I am getting on the plane out of here at 12 noon. Just wanted to sum up a few points from the report...

1. Do not trust anyone especially the ladies. Do not expect a GFE experience.

2. When dealing with the ladies, spell everything out in detailed Spanish and do so as if you are dealing with an idiot. Ask lots of clarification questions..i.e. Lady: "Two for one happy hour papi! 1500!" You: "So does that mean you get 750 and she gets 750? Will you leave when I cum? What if I dont cum for 2 hours? When will you leave? Will you leave when I cum or after 2 hours? Will you pressure me to cum? Will you at any point raise the price while in the room?"...Keep asking questions until everything is thoroughly spelled out leaving absolutely no guesswork.

3. You will get ripped off at some point during the trip to Sosua even if you do speak Spanish...just depends on how much. Expect it.

4. Do not bring anything that you cant afford to lose. Leave gadgets which cost over $300 back at home. Take as little stuff as you can get away with. Never leave anything out in the room even small items like cellphone chargers.

5. When you see the police, they are probably shaking down someone for cash. Leave the area and do not observe what they are doing.

6. New Garden is a dump, but a lot of mongers seem to love it. Tierra Linda is a much nicer hotel for just a little more although you may not meet other mongers there. Do not eat at the New Garden unless they give you the food for free. There are many other restaurants in the area with surprisingly good food. The restaurant at the Tierra Linda is fine dining and you can expect to get a very good meal.

7. Blackbeards is probably the safest mongering hotel in the DR, but it is a remote place away from the scene. You take from the pool of ladies that BB's lets in the door. Taking from the selected pool can have its advantages and disadvantages. You might get bored after a few days although you still have access to the beach. It wont be the same party scene as Sosua.

8. You will probably spend entirely too much during the trip and probably on the ladies. The ladies will probably short you on the time causing you to go back out looking for more and then you spend even more money. Remember the DR trip report where the guy spent $1800 in a little over a week...just on the women? Pace yourself. Exercise discipline.

If you dont stay at either the New Garden or Blackbeard's then you will probably not meet any mongers. You can meet other mongers and network easily at those locations. So if you want to be social then stay at the New Garden, but if you dont really want to meet anyone and just do your business then go with the others. Keep in mind that its better to monger as a group in this location for safety purposes.

I did see a sign for another "adult hotel" so there are probably more variations of Blackbeards and New Garden out there.

DR seems to be an East Coast monger type place and that usually means overspenders, elderly mongers and amateurs.

The issue for West Coast mongers is that prices for flghts to the DR are few and extremely expensive.(Might as well go to Asia or Brazil)

I certainly would not say overspenders....it is actually not that expensive of a destination. Plenty of happy hours, hotels not that expensive, etc. Very popular destinations for Germans - and they are certainly not high spenders.

From the West Coast it might not be such a good destination, but from Miami it is only about an 1 1/2 flight, for less then $200 most of the time.

Portege the whole city and every single hotel, motel and apartment is jam packed wall to wall mongers, so you are bound to bump into them around every corner. The whole island knows that you go to Sosua to work or too hook up with putas.

Blazers: I definitely won't deny the amateur or overspending weekend warrior monger will always frequent there, but it definitely can be very economical and affordable for the experienced monger for a weekend get away.

"DR seems to be an East Coast monger type place and that usually means overspenders, elderly mongers and amateurs."

Shit, I wish I had ten baht for every fat old Californian throwing buckets of ping pong balls at Thai girls in Pattaya.

I respect the logic though. I wouldn't travel from the East Coast to Tijuana for example since it's too expensive a locale by all reports with not a lucrative enough scene. No need to hate though on all the youthful, money savvy Californians I'm "sure" typify the TJ mongering scene.

"overspenders, elderly mongers and amateurs".

You just described the bulk of the customers in TJ, and most of them are from the West Coast.

Not to end on a negative note and I wasn't too serious about Blazers' post either, I just want to say good report Portege.

You've definitely made Sosua sound like a good destination if tickets aren't too dear while also giving realistic expectations of the pitfalls. At less than $500 a ticket I have no excuse not to check it out.

The one big advantage (for east coasters) is there is no jet lag and its just a 3 hour flight out of NYC or a very short flight out of Florida. No sitting in the same place for 24 hours. Everytime I have flown to Asia, I would get a very high fever and real sick. A large part of that, in my non-medical opinion, is the jet-lag. I think the jet-lag brings down my immune system and makes it easier for me to get sick.

For someone on the west coast, then it probably would not make sense as a destination, but for folks in the tri-state or Florida area (not sure if there are flights to the DR from other east coast destinations) it makes sense. Right now, I just got off the plane and back home. If I was coming from Asia or Brazil, then it would be a lot longer and there would be a much longer recovery time. I remember times where I was sick for over a week after coming from Asia.

There are some guys out there with certain responsibilities that do not allow them to take super-long flights. Maybe they have a short vacation time or maybe they are in a responsible position at work and need a quick recovery. You have to weigh out the advantages and disadvantages.

I would recommend to get a bunch of mongers together and go as a group. Get a block of rooms at one of the hotels...maybe they will give you a deal if you rent a block. It was easy to meet mongers at the New Garden though and that made the experience more fun. There was a few guys there that knew Spanish, we pooled resources together and that made it easier when dealing with the ladies. We were all from completely different backgrounds, but everyone was very friendly especially because they were getting laid...Its definately more fun in numbers rather then solo in the DR.

(Message edited by Portege on September 28, 2010)

Suddenly my Dominican trip to the Viking Resort doesn't seem all that bad anymore...

nice report portage , i will agree with the NYC Thug crowd over spenders , these guys smoke dope all day at new garden wearing gold bling and piss money on the girls like its a rap video , fucking stupid , but whatever makes you happy as they always treated me fine..........funny last trip some chica jacked a chain off some guy and ran , right in front of new garden in early morning hours.....dumbass called the cops and they arrested him for having some dope on him...... his buddies got him out but it cost them , so yea keep your gold bling chain at home....

" i will agree with the NYC Thug crowd over spenders , these guys smoke dope all day at new garden wearing gold bling and piss money on the girls like its a rap video , fucking stupid"

LOL...that is totally on the money! I was laughing my ass off the last time I went there a few years back...buch o'dudes trying to look to cool with the cheap shades and big dollar sign necklace, trying to dance like they are in some kind of NYC underground club...you should hear what the chicas say..

Nice reporting bud!

My take on the DR is: if you only have a few days and access to a cheap and short flight and you speak spanish a bit...sure why not? Otherwise many much more intersting places.

I did have a lot of fun in the countryside when I rented a car however, some nice fresh chicks at the smaller towns. But no english at all and action mostly just weekends.

Port- Thank you for your informative, descriptive overview of Sosua. As someone who has been to the North Coast of the DR several times you were spot on. I just returned from a North Coast trip a couple of weeks ago and will be writing a trip report soon.It was fantastic! Just waiting for my pictures.

Waiting for your pictures?? Did you send them out to the FOTOMAT? lol

If you dislike the Snoop Dog rap video bro's where the 20-60yr old black men dress like they're extras in the Snoop Dog "Beautiful" video. DO NOT GO to the D.R.

I just added the last of the pictures to the Day 3 thread. These women do look really good, but make no mistake...they are dangerous. You might not know what I mean now, but you will when you get there and walk off the plank.

I only suggest this place to the seasoned monger who has a strong common sense and street smarts...you will see what I mean when you get there;)

Sorry, but once again I need to jump in to give a different perspective....it is a very easy mongering destination, no experience necessary...just common sense! Street smarts is a requirement anytime when dealing with putas anywhere... Wow, what different perceptions exist.

I would say most mongers start off their career in in Mexico (i.e. TJ), Costa Rica, and I would group DR into this as well. From there the real exotic places start calling....DR certainly is not one of those by any means.

DR is a beginner level destination!

I've been all over DR, and never once had a problem ( except women fighting over me}.Unless your a fat , old mess, the action is real good. i asked a waitress out on a date , treated her nice, went dancing and had a couple of wild sessions for no pesos. My buddy hooked up with a pit boss at the casino in Puerto Plata and went back and visited her a few times, no $ exchanged. Putas will find you at almost any cantina, bar, etc, so its the best of both worlds.....nice report

Portege, I dont think you get out much, do you? lol

D.R. is the capital starting point for rookie mongers to get their feet wet. All thats needed is some street smarts. It ranks amongst some of the easiest mongering on the planet IMHO. EVEN IF YOU ARE FAT and a HUGE MESS like Johnny says.. are your pockets deep? Absolutely no problem!

I only suggest this place to the seasoned monger

The destination is 2-hour flight to a beach resort city, the hotel has a website that is in Engish, it has internet in the hotel, and caters almost exclusively to americans, you could pay in US dollars and at the first signs of any problems it would probably take at most 5-10 minutes that you could find someone who speaks english and be back in a comfort zone. Other than maybe not have a McDonald's there, I don't know how easier it can get.

Try going to the little beach towns outside Havana, Cuba to try and pick up the local girls -- No cell phones, no internet, credit cards don't work, no one speaks English. Now there's a challenge.

I will tell you actual stories...things that happened over a three day period which I witnessed. The amount of incidents seemed unusual. I never saw so much happen in such a short time. Here are the list of incidents:

- There was a guy I met while sitting around for breakfast. He had an incident with the police. The women called the police on a guy that was staying at the New Garden supposedly not for paying. I suspect the truth is there was probably a purposeful or unpurposeful misunderstanding. The ladies try to upgrade the price after the initial negotiations and that guy probably thought he was being ripped off. Well, he shorted the woman and showed her the door.

The police came and another seperate guy, the guy I met at breakfast, tried to step in to moderate the situation with negative results. I asked him what happened exactly, but he wouldnt say. The police were there for a while and I dont think the results were positive. If the results were positive then he would have said, but he was probably too embarassed to say what really happened with him and the police.

- An ex-pat living nearby was visiting the New Garden. He knew the owner who is an older white haired guy that comes around every so often. He was having breakfast with us all and explained that a woman just stole his laptop. He fell asleep and it got swiped.

- Another guy that I met there claimed to have his wallet pickpocketed.

- Another guy said his watch was swiped by one of the ladies.

- I heard through the grapevine about a guy staying at another place who got his camera stolen.

- The guy who ran the horse ranch told me all kinds of stories involving the ladies. He lived there for 4 years.

- There was a man/kid team who tried to pickpocket me. The kid sounded the horn on a motorbike which made me look. Then the guy purposely bumped into me. My hand was in my pocket and I felt his hand quickly going there.

- I had one woman who tried to upgrade the price while in the room saying that I took too long when I only took about 40 minutes (original agreement was for 2 hours).

- One guy paid a woman 3000 pesos who agreed to stay all night. The guy knew Spanish and he made it clear what the rules were going to be. The woman still cleared out early.

- I saw the police shakedown a few of the motorbike guys in a harsh physical manner. The bars were usually packed with ladies, but when the police showed up the bars seemed to clear out.

- Most of the women followed the same line with all the guys. They basically agreed to 2-3 hour sessions, but they would last anywhere from 30-60 minutes. The ladies would then be promptly back on the block trying to get another guy.

- Shopping was an all out experience in haggleing. I wanted to buy a boony cap for the horse ride, but then found myself standing there for 30 minutes getting the woman from $25(no way was it worth that much) down to like $6. The vendors seemed to throw out obscenely high prices and were just rip-off artists in general.

Over a 72 hour period, there were enough incidents for me to come to the conclusion that this place is for the "seasoned monger". There were incidents in other places of the world I have been, but the volume here seemed rather high.

I can imagine a first time monger going to this place, having his laptop/camera/wallet taken, getting in trouble with the police, having the ladies take advantage of him, and just getting taken for a ride. All of the guys I met at the New Garden seemed to have a hard-luck story where they were getting taken for a ride...even the ones who have been to the DR a few times and knew Spanish. One guy told me that everyone gets scammed there...its just a matter of "how much".

I think I have explained enough about this issue offering specific examples. If you dont believe me or think I am full of shit, then thats up to you. I know what I experienced and what I saw. I suggest you go down there and experience it for yourself. If you had no issues in the DR, then good for you, but thats not my experience and not the experience of the other mongers I met at the hotel or even ex-pats who have lived there for years.

I had a very good time, but would change things on the next trip. I would limit myself to one smaller carry-on taking a netbook vs a full sized laptop and a point/shoot camera versus a DSLR. Take a little less clothes and just the very bare essentials. I would also get the pac-safe net along with a long skinny masterlock to seal the closet door so it could not be casually opened by the ladies.

Early on, I would pair up with a Spanish speaking monger and get firmer agreements in Spanish with the ladies...I mean the exact details of what is to occur. I would not pay the ladies who chased me (those seemed to be the scammiest) and instead pursue the ones sitting down quiet or off to the side. The aggressive ones seemed to want just a quick time session so they could go back out on the town again.

I would not jump on any one woman immediately and just do the slow hang out until the right one comes along.

So thats how I would do it...

Thanks for this good report Portege.
I will go back in Sosua sooner or later, liked it too much the last time.
But you know for me the security aspects were non-existent.
I do bring expensive MacBook Pros and Nikon DSLR and IPhones all over the world and never had an issue.
I think the DR is still a good short time / short flight destination.
Good ambiance, good music, plenty of asses to bang, really easy, good weather.
Shit i am back from Thailand/Cambodia, i tell you miss these 4 hours flights BAD !!!
Zen.

Did you guys not read Portege's "reports" and "opinions" about Asia over in the AC and Thailand threads? If so, that would put his Sosua report in the proper light.

Sosua is a dirt-cheap destination for dirt-cheap low-grade hookers. Bottom of the barrel in looks, but with decent service and a no-fuss environment. Now that there are a lot more flights into Puerta Plata direct from the US, it's very easy to get to. But, it's not a high-end destination by any stretch of the imagination.

I would have to challenge you on some of those contentions...

"dirt cheap"- Everyone I know, including myself, and the ones in the trip reports seem to spend a load of cash. One guy in the reports spent about $1800 in a week's time just on the ladies. I spent about $600 in just 3 days time. I was telling the guys at breakfast how much I spent and one guy turned to me to say that he spent 3 grand in about a week. Two other guys I went to dinner with seemed to be out of cash.

The thing that makes it expensive is the woman's propensity to make the time as short as possible so they can get back out there. I think the Passion bar is a deal because you have some guarantee the woman is going to stay with you. The prices seem high, but you are not going to go back out looking for the ladies if you are occupied by just one lady.

The hotel, a dump, at about $60 a night isnt "dirt cheap". I didnt think it was a good value.

Somewhere here I was saying to exercise some discipline because it is easy to spend money over there...

"Bottom of the barrel in looks", "low grade hookers"- I thought many of the women were very good looking. The only issue I had with them was the leaving earlier then planned. As I said, it wasnt exactly a GFE experience like in the Phils. They were ready to bolt after the first pop. Some of these ladies were very hot looking in the skimpy outfits.

The sex was unbelievable with all of them. They all did whatever I asked them to do. The blowjobs were incredible. The only issue of contention was the time. They all said a few hours, but then would try to bolt out the door in less then an hour.

"Decent service"- I would say it was horrendous service. They didnt live up to the initial agreement most of the time and would try to upgrade the price. Had to keep my wallet on a leash.

"Its not a high-end destination"- That again depends on where you stay and where you go. If you stay at some of the hotels then it can be high end. The Terra Linda seemed like a very nice hotel and the restaurant was fine dining. The steak, the ribs, etc...that was good eating. The Passion bar is a much higher end outfit then the other bars.

Im a very picky eater and the Terra Linda's food was some of the best I have had especially those huge racks of ribs. Probably one of the reasons I spent $600 in a few days. The rooms at the Linda are first rate.

http://www.terralindaresort.com/

"No fuss environment"- Haha. These women are anything but no fuss. I think they can get very emotional and you have to be really savvy to counter some of their tricks. These women will scream and fight you yelling "no!" trying to get the price upgraded. I saw as one monger got the police called on him because the lady thought the money was short. If you go to Sosua thinking the women are going to be "no-fuss", then you have another thing coming.

All these issues I am pointing out here are managable and can be countered. You just have to have a few trips under your belt to this destination to know how to counter it. Like I said, I think knowing some more Spanish and getting very firm agreements is one way to tackle it. The other way to tackle it is to meet up with the other mongers at the destination and compare notes. The same women seem to cruise the strip all the time either giving good or bad service. So if someone staying at the New Garden had a bad experience with Sylvia then you know to avoid her. I had a great time with the lady named Jackie which one monger gave a 5-star. He called her over, introduced me and then off we went.

I think the moral of the story is to stay away from the beginner mongers that stay in Sosua. Can shit be stolen, of course....is there drama with the girls, of course! Can it be avoided....of course!!!! I guess I am defending Sosua so much only because I thought it was such a fun place to stay. Even without mongering, DR is a resort location...great weather, cheap, close to the southern US, with plenty of P4P girls at reasonable prices. Is it necessarily the best mongering location in the world - of course not, but it really does not get easier then DR. I am as white as it gets, but yet did not have one single problem with a girl, police, or whoever else, during my two trips there....why? because I know what to expect...it is the same shit that girls will give you in any other mongering location....Not one single moment did I feel threatened, in danger, or anything...just to the contrary, I was thinking to myself this was just a great beach resort area to hang-out with P4P action readily available. I am already planning a 3rd return trip with my Miami buddies!

Latin women are generally full of BS & drama...again, if you have never traveled to a Latin American country, then yes this might be new to you. Otherwise, same shit...Colombia, Brazil, etc, Latin P4P girls & money will generally result in some interesting experiences.

Also, if you get your crap stolen - Well, then you don't possess common sense...again, common sense being a theme here in staying well in any place. Lock up your shit (or hide it), don't leave stuff laying around, and just avoid showing off (which some guys love to do, even with putas - I just don't get this, but that is another story).

DR is a basic beginner destination!!!! Period....

Common sense!!!! Remember - Common sense!!!

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"Decent service"- I would say it was horrendous service. They didnt live up to the initial agreement most of the time and would try to upgrade the price. Had to keep my wallet on a leash.

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I know that Gooch, which is why his report is bi-polar to say the least. You know my opinion on the Dominican, I stand by my assessment from 3.5 years ago that Dominicans are the dumbest people I've ever met - anywhere. Sosua is certainly more laid back than Santo Domingo, and a lot cheaper, but the girls are also pure peasant. And black, so no real variety up there.

Portege's posts seem to have a common pattern. For every piece of accurate information, there are two that no one else on the planet has ever seen or can verify. He considers $60 on a hotel room to not be cheap, but then throws large cash at cheap hookers. He'll also disagree with veterans on a subject that he's done once, even though the vets - like you - have far more extensive experience.

"He considers $60 on a hotel room to not be cheap, but then throws large cash at cheap hookers."

I didnt throw that money at the women with a sound mind though. I got caught up in the action taking way too many ladies away from the party scene. Then all of a sudden I looked in my pocket and whoosh, gone. There were more ladies then the ones I photographed and it was like a parade in and out of the room.

Thats why I say you have to exercise some discipline otherwise you get caught up in whats going on and the money goes like that. I thought I was bad, but the guy next to me at breakfast spent 3 grand in a week. Whooaahh!

Catocony, if you have 3.5 years on the scene then you are welcome to publish your own report with your own observations. So far you just good at trolling the report, why not create a report of your own? I put my head out there by authoring a report and you never see me trolling the trip reports. If you want to be king of the DR scene, then put up or shut up. We should take your word for it...a guy who doesnt post reports or pictures of the DR and sits here trolling the reports?


"Then why would ANYONE want to go there?"

Hey, the service was horrendous. The ladies leaving early and trying to upgrade the price in the room. It was a problem that I pointed out, but I also gave the answer to the problem which were:

- Blackbeard's - They have tighter control over the ladies. Issues like that are fewer, but Blackbeard's is away from the scene.

- Passion's Bar - You pay more, but the ladies are a more guaranteed deal and you have someone to complain to if it doesnt work out.

- Get firm detailed agreements in Spanish spelling everything out.

- Take it slow observing the scene. Dont just jump in feet first taking home any lady. I thought the ones that approached me seemed to be more of a liability where as the ones sitting down I was most successful.

- Monger in groups pooling resources. If one guy knows Spanish, then things get a lot easier.

- Get to know the scene and talk with the ladies. Use psychology.

Why go to the DR?

- Short/cheap flight making it easier for certain mongers. Some guys dont have that time to travel or to recover from the flight.

- Lots of Black and Brown ass to go around. Big-ass/Big-tit women. This board aint just about Asian or Latin ass my friends. What about the blacks and the browns? I had a few Black women but didnt really get the pictures of them...that and too many Presidentes eh.. Only these lighter skin chicas seemed to let me take the photos probably because I saw them by the pool and I was more sober. Go figure.

- Good place to monger as a group.

If you read through the report, I pointed out obvious issues, but also gave solutions...

This picture says a thousand words about Catocony. Lots of words, talk, trolling and smack, but no report or pictures.

Dumbass,

When did I say I was king of the DR? I do know the real kings, like Gooch and JimmyDR and a couple of others, who certainly have a different view on things than you do. But I limited my visits to a grand total of one, seeing as the island is low minor leagues for mongering purposes.

As to the rest, if you did other research, you would find out two things. One, I never post pics because I don't take them. When I used to take pics, I didn't post them because of rats who would tell women about them. I'm a Brasil monger, got it? Second, I update individual threads on individual topics in places I go.

So, put in about 35 trips to Brasil, dozens of others to spots all around Central America and the Caribbean, untold hops across the fence into Mexico, a hundred nights in Montreal, Vancouver, Toronto and other spots north of the border, living in Europe and Asia where mongering was a daily event, and living in the Middle East where trading a filipina a dinner and a few beers for a night of sex was a near-nightly event.

Then you can post all of the ignorant trip reports that you want to. You sound quite a bit like some former members of this board - Roblaw most closely - who take a trip or two somewhere and suddenly feel the need to expound on the socio-economic and anthropological situation in said somewhere. Thus, an ugly chick is suddenly "Taino". No, she's just an ugly mulatta you happened to bang, then posted the pics here where we've commented on the pics. Or, your famous bitching about how all the guys on the Asia board "lied" to you by not telling you about all of the one-star places you could be staying for $10 a night or the lovely buffets where you could eat for $2. After one trip - or was it actually before you even went? - you were correcting guys who have been out there for decades.

I have not been there in over 3 years and I have no plans of returning any time soon since I discovered Medellin Colombia.

Agree about Cat though. All talk and no action....like 90 percent of the Brazilian mongers on this board. Brazil is an ever-evolving scene yet all of the brazil vets on this board just waste time with inside jokes and making fun of Jaguar.

Blazers,

Tell you what - you start going to Brasil 4-6 times a year, and each time, write a detailed report of every garota you bang and post all the pics you want. Then tell us the first time you have a raving mad garota - or several of them at the same time - screaming at you, in your favorite putaria, bar, restaurant or just out on the street because some other asshole downloaded the report and gave it to her, or told her about it. Or went up to her and said "I saw a photo of you on ClubHombre...." Or "I read you barebacked XYZ on the internet, will you bareback me too?".

That shit doesn't happy much out in the land of androgynous women who all look the same roll in and out by the thousands on a monthly basis. It happens frequently in Rio since a lot of the girls stick around for while and generally know how things operate.

Still, always funny to hear from a guy who still hasn't gone to Brasil after years of bashing everyone on this board who does.

You can write a report talking in generalties and your perceptions of each terms etc but nada. With your misplaced androgenous comment...maybe you didn't realize tht I have been to Guatemala, Colombia, Costa Rica, and Cuba in the last 3 years and TJ 7 times a month. Again, no excuses for all the Brazil vets who not only don't write reports but don't even write current useful information.

I absolutely don't care where you've been nor where you plan to go. My only question is, you constantly bitch at Brazil vets for not writing reports or current useful information. If you read the threads, you will find current useful information.

So, what exact information do you find lacking about a place you've never been and don't plan to visit?

Catocony,

I used to get offended at such remarks until I learned the magic formula and it put my mind more at ease. Here is the formula:



You should realize these reports are just all opinion. There is no reason to get excited about them and start shouting out names. I wonder how you are on those forums where they pit the Mustang vs. the Camaro.

I went on the trip, I posted a few pictures and threw in some comments. You may not have liked the women I picked, ok, but who cares...I had a good time with them anyway despite what you or others may think. I outlined where to stay, where the bars are and how to get there. I told you about a few things I heard and what happened to me. Threw in pictures of the hotels, beach and bars which I dont think any DR monger has ever posted. I dont know if it will be different for the next guy who goes, but I am just telling you what I experienced and my opinion on it all.

It is fairly easy for me to make a second trip because of the short flight. The largest issue for myself is that monster plane ride to other destinations. One of the guys there was saying how he goes a few times each year and now he no longer picks up from the bars. He has some established women who he sees and that stay with him when he is there. Obviously, he had a different strategy, but it seemed to work for him. When I go next time, then I will try a different strategy too.

The beauty of it is that Jetblue is constantly offering cheap fares and the time for me to get there is about 3 hours give or take. If I can fine tune the routine a bit so that the ladies are not running out the door in less then an hour, then I would have no qualms. I had no problem with the looks of the ladies and the fucking was incredible. One of the ladies hurt my hip I think from the bouncing up and down.

Im not certain if I can stand the New Garden and probably will go with the fancier Terra Linda.

(Message edited by Portege on September 30, 2010)

Blazers,

I wouldn't brag about multiple TJ trips

And, honestly, Cat's right about the fact that there is rarely new, useful information about Rio in particular. We got some new info today, compliments of Jag, but the venues don't change much. It's not like AC where the line up of bars changes constantly. From a purely informational point of view, the Rio section of CH is pretty saturated, and when something does change (the closing of a small termas, for example) it gets reported almost immediately here.

I know some guys (unnamed) are disappointed that they find less wank-off material being posted from Brazil, but that's life. Too many dildos on this board who have shared the info with girls. C'est la vie.

I, like Cat, made one trip to the DR. Never again. In my book it ranks below TJ.

Jimmydr-

You need to change your handle!!!

(Message edited by BWana_dik on September 30, 2010)

Blazers I know this guy named Bwana_Dik. He wrote this incredible Rio Guide, and updated it annually for years. There's really very little that can be added to that fine document. I even recall seeing printed copies of it in the laps of excited old men as they slept on the overnight flights to Rio...

And although he does have his moments of brilliance, to get the nuggets about Brasil on this board one DOES need to wade through a lotta Cat litter.

And with that, I will return to my seat in the balcony with the other retired hecklers.

Deeg

The DR is not that bad! I live in Chicago. When it's 12 degrees in January, and a quick flight gets me to a sunny Caribbean Island that has tons of available putas, that's a nice thing.

Yeah, Sosua has alot of dogs, but in between, you can find some very hot women for very reasonable prices. No it doesn't compare to Rio, but I don't always feel like taking an overnight flight that costs over $1000.

Also, piling on here, but it's about the easiest mongering destination one can go to.

I wouldn't call Catocony an anonymous poster, he's a pretty easy person to meet if you're in Brazil at the same time as him.

I posted a pretty long Brazil report when I went there last year, and if I had been planning to return to Brazil that same year, I probably wouldn't have. Knowing that I wouldn't be back for awhile made me feel safer posting it, because those garotas are keenly aware of the internet and do NOT want to be on it.

Why should I go to Brazil? I've seen nothing on this board lately to suggest I'd have a good time there.

Help closed, a couple termas shut down. Prices going up... The Real is kicking ass against the dollar, Brazil in general is getting much more expensive.

That being said, many credible posters have sang the praises of Rio and such. So I have reason to believe it's a fun time. But add in the distance and expense and I can get equal in Cuba for half the price...

Just Sayin'...

What termas have shut down?

Jonesie

I've spent a cumulative total of 6 months in Cuba and over 12 months in Rio. Both countries are rated A+ on my scale.

To answer your question "Why should I go to Brazil" :

1. The women are of equal quality, passion and talent, which is saying a lot for both countries.

2. Assuming an average price of $60-80USD for the cubans you're seeing, there are plenty of comparably priced venues where you can pay that or less for high quality brasilian girls.

3. I love both the Havana and Rio experiences equally, for very different reasons. Rio is Manhattan on the beach. If you learn some portuguese, it's an awesome place to visit.

4. Rio is far better than Havana in that Rio is a 1st world destination, while Havana is one of the worst 3rd world experiences.

I understand how you make your Havana trips profitable, as I did the same thing in my trips. There are ways to make money doing Rio as well. In fact there are ways to make several thousand dollars while visiting Rio.

DG

"In fact there are ways to make several thousand dollars while visiting Rio"

DG, as long as it doesn't involve putting either drugs or some dudes package up my ass, I'm game...

No question, the food and amenities are better in Brazil. Cuba isn't as bad as it was, but 1st world it isn't.

Cuba is closer, safer, cheaper, and has better cigars, Brazil is nicer, and has better food.

I'll still take Cuba...

Jonesie,

Like I said - they're both A+ destinations. You're more of a weekend warrior with your trips so you can work around that Havana's a beautiful shithole w/terrible internet, bad streets and sorry food. Oh - and bring your own toilet paper :rolleyes: lol

The ironic part is - I live in south Florida so you'd think it'd be easier to get to Cuba than Brazil? It's wayyyy more convenient to travel to Rio than Havana, which in the end made Rio my destination of choice.

Once the embargo ends and I can take a direct flight to Cuba?

Once the embargo ends you also probably won't have to bring your own toilet paper. lol.

Im all for cuba because i absolutely despise "brazillian" aka Portugese p.s. I live in Miami and I absolutely love black beans and rice mofos. lol

Once the embargo ends, Havana will turn into a border town and I won't want to go. TP or no TP...

I'll concede, Havana's infrastructure is shit. Internet won't support skype, etc... but the charm and the shear sexual horsepower of the ladies take it to the top of the mongering destinations. That is for those with the cojones to go...

Been to Cuba many times; cojones are not a problem. As DG mentions, Rio is easier, Rio is more enjoyable, and Rio's garotas are equal or superior to their Cubana sisters. First world comforts, world-class food, beaches that are amongst the best in the world, people that are happy with their lives...

It's more expensive than Cuba, granted, but I work long and hard precisely so I can enjoy the better things in life, and Rio, with all that it offers, is one of those special pleasures.

My memories of the visits to Cuba are fond ones, but since the Castro crackdown things went way downhill. The last couple of trips were, aside from the sex, not at all enjoyable. And even the sex went downhill as many girls, fearing the government, left the "business" or were paranoid to the extent that it took some of the fun out of things.

Sobe9ball,
You "despise Portuguese"? It's a beautiful language! Why would anyone 'despise" a language? I assume that means you speak Spanish but not Portuguese. Cool. And I don't speak Thai or Tagalog, but I don't despise them. ;-)

AND...one of the staple dishes in Brasil is black beans and rice. It's served in every por kilo restaurant in the country, and is part of feijoada, the Brasilian national dish. So if black beans and rice is your idea of the perfect meal, in Rio you can eat enough to explode.

Can't speak to Cuba - even so I am extremely curious about a visit & will target to get that under my belt soon - I certainly can speak to Rio. As I continued to expand my horizon and visited more and more mongering destinations in the world, I have yet to find one that has such an excellent balance between mongering and just overall a great spot to be as Rio. As Bwana states above, it is just a fantastic city. Infrastructure is 1st class, and Dongringo nailed it on the head with his description of Rio being Manhattan on the beach.

As I started to monger and monger more, traveling different places, none pulled me back like Rio.

Now, for me, ranking of any place includes non-mongering activities availablity so that I am not sitting in my room dead bored during the day or just want to take a break from fucking - Rio fills that bill. And once you speak Portuguese, which is a complex and very rich language, the opportunities are boundless...you will find that mongering just becomes a side activity because there is so much more...

So I live here in Rio and there are quite a few others that have chosen to live there. I have not heard of anyone that has chosen to live in Cuba. I think that says something in itself. There is a small group of Americans also hanging out in Medellin but no migration to Cuba.

Hmmm I wonder if this thing they passed Called and Embargo would curb any kind of migration to Cuba from the U.S.?

Sobe9ball - while it's true the embargo has slowed down the migration, I personally know and have travelled to cuba with american men who have married cuban women. But who would want to? With all due respect to any cubans who read this - the country is nothing more than a decrepit island prison where the inmates constantly lie and try to con you out of anything they can.

If it weren't for the fact that I was staying at the DuPont family Mansion in Miramar, I probably wouldn't have gone as many times as I did.

I heard an interesting take on why the embargo is still holding on - the USA tourism and hotel industry is perpetuating it! Cuba does have a decent resort community built all around the island, and NONE of it is american owned - it's all european. So the USA tourism lobby is working HARD to keep the embargo alive.

"I heard an interesting take on why the embargo is still holding on - the USA tourism and hotel industry is perpetuating it! Cuba does have a decent resort community built all around the island, and NONE of it is american owned - it's all european. So the USA tourism lobby is working HARD to keep the embargo alive."

This doesn't sound right at all. The reason U.S. hotel chains aren't involved in Cuba (at least directly) is because of the embargo. Once it is lifted they would have opportunities there. Travel agents would also be able to make money booking flights, tours, hotels,, etc. there. The notion the tourism lobby is somehow responsible for the continued embargo sounds more like a wacky conspiracy theory than reality IMHO. But if you have concrete information rather than wild rumor or speculation, please share it.

And what if I happen to be rather fond of wacky conspiracy theories?

I would've thought Obama'd end the embargo by now. Can't for the life of me understand why he's not doing so, as it fits his agenda. There must be some lobby influencing his decision not to.

The tourism industry has been pressing hard to get the embargo lifted. They and the agricultural community have been pushing the hardest.

Opposing this is the Cuban ex-pat community, and they have ample political muscle in FL. Also there are plenty of foreign policy neocons and ex-Cold Warriors who want to punish Cuba until the Castro boys are dead and in the ground.

Politically, there's no great upside for changing the status quo. There are winners and losers in this one, so it's not high on most politicians' agendas. Obama's team has bigger problems to worry about; Cuba doesn't even make it onto their political radar screen.

BTW, the Cuban embargo started as an executive branch action during the Kennedy Administration. The travel ban was put in place by Kennedy in '63, lapsed in '77 when Carter did not renew the executive order, but Reagan reimposed it in '83. The trade embargo was later codified by Congress through a series of legislative acts. What that means is the President can't unilaterally undo the embargo, but could end the travel ban. Bush II stepped up enforcement of the travel ban and also killed a House and Senate-passed bill ending the embargo by threatening to veto the bill it was attached to.

It'll happen some day, for economic rather than social policy reasons, but maybe not until the Castro brothers kick the bucket.

The "Revolution" needs the Embargo. How else do you justify the shit they've been doing to people over 50 years? There has to be a reason their system has continually failed other than it was a bad idea to begin with...

"Hey Guys, you know that idea we had for political and economic policy? The one we put a bunch of people in prison for bad mouthing. Turns out it was an even worse idea than before. My Bad... "