Maybe it is burnout, but the scene seems like it isn't what it was a year ago. The excitement is gone and so is some of the talent. Also, the prices have definitely gone up. For the time being, I am staying away. I have discovered a new love for Tijuana. Everything is straightforward there. Probably thousands of women and cheap too. You don't have to do it in a closet before the song ends.

Hey roberto, i live in the valley of the sun as well...email me at xfile69@thexfiles.com , i am planning to go to tj for the memorial day weekend.....I am feeling the same way you are...i like tj because of the better selection and the variety..in nogales, the prices keep going up...everything is rushed, most of the hot talent is gone...tell me when you are going to TJ again......

I tend to agree with you guys concerning the Nogales scene. It's much to my disappointment. For a while, I was thinking that maybe I was ready to progress to something else. My favoritas are all gone, and possibly not coming back. The expense is too much, particularly since I am well known in a couple of the clubs I feel comfortable in and "ficha" whores leach on the minute you are through the door. For once I would like some girl to take care of me from head to toe for a change.
I read the posts on the t.j. side of things and can only fantisize on what I could do with what I spend in one evening here. T.J. is a bit tough for me though, so, for the time being I am going to try to figure out where I need to progress to.

I know too many girls now in Nogales. The pretend like they are jealous when really they are just greedy. One bitch even took a swing at me last time. Everybody is a vulcher, from the waiters to the boleteros to the women. I just got back from T.J. this weekend and it was awesome. I might go back for memorial. Read my posts on the T.J. monger portion.

I made my first visit to Nogales a couple months ago and after being in TJ I have to say I was pretty disappointed. Between the hustlers on the street one of whom was just a plain pain in the ass that followed me to Rio and seemed offended when I wouldnt pay the cover drink for him, and the meseros constantly trying to sell lap and private dances, the place impressed me as one big hustle. The meseros at Rio cracked me up when they quoted $7 table dance, $20 private dance, $30 blow job and $50 for everything. Went to the other side of the tracks too. Cherries was closed, LB, Lipsticks and Placers were OK but nothing all that spectacular. Again the constant hustle for table and private dances really got annoying. I know it isnt TJ; things are different here. Nogi boy from my own estimation one can easily go an entire weekend in TJ on what one could spend for a night in Nogales. $22 dollars gets you an hour in a room with a bed and if its a slow time say early afternoon, its not uncommon to get a chica for$60-70 for the hour too. Best deal is to rent the room for the day about $35 and the chicas can be had for $40-50 for the half hour or more depending on how well you get along.
Happyboy, e-mail me with specifics when youre coming to TJ and maybe we can hook up.

Do you guys ever venture south of Nogales to see what's down there?

Explorer, I have never gone south of Nogales, to be honest, I couldnt tell you where Nogales ends on the south side. Everything is right there at the border. Puerto Penasco, Hermosillo, and Guaymas sound interesting. But I imagine they are a bit further down then TJ to Ensenada. Nogales is definitely a different experience than Tijuana. About the only comparison I could make is the way Chicago Club used to be. A whole lot of very hot chicks per capita. And to me, they dont have as much attitude as some of the Tijuana girls. The only problem is what these guys always bitch about. You got to get off in a little jail cell. Some of them with not too much comfort. Anything more than that is pretty tough to do. Most of the girls dont want to go anywhere else and alot of the hotels dont allow them in even if the girl did want to go with you. I guess every city in Mexico has a Tolerance Zone and they pick and choose how tolerant they want to be. Nogales has limited to a hot sweaty box in the club. Oh, unless you want to pop for $100-$200 bucks and do it in a room like the TJ hotels in the zone. But I would never write off Nogales. Nogales has some very hot girls. If you can deal with the arrangement, its a blast. And the overnighters can be had, it just takes a little work.

You poor bastards!

During my recent "exile" to SE Arizona, I ended up getting bored of Nogales after the first two weeks!

It actually broke me of my weekly habit of visiting Mexican bars.

The only place I really miss is that Burlesque joint. Maybe you fuckers ought to try that joint out. My impression was that you could easily arrange a trip back to the hotel after these chicks get off of work.

I have to agree with all the comments here about Nogales.

Placer's, Lord Black, and Obsessions (tourist rip-off) have all done away with table dances now. Lipstick, Cherry’s, Rio, and Ferni’s still offer them. It appears we might have some club warfare going on. But I can’t imagine how doing away with table dances will help. I’d imagine it would hurt business. I guess the Lord Black/Placer’s crew think they will make more money if they only offer privates.

I made my first trip to TJ last November and like it a lot more than Nogales. Trouble is, Nogales is close and TJ is not.

And it all goes towards what I am after. I want to fuck as many different girls as possible. The problem I have been running into lately is getting too close to some of the girls. They latch on to me for some reason and it interferes with how many different girls I can do while I am there.

Nogales is good for what it is. I just have to keep that in mind. During the 2-for-Tuesday nights, I can usually get a girl to perform FS for $60 total. (Room included). That is only 12 minutes in a chair instead of a half hour in a room with a bed. Before TJ, I thought this was a great deal. Now my perspective on it has changed.

Still, there is some great talent in Nogales. Last night at Placer's I met a young, hot, 18 year-old hard body.

It is sad how Nogales is not as much fun as it use to be. Perhaps things will change. I know I don't go nearly as much as I did last year. The recent price increases along with the new “no table dance” format will only make things worse

damn No Table dance format?? Which clubs? placers and lord black, i was there like two weeks ago...damn how the hell are you supposed to test drive the ladies there...that is whack..just another reason to go to TJ...lol.....

I said that Nogales was over price for what is offer in the Nogales/Juarez Trip Day 1 by Capn Dave and he got all over me. Telling me to stick to TJ. You thought that I call his mother names or something. I'm glad to see others that have been to both places see what I was refering to. TJ have same percentage of hot looking ladies as Nogales. Your experience depends on the lady you're with. Given that, you would have a better time in TJ than Nogales for lot less. When you live in southern AZ like I do, it is close. That is the main reason for me to go down there. Just like the rest of you, it is less and less.

The strip joint pricing in Nogales is like the gasoline pricing. They keep raising it and soon you'll think that $1.50 per gallon is cheap!

I guess I'm asking whether the action in, say, Hermosillo, might be good enough for your Arizona guys to not feel so bad about being so far from TJ.

Hermosillo??!!!

Dude, are you retired or something? It would take HOURS to get down there by car.

From Phoenix it would be MUCH easier to just take a jet to San Diego, rent a car, and go to TJ, than to go to Hermosillo.

It is hard enough for the Phoenix people to go to Nogales in the first place. Even from Tucson it takes awhile to get to Nogales - and then the poor bastards have to pay double the TJ rate just to get jacked-off in a phone booth. I have to admit, those pretty Nogales Placer's chicks can suck/jack you off in 5 minutes - but it is over so fast that you are left wondering; "what the fuck?!". I tell you, it is better just to jack yourself off - ESPECIALLY at those inflated Nogales prices. Thinking about this makes me feel better about how we Californians are getting "fucked in the ass" on utility/gas prices - well at least our "fucking in the ass" bill is cheap!

Here is a little hint for you guys. The roundtrip from phoenix is 310 miles to Nogales. My truck gets 12 miles to the gallon and any overage on my lease is billed at $.15/mile. The round trip requires 26 gallons of gas @ $1.70+. The gas cost is about $44. The driving time is 4+ hours roundtrip. The hotel is $60 unless you stay in Mexico. This is a lot of work for a few privados.

If you plan ahead, you can get a roundtrip ticket on Southwest to San Diego for $67. Once you arrive, you hop on the 992 bus outside the terminal to America Station. There you hop on the trolly to San Ysidro. Total cost $2.25. The flight only takes an hour. The trolley takes an hour or you can hire a cab and you will be at the border even quicker. Sometimes I do the one night trip where I just fly out in the morning after a night of mongering and don't even bother to get a room. The other option is a cheap hotel in the zona. Beer at Adelita Bar is $2 and the women are $50 for a half hour in a clean room. Street girls are only $20.00. This could be the greatest value in North America.

Here is a little hint for you guys. The roundtrip from phoenix is 310 miles to Nogales. My truck gets 12 miles to the gallon and any overage on my lease is billed at $.15/mile. The round trip requires 26 gallons of gas @ $1.70+. The gas cost is about $44. The driving time is 4+ hours roundtrip. The hotel is $60 unless you stay in Mexico. This is a lot of work for a few privados.

If you plan ahead, you can get a roundtrip ticket on Southwest to San Diego for $67. Once you arrive, you hop on the 992 bus outside the terminal to America Station. There you hop on the trolly to San Ysidro. Total cost $2.25. The flight only takes an hour. The trolley takes an hour or you can hire a cab and you will be at the border even quicker. Sometimes I do the one night trip where I just fly out in the morning after a night of mongering and don't even bother to get a room. The other option is a cheap hotel in the zona. Beer at Adelita Bar is $2 and the women are $50 for a half hour in a clean room. Street girls are only $20.00. This could be the greatest value in North America.

That goes double for Roberto!

There was a time that is was good? Not in my lifetime!!!

Westfargo...

WF, when have you been in Nogales?

I've been gone for a month and now I hear that the Nogales scene has all but fallen apart. Hell, this place is practically in my back yard. What a shame.

This last month I spent in Thailand, so now no matter how good Nogales may get in the future, it's just not going to be able to compete. I'm spoiled for life now.

If you think it takes big bucks to hit Thailand, do yourself a favor and read the posts on this place. I flew as an air courier and I paid $430 R/T from LA to Bangkok. The average hotel is about $20/night (for a real nice place). The women will spend a few hours with you for $12 and the whole night for about $40. Add it up. The only real consideration is the time it takes to fly out there and stay long enough to make the trip worthwhile.

What's up Guys?...

I may go to Tucson in acouple of weeks is it worth to drive to Nogales for some action?...

I been going to Tj for years now, but since i'll be in Az for a couple of days, i heard about Nogales but i will like to know the 411.

Thank u,

R

It's a lot of fun the first, second, third times...then it gets hum-drum. I think.
It all depends what you are after and when you will be here. Cherry's is most definitely the early afternoon place, with friendly waiters, not too pushy ticket sellers and a decent variety (garden) of girls. For later on, may lipsticks or rio's is the place.
Let me know if you need more help.

I been to TJ hundreds of times. I think Nogales is a blast, always a good selection of talent, but you definetly spend more money in Nogales than TJ, but to me if you have a great time its worth it.

What time do the clubs close in Nogales on the weekend ?...

3am El Prince

Is there any club that closes later than 3am, i guess i'm used to them closing at 6 am or later, in Tj..

I asked some of the ladies about the how late, some of them said 4am.. on weekends... Fernis, lord black, lipsticks and rio..

went down 7/9....2.5 hour from phoenix...You can leave at 4:00 get to Cherries by 7:00 get 2-3 lap dances until you find the right girl $15+$3 drink ...get your 10 minutes Closet F@#$ $60.00...go over to Rio...get 2-3 more dances....$15+$3 get your closet F*&^ $60.00 (RIO has bay far the best closets with the black foot rest that is "just" big enough for the girl to lay on)....leave by 12:00...stop in Tucson for gas and to change your shirt and underwear...throw away the evidence...home by 3:00am
...$30 gas...$4 mcdonalds parking...$156 entertianment..... Total $190.00

All in one night with a great alibi..."Honey I did not do so well at the casino"......better yet don't tell her about the $200.00 you won..

Or....you can drop $100.00 plus at the local strip joints in Phoenix and go home with "Blue Balls" and a "Black Eye" from the bouncer that threw you out because you "touched her leg"

No doubt in my mind TJ is better, but for logistics it is much easier to go th Nogales..TJ you have to make plans, excuses etc. to go to San Diego..etc...BTW...Saturday morning Deep Sea Fishing is a great excuse...but you have to have friends go with...Nogales you can go by yourself on the spur of the moment...

If I score a $200.00 hit at the casino poker game...I may rack up and head South....

Sunday night was lame. I went down for the hell of it and didnt expect much but with fewer girls and customers I thought at least the prices would be good. Not so. I'm thinking TJ or Mexicali for next trip to Mexico. Every time I leave Nogie I complain about the closets and say I wont go back but, eventually, I go back.

Kandew, I wouldn't go to Nogie much either if it were just for fucking in the closet for 6 minutes. Score a hotel date or get one of Jesse's girls. The only thing I'm getting tired of is waiting until 4 AM for chicas to get off work for a hotel date. But I've scored several hotel dates from Cherry's girls getting off work. And I think I'm just going to start paying the barfine to get them at the other clubs before they get off work. BTW, I've never paid more than $100/hr for hotel dates.

I only had until 10:30 and was hoping something would happen at Cherries. I was there for a minute but it might as well have been closed. Monserat offered $100 including the hotel but I didnt have time. She does seem to be one who will take 40 or even 30 and figure its better than nothing.

Kandew!!! I was wondering the streets sunday night looking for something to do. Wish I knew you were in town.

I know that it takes a little more effort but the local girls are the best buy. They are usually are very happy for anything you do for them. One girl, after I paid her 70.00 for 2 hours, asked me to go to dinner with her and she paid!

Bluelight,

I tried calling you a couple times before I left on the pff chance you didnt go Saturday or had nothing to do and wanted to head back.

thanks for calling me kandew...lol..oh well maybe next time..

Sorry. I was trying to get ahold of him because I figured he would have gone and could give me an idea of how busy it was. You didnt miss much.

Anything new in Nogie? Or is it still as lame as it has been all summer. I think it is about time to take a trip south to pick up some fresh meat for Nogie. A few more young bi sexual nymphos that are not PG might be just what Nogales needs. Anyone up to a mission like this?

things may be looking better for Nogales this weekend. There is a fiesta of some kind there. People say that there should be many non pro girls there. also the best places to be last weekend was
Titanic and Fernis. Got BBBJ and sex from the cousins for the cost of a 2 for 1 VIP. The same at Fernis. Local girl action was good. A girl that looked like Liv Tyler 2 hours for 60.00. I know that she has friends if anyone is interested.

I'm interested papa c.....

Got rained out from work for 2 days so I decided to try out the tuesday night scene in Nogales. Looking back on the night it was almost a waste of time and money. In all of the clubs many of the best girls were gone. Some home for the week and some just not working. No lap dances or private dances for me,nothing there worth while.Half of them asking for a hotel date after work and the other half of the girls just too bored with their work to even do that. So I hear myself saying, what the hell I am drunk enough,I might as well see what is going on at Lord Black.....con't on LB.

It is official. Nogales now really, really sucks ass. Especially Lord Black and Placer's.

I get a kick of Mexinomics. I guess no one in Mexico knows the basic concepts of supply and demand.

Regardless, Placer's and Lord Black now require THREE FUCKING PRIVATES at $22 a pop or else they won't let you close the curtain. So you get 18 minutes for $66 and THEN have to pay the girl, who still wants starts off at $60 - $80, but will take $40 - $60 will heavy negotiating.

I eventually did one private with Kathy. The privates were completely empty on a Friday night except for us. This is quite unusual for Placer’s. She gave me heavy pressure to purchase the fucking private room at $220. Promised me BBBJ, and two pops in 40 minutes of time. Told her no.

My guess is that eventually conventional wisdom will pay off and the owner will stop this ridiculous policy. It will probably be pressure from the girls because they need privates to get money for sex and if no one is buying three privates, no one is having sex.

But the prices have steadily risen in Nogales and it really isn't worth it for more than just pop unless you are REALLY horny.

Southwest has four flights from Tucson to San Diego daily for right around $100.

Prices in TJ are still the same. $61, or $71 with a half hour in a bed. With prices for top talent in Nogales now running $104 - $126 for 18 minutes in a closet, I think I am about to write off Nogales completely.

I remember the days when privates were $15 each and the girls took $40-$50. That was worth it. These new prices are not.

i guess its best to go on tuesdays and get the two for one specials... Or just head to TJ every eight weeks or so, better value there...
i remember the old redsnake posting days when you can get sexo, and two privates, total of $50....

the 2 for 1 sounds like a great idea. but last Tuesday it seemed like the best girls were not working

Xen, am I reading this right? If you only buy 1-2 VIPs, you have to leave the curtain open?? WTF??? That's fucking ridiculous.. So, does some dude stand outside the VIP and watch you get it on if you only buy 1-2 VIPs or ?? Those guys are indeed idiots (the new owners/management). The customers hate them, the girls hate them.

I suppose the other bars will inevitably pick up the slack, as well they should. I hope not for the sake of the dancers at LB/Placer's, but it's inevitable.

This IS typical "Mexicanomics" - business is bad so jack up the prices and piss off your customers. Sheesh...

PS - last couple times I was in LB (including lasst weekend), I was offered 20 minutes for 2 VIPs from the tall ticket seller with the moustache and who wears the pink/tan shirt and tie (don't know his name). That's a pretty good deal by Nogie standards if you can get it. Not sure if that would fly now, though.

Lord Black and Placers blow. Just boycott these joints. I enjoy Rio, Cherry's, and Lipstick still. Obsession is much improved now. If you want TJ style, go to La Conga. Just don't do Paula as she smells. Try Maira instead. There are at least two other good looking girls too.

You hit it on the head: "Mexicanomics 101" -- The number of sales go down-- RAISE the price!!!. I think that a lot of these club owners think we "think" like mexicans. If its good, then keep raising the price until nobody comes, then...go out of business!!

Really, I think that they get sometimes a bit greedy and see how much they can drag out of us gringos's.

Most likely their targets are the UA students and other unfortunate souls who do not know of, or have access to this board.
With the "spring events" coming up, spring training, spring break, etc. It is a good time to raise the prices. Fortunatly for us there are quite a few competitors, that we can do out business with.

I really stoped going to Placers and Lord Blacks when they raised their prices for laps, although I'll occasionaly scout it for some obviously hot looking chicas.

Remember how Lipsticks used to be the place!. Then they got greedy, raised the prices across the board. The hot chicas left, the place went downhill, and still hasn't fully recoverd

I'll continue to scout these places , but I'll make my regular hangout Rio's.


OG

As you guys know, Tucson is back on my regular work travel rotation now, so I've been to Nogie a few times in the last couple of months. Prior to the last few months, I hadn't been down there in over 5 years. My only advice is to create a place like La Tropa in TJ. Maybe La Congo, maybe a place like Lipstick. Get Dragoncelt and everyone who has a Nogie mongering website to agree on the place as well. Get some leverage, and maybe you can change one place into someplace nice.

OG is very correct. We are a very small subset of mongers, so we really can't "de-mexicanize" the thinking process of the bar owners. But, as LT has shown, there is a chance that a savey bar owner, just one probably, can be shown the light.

PimpDaddys in Nuevo Laredo is another example as well. It can be done.

This topic has a very funny name to it.
What does it mean getting lame ?>
Everyone that i know that has visited there says it sucks and everyone that is a regular there says it sucks so i guess there is no masterdebate.

Horray for 100 dollar 9 min lap dances !!!

You Nogie guys i feel bad for you save up your dough or steal it from Mr bill and come on down here to TJ and get your monies worth !!

see ya
Milk

I don't know..... It would take me about a half hour longer to get there....and I wouldn't really save any money, I would just have more girls. It would be nice though to go somewhere that the girls don't all know me.

Catocony, I think that was part of what Dragoncelt was trying to do with his private party at Obsessions. The management might have seen the advantages of catering to mongers. A small investment that night might have paid off big in the future. now, well ......

with the "three private dance minimum" at LB and Placers, the business has seemed to bog down a bit.. Lord Black was about half empty on a saturday night, kinda odd, and the dancers (including baby) said the three dance minimun upstairs is killing business.. Placers, however was pretty crowded, but i didnt see a lot of action going upstairs.. I also noticed that the ladies at placers and lord black arent as animated and wild like they were in the past, when they would come up and grind on you, grab your dick and give you a free table dance... Nogales really sucks now..

It is kinda odd that business has slowed down because of this. Who would be happy with just 2 private dances anyway

In Lord Blacks I'm happy with the comfy seats!
They take the pain out of my ass after an afternoon at Cherry's.

I'll see if the 2 vip minimum is still in effect tonight . . .