Any current news about the situation there from any of you D.F. vets out there? I'm off for at least a week in early January. Never yet been to the big show and really excited.

You'll need to check back later. If you haven't heard, there was a disco fire about 2 wks ago that resulted in a crackdown on all the nightclubs and strip joints in D.F. last week. As a result, Tittanium and several of its related locations were closed by the city government. Also a lot of the foreign girls left. This will probably pass, but you should definitely check before going.

Cheers,
Tequila1

Any news on Mexico City?

I'm off there next week - what's the big show or am I naive?

Patrick:

As of last week, all of the clubs affiliated with Tittanium are closed by the city government. Of course, this may change. Probably the best sources of info when you get into town are the street touts. If they are not offering to guide you to them, that means that they are still closed. The more upscale options, Men's club and Solid Gold are still open. I was at both of them this weekend and there were foreign girls at both of them. I was told by one of the girls at SG that there was a possiblity that they might get raided by Immigration, but it didn't happen while I was there. Email if you have any other questions.

Cheers,
Tequila1

Was in the city on a weekend and made a quick trip to both the Tittanium clubs that have reopened (Amadeus and Cadillac). The other three (Tittanium, Manhattan and Jet Set) are still closed. The two clubs open are the same as the old Tittanium, but if you ask me, the quality of the girls has gone downhill. Table dances have increased to $P200 each. I assume salidas are still available but didn't have time to check.

Brothers,
Meant to post this long ago, but my brain don't always work right. I was down in the D.F. for almost three weeks in December, early Jan., but mostly on the leash of a little hoochie I met up in a strip club in TJ, so I didn't do much tourin' this time. Brother Tequila has more recent data than I do on the big name clubs there, so nothin' to add there (shame about Tittanium)--but I did find one little place, strip joint just south of downtown on Eje. Central Lazaro Cardenas, 128, around metro Doctores or Obrera, if memory is correct--called Mirog or somethin' like that. No cover either of the two nights I went in, after escapin' from my reglar chica, and I wasn't pressured to drink or do anything else. There's a little scam on drink prices in that there's a price list on your table, but those prices don't include a markup of something like 25%--the mesero did tell me the real price when I asked before ordering, but I might have been unpleasantly surprised if I'd assumed the thing on the table was correct. Even with the markup though, prices weren't outrageous, though I can't remember exactly what I paid for my beer--chica drinks too were around what you pay in many of the Revo TJ strip clubs--about $9-10. The selection wasn't totally amazing either night, but there was a decent number of hot girls, and I had a wonderful time both nights with one wild little thing who was dead drunk both nights and sat in my lap for more than an hour each time and got very freaky wit me for the price of one chica drink. Didn't check out the private dance situation--this girl offered both nights to leave the club and go to my room with me (I mighta had ta carry her!), but we didn't get far on that subject, 'cause I was stayin' at my chica's apt. I'll probably be back down in summer--around July or so--and intend to check this place (and this particular chica, if she's still around) out again.

Yeah, the price markup is actually the IVA or sales tax. Technically, its suppose to be included in the list prices but it seems like all the strip clubs except for the high end ones (Men's Club, Solid Gold, Club Royal) leave it off the list price and then tack it on when you get the bill. Plus of course the 10 or 20% "propina" (tip) for the waiters.

I have a flight to Mexico City booked for early june with plans to travel to parts further.Any current info on monger entertainment/massage parlours/ect. in case i encounter chica flakeage(always a possibility)and decide to plan B and just stay in Mexico city for four days of mongering?
Your knowledge and info appreciated!
Taxibob

I guess i wll be staying 4 nights in Mexico City but with the Chica.Any suggestions for a nice but not extremely pricey hotel?
Taxibob

Sorry no specific hotel suggestions, but there are lots of P$200 - P$500 hotels in the city. They might not look like much from the outside but they are usually quite decent. Ask to see the room before you check in. I've been in some "love motels" that were very nice for about P$300.

The scene is changing dramatically for the worse now. I was there last week and the city govt had closed down a couple more places (Amadeus, Cadillac, the Solid Gold located in the south part of town, etc.) The Solid Gold in the Zona Rosa was closed due to renovations. According to touts, its scheduled to reopen this week ?? Some of the girls from the Solid Gold are now working at the other two high end clubs (Men's and Royal). Overall, it may be time to explore other options.

Cheers,
Tequila1

Thanks Tequila1
I have the room covered.Got a nice master suite con jacuzzi on reforma.Looks like the chica thing is set too but it's always best to be ready in case of chica flakeage.
Taxibob

TaxiBob:

Master suite con jacuzzi on Reforma - at what hotel, and at what price?

I'll email you Explorer and i'll post it here after the fact.
Taxibob

Explorer
Your email doesn't work when clicked on here.I'll post all pertinent info after all is done.

Question for Westfargo......West is Mexico city worth a checking out. It is cheap to fly down there and if there are 25,000,000 million Mexicans down there, there has to be some good pickins..lots of SG's???? I would also like to visit some of the ruins, temples, pyramids stuff like that. May be i could find a nice senyorita to be mi guide :-)
Thanks for your input,
SB

I went down there for a week's "vacation".

Went out to "Los Pyramides"... I took a bus, and it took 3 hours to get out there. Jesus. I've heard you can pay a taxi driver to just take you out there directly for $50, or something like that. It is actually pretty cool.

Checked out the Chapultapec Castle that the Americans stormed before they took Mexico City in 1848(it was outside the city at that time). Supposedely, the "Ninos Heroes" jumped to their deaths from the steep walls of the castle, rather than be captured by the "evil gringos". Sounds like a bullshit story to me, but even if it is true, then they were actually the "Ninos Estupidos".

Check out South Insurgentes Blvd, it is like a giant Zona Norte. I liked Titanium Bar. Be careful in some of the other dives. Oh, and do not, under any circumstances, start a "tab" or use a credit card. Pay for your drinks as you go. Trust me on this one.

Saw a lot of places with street girls, wouldn't want to have gone to any of these neighborhoods, however.

BTW, a lot of times I saw some fairly classy chicks in the more upscale subway stops that were obviously hookers.

If you take the directo from the TAPU, you can get to the pyramids in about an hour. I took the local bus back and it took 2 and a half hours.

Yeah, your ass is really sore after taking the bus there and back. But you get to see how the Mexico City suburbs really work.

You go to the "Indios Verdes" metro stop to hook up with all the buses. Where the fuck is TAPU?

I went out to UNAM in the south on the metro, and checked out that huge mosiac. Actually ran into some decent people out there - I suppose it had something to do with the University atmosphere. Most Chilangos have too many wrong and preconceived ideas about Americans - and it is a real turnoff after awhile.

I won't be going back to Mexico City ever again. But I did want to see the "biggest city in the world" at least once in my lifetime.

Remember, dress down, don't wear jewelry or nice shoes, or any of that kind of shit, or you could easily get robbed or kidnapped. It happens every day to some gringo down there. Be very careful in Mexico City, as it is much worse for crime than even Tijuana.

TAPU is the northern autobus terminal for Mexico City. Its farther into the city than the dreaded Indios Verdes Metro station, at the "Autobuses del Norte" Metro station on the yellow line.

I go to Mexico City every so often, I try to bring a chica, they seem to like it.

I saw around $242 to Mexico City. They got a pretty good zona rosa that has alot of strip clubs and they got this one street that must have at least 200+ street girls. Thats about all I saw around 5 years ago and I was attached so I really couldn't explore. Also, I saw sub $200 airfare to Mazatlan. It isnt too far to Culiacan and Los Mochis from there. Seeing that so many of these chicks are from Sinaloa, I would rather check that out than Mexico City. Does anyone know how much the ferry is to Mazatlan? And also how long it takes?

Oops. I meant to say how much is the ferry from Mazatlan to Cabo San Lucas?

Thanks for the input Diego and fellow mongers. It sucks they have so much crime down there. I would be traveling alone and do not want a bad experience. I had one about a year ago in Puerto Vallarta. It was very early in the morning and I got into a cab in the most southern part of PV. I said take me to the airport, next thing I know I'm being driven east up into the jungle. I yelled and the sito driver to immediately turn around and take me back to the city. This dude looked totally zapped on drugs his eyes were....well pretty evil looking..kind of had that deer in headlights look to em. I was just about to clock him big time on the back of his skull, and take my chances with car crashing, when he turned the taxi around and whispered some crap under his breath. All around was just mountains/jungle..bad place to be alone and one on one with some ratero. Once we were back in town I said "ALTO" made sure HE got out first as to not speed away with my luggage..asshole. Flagged another taxi and was at the airport in 10 minutes later.
I guess I'm 50/50 on weather I'll go to MEXCITY.
SB

Salsa Boy
I'll be there this time next week.I'll post should i survive.
Taxibob

Explorer

I stayed at a place called
Hotel Imperial
Paseo del la Reforma No. 64
Col. Juarez
Mexico City
Mexico
Tel: +52 5 705 49 11

It is just up Reforma from the Fiesta Americana
I was in the master suite on the fourth floor which happens to have about thirty foot of balcony wrapping around the bedroom looking over Reforma.It was a huge room with a Jaccuzzi,fridge,two televisions con stereos with mucho cable channels(no porn),a separate dining rooms with a table and large desk,a full size couch and two comfy chairs.It made the jaccuzzi suites at cascadas look like sg hotel rooms by comparison.It claimed to be a five star joint and i tend to believe them.A pretty nice place to hole up with a chica for a few days.

The price was $114 a night and they accept credit cards.The staff was friendly and helpful.I'm guessing if you register for two and the chica dresses conservatively there would be no probs bringing in different chicas.

I got my reservations through http://www.differentworld.com/
A travel agency that deals with many interior Mexico towns but don't handle TJ rooms.They got me the master suites for about the same price that Americawest vacations offered me a standard room there for.

Also i found a hell of a restaraunt just down the street at Paseo del la Reforma No.34.
It is called El Campirano and is open from 1 p.m. till about 8 p.m.It served its food buffet style with authentic Mexican and south American foods.It had about thirty or more cold dishes and twenty five or thirty hot dishes including Chile relleno,Mole,Paiella,Marinated pork loin,good soups,just too much good stuff to even try it all.For two with cokes it ran i believe 180 pesos.I highly reccomend this place to eat.
Taxibob

Frommers or Fodors Travel guides have numerous references for hotels. Stayed at Hotel Canada about 5 years ago for $30 per night with cable TV. Within walking distance of the central Zocalo, Palace of Fine Arts, and the Mariachi square. Cafe Tacuba is an excellent nearby resturant. The Majestic is on the West side of the Zocalo but is much pricier.
You can get to the area with the metro from the Airport (terminal area stop not aeroporto) in the day. Buy a taxi ticket at the airport if you arrive at night.
Heard that the city has gotten extremely dangerous since the last econ crisis. Robbers have hijacked cabs and victims, especially tourists were taken to ATM machines for withdrawals. The son of the nation's security chief was kidnapped. Have your hotel verify the safety of the cab you are taking.

Tania (SG on Constitucion btw 1st & the alley) told me that the standard SG price in D.F. was 80 pesos.

Pauncho

The standard SG price in TJ is 100 pesos, plus 20 for the room.

Hey Diego, how 'bout a little respect towards a foreign country's history and beliefs. How do you know what the "Niños Heroes" did. I guess you're a firm believer in Paul Revere's ride. Were you there to see him? Get a life, will you, Dieguito. You'll be the first one crying about how us Mexicans have misconceptions towards visiting Americans.

"Get a life"

Moron.

Hey Salsa Boy, I read your story about the experience you had in PV with the taxidriver. I have been to PV many times and know from experience that from the southern part of town the best way to get to the airport is on a back road that goes up into the hills a bit and then through a tunnel and then it eventually reconnects with the main drag out by hotel row on the way to the airport. I was concerned too the first time I was taken that way but now understand that you can avoid all of the in town traffic going that way.

Does anyone know of a really cheap way to FLY from California to Mexico City?

The rate is cheapest during the rrainy season. Fly out of TJ. It's about 250US. The stewardesses are all ex-whores from TJ, so expect to spend ten bucks on a blowjob. Don't be suprised if they want to come back to the US with you.

Mesero, who (what airline) do you get those rates from?
Leaving from what city?

e-mail me if need be.

Thanks.

Good hunting.

My brothers,
Any of you chilanga lovers out there that can hip me to how to call the DF w/the new phone number system? One of my friends down there just emailed me a phone number to reach her, but it looks like the old 8 digits, and I'm too lazy to do research on this right now. Thanks, bros.
Ritmo

I'll be traveling alone to Mexico City for one week in February and I'm looking for some current information. I'll be staying at the Majestic in the Zocalo area. What problems might I expect getting a girl in there at night if I'm paying for two?

Specifically I would appreciate information on the current security situation and how to best handle getting around town by yourself day or night. I also would appreciate any information concerning Estetica Masculinas, Escort Services, Strip Clubs or whatever information you can provide. I'll do a report on my return. Thanks in advance.

Wes Taylor

Ritmo:

If you are calling from outside Mexico, the changes don't go into effect until Feb. 2002. Anyway, just add an additional 55 in front of the number. For example from the USA:

old number was: 011-52-5-123-4567
new number is : 011-52-555-123-4567

or checkout telmex's website.

http://www.telmex.com/internos/nuevasclaves/

Cheers,
Tequila1

Ignore these jokers. Many people travel to Mexico City (also know as D.F. for Districto Federal or Federal District) with no problems whatsoever. Just use some common sense and remember its a big city like NY. I've lived there for a couple years and still go there 4+ times a year.
The green and yellow taxis are painted in different colors only to show that the green ones use unleaded gas and the older yellow ones still use leaded gas. As a general rule, at night, only use taxis from the hotel or that you call. Never get one from the street. Generally, during the day, its safe to get a taxi from the street.

If you go out at night, its best to go with coworkers or friends. Its more dangerous alone, especially if you go to the strip joints. It also helps to speak spanish.

Another option, if you go alone and don't speak spanish. Hire a hotel taxi by the hour when you go out at night. He can then be your drinking buddy/guide.

Never stayed at the Majestic, so I can't say if there will be any problems, but in general, most of the business class hotels don't have a problem as long as the girl doesn't come in looking like a whore.

Just be aware that the hobby is not cheap in the D.F. since it is the wealthiest part of Mexico. Expect to spend US$200 - 300 for a good looking girl from one of the better places. Street girls can be found for $50 or less but are of poor quality. Also, the scene has changed considerably since the local government cracked down more than a year ago.

Never tried the Estetica Masculinas, or Escort Services. Escort ads can be found in the classified in The News (local english paper) of El Universal (local spanish paper). Knew of one Estetica Masculina, but that was closed in the crackdown.

As far as strip joints, the high end places are still going, Men's Club, Royal, Solid Gold, but a bunch of the lower end places got closed in the crackdown. Tittanium is still closed, but they just opened a new place called 69 Farenheit near the World Trade Center. Its on Insurgentes #811 and its the same as the old Tittanium, but overall the girls are not as good as the old Tittanium.

If you have any other questions, post or send an email. Enjoy.

Cheers,
Tequila1

Titanium was cool.

I agree with Tequila1's recommendations... get yourself a taxi-buddy - preferably one recommended by your hotel... and don't think that after the first few days you know the ropes, and could go it alone like in TJ, just because you know Spanish... the rateros in Mexico City are experts, and will bring you down like a pack of wolves does to an old Moose.

Tequila1
$50 street girls!!! Nice looking street girls can be found for as little as $50 pesos. I did one in Tlalpan for that price a few years ago.

The girls that advertise in "The News" ask the kind of prices that you quoted, but I went through the ads in a Spanish language paper(I can't remember which one) and the going rate for escorts was $1000 pesos(a little over $100US). But some of the girls were asking less, a couple were asking for only $500.

I'm not sure what carckdown your talking about(I lost interest in DF politics long ago), but if there was one it didn't work. On my very recent trip, street girls were very abundant throughout the entire city.

One more thing for Westaylor.

Even with everything I said, If your going to Mexico City exclusivly for the sex trade You'll most likely be disappointed. Go to Acapulco instead.

Acapulco sounds like a good recommendation... I'll have to try that one myself.

I'm also curious about Veracruz... I've always liked the girls I've met who came from Veracruz.

I disagree. I had a great time with SG's in DF last month. $10-20 a go. Found them in La Merced (the outdoor market area), during the day and Sulayban Street at night (found a real diamond in the rough at Sulayban (petite, beautiful 19yrs old) named Alejandra, but lost her phone number, sorry guys). However, La Merced has a much better selection. Did the taxi thing at night for safety in Sulayban street, forgive the spelling, but during the day from 10AM or so on to the late afternoon wandered around the busy sidewalks of La Merced and had a wonderful time. Of course avoid going into obviously stupid deserted side streets and alleys... after all it is a Mexico City, but if you stay on the busy sidewalks during the day shouldn't have any problems. All very cheap, some pretty, and of legal age. It is much like the daytime TJ SG action, but much more spread out.

The only problem I had was a near robbery (I am guessing but not certain he could have just been a pushy panhandler) at an ATM at night, stupid of me for being in that position, but the taxi driver took care of it.

Also on a previous visit to DF, had someone spike my drink at a strip club near Garibaldi (Mariachi) Square, but had the good fortune to be aware of it because it was my first drink of the night, and made it back to the hotel to sleep it of before they could rob me. However that was scary.

Have fun,

AB

I don't want to get into an argument, but I feel the need to clarify a couple of points. Each person has their own preferences. I'm just giving my opinion.


Chargers:

>$50 street girls!!! Nice looking street girls can be found for as little as $50 pesos. I did one in Tlalpan for that price a few years ago.

Yes, you can get them much cheaper, but I wouldn't touch them and yes, there is always the CHANCE for a diamond in the rough. I said $50 OR LESS and as you said it was "a few years ago", prices have gone up in the D.F. Also Tlalpan is in the southern suburbs, that's a 30 min trek from the zona rosa.

>The girls that advertise in "The News" ask the kind of prices that you quoted, but I went through the ads in a Spanish language paper(I can't remember which one) and the going rate for escorts was $1000 pesos(a little over $100US). But some of the girls were asking less, a couple were asking for only $500.

The escorts in El Universal, the main spanish language paper that has classified, like alot of escorts can be hit or miss. I just don't have the time to be sending away girls that I don't like. Its also a bit awakard if you are staying in a major hotel to have alot of girls show up.

>I'm not sure what carckdown your talking about(I lost interest in DF politics long ago), but if there was one it didn't work. On my very recent trip, street girls were very abundant throughout the entire city.

The crackdown mainly affected the clubs and was due to the fire at the Lobohombre Disco where a couple people died. This one has been pretty effective the past year. Alot of clubs were closed like Tittanium and suprisingly have stayed closed.

Abunker:
La Merced ?? My hat's off to you. You are a braver man than I am. That's one of the most dangerous districts in the D.F. Anyone that goes there and looks like a foreigner is a prime target for both the crooks and the cops. I know mexicans who live near there that are afraid of that area at night. Good luck to you.

My advice for anyone going into the rough areas is to dress "down" in jeans and t-shirt, leave your watch in the hotel and go with as many friends as you can. Yes, there is safety in numbers.

Cheers,
Tequila1

Oigan amigos, pienso visitar la capital a principios de junio con motivo de festejar al fin del ano escolar. Si hay alguien a quien le interese, favor de comunicarse a UHalum@excite.com

--hasta podemos pescar el bus para ir a Veracruz si quieres...

PD. Soy gringo, profe de espanol

I will add my thoughts;

SG's are everywhere, but not in the day or very late at night. best hr.s 9pm - midnight.
Best places to look are in districts with mid level hotels, near upscale metro stops and on the major st.s radiating out of the zona rosa. Going rate for truly good looking 20 somethings about 30-35. These areas are safe to walk in during these same hours. I stayed at Hotel New York near the monument to the revolution and found them to be in any direction in this and other hotel zones. Is it really worth going in shitty areas to pay less then $30. I walked miles at night without the slightest problem.

There are always several Casas de cita operating in various diverse areas. Most cabbies have a card from one. Total cost about $70 after the cabbie gets his cut, but he'll wait and take you back. Typical lineup is 6-8 decent late 20's single mom's.

On any given day there's 100 adds in the newspaper. Ranging from ??? at $50 to supposed super models at $200. I stayed in the 70-80 range and got solid 2 hr.s (this seeme to be the norm) With my limited spanish, I extracted a promise that they were no gorda and had less then 30 years. I didn't have to turn any away.

I did the bus ride to both Veracruz and acuapulco and have the following comments.

Veracruz--- Interesting culturaly but not a great destination. One overpriced strip joint where everything happens in the booth ala nogales. Ugly sg's and expensive casas. Also the beachs are made of stones and the water is dirty. I posted more info prev.

Aucapulco---Wild 24hrs a day place. Same options as DF but about 20% more. Stay out of the high profile strip clubs that the cabbies tout and go for the places near the bus station. True chica bars with ficha, dancing etc. ala las chevalas in tj. If you avoid Santa semana and stay closer to the zocalo you can get a decent place fo $30/ night.

In summation I found DF a truly amazing city with something for everyone. Acapulco a mecca foe debauchery (it also has the most functional sports book of the 3 cities), and Veracruz more of a place to take your wife, It is a place where it's totaly safe to walk anywhere in the downtown area at any hour.
Perorojo

Abunker writes "Did the taxi thing at night for safety in Sulayban street, forgive the spelling"

You're forgiven but it's Sullivan as in Parque Sullivan. The legendary Samantha of AB fame once plied her trade there.

Tequila1,

No intention to argue, and you are definetely right I would never go to La Merced after dark. Definetly a dress down place, and leave your valuables and the bulk of your money behind kind of place. I was last there about a month ago, and it was pretty much the same. Some really hot 19-22 year olds and a lot that were not worth a second look.

Reytj,

Thanks Sullivan was too dark to ready any signs, I was just transliterating from the taxi drivers pronunciation. Should have guessed the b was a v, but thanks for sharing the info. I agree, Parque Sullivan is definetly only a place that is good at night. After meeting a friend, they then travel separately by taxi to a nearby hotel for the close encounters. They say it is for their safety, but seems like a good system for both.

AB

Does anyone know of a hotel in the Zona Rosa of Mexico DF where there is no problem with "guests"?

Abuelo:

Sorry no specific recommendation but there are hundreds of low to middle hotels in the DF and most of those have no problems with guests. Most of them are used as love hotels. And some of them are quite nice for less than $50/night.

Its only the business class hotels that will frown on frequent guests that are inappropriately dressed.

Cheers,
Tequila1

I just spent a week in the DF. Did not get a chance to hit any hotspots as I was with mi chilangita. But always enjoy the city.

I lived there for several years and left in April of 2001. For a nice hotel close to the Zona Rosa that is girl freindly or at least neutral, try the Maria Cristina. I took girls there often( usually non pros) and was never stopped or hassled. It is at Rio Lerma. I think it is number 133. It is on the corner of Rio Lerma and Rio Amazonas. One block off of Reforma. It is 1 block from the British Embassy and two Blocks from US embassy. It runs about $60.00 US a night and is pretty nice. Just register for two when you check in and you should not have much problem. There is a convenient side door from the garden. The hotel is a 10 minute walk from the Zona Rosa and a 5 minute car ride to the Sullivan SG line up( I reccomend that you do not walk to Sullivan. It can be a little unsafe)

My experience in clubs in DF was hit and miss. Some outstanding girls and some not so good ones. expect to pay considerably more than in Tijuana. Most of the nicer lookers want 200-300 US to go to your hotel. I just did not ever want to pay it. So I preferred Sullivan SGs. Be warned though tthat the quality of SG is not very good. IMHO. But I had a favorite sullivan girl named Leticia that charged $40 US for about an hour. I do not know if she is still there. She was average in her moves but has a great personality and a good attitude about what she does and how she treates her " customers"

She is one of the taller girls there about 5' 9". Thin. Maybe 110. 23 years old. Says she has no kids, and I certainly could not see any sign of her having had children. Usually wears jeans and not a skirt like most. Long Black hair. Fairly light complected. From Campeche. Usually stood very close to Circuito Interior in front of the Telmex building. Anybody run into her tell her que el Gringo Panzon says hello.

If you speak Spanish and prefer to go after non pros. I reccomend a place with a bonus. Bar el Alamo. It is in the Zona Rosa. It is in front of the Angus restauraunt. I believe it is on Hamburg street( I do not remember the street names)It is a bar saloon with alot of normal girl who are frequently looking for fun. I have had good luck there. The bonus is that really late at night the girls who work in the nearby clubs go there to drink afterwork. And yes the ask for less and they seem less tense outside of the clubs.

Speaking of the Angus restaurant. It is very expensive, but if you wan tto see some of the hottest chics in DF go eat there and check out the waitresses. I heard from a freind that some of these girls were available for "dates" but that they were very expensive and very selective. Does any one know if that is true?

Anyway. It has been several years since I did any hobbying there( Shortly after arriving I hooked up with a really nice chilanga and ended up marrying her)So my hobby info is probably out of date. My only strong reccomendation is stay out of club KEOPS in the Zona Rosa. What a rip off. But I have a lot of general info on DF. I went to the Zona Rosa almost daily. I would be happy to help anyone out with general info or answer any questions. I love the DF.