pink Ladies and Panama too. Another reason to stick to Monterrey... Got propositioned to go to the room from some 40+ year old chick I wouldn't have spent 10 bucks on while passed out drunk. Talent definitely was lacking here.

Pink Ladies: More than a dozen chicas, but the mean age was about 35, and my guess at the youngest would have been about 28. Some old skinny chick named Ruby that spoke excellent English was pretty friendly, but man, if I HAD to get laid in a Juarez bar, I'd have been in trouble picking ANYONE at a hooker bar.

Panama: Close to 20 chicks, but again, lacking in lookers. There were two in the bar I'd have gone with for 50 including the room, but I doubt I'd have been able to negotiate that, and it wouldn't have been a bargain.

Where are the YOUNG (And I'm talking under THIRTY!!!) chicas in Juarez? I didn't see them working in the Zona.

BTW, a few days earlier when I was walking through Centro I noticed a few cantinas with working women in them on the sides of the mercado. There were apparently street girls outside the dumpy motels in the Centro mercado too. They didn't look at ALL hot, but it was interesting to see them. I had luggage with me or I would have definitely stopped in for a beer to see what was up.

Porker,

I went to Juarez once and am not the least bit motivated to return. There used to be a club called Norma's or something like that (circa 1999), which had better looking girls. It was on the first leg of the Y main drag, on the right on a corner about a block or 2 down going away from the border.

Juarez pretty much sucks was the evaluation of my 2 night exploration. El Paso has a lot of jumpin US strip clubs (which I don't care for). The boys wouldn't be spending their pay there, if there was better action across the border.

Yes, Juarez's red light district is totally lame.

Hey Porker!!1 ya'll just now figuring out that Juarez sucks? Especially the Casa Colorado? It seems as if Ricardo, in response to the bad economy on both sides of the border continues to raise prices instead of the other way around. And true, the bulk of his business is the truck drivers the shuttle bring over, they are not stupid enough to pay his outrageous prices. That probably should answer your question as to where the under 30 chicas are. They can't make money, they don't stay. What's left is what you see. The ones that can't do any better anyplace else. Come to NL guys. The pussy's fresh, the drinks are cheap and there ain't no hassles. Beavis and I just concluded the first bi-monthly Hombres Reunion over the weekend at Marabu with great success! BTW Porky, did you happen to see that bitch I married there at the Casa? TO refresh your memory, go to the gallery and look at almabarra.jpg under my name in the postings. Just curious Amigo!

Leaving for Cd.J in a few hours for a 3 day weekend. May even take drive down to Cd. Chihuahua & check out Copper Canyon.
Any other regulars to the board gonna be in town feel like hooking up for a cold one & compare some notes.I'll be leaving around noon & be there around 5PM.
I'll give a post when I get back on MOnday.

Juarez is a shit hole. I know this, I've been there. I will be there again, this Monday afternoon. Is anything in the zona happening mid-day on a Monday? Any advice is welcome - except not to go :-)

I noticed a new massage parlor just off of Juarez ave. on my way out the other night. Its called Cleopatra and its not too far from the bridge. Don't know that prices, but if you are walking it would be the most convenient mp to reach. After you cross the bridge, walk up till you see Tacos Lucas on the right (about 4 blocks) at that cross street (don't remember the name) go left and its about 4 buildings down. It probably won't last long, because the club owners and cab drivers will invariably pressure the cops to bust it - the easy access will cut into their captured audience business. If your driving, just pick-up a Diario newspaper and check out the classifieds unders Massage parlors, they usually list about 8-10 each day.
Another option, if your there at night is to keep on walking until you get to Senior Frogs (about 4 more blocks up from Tacos Lucas) at that cross section take a left and you'll see the Marlboro cantina on you right. As soon as it gets dark there are usually 10 - 20 SG working this area. There's a hotel in the alley right beside Marlboro. A bunch of these chicas are amateurs trying to survive, others are hard core drug users, you can usually tell after talking w/ them for a while. I haven't gone w/any of them, cause I usually drive to a favorite mp, but the location is convenient if you are walking.
Good luck!

Cleopatras's been there for at least a few months that I'm aware. I first noticed it back in May.
I didn't bother to check it ou. I fugure anyplace that close to the Zone & the border would be a rip off.

Sheesh, does no one on this forum go to Juarez?

Granted, it's not your ultimate mongering destination, but I had two lovely girls on their knees today sucking my cock and later giving me sex for only $30.

I made it a contest, offering "numero uno" a $5 dollar tip, and they competed with a lot of gusto. At the end, I gave them both a $5 tip saying I had dos "numorero unos" on my hands.

Total cost for an unrushed hour GFE with two lovely girls: $40.

Beat that.

Anywhere in the world.

You have to dig a little deeper to find the treasure here, but once you do it can't be beat.

I will be in Juarez this evening (Saturday night). I most likely will only go to the Monte Carlo Bar/Strip club (which is about 4 blocks from the main bus station) have two beers and then go home. BUT, if the bug hits (and it usually does...) I might travel all the way down and hit Pink Ladies, Panama and Ano Nuevo.

It's really short notice, but if anyone wants to meet up, email me within the next three hours at porquer@yahoo.com.

Can someone tell me how to get to Pink Ladies?

Question about driving into Juarez. Do you need the Mexican Insurance or do the people of this forum just drive on through ?? Also, what about a motorcycle - would this be crazy?

Absolutely crazy.Stop in El Paso and get a taxi.A motorcycle is not crazy, its insane.

Elk Dreamer, are you out there?

What is the best bridge to cross from El Paso to Juarez?

Are there any safe, budget hotels near that bridge on the El Paso side?

Below is a coupon good for $15 off at Masaje Sirena's at Hermanos Escobar and Calle Panama. Their normal price is $45. I worked this out with them as I am developing a website and a book called "The Men's Guide to Juarez". I also have a larger site already on the net at www.juareztourguide.com. If you want to use it, just Save As on the image, then print out the coupon and take it with you. They will honor it. If not, please write me at info@juareztourguide.com and let me know.

There's a city map at the site visitajuarez.com
It's not the greatest, but it will help to locate the MPs, etc. Just click on one of the photos on the front page, and a list will appear on the right.

You can also get a good map of your own inside the Rio Grande Mall at the magazine stand.

http://www.juareztourguide.com/html/city_map.html

Thanks for pointing out the www.vistajuarez.com website, 2wheel. It's a very nice site. Hopefully one day mine will be as comprehensive.

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Here you go, guys!

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Sample Girl: MP Sirena

She's pretty hot on the table, too...




(Message edited by DreamingEagle on February 19, 2003)

Sample Girl - Masaje Marilyn

I'm never disappointed with this little cutie...

I've never seen any like that at Sirena's, mostly gordas. Maybe I'm going at the wrong time.
Where is Masaje Marylin?

Take Vincente Guerrero to Lopez Mateos and turn right on Mateos. About the 2nd or 3rd light is Del Ejido. Turn right. You come to a stop sign at Montes de Oca. Marilyn's is in a small green one story building on the very next corner on the left side of the street. The address is on the coupon.

I hope I'm not wearing the subject out, but many of you have expressed interest in the Men's Guide both here and in private correspondence.

Well, I have some serious questions to ask you.

Background: tonight I shelled out $500 for a quality black and white laser jet printer and toner carteridge. Then I came home and did a real cost analysis on what's involved in printing a 60 page book, with 1/2" binder, along with a complete map of the city (every monger really needs one), and the box it's going to have to get shipped in. (Bubble wrap envelopes might be an option but cost about the same.)

Here's the bottom line:

There is no way I can bring this book to you for less than $34.99, and it will be in black and white because color printing is astronomical when you factor in a $1200 color printer (minimum) which uses 4 toner cartridges which cost $100 each.

But, here's the bright side.

This gets you into the member's only web site, which *does* have color pictures of all of the exteriors and reviews of many locations. By the time you are on location with the black and white photo in the book you already know what to look for. At that point in time it's just there for the utilitarian purpose of helping you locate the establishment.

All the guide contains is the information you need to find the place: a photo of the exterior (more than one in some locations), address, telephone, etc., a map segment of the surrounding streets, and directions to get there. (Large area maps are published at the beginning of each area in the book so you always know how the location map segment fits into the big picture.)

Nor is the title of the book even "Juarez Men's Guide", but just "Guide to Juarez".

Here's my thinking. When you are actually there, all you want is "how to get there" information in a book which is not going to attract a lot of attention should the police peek at it or on the part of anyone else who sees it. You can get the in-depth stuff on the internet at the web site *before you go*. The book has a purely practical purpose.

Each location will have: map of the exterior, and directions. The whorebars are covered, of course, and so are 15 MPs. The Street Girls are not! They can be discussed on line on the web site. (Besides who needs directions to find them?)

The bulk of the MPs are divided into three areas: Area 1 contains 5; Area 2 containes 4; Area 3 contains 2; and the other 4 are off isolated by themselves and covered separately. There are a couple more MPs I'm not going to cover because they are just out of the way and not worth the trouble of finding them (IMHO). Perhaps later just in the interest of inclusivity.

Directions have to *begin* somewhere, so the categories for each location are: 1) from the Free Bridge (driving); 2) from the Villa Manport Hotel (Driving and Walking/Bus); 3) from Avenida Juarez (Walking/Bus); 3) from the last location in the Area in which the MP belongs (Driving and Walking/Bus), and 4) from the decoy destination used to shake a cab driver (walking), if a decoy destination is available.

That way you can find the place as an individual location, or just follow the area guide to hit 4-5 MPs pretty guick until you find the kind of girl you are looking for.

So my questions are many: 1) Does $34.99 sound reasonable for this kind of information; 2) if the black and white photos in the printed guide are big enough for you to recognize the building does it matter they are not in color; 3) do the direction categories make sense to those of you who know the city pretty well; and 4) do you like the idea of having a private web site exclusively about Juarez where we can further share information?

The only bars south of the gymnasium are on Mariscal street. I will list them in order as your walk on the right side of the street heading south. After you pass the Año Nuevo go one block, you will find the Centro Lagunero, lots of fat chicks. A few bars down will be the Montaña, a little bit better but more of a hit and miss place. Continue further and cross the street. When you pass the Pollito restuarant Las Palmeras will be the 3rd bar down. About the same quality as the Montaña. These bars will likely be disappointing but I recommend you don't avoid them. You will find some good stuff. I always start my evenings at the bottom of Mariscal ST.

As for safety, not to worry I have never had a promblem down there. After a while you will feel at home.

Thanks for the post, Rabidkang. I'd always been curious about those places but never ventured farther south than Año Nuevo.

There are a lot of people on the streets at night in downtown, from musicians to men and women trying to catch the bus, but everybody seems to mind their own business.

Centro Lagunero is poorly lit and has the feel of a small warehouse. it was so dark i almost tripped over a table walking in. Found a seat next to the small, elevated stage and watched a string of heavyset single moms wearing bikinis stomp to loud norteño music. It wasn't much of a show, but beer is cheap ($2.50 and 2X1 most nights) and eventually a few more attractive women walked in. One of them was Brisa, a slim, short-haired beauty in her early 20s with a sparkling green two-piece outfit. i was watching the last of her numbers when someone nibbled on my ear. It was a bleach blonde named Lorena. She sat next to me and led my hand to her thigh far enough to entice me into buying her a $5 drink at the tables near the wall. It's safe to say in this place you don't have to worry about bouncers, as she practically breastfed her customer and nobody cared. Her skin was fresh washed and she didn't mind the touching, but like all good pros she kept calling for drinks. We talked about a private show at a hostel down the street. She was about a 7.5 or 8 on the looks scale. But I guess she figured me for a tourist and wouldn't come down from 50. And that's the thing about venturing to places mostly meant for locals - a few people, once they figure you from the U.S., try to make you their meal ticket. Still, I'd go back.

So there I was sitting in my underwear surfing the net looking at the clock. Oh shit, I need to get ready to go hook up with zootv for his monthly tour and all of a sudden Laura logs on to the yahoo messenger and says, "hola".

We chat for a bit and invite her to the Pink Ladies and she accepts. I throw on my "uniform" and boogie out the door.

I hook up with zootv and tell him Laura is coming with us and he agrees. We wait for longer than we should have (after all, it is his dime). We ran into Yessenia from Queens Place on the street and as she walked away after saying hi and kiss, kiss we watched her wiggle her ass up the avenida. And so did everybody else.

We spoke to Jerry, a taxista and he walked away and this other taxista approached us and this is what he said, “What, don’t you want a fucking ride from that guy”? I responded, “No, I have my own fucking ride”. Humorously of course. He took offense to my response which tells me his comment was meant as disrespect as he did not like mine. I told him that I give tours and he says I need a license. Fuck him. We waited long enough for Laura. As soon as we gave up and headed off to go to my ride, Laura turns the corner. Let the party begin.

So we head off to the Pink Ladies expecting to see one particular hottie but she was a no show. Everything else was slim pickin’s, no pun intended. I lowered my expectations a notch and didn’t still didn’t see anything that made Mug Jr. twitch. Some guys at the table next to us started eyeballing Laura and at first I took offense to it but I realized I shouldn’t be offended. What healthy male wouldn’t eyeball a fine woman in a brothel? They later apologized but there was no need as I already understood. Nice guys though.

We later headed off to el centro. We didn’t hit to many places, just the Año Nuevo and the Hollywood. Laura gets a kick out of how I call it the Ano Nuevo. (refer to our English/Spanish dictionary) Rancho Grande is up for sale and the “new” Faustos is already being renovated. We popped our head into Queens but it was dead. They are putting up some effort though, they are advertising for new girls. Lets wish them luck, I’d hate to see that place die off.

I know I have posted about this before but this reinforces a previous post about creating a zona in Juarez. The latest rumor is presentation. A bar is going to have to meet certain standards so far as appearance or shut down. I hope this doesn’t happen, some of us like the atmosphere of dingy little dives. All in all, its just an effort to improve appearances for the sake of tourism.

Mugroso