Saw this writeup in Diario del Frontiera yesterday. Unless I'm mistaken, the last line seems to say they're going to prohibit privados? If they are enacting such a law, the real question will be is anyone going to enforce it?

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Regularizarán table dance en Nogales

Lizeth Valenzuela

Con la aprobación de cabildo de reglamentar los table dance se dará inicio a un programa de regularización mediante el cual se hará cumplir con importantes puntos a dichos lugares que a partir de hoy serán llamados centros de espectáculo erótico.

Ramón Guzmán Muñoz, expresó que de este modo se podrá controlar a estos lugares que traen muchos perjuicios a la comunidad en general, incluyendo la entreda a menores de edad ya que en la ciudad no existe la exepción.

Señalaron que dentro de la propuesta realizada al congreso se encuentran nuevas reglas que entraran en vigor para aquellos establecimientos que inicien con este tipo de negocios. Mientras que los ya establecidos deberán contar con una serie de reglas con las que podrán obtener su licencia y de este modo porder realizar los espectaculos para las personas que acuden a estos centros de diversión.

Entre las principales reglas se encuentran el cambio de denominación ya que ahora en lugar de llamarse table dance se deberán llamar centros de espectáculo erótico de acuerdo a la nueva disposición.

Guzmán Muñoz dio a conocer las reglas con las que deberán contar los nuevos establecimientos al pleno de cabildo y los miembros apoyaron en su totalidad que entren en vigor estas propuestas para el beneficio de la comunidad en general y un mejor control de estos centros de diversión.

Como puntos importantes además de sacar de la ciudad a los establecimientos antes mencionados se propone también la obligación de contar con tarjetas de regulación sanitaria y de salud para los trabajadores de dichos lugares, seguridad en el lugar en la totalidad de los días que operen, arquitectura segura y desde ahora quedan prohibidos los privados en dichos centros.

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Link to web site: http://www.diariodelafrontera.com.mx/Historial/0617031A2.htm

For those of us that are Spanish impaired, here is the translation (I think) from world.altavista.com.

They will regularize table dances in Walnuts Lizeth Valenzuela With the approval of town hall to regulate the table one it dances will occur beginning to a regularización program by means of which it will be made fulfill important points to these places that as of today will be called centers of erótico spectacle. Ramon Guzmán Muñoz, expressed that this way it will be possible to be controlled to these places that bring many damages to the community in general, including entreda to minor since in the city does not exist the exepción. They indicated that within the proposal made to the congress are new rules that took effect for those establishments that they initiate with this type of businesses. Whereas already established they must count on a series of rules with which they will be able to obtain his license and this way to porder to make the espectaculos for the people who go to these centers of diversion. Between the main rules they are the change of denomination since now instead of being called table it dances will be due to call centers of erótico spectacle according to the new disposition. Guzmán Muñoz presented the rules on which they will have to tell the new establishments to the town hall plenary session and the members supported in their totality which these proposals for the benefit of the community in general take effect and a better control of these centers of diversion. As points important besides to remove from the city to the establishments before mentioned the obligation also sets out to count on cards of sanitary regulation and health for the workers of these places, security in the place in the totality of the days that operate, safe architecture and from now on are prohibited the private ones in these centers.

Looks like Agua Prieta could be getting a little more busy in the near future. Just as well.

To me it sounds as if they are proposing changes and trying to regulate places by calling them centers of erotic shows rather than table dances. They want health cards to be carried and minors to be strictly prohibited. What I am unclear on is if it is merely a proposal? Anybody noticed any changes? I believe these guys will just payoff the right people and they will drop this shit or maybe it won't be approved at all. This would be setting a dangerous precedent for all border towns. What if this happened to TJ!

Personally, I think it would be great if it happened to all the border towns, especially TJ! Then perhaps some people would start traveling internationally a little more. Close Nogales I say! It's too fucking expensive there anyway.

Plenty of good deals can be had in Nogales. You just have to shop carefully and have connections.

FUCK!!! This would have to happen NOW...

This means war...

MrBill

Well, if they do end up passing (and enforcing) such a law, it could be a good thing or a bad thing. It could be good if the girls make significantly less in the bars and are thus much more eager to go on hotel dates, and perhaps for less $$$. It could be a bad thing if the bars stop attracting talent worth taking on a hotel date. We need someone fluently bilingual to translate that article.

Hey, Phxguy - long time no chat. Que pasa? Como esta la novia?

Here is the scary part: (the last sentence)

"...y desde ahora quedan prohibidos los privados en dichos centros..."

This is the best translation I can come up with for this phrase: "and from now on they are prohibited the private ones in these centers"

Sounds like they want to outlway the VIP in Nogales. Will it pass? It wouldn't surprise me. Nogales has done this kind of thing before. If it does, will the dancers turn to brothels to make up for the loss of (the majority of) their income? Let's hope so...

How cool would that be if like 8 brothels popped up with girls that were the quality of Nogales strippers!

Is La Conga hiring?

I remember the days when some of these strip clubs were danceclubs which were stripclubs before that. It seems to go in waves.

Potros Bar still has whores without privados. It should work itself out. Whores will always win.

Well I saw this coming for a while.

Several reasons:

Nogales. Mx is a growing town, for various reasons. More people-->more jobs--> more people. etc. Added to this job growth were the strip clubs. I remember about 5-6 years ago there were maybe 2. There were a lot of clubs that offered ficheras, and ocassional strippers but not continuous "erotic entertainment" Most of the new clubs sprang up close to the border, and not in the "zona tolerencia" (the area around La Conga, set up for these purposes)

The city fathers could do little because:

There was lots of money thrown around to open these clubs!
There was little in the way of laws to govern these clubs, in fact the towns "zoning" actually encourages nightclubs" for the tourist trade. The idea was to let one or two gentlemens clubs into the mix. Unfortunatly, (or fortunatly for us) the ones which opened became succesful and others soon followed. There were rules against brothels, this is why you do not see lots of rooms with beds at these clubs.

The area east of the tracks where most of the clubs opened, was somewhat economically depressed since the close of La Caverna, Only La Roca brought in people to the area, and the properties in the area were bought for a song.

Even though the owners of clubs like Lord Blacks and Placers made efforts to "upscale" the clubs, the were
sexually orientated clubs, nonetheless, and Much to the chagrin of some of the more conservative city fathers, were right on the border and easily seen.

Sonora (Nogales, AP)is a much more conservative state than Baja, (TJ, Mexicali,Ensenada), and the idea of so many sex clubs opening rankled some of the more conservative government leaders of the State (not just Nogales) parties.

And Finally we have the last ingredient. The US government itself. As we all know by now (and if you didn't just fall off a turnip truck) the Federal Government has taken a decidedly turn to the right, and the social conservatives have ( or are trying to) extended their purity evangelism to the various Mexican border towns.

According to my sources, several US government officials
And yes, they were political appointies, have asked Nogales to "clean up" the sexual orientated businesses along the border. It has been brought up more than once by US officials in the various government/public/private sector border meetings. Some have even hinted that US cooperation on important border issues depend on how Nogales handles this situation.

The recent spate of "expose journalism" into the Nogales sex trade is not just happenstance.

The US demands (requests???), of course, is a blantant intrusion into national soveriegnty, but heh, thats what the Bush administration is about. And by holding future and present economic aid to Mexico for ransom is just what this administration likes to do.

But.... I'm comfored by the fact that all this has been attempted before, and mostly to little effect. Mexico, is not the US, its laws and cultures are defined not by the wishes of the US , but by custom, history and in some respects common sense. It showed grat backbone when it refused to go along with the Iraq war, despite enormous pressure.

If indeed they do "outlaw" privados, we are likely to see more TJ style bars. Or they will do it on the sly and less conspicuously like what the clubs on Revo in TJ do now.

Either way, we will be mongering in Nogie for quite a while.

Viva Mexico!!


OG

Well done, OG! You should write for the paper!

Of course, even if they outlaw the VIP, there will be ways of getting around it. But it would make Nogie an even bigger pain in the ass than it already is! And probably more expensive.

I would like to believe that such an action would drive the girls to the brothels in the "zone of tolerance". Maybe a handful would do that, but I don't see many doing so. I'll bet at least 1/2 the girls do either 0 or 1 VIP per night.

What I do see happening is the pinche jefe's upping the prices of everything yet again. And looking further down the road, should this horror actually come to pass, I see 1/3 of the clubs closing down.

That is until/unless someone had the bright idea to open a new brothel in the "zone of tolerance". Something like what Placer's or Lord Black is now - or like Adelitas or Chicago Club in TJ. Then maybe they could pull in some talent.

But all this is speculation. Who knows if this will pass, or if it will be enforced, etc. At least Nogie is still Nogie, for now...

MrBill - ~ Your hapless lapdance reporter... ~

Titanic was a nice attempt at a stripclub away from the border. I assume it is still there although I have not been there in over a year. The place cannot be doing very well however. It would be nice if some stripclubs popped up away from the border too.

It's very amusing to me now when American politicians try to clean up Mexico or solve Mexican crime problems (witness Rudy Giuliani being hired to help clean up Mexico City). Most Americans have absolutely no clue that things in Mexico don't work the way they do in the US. One of the biggest mistakes they inevitably make is thinking Mexican law enforcement works like it does here. That's why I pondered "If they are enacting such a law, the real question will be is anyone going to enforce it". Hell, even here in the US it takes the law ages to effect such changes, because the clubs use the laws against law enforcement. In Mexico, it'd be much easier for the clubs to just pay them to enforce it as little as possible.

Rob - Titanic will be the first club to go if this law passes.

PXG - True, but lest we forget... Nogie once operated more or less just like TJ - good, old-fashioned brothels were the norm. They shut that down for good, save for the hapless La Conga. If they set their minds to it, they can shut down the lapdance/quickie clubs just like they did the brothels.

My opinion, as if anyone cared, is that Nogie is inherently different than TJ. Sonora is indeed a more conservative state. Furthermore, it borders a more consrvative US state than TJ does. I believe that TJ, truth be told, actually relishes it's "wild" reputation. It's part of it's appeal.

The real money to be made in Nogales is from old, retired whiteys (like Ben) - who come down in their RV's to buy their heart medicine on the cheap. That, and bourgoise whitey's that want to get served Velveeta on chips in Mexico so they can say they've had real Mexican food (this is true, BTW).

I say, be afraid. Be very afraid...

MrBill - ~ What a blowhard, this MrBill... ~

They really never shut down the brothels in Nogales. There were a few that operated outside of the "zona tolerencia" but their demise was not of the local governments doing.
In any case Nogales was never like TJ, in size or content. The ZT in Nogie was always away from the border. and catered to the locals. The Zona Roja in TJ grew up big time during prohibition and later during the war, catering to locals and to the countless thirsty Americans during prohibition and later to the countless horny sailors during WWII and later Vietnam.

There are several brothels/bars that are close to La Conga, but you might never want to go to them, they cater strictly to the lower-income citizens of Nogales. The advent of the strip clubs and services close to the border, pretty much put the economic squeeze on the ZT bars, or any that gringos would go in. In addition, the growth of the economy, an increase in retail and service jobs and especially the maquilladoras in Nogie (and other border towns) gave women more economic opportunities than spreading their legs. \*/

A case in point would be the little one-horse town of Naco, Mx that I have refered to many times, it is only about 4 miles from Bisbee,AZ, which was founded in the late 1800's and was at one time the largest copper producing mine in the World. To service the miners, the infamous Brewery Gulch was started which composed of over 50-60 Bars, Breweries and Brothels. (my kinda town). But when prohibition came and morality got the better of some of the legislators, the sin economy moved to Naco. During its heydey it once had close to 20 (twenty) brothels and assorted dance halls bars and other dens of ill-repute.. There was even a trolly that went from Bisbee to the border. and on Weekends it ran 24hrs.

You would never know this, by looking at this little town. When the giant Phelps-dodge mine closed in 1975, Bisbee almost became a ghost town, and the "entertainment" in Naco left too.

Despite the best efforts of puritans either in the US government or through to threat of eternal damnation from the local clergy, the only god that vice will bow to is the almighty dollars. No bucks, No Bang.


OG

How about the names of the other brothels by La Conga and some directions. That would be cool. MrBill and I will go there and sample the goods.

I'm not sure of the names anymore, I had them written down once, several years ago.

I have not gone to la Conga in about 3-4 years to partake, but I did pop-in once about a year ago. Just to see if ther might be anything there I liked. There wasn't!

But if you are adventourous there are two ways:

Ask the cabbies in front of LaConga or at the border, some of the older one may know. As these houses do not pay for referrels (the conga did once), they may just try and steer you to a strip club.

OR, take the stupid gringo way like I usually do, and just walk into the neighborhood to the bars and ask. It is NOT a good neighborhood to do this after dark.

If you look directly behind La Conga, along the dirt road from the parking lot, you'll see another small house that will have a few beer signs out in front. That's one. I do not know if its even in operation anymore, but when I checked it out about 4-5 years ago, it was pretty woeful, two fat elderly (40+) chicas was all they had "working". There were 2-3 other houses in the same "neighborhood" At one time, so I'm told there were as many as 9-10 houses, but most have since closed or turn into just a regular neighborhood bar.

If you do sample the <ahem> goods, do not, repeat do not write about it here. I can onlt stomach so much.

Even in their prime, they did not offer anything spectacular. Coming from SoCal, and being a participant in the Zona in TJ since the 70's, I was sorely disappointed. (It was about that time I discovered the TD's strip clubs---Yea)

Since then I have had no reason to return.

But in the name of all us mongers it is required of you to now check them out.

You may instead go to Agua Prieta and explore the new Strip Clubs that have purportedly sprung up this year.

Happy Mongering.

OG

Thanks OG. I had a taxi driver take me on a tour one time after La Conga was closed for the evening. Unfortunately I was drunk and all the other ones were closed as well. MrBill and I will start the process of a new map for whorehouses.

Wow, OG! You are a walking encyclopedia on vice. Very impressive - and fascinating. Maybe you should be a whore correspondent? Get it? You could change your handle to Whorealdo Rivera or something.

I dunno, Roberto. I can hardly imagine a bigger dump than Conga, but I might go with you if I get drunk enough... I DO want to check out the A.P. scene, however.

MrBill - ~ Your hapless whore correspondent... ~

Get your beer goggles on Guillermo, we will need them!

What is really ironic about all this is that they propose to prohibit privados or regulate lap dancing, but they do not propose to regulate prostitution, which is not illegal, other than to do check for health cards, etc.

go figure.



OG

i think prostitution is illegal in Mexico, but is TOLERATED in certain zona rojas... just like in TJ, where it is tolerated in the alley area.. However, i think nogales doesnt have a zona roja, except for la conga..

Happyboy is right. Prostitution is not legal in Sonora, but it is not prosecuted either. Some states do allow it in certain "Zones of Tolerence", such as the case with Tijuana in Baja California Sur.

The proper legal definition is that prostitution "per se" is NOT illegal in Sonora, Mexico, it is not illegal to be a prostitute or to engage in prostitution. You must have a health card to engage in prostitution in Mexico and you may not solicit for sex, though, except in those areas where it is tolerated.., ie a "zona tolerencia" This is the difference from the US where most states make prostitution or to engage in specifically illegal, except in Nevada.

The town of Nogales Mex. may make it illegal to solicit sex in the strip clubs, but it doesn't make prostitution illegal. In most every major town in Mexico there is a ZT.

OG

i think this is all political talk for the upcoming elections july 3rd.. most of the waiters and managers at the clubs think it wont happen.....

Well, hopefully they're reading the situation right. I'll be down next weekend and will no doubt talk to some locals about what's going on.

Just spent the weekend in Nogales. Nothing's changed as far as I can see. I mentioned the thing about the privados to one of the locals, his take "They're already illegal, they're just trying to raise a stink about it." Mexican elections are July 6. I suspect this issue will fade away once all the politicians are fat and happy again.

i just spoke to bluelight today, and he said that someone told him that all sexo is prohibited in private rooms in nogales.. but i spoke with baby from lord black who said that everything is still a go...

Nothing would give me more joy than to see them "outlaw" prostitution or take away the tolorance zones in Mexico.

We would see how quick these girls attitudes would change.

Before you start crying they would do it other ways such as meeting them in marked discos and you would negotiate there for an all nighter for 1/3 price of what you are paying now.

not only that more girls would just quit the bizz and look for a whitey novio to take care of them and thats where you guys come in

2 years ago in Mexicali they found out a lot of high end chicas were working out of Mojcaetes bar looking for scores and posing as regular girls

So don't be so quick to cry about them outlawing whats already outlawed

take care
Milktuff

Dream On milkey,

We are piggybacking on what is an acceptable pastime within a foreign country. Outlawing prostitution in Mexico is an admirable goal in anal-retentive puritanical America, but is not going to happen umless there is a great societal upheaval in Mexico. Virtually every large city in Mexico has a zona tolerencia, these are even tolerated (but not accepted) by the biggest moral authority there, the Catholic Church.

The attitude of the chicas would indeed be changed, but inevitably not for the better. You only need to look at where prostitution and "zona tolerencias" are prohibited, to see the "attitude improvement". I think the majority on this board feels that the attitude of American women is why we enjoy the company of foreign women.

It is true that some chicas develop an attitude, or "become spoiled", as some would call it, but being empowered with more money that most girls will ever make in their lives, is bould to give an attitude adjustment. It is usually for the better.

As long as their is poverty, sexual bigotry,and an itch that need to be scratched, there will be prostitution in Mexico.

Nogales is trying to get a handle on the adult entertainment in the downtown area, at the request of the US governmnet, not Mexican society. A big difference.

At first there was a so-called crackdown on street prostitution, but there is more than ever in the downtown area. Now they propose to prohibit privados and lapdancing in the clubs. The clubs will still be there, the girls will still be there, the guys with money will still be there, prostitution will still be there. Prohibiting the privado in the clubs will just lead to doing it elsewhere, either the clubs or chicas will see to that.

IMNSHO, there will be some changes, but prostitution will not be completely prohibited, just pushed into less obvious areas.

I think a lot of people who spend a lot of time in Mexico, really do not understand the culture. They reference it by what are cultural biases are or are not. Visiting Tijuana or Nogales, or living in a border town, if you are an American, does not truely give you an understanding of the cultural values and mores of a foreign society.

Commercial sex is a commodity, and should not be confused with love and honour. I think many Mexican chicas understand this better than we do.


OG

Organgrinder

I know the by-laws will not change as least not in our lifetime I was just hoping or perhaps I was dreaming

It still would be in a lot of mongers best interests if they did for the reasons i pointed out.

Good Luck
Milkman

Where there is no easy access to paid pussy, like the US, non-Tuff Guys are forced to give up a certain amount of control and power to women in order to get a little poontang. Women of course know this and exploit it for all it's worth, which unfortunately is a lot.

Like my favorite Gary Busey movie line of all time, "why are women always so mad? They have half the money and all the pussy!"

It's all about competition. An American woman knows that if she doesn't put out, often there is nothing the husband or boyfriend can easily do about it and he will undoubtedly change his preferred course of action to just about whatever she tells him to do, just to get a little fucky-fucky.

However, in most of the rest of the world, if the woman doesn't put out, paid (and legally paid) pussy can be found in very short order. Wife won't suck your dick? Go down to the local brothel and get your dick sucked, then go home and have a good night's sleep.

So, my theorum is that in areas with legal (or at least not illegal) prostitution the pussy power that women try to control men with is substantially diminished. That is why women are so pissed about it. It's not the prostitute that mongers exploit, its the diminished power of the cunts back home that we exploit.

I haven't seen any further mention of this in the Nogales paper. Probably a dead issue now that the election's over. And despite some recent thread talking about girls not being allowed to do sex in the privados at one of the clubs, there were countless girls at Lord Black this past weekend trying to get me to trade up from a table dance to sex or a BJ in the privado.

Are the prices and policies still un-reasonable at LB and Placer's?

Do they still want 3 dances to close the curtains and then another $40-60 on top of that for the girl?

Sorry Xen, I rarely do privados, so I don't know.

Just caught up on the news regarding the supposed privado crack-down in Nogales and other cities in Sonora. IMHO it will be unenforceable in such a poor country. I agree with the commentators above. It is probably related to the recent election of a new governor and the conservative attitudes of both USA and Arizona.

I can't speak to the scene in Nogales as I usually just pass through on the way to Hermosillo. I have not seen any changes in Hermosillo at all and have been mongering there at least once a month for the last few months.

I would like to throw out a question to Nogie mongers. Why have I found a wonderfully thriving massage parlor business in Hermo, with at least eleven active parlors, and no such action in Nogie? I am not talking about clandestine operations in Hermo. On a recent trip I was given information up-front (en espanol) that "sexo completo" was available.

Is the reason Nogie is devoid of these pleasures also because of the repressive political atmosphere due to the proximity to the wonderful US of A?

I haven't seen any changes (of a crackdown sort) in Nogales either. I imagine it was just political posturing due to the election.

I haven't seen anything in the Nogales paper lately about a crackdown on privados. I'll be back down soon and will be asking questions around the various bars about what's going on.

But I did see a writeup about one crackdown yesterday - they arrested 50 (yes - 50!) Nogales police officers. From what I could gather, some clown was making animal sounds (and disparaging remarks about higher-ups) on his police radio. They couldn't tell who it was, so it appears they arrested everyone on that shift - to be sure they got the perpetrator along with the 49 innocents. Just like being back in grade school...

Any updates on the no privados in Nogales thing?

Are they back now? With summer here and the UofA out of school, I would imagine those clubs are totally dead now if there isn't any fucking to be had in the private rooms.

Haven't made it back yet. Most likely next weekend...

I was at Boleiros last week, did a privado with baby. Options were $22 privado dance, or further back for $55, both of those no curtains, or the last option 1/2 hour in the bedroom for $230 (all inclusive, I would imagine). Took the $55 option and got baby down to $80 from her starting quote of $120. Also was with Nayeli at the massage parlor. $40 massage and $80 for Nayeli. Nogales has some very pretty women but price his high for what you get. I think the all-nighter route is easier in Nogales, I didn't have time to take the option, but wonder how early you can pull them out of the club and how much of a barfine it would be, if any.

Bullitt,

Am I reading that right?

You paid $135 ($80 to the lady, $55 for the room) for a private room where the curtain was not closed and had sex? How much time was that?

Yeah, you read it right, maybe around 20 minutes or so. Hey, the last time I was there was last year. Boleiros was the first club I went into, baby caught my eye, but I didn't talk to her and went off to a couple of the other clubs and the massage parlor. I was in the the placers for a while and knew I had only about only about an hour left and she was just one of those girls I just had to have.

I must reiterate, once again, to the Nogie crew - drive the extra hour to Agua Prieta. Sure, the chicas don't look like Baby - they're a rough-looking bunch for the most part - but, if my memory is correct, in AP you're talking about $30, room included, for a short time.

I never did do my AP trip report, and I don't remember many of the specifics (just what I wrote here over a year ago) but my general impression was, it was a better deal overall than Nogie.

Agua Prieta is cool although often dead. I think a nice compromise is La Conga in Nogales.

Is there a way to set up a hotel overnight without going through a club and paying bar fine and waiting till 2:00 am. Seems it would be a alot cheaper to cut out the greedy bar owners. Are there any regular clubs girls work out of? Thanx in advance for any advice.

>>>Any updates on the no privados in Nogales thing?

I made it back down to Nogales last night and visited Rios, Lipstick and Lord Black. In Rios and Lipstick, the doors are gone from the privados. It does seem that the powers that be have begun enforcing the "no privados" legislation. So since they can't offer "privados"...

Lord Black has "2 or 3" bedrooms you can get for $125 per half hour, which supposedly includes the cost of a BJ - if you want something more you negotiate it with the girl. Lipstick has a bedroom you can get for $60 per half hour, plus whatever you negotiate with the girl. And I didn't ask, but I believe Rios has some similar setup.

>>>Is there a way to set up a hotel overnight without going through a club and paying bar fine and waiting till 2:00 am.

Yes, many of the street pimps can help you locate gals that work outside the clubs. The biggest difference is the club girls aren't likely to rip you off or rob you, because they would have to answer to the club. When picking up a gal from the street, they're likely to be out of your place as fast as possible (time is money, after all). And while they are the exception rather than the rule, some of them will rob you blind given half a chance.

Phoenixguy,
Where do the pimps you mention hang out? I swear every visit I've ever made to stay past 2am...all street action is gone! Call girls don't anwser phones, the whole place closes down. I usually have to set things up for a hotel date well in advance, especially if it is a club girl.

You can still have sex in the VIP closets. The new rule for Nogo is that there can't be sex in the clubs. So the clubs are using the walkie-talkie to alert when police are coming. So weather it is in the VIP or bedrooms, it is still against the current Nogo police policy. I don't know what would happen if one is caught in with his pants down!

When this new policy was first enforced several weeks ago, there was appaerently some clubs raided by the paramilitary state police as well as the federales, a kind of "we really mean it this time" approach. It included arresting a customer literally with his pants down at one of the clubs.

Quite a few of the clubs saw this comming and prepared, hence the little "secret" bedrooms that most of the clubs already had and now all have. Several are making deals with some of the small hotels in the area. Unfortunatly the cherries, LB, Placers, Bol, and Ferni's block do not have very many rooms available at the local little hotels on the block.

There are quite a few in the Rio's/Obsession area. In fact I've heard the the Obsessions owner is relieved to be rid of the privados, however they do have a back area for blowjobs and have made arrangement with a local hotel next door for sessions. The downside, at least for Obsessions is that the initial asking price for the hotel + girl is over $150.

There are deals. I got a room at Ferni's for $30 for 1/2 hour and a girl for about $40. A real bed sure beat those bat caves they had at fernis.

I'm also told that Rio's has one or two "secret rooms" under construction or completed they will be open for biz soon.

Probably the most hopeful sign I got is that some of the clubs are lowered or considering abolishing the salida.

That would be a major change. It would remove the control and hence money that the clubs exert over the girls, but I think it will only come if the owners see a positive., ie more mongers coming to the club, byting fichas for the girl and more drinks. I can only hope!!

Things are changing in Nogales. But sex is not going a way anytime soon. Great deals can be had now if your savvy and ask the right people and of couse NEGOTIATE.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

OG

Let's hope it becomes like TJ!!

Well Nogie mongers, the days of the $22 privado are back. For certain at Placers and Lord Black, don't know about the other clubs.

that was quick.. sounds like things are getting back to normal, probably because all the young, stupid rich 18-24 year old U of A students are back in class, ready to drop $200 for a 12 minute privado..i was there last sunday, and i saw the doors and curtians missing from the privados at rio, cherries, and fernis...

When I was in town a few weeks ago, the situation was still grim.

At Cherry's I hooked up with Genoveva(?), a chica with the largest breasts I have ever seen, at the end of her shift (8:30 or so in the evening). No curtains inside Cherry's but I got away with a nice long session with her for $85 total--$20 for a room at Hotel Andres, and $65 for her.

Later that night I hooked up with Paola at Rio's for half an hour at $100 total upstairs. No curtains on the main room, but comfy upstairs. They were also selling sessions for $100 in one of the side rooms--same deal, $100 fs for half an hour.

Latinalvr said,

"all the young, stupid rich 18-24 year old U of A sudents".

I resent that comment......

unless you include asu students in that blanket statement.

enjoy tj

Can anyone tell me which clubs are offering privados and what the current prices are?
I am planning a trip for this weekend.
Thanks.

See Phoenixguy's post and mine above. When I was there last month, Rio's was pricing their privados at $100 including the upstairs room for 1/2 hour, fs and cbj. Cherry's was not offering privados, but I was able to hook up for a total of $75--$65 to the chica and $10 for a hotel room, not $85 as I originally posted.

Since Placers and Lord Black definitely have returned to the $22 quickie privados, it's a good bet Boleiros has as well, since it's also a TD's club. Lipstick and, I suspect, Rios are probably still doing the 1/2 hour bedroom thing, as their privado cubicles still have no doors.

justdan said, " i resent that comment"....
what i meant to say was.. there are a LOT of college students out there, period, that drop $200-$300 on these dancers for like 10 minutes of sex.. the college kids seem to drive the price up, and yes, if these clubs were located outside of ASU, a lot of young, stupid college kids would be blowing money there... BTW, nice job the mildcats did against utah last week..have fun in nogi...

hahaha

dude,

i was givin you crap, knowin that you are a
sCUMdevil fan

talk to ya soon...

Quick update on the privados - they ARE NOT the privados of days gone by. Did a privado in Placers Sat night so I could see what's up, and the privados have no curtains and no sex. So privados in Nogales have become the equivalent of the champagne room in a US lap dance club. And as Chris Rock put it - "there is no sex in the champagne room".

My recent vist confirms that the privados are a far cry from what they used to be. If you want services you need to pay $100 and up. Had FS at Lord Black - $100. A better optoin might be La Conga, but the quality (beauty) is not as high as in the clubs. My friend had a great BJ in Boleiros for $80 - the prices have gone WAY up, but it is still better than your traditional US strip club.