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"WE" are still around . I have not heard of the
Princesas massage parlor-I guess i am overdue for a visit to Juarez.

Princesas is at the corner of Porfirio Diaz and Chihuahua streets. A bit off the beaten path. Take Costa Rica north to 21 de marzo. Make a left. Porfirio Diaz will be on your right, approx 2 or 3 blocks down. Princesas will be on your right just before you get to Chihuahua. It's been open for just over a month. I had seen the ad in the paper and had to check it out.
I went there this afternoon around 1:30pm. 5 girls were available.I picked Selene, a young morena, only to find out she was ready to go in with another customer. Too bad. I then selected Gaby. Nice attitude but not very pretty.Nice legs but chest sagged a little. Anyway I needed a release and decided to go ahead. She turned out alright, very accomodating.
Place is not as nice as Roma's. Lacked A/C. No shower in the booths. Rate was 300 pesos for a massage, oral and straight sex. Would I return?
Might come back for Selene. Most girls however are in the 5 to 7 range. Will keep checking for new talent at a later date. The best deal (250 pesos) and selection (7 to 9 girls)right now is at Loryed. Newly remodeled. Conveniently located.
Will try them next time since I live in El Paso.

I'll be checking out Loryed and Princesas this coming weekend. Thanks, Flaco.

I went by Princesas about a month ago but didn't feel comfortable walking in because it is in a residential area. I went about 2 pm on a weekday and it felt too weird with all the school kids walking around the front entrance. Ended up going to Genesis for the first time, which is also in a residential area, but they have parking in the back with a back entrance. I was pleasently surprised with the selection and the overall hospitality. Boarderjumper is right. The owner is a great guy. He speaks perfect English and seems to be concerned about the customers having a memorable experience. They have showers in the rooms, and the gal I went with (sorry can't remember her name) was 22, slim and very eager to please. Took a shower together both before and after and didn't rush the session.
I still need to check out Loryed. Sounds like it has potential.

It must have a lot of potential because when I went by there at 3 p.m. last Saturday the heavy blonde girl who opened the door informed me that all 12 of the girls were busy. She suggested I come back in 30 minutes, so I did some shopping in Hipermart, which is right in front of the place. When I got back there were three girls available---all packing a little too much plump to suit me. This time I was invited to sit in the parlour, but there were already 4-5 guys waiting. So I left and sought out the always reliable GFEs which a couple of favoritas in other MPs.

Decided to check out Loryed sometime very early, no later than 12:30-1:00 p.m.

Went to Venus on Thursday. They had a good lineup, but the manager (Valentino) said the service was now $50. When I asked why the price had increased he said that it was due to the unstable peso. I reminded him that the dollar was getting stronger, at which point he said its still only 400 pesos. I didn't like his heavy sales technique, but I had pesos and decided to go with a cute chica. She is 22 and I think her name was Octavia. She had a beautiful face and decent body, but once in the room she informed me that the price only included oral or straight sex. For both it would be a higher charge. I didn't like the menu/pay per act, but she did have a pretty face & I opted for oral. She got the job done all the while wearing a black thong that made her look extreamly hot. The session was ok & she was a sweet gal, but I won't be going back until they stop dicking with the price and extra-pay services. They may be able to get away with this because they are one of the closest mp to the boarder. However they may be hurting their own business because there were no other customers to be seen.

Mexican philosophy on economics makes absolutely no sense. When the peso is strong dollar prices go up. When the peso is weak prices go up. Also some places post their own exchange rates apart from what is offered in a casa de cambio. For example if I spent one dollar in the Las Palmeras it is only worth 8 pesos as opposed to the going rate of 9.5 more or less. It is the typical Mexican attitude of something for nothing.

After a lot of going back and forth, it seems easier now to just exchange what I am going to spend into pesos and totally skip the dollars, especially in terms of the MPs. I think part of this philosophy is mental laziness, but there does seem to be a price break in the MPs. For instance, they always subtract $50 pesos for every $5 of the dollar price. At LePetit it's $35 or $300 pesos. Felina's and Serina's it's $45 or $400 pesos. Now you say Venus wants $50 or $400 pesos. Of course, if I were really pinching pennies I would factor in the cost of buying the pesos. But, hey, it's just tooo much work after programming computers all week to get all mental on the weekends...

I have been reading a lot of monger forums lately (not much to do here in Las Cruces on weeknights), and we really have it lucky here in regards to the MPs. It's $30-$45 total service, no upselling, no bullshit. The only trouble is that you need a car to make the rounds, because there seems to never be more than 1 or 2 worth picking at any one MP, and they might be busy. Makes me damn glad I moved here.

Loryeds behind Hipermart on Triunfo de la Republica is a good deal right now. Lots of cute girls, $30 U.S., and the other girls tend to grab your dick as you are coming in and leaving...

Showers are in the rooms, too.

How late at night are the mp's open?
thanks.

They close at 9 p.m., which means you should get there by 8 p.m. at the latest so you get your hour.

Hi,
Any recent updates as to which MPs have the best selection? Is it safe to go alone to these MPs?
Can one negotiate the price?

Thanks!

Has anyone made a map of where the massage parlors are located? Or even a narrative would help for those of us yet uninitiated yet willing and wanting to avoid the taxi scene.

Hang on Wanderer, once I can find a host which does not want $100 a month for hosting an adult site, I will be publishing "The Men's Guide to Juarez". You will be able to invest a little money in a book which will list all the MPs and whore bars, complete with maps, pictures of the MPs, pics of some of the girls, and directions to get there by taxi, autobus, or on foot...I would not be asking anything for it at all except for the fact it is the product of over 2 years experience living there and countless hours taking photos, making maps, and toiling at this computer.

The massage parlor just off Av Juarez (Cleopatra) near Tacos Lucas will be opening tomorrow, according to someone who was in there yesterday. It was the first time I'd seen the metal gate open and stopped in. The guy said he was renovating and would open soon.
Also, there is now a massage place with a web site, http://www.le-petit.com/

So, if I take a taxi in to a MP does the price get hiked? The only time I went to an MP in TJ some guy snatched me up and took me in. Onjly did I find out later that the price i paid was twice the going rate due to my "helper". I would like to avoid this when I visit Juarez but I am getting the idea that the only way for a newbie to find the MPs is with a taxi. ?????

Have the address ready and tell him you want to be dropped off "near" there.

It will happen here, also. Rabidkang has the right idea. Ask to go to the Hotel Villa Manport at Hermanos Escobar and Calle Panama, then walk across the street to Masaje Sirena (closed Sun). You can even use one of my coupons for $30 service. Here is also a sample of one of the girls:

Ask to be driven to Avenida Lopez Mateos and Del Ejido, then walk west on Del Ejido about 8 blocks to the address on the coupon to Masaje Marilyn. Here is a sample of one of their girls.

You might also want to check out my website featuring places to eat and good hotels in the city. I recommend the Villa Manport for mongering. www.juareztourguide.com

I am going to Juarez for the first time later this week. I would like to try one of the massage places. I speak no Spanish, will this be a problem? Any other info you can give a newbie would be appreciated.

The two listed above would be a good place to start...there is also a new one by the Sante Fe Bridge which needs more reporting on. Here are the directions from an edited post on another forum:

I checked out the new MP called Cleopatra yesterday. It is located on Mejia about
halfway between Juarez and the railroad tracks. The place is small and spartan, but the owner said he hopes to soon rent a larger spot next door. See below for the address and phone, along with their leaflet information in both Spanish and English
I was there about 6pm so the selection was minimal. There was just one girl available
with two others busy...Although this particular MP needs some improvement before I would visit it regularly, I take it as a positive sign that there is one convenient to the Sante Fe bridge, because sometimes I don't like to drive across.

Masajes Cleopatra: 140 Ignacio Mejia y Ave. Juarez, Telefono: (044656) 550-55-48"

Worth checking out if you are walking across.

Ok, I will be heading that way within the next month or so and was wondering. Is it a problem just to take my car accross the border? Is there a convenient place for mexican insurance handy at or near the border. I assume that it would be foolish to drive accross without it as in Nogy or Rocky Point.

From the sounds of the past posts I should expect to have to drive around to the various massage places in case the "selection" is not attractive at any given location.

I am looking at past posts to try to accumulate the needed addresses to assure variety. Any other suggestions? Sorry to hear about the demise of the site Dreaming..

As I look back in the forum I can only find addresses to a few places. For some reason I can not access the yahoo "yoamolatinas" referred above.

I see no address or good directions to Felinas Roma or Venus. The pParassio, Genesis and Encanto only have ref from an "apartment". Looks kind of bleak for going w/out a taxi except for the Serina and Marilyn.

Any help ??

Yoamolatinas is a private group, but Felinas is at Jose Borrunda and Calle Peru. Roma is on Lopez Mateos south of V. Guerrero beside a Church's Fried Chicken place. Venus is on Abraham Lincoln beside the Montana Steak house near the free bridge. Genesis is on Montes de Oca one block north of V. Guerrero. And El Encanto is on Hermanos Escobar one block east of the Hotel Villa Manport at H. Escobar and Calle Panama. Sketchy, but an cab driver could decipher these directions, and you could, too, armed with a map and Mexican auto insurance, which you do need, as you suspected. Check out my website at www.juareztourguide.com and click under FAQ to see where you can buy a map. Best of luck.

Hello DreamingEagle (& All),

Noticed the photo of the young lady in the MP across from the Hotel VM...

Would this be in the Jacuzzi room (not covered by the coupon)? If so, how much extra is the Jacuzzi room, and any Pro & Cons of using it? Are these young ladies the rule or exception to what I would find at these to fine establishments?

As always I find your post exceptional in preparation for my trip.
~SeattleGym

Right at the moment, I would recommend printing out both the Sirena's coupon and the Marilyn's coupon and checking out Marilyn's first. There are three real dolls there right now. Same with Corpus at Jose Borunda and Columbia if just one of two of their knockouts is there when you pop in, although I do not have a coupon for that place...

The Jacuzzi room at Sirena's is $60 for an hour. Personally, I didn't come to sit in the bathtub, no matter how pretty it is, but I suppose if money is no object, why not. The girl is going to warm to you or she isn't, the way I figure it, so I don't bother...it is a beautiful room, though.

The problem with all the MPs is that only Corpus and Marilyn's and Brenda's and Venus really understand that us American guys like *slender*. Wading through all those gorditas must be a nightmare for you infrequent visitors, especially since checking out the next place is such a major pain in ass for you.

Tell you what: I hereby make a promise that the Men's Guide will be available in some form by August 1st, 2003; it will have maps, exact addresses, decoy taxi destinations, photos of the exteriors of the places listed, and be very resonably priced. You will also be able to visit a web site and get updated page downloads. I might be able to get it done sooner. Please don't think I am being selfish with the information or profit hungry. I answer all the questions I can as thoroughly as I can right here on the forums, as well as a lot of private emails. Almost everything I plan to put in the Men's Guide is already here or on WSG. But this stuff needs to be all in one place, in one 3-right binder you can put in the suitcase and take with you and have at your fingertips, and that's going to take a quite a bit of work. It's got to be accurate and updateable by means of the internet, or it won't be any good to anyone for long.

The girls' looks vary from time to time and the place definitely is hard to find. But once you're inside the rooms of Genesis MP you'll be treated to something rare in this business: professionalism. It sounds like a commercial, but after several turns at bat there I'm sold.

The affair started more than a year ago with my first trip and an encounter with a doll from Aguascalientes calling herself Sung Hi. Unlike the real life porn actress, this girl had no asian features, but she definitely had good looks, a firm D-cup and smooth skin worth lapping over and over. I hate to use the word 'obedient' when referring to a woman, but this bleached blonde obligued to my every request. I saw her twice and was going to see her a third time when she vanished. I don't know if she went back home, met and married a rich guy or found a 'coyote' to take her to Houston or Dallas or any of the places in the States she said she wanted to go.

Another bleached blonde named Fanny soon filled my emotional void as I filled her bodily cavities. Like Sung Hi, Fanny was always polite and accommodating. Much too much for the $30 a pop visits. It was never a rush and she even liked a little afterplay.

Months later she was gone and I met Hilda, a dark skinned beauty who spent some time in the States and liked to practice her English with me for a few minutes after each session. She didn't mind being touched inside or out. Like the others, one day she just stopped going.

My current flame is Crystal. She's a load of fun from Veracruz who recently dyed her hair blonde. She can swarm all over you with kisses and she definitely sinks her teeth into the job. Our last session on Memorial Day started with some controlled biting, mutual masturbation and a series of hard rides from various positions - good thing the tables are sturdy. After the climax, she quickly got off the table, grasped the width and made sure every last drop and scream were out. Then she let me watch her shower and later dried me up with a towel. I was so happy I told her I would recommend her to my friends.

Now, tell me that you get this treatment at LePetit, Cleopatra, Loryed or some of the other MPs in Juarez?

P.S. The easiest way to find Genesis is to go all the way east on Vicente Guerrero and turn left at the light with avenida Montes de Oca.

I recently went to Genesis and had a good time both times. It's definitely on my list of favorites. Another place I've received great service is el Encanto.

Juarez MPs are a good deal but some are very hard to find. I saw an ad for 2 girls for $30 in the local paper and went to check it out. The MP is in a shopping center at the corner of Panama and Ninos Heroes avenues. The problem is that Panama is one-way northbound and this place is to the south. You have to drive south on Costa Rica then turn left at Ninos Heroes.

Finally made it out there after a couple of tries. It was a weeknight and about an hour prior to closing time so only three girls were left. One was a slim, petite morena with a blonde hair dye, another was young, tall and busty and the other one was about 20 pounds overweight. I picked the first two and we went up the stairs to the larger of three rooms with a table and a chair.

Dahlia, the little one, has quite a sense of humor and we hit it off right away. Before you know it, we were making out in our birthday suits while 36-C Lucy discretely undressed and kinda pretended she wasn't there. After the foreplay with Dahlia she sat me on the chair, got on her knees, slipped the condom on me and started the job. I called Lucy over to fondle and suckle her well-rounded mammaries and moved my other hand around and into all sorts of places.

Just when I was feeling rock hard Lucy took my fingers out of her body and placed my wandering hand on her breasts. "Ella es muy seria. No le gusta que le hagan eso" (She's very formal. She doesn't like people doing that to her), said Dahlia, who immediately noticed my disappointment. I grabbed the tall one by the thighs and lifted her off the ground while still sitting on the chair, kissing and licking from her navel to her breasts hoping to get her in the mood. That left her underside exposed to Dahlia, who couldn't help chuckling while gaggling on the lolly. The two women exchanged verbal barbs and a couple of times Dahlia moved her free hand up Lucy's thigh, pretending she was headed to where I had been. Lucy would thighten her butt but could not close her legs because I held them open in the air. It was too much to hold off any longer and I let Dahlia have it on the mouth. Lucy's breasts muffled my agony for a few seconds, then she wiggled like a fish on a hook signaling she wanted me to put her down. A funny thing happened when Dahlia started to clean me up with a towel. I got hard again right away. Maybe it was the sight of two very physically different naked women or the fact they appeared to be fighting. "Hay que aprovechar el otro condon. Todavia hay tiempo. No?" (Don't let the other rubber go to waste. I still have time left, huh?), I said. Lucy just wanted to get out of there, but Dahlia quickly took my side and reminded the other woman I paid for both.

Lucy leaned toward me to get me ready for the condom while I fondled Dahlia's small breasts and private areas. I did not need much more encouragement so Lucy turned her back to me and started an up and down motion with me still on the chair. I let go of Dahlia and grabbed Lucy's hips for a better ride. Dahlia went over to the opposite side of the poorly lit room and as she picked her clothes from the floor again started to chuckle. "De que te ries?" (What are laughing at?) demanded Lucy. "Es que nunca te habia visto cochar" (I'd never seen you fuck before), was her answer from the smirking Dahlia. The women kept up their feuding with Lucy on the losing end being so exposed. It was an amazing scene and again I felt the life leave from my body.

I collapsed on the chair and Lucy quickly walked away. She cleaned up with a handful of toilet paper, put on her tiny white robe and left the room. Dahlia and I looked at each other and smiled, then hit the shower together. "La hicimos enojar" (We made her angry), I said. "No es en serio. Nomas estabamos jugando" (It wasn't serious. We were just playing), said the mischievous Dahlia.

We got dressed and Dahlia walked me down the stairs. We were holding hands, kissed and said goodbye on the reception area of Musas. I felt dehydrated headed downtown to get a couple of cold beers.

Hard to find is hardly the term for that place Mexmale mentions just above this post. I spend a whole hour one day until I finally found it, and there was nothing there but gorditas, for the grand opening, no less.

However, Brendas is easy to find, is owned by the same father/son team, and also has the 2 girls for $30 special all the time. It's on Hermanos Escobar on the north east corner of Escobar and Ave. de Las Americas. There were a couple of young slender hotties I've been seeing there together this weekend, but neither one of them would go for the 2 girl deal. Both of them want to come to the house sometime and claimed feelings were involved here. Too bad. Not my feelings because I only want to see them there.

I have gained a little insight into why so many of the girls in the MPs are overweight, and I can tell you in one sentence: the slender ones who are willing to work in an MP are hard to find. I have one friend who has a place, and he knows we went slender pretty girls. He interviews them every day of the week, but the pickens' are just as slim for him as the results are for us. So when you find a pretty, slender favorita hang on to her and tell you to call you if she moves.

The slender ones also tend to get married off to Mexican men who find them working there. I've lost four favoritas to marriage now---or is that six or seven, hard to keep track over the years.

I have been really surprised to hear the good reviews on Genesis. In the past there was never, ever, ever anything there but the kind of girls you could waggle your finger at and have 'em.

Which brings me around to some more insight from my friend the MP owner about why Mexican men come to the MPs and will often settle for a big'un. They are buying discretion, secrecy, and the the security to indulge without getting caught. Most Mexican men like slender pretty women same as us...

Well, at least he's trying. He had three great ones for about four months, and I never gave in to the urge to have a threesome with two of them. Next time that chance comes up, I'm taking it...

Heres a question for those of you who frequent the MPS. What are the chances of getting an uncovered BJ? Is it possible with a tip or is it not possible at all? Also any of you guys planning a visit to a MP the second week of july send me an E-mail if you dont mind a tag along. I speak no spanish and am a little intemidated about going to juarez alone. My email is ts4444@go.com

Massage chicas don't make much out of the initial fee that you pay and greatly appreciate tips. If you want something just ask for it (oral sin condon), and negotiate from there. There are many Mexican chicas who won't do a bbbj, but for those that will it's just a matter of agreeing on a price. Dreamingeagle might be able to steer you to places where you might have a decent success rate.

Good luck!

One disclaimer: Even the chicas that will suck without a condom (and many will for the right tip) won't usually do it to completion. If this is what you're looking for it may be harder to find. Personally I've had a lot better luck with titty fucks for external load expulsion, though the average massage chica would be more prone to finish you by hand (servicio 'relax' -- should generally be cheap).

I only know three girls who get carried away and suck before the condom goes on, but they swear they don't do it for anybody else. I don't tip them anything. One of them loves to get dick slapped across the cheek with it. I think she just about comes. The third one was an ex-amante, and lovers just don't usually use condoms.

I should add that I've known both of the MP girls quite a while and that we have "buena onda" in other ways besides sex.

I'd say, though, like Porker indicates, it's very rare since they are conscious of getting diseases.

I have to answer questions like that by suggesting if you want a GFE give'em a BFE and just hope for the best. (Also, at least learn enough Spanish to sound like a well meaning idiot, anyway. She'll be impressed you are making an effort.)

You can't just put a price on everything. If you do you'll get just what you asked for and nothing more. Like the Simon and Garfunkle song says, "Fear is the lock, and laughter the key to her heart."

I've made another observation about a lot of guys posting about their first few experiences, and their posts remind me of my first few times paying for sex in Mexico.

Our programming makes us want a warm experience with a lot of kissing and hugging and stuff. I remember what a tremendous turn-off it was to have her peel down, yank on it a few times, and expect me to get with it. And the way they always had to reach down to put it in before I was ready. But NOT ANYMORE. If she's got a great little body, like a dog, I'm ready now!

Because the reality is that the girl is there to FUCK.

Just make up your mind when you walk into that room she doesn't have to kiss you, suck you, pretend to like the build-up, or do ANYTHING except spread those lovely little legs.

My theory is you be sweet to her and then stick a big hard well lubricated cock down into any young girl in the world and fuck her for a few minutes she is going to come.

You'll get about what you want from her the next time. A typical Mexican girl will save all the kissy-face stuff for later---whether the sex is for money or not. I suspect a lot them (not all) think making love with your faces is kind of silly in the first place. Much as I love to eat pussy, this can be disappointing at times, but I can live without it.

Just give her a big hard boner. Next time tell her you had a dream, and she was on her knees sucking you. She'll get right down on her knees and make it come true.

You can't do it until you have their respect (and that's how to get it), but once you do a Latin girl expects to get orders and be told what to do. When I point to the floor, my favoritas know to get to their knees and get with it, but with a condom, except for the two MP girl exceptions mentioned above. I tell them just when and where to lick and when to suck, smear across their mouths, and they love it.

Kind of a culture shock, but also kind of an alternative morality once you understand it. Why should she give you any of her heart or a good blowjob if you can't FUCK...lol? If you CAN, then she wants to be your little "esclava" (slave) to prove she is the hottest you will ever get. (I'll swear, they are *all* the same.)

Some things may seem contradictory in this post, but, trust me, they are not. I can think of 1500 exceptions to every general thing I've said here, but, in general, I know these things are true.

The girls in Mexico are very different, but not all that complicated. Once you understand them, 99% of the time you can parlay that $20-$30 into a memorable experience for both of you, no matter how hardened she has become---the first time, too.

I like one favorita experience a weekend, and then I look long and hard for a new one I've never had before.

I'm also very careful at some point to let them know I understand they are not prostitutes in their hearts, that they have my respect, because I understand they are there for their kids. (That will win you tons of points, because it's just the truth. If you use it as just a line I hope you wind up in your next life being an abandoned 20 year old female with three little mouths to feed in Juarez, Mexico.)

It'll never happen in my lifetime, but I honestly believe if I drove over one day and saw a big billboard announcing "The flowers of this nation's youth are no longer available for any man with $30!" I would be happy for them...

Really perceiving their humanity and the sacrifice the girls are making is a big part of having a GFE with them. It's not written in any of the Monger Manuals, but it is a fact.

And, like Porker says, don't forget to give her $5 for the good time in an MP. They work on straight salary at one place I know, and they don't get much of what you pay the MP otherwise.



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Flash! Cameras no longer allowed at Genesis MP. So says a big sign at the back entrance. Seems some fool went in there with a Polaroid to document his 2X1 exploits with the girls and got caught. Sorry, guys.

You'd have to be pretty stupid and insensitive to the position of the girls working there to ever try something like that...

As the author of a web site about Ciudad Juarez, I can tell you that taking photographs, even in public places, is a bit more of a sensitive issue in Juarez than it is in the U.S. Apart from at tourist attractions, you don't just whip out the camera and start shooting without permission.

Thanks to all of you that responded to my question. I am sorry it has taken me so long to thank you. I have been unable to get online. Dreaming eagle I agree 100% with your thoughts that these girls are in this line of work not so much by choice but by circumstance and deserve to be treated with respect. Anybody that is working a job to support a family or to better themselves has my respect. This is why I appreciate you guys when you give a gringo like me advice on what to say. As I wish for the girls to know I appreciate their service and think of them not as whores but as a freindly associate I have come to an agreement with. Thanks again everybody for your participation on this site.

Well, look at their choices. If you could earn a few hundred vs. about $50 a week in a maquiladora or restaurant where would you be? I encountered an 18 year old this weekend working her first week in an MP. She has one baby and lives with her elderly parents. Her dad got sick and can no longer work. Her mom is too sick to work. So here is this kid bringing home the bacon for the family. I just held her when she took off her clothes, for some reason these things being on my mind at the time. She responded with her heart beating so hard I could feel it against my chest, and we had a wonderful, timeless encounter.

You don't really notice that most people are struggling in Mexico, because most of them wear decent clothes, look sharp, and have a pretty good attitude. You notice the difference, though, when someone really needs serious medical attention. They don't get it. They usually die. My housekeeper was a wonderful old woman of 90 years old everyone loved and respected. But when she got cancer no one in the family had the money for an operation. She lingered a while in a charity hospital and finally passed away after a lot of suffering. This happens to people a lot younger in Mexico, also.

Families who have a man working in the family have enough to eat and money for things like eating out now and then or buying a TV set, but everything goes to keep the wheels turning. The chance to accumulate anything resembling wealth is hard to come by and usually come with owning a house, just like here, *if* you can ever save up the money for the downpayment. Then there are the really sharp people who get a successful business going, and they often have more money than most of us do. But they are very, very few. If you are dumb enough to get addicted to drugs or alcohol in that environment, you are hopelessly lost.

So this is the background they come from and what the girls are up against. IMHO some of them are heroes for giving everything they make to their kids or families.

When I first got to the border all of these things really bothered me. I mean, just a bridge separates the two countries, but that invisible line we call the border plays an important part in the lives of everyone born on either side of it. You are born here, where you can half-ass it and get by just fine, or you are born there, where only the cream of the crop achieve success and almost everyone is just one paycheck from being on the streets. The way the Mexican people deal with these difficulties while maintaining their mental outlook and determination to beat the odds never ceases to amaze me. However unfair it seems, I finally realized there is nothing I can do about it. Maybe things are this way just to see if anyone else even notices...

So I don't even look at the girl as a whore---just someone doing exactly what I would do if I were in her shoes under those circumstances. I don't even see the flag of a rich country and poor country flying side by side at the border any more---even when the Mexican flag is tattered and worn. Having lived, loved, and even buried my dead there now, I see the flags of two great peoples flying. Somehow difficult economic circumstances strangely brings out the best as well as the worst in people, and I consider my friends in Mexico as equally talented and worthy as my friends here in the U.S. They don't feel sorry for themselves, I can tell you what much.

Dreamingeagle,

Did you ever finish the Men's Guide? I could not find in your juarez website.

Thanks from a long time admirer.

Dreaming Eagle had an attack of political correctness. Don't expect to see the Juarez Men's Guide in book stores anytime soon. Too bad, he's a talented writer and used to know the scene well.

I finally made it to Sirenas (#728 Hnos. Escobar, corner of Panama) a couple weeks back and had a good time. As DreamingEagle mentions, I paid 400 pesos -- nearly 3x as much as I pay in Monterrey -- but it was a 1 hr. no bullshit session, and the girl got me off twice in that time. There was also a 300 peso 1/2 hour/1-pop option that would probably be a good value as well. This place beat the HELL out of Panama Club and the like, although the selection of girls wasn't great on a Saturday evening -- 3 girls working, all a little chunky.

El Encanto masaje parlor (where I had been taken by Fallen once before) is a block away and also had three girls working on Saturday night. There's a bar downstairs called Papagayos, and two damned good restaurants on that same block that specialize in steak. The Hotel Villa Manport is also on that same block of Hermanos Escobar.

Sirena's has a web site now, too, at www.sirena-massageparlor.com. The girls are as pretty as ever as of last month when I dropped by.

"Dreaming Eagle had an attack of political correctness. Don't expect to see the Juarez Men's Guide in book stores anytime soon. Too bad, he's a talented writer and used to know the scene well."

It wasn't political correctness so much as it was a fear publicizing the trade on the Internet was going to come back and bite me somehow. The track record of American's dabbling in the sex business in Juarez has not been a good one...

I didn't see any black trucks after me after Sirena's though, so now we have www.luxxor-massage.com. The mens guide may be around the corner again, and there is a new site by a friend of mine at www.ladiesofjuarez.com. We're just going to have to take this one step at a time.


(Message edited by DreamingEagle on February 18, 2005)

I went to Luxxor this past week and it was awesome. 11 young girls between 7s and 9s to choose from. I picked a beautiful 19-year old young woman and payed 40 (house) and 20 to her for full service. My first time to a MP in Juarez, but it was outstanding. Its about a two mile walk on a hot day, but I'll be going back for sure. Does anyone ever post here any more? Its over a year since the last post.

Very few posts in the Juarez forum nowadays.

Luxxor is a good walk, from my parking spot on the U.S. side it took me half an hour. Not bad, the weather was great that day but just wait until summer time. Be sure to take a big bottle of water and maybe start off early enough and enjoy the sights along the way and maybe a stop off or 2.

BTW, thank you for giving LOJ a try.
Rabidkang (Mugroso)

Doesn't seem to be much reporting on Juarez/El Paso scene. I am planning a trip and would like to find a trip buddy. Anyone interested? It looks like it would be sometime in the month of June. I am flexible.

EverreadyFreddy

heading to Juarez next week on business... gotta check out the scene when i'm there... will report back... wanna try Luxxor out

I walked over the Stanton bridge and visited Luxxor and Serena this afternoon. There were about eight girls in Luxxor and four in Serena. I didn't find anyone to my liking in either place so hiked back to El Paso. I didn't know Stanton bridge was enter to mexico only. I had to walk around to the other bridge west of Stanton. At least I got some exercise. I didn't bring info on other places so didn't get to check on other spas.