Newbie in Manila/Angeles with ED

Though I am no stranger to mongering having combed the streets of Mobile Alabama, Portsmouth and Norfolk VA, NYC, Newark NJ, Cleveland Ohio and Kaleen Texas, Frankford Germany and Sosoa DR at various stages of my life since the age of 19 ( now 47 ), Nothing had captured my attention like the Philippines. My trip there was a 1st that I will never forget

Having recently filed for divorce from my wife of 14 years and not wanting to be around when she got served the papers, I jumped into my car and headed for JFK. I had purchased Tickets to Manila the night before via trip adviser. RT was US $ 1099 on Cathay Pacific including taxes and fees. The flight wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be. Some how or another I managed to sleep most of the way. Landed in Manila at about 11:30pm…Made my first mistake by asking a security guard for help getting a hotel. He made a phone call and directed me to a guy standing outside the Hotel reservations area outside the airport. The guy was nice enough but I immediately realized I was about to get juiced. ..To tired to argue I agreed to go with him. He initially told me the cab fair would only be $8. ..I thought this might be a good deal because another cab driver quoted me $20..Later on I would find out I was wrong. We first went to what he called his travel agency in area 51. Area 51 is just outside the airport so that’s why the cab fair was so cheap. He checked local hotels in the area and they were booked. I then requested he book a hotel near Burgos street in Manila. He complied and said he found a 5 star hotel with a vacancy and booked a room for me for $110...The cab ride was another $20 to the hotel. As it turned out the place was no better than a 2 or 3 star but I really didn’t care. I was dead tired. After we got to the hotel my new friend, or leach I should say, insisted on taking me out on the town. I declined and gave the flea $20 to go away. He said he would call me tomorrow and he would show me around. I said fine and he left.

Went to my room and took a quick shower. Realizing there was no way I was going to go to sleep without busting a nut I set out on the town at about 2:00am..As I left my hotel I paraded past a dozen or so lady boys. If you are into that sorta thing I would think this would be a paradise for you cause some of them were extremely gourgas..But it aint for me so I continued to walk up the street. I really didn’t want to go into any of the bars on Burgos street so I just sat in an outdoor bar that over looked all the action. There I met a guy from Hawaii and we talked about the best way to have some fun…He told me he talked to some guy who said he could get us some good pussy. I told him my experience with such things tells me he is looking for trouble and there was no need to hire anyone to find anything cause we were surrounded by everything we need. It was all there just for the asking…he insisted so off we went to some hole in the wall at the end of the street with another leach. Inside we were met with a fish bowl type selection process. The girls weren’t all that but we selected a couple chicks anyway. ..The whole thing fell apart when we couldn’t agree on a price. ..They wanted 3000 pesos for an hour…F that we said and gave the guy 100 pesos tip for bring us there and reminded him he still owed us some girls. We went back to the spot were before and drank a few more beers…Our guy returned with a couple girls and one of them I thought was perfect.. She was everything I came to the Philippines for, or so I thought, so I immediately hired her for 3000 pesos, short time. ..The guy wanted me to pay him the money but I told him I had already given him a tip and I would pay the girl. He insisted I pay him. I got a little aggravated at his insistence so I told him to beat it or I’m going to beat him. He backed off. after a drink me and my new sweetie hurry off to my hotel and into my room….Once in the room the girl said the 3000 pesos was for covered BJ only. Not wanting to argue I immediately told her to GTF out. I told her I wanted full service for that price. she said full service would be 6000 pesos. I told her she is gourgis but no pussy in the Philippines is worth that much. I again ask her to leave. Ashe ten relinquished and agreed to protected sex for 3000. After taking a shower she climbed into bed with me but I couldn’t get a hard on…I don’t know why. The girl was a goddess as far as I was concerned. ..she put the rubber on me while I was soft and I rubbed it on her snatch but still no life from down below. ..after about ten minutes I ejaculated WITHOUT a hard on and without penetrating her. ..I couldn’t believe it. This has never happened to me before. I remember as a teen ager I came emdiatly upon penetration a few times but at least I was erect. But anyway I asked her to leave as I was exusted from the flight. She complied and asked if we would see each other again. I didn’t repsond.but I really wanted to say F NO!!

Feeling disgusted with myself and unsatisfied after she left I popped a V and set out to set the record straight…I went back to the spot that overlooked the street and had a few more beers. There I met a 30 something year old Black girl begging for change. ..she kept asking for money so she could eat breakfast. By this time the sun was coming up and the city was coming to life. Feeling slighted from what happened a few hours earlier I began to contemplate a cheap F*ck…The girl didn’t look bad with my beer goggles on and had a nice figure so I told her I would give her a 100 pesos for breakfast if she came back to my Hotel with me after eating…she said no and went on her way. After 10 minutes or so she returned and agreed to my terms…I gave her the money and off to breakfast she went. Not really expecting her to come back she did about a half hour later and said she is ready to take care of me so off to my hotel we went. ..In my room she took a shower then jumped on my cock cow girl style. I was rock hard from the V I took a few hours early so penetration wasn’t a problem. The problem was I couldn’t bust a nut. 45 minutes of hard pounding and I wasn’t even close to climax. .having no energy left I stopped and asked her to leave. She asked for some more money but I refused and told her a deal is a deal.. She said OK and started to leave but by then I began to feel a little guilty so I gave her another 500 pesos tip. It wasn’t her fault I couldn’t ejaculate so…

After a few hours sleep I bailed out of Manila and headed for Angeles. The Hotel set me up with a ride for US $50. I wasn’t sure if that was a good rate or not but I just wanted to GTF out of town so off I went. ..It was a nice relaxing 2 hour ride with the exception of the Cab driver asking for toll money. I told him the price quoted said nothing about paying tolls. He said tolls wasn’t included in the price. I told him he should have told me that BEFORE we left and if he wants me to pay more than the $50 quoted he should just take me back to the Hotel we just left from. He didn’t and just drove to Angeles.


We arrived in Angeles late after noon and the driver dropped me off at the corner of Raymond Street and fields ave…I walked over to the bar/resuant at the corner and took a seat overlooking the street. Ordered a beer and admired the talent walking back and forth. I was aw struck. The beauty and youth was phenomenal. ..I sat for about 3 hours before I asked someone were I could find a good hotel. Right down the street an American man told me. So off I went to the Orchid. Got a room and headed back out for some action. . After walking up and down fields ave a bit and half drunk I stumbled into La Pashas, I think…The talent there was good so I sat down at the bar and ordered a beer. They charged me 490 pesos for the drink. I was pissed at being fleeced so I downed the beer and walked right out without saying a word. ..Stopped in at the Doll House and had a good time with the waitress. She was very attentive and sat with me for the 4 or 4 hourse I was there. Beer was only 110 pesos. Maybe less I cant remember but it certainly wasn’t 490. They were putting on a show for thanksgiving. It was a great show. Great dancing and pretty girls all around. I had fun with the Balloons. It was kind of juvenile but WTF, who cares. ..Didn’t bar fine anyone. Was a little self conscious and concerned about my ED problem of late..

I left the bar and walked around for a little while before stumbling into a bar on real street. I think it was insomnia but not sure. By this time it was about 2am and I just wanted to find a girl to curl up to for the night even if I couldn’t consummate the engagement. The selection there was decent and after having a beer or two and watching some again idiot dump hundreds of 100 peso bills from the second floor balcony I selected an average looking girl for 1500 pesos and went back to my room…she was only so so as I was able to get an erection. The problem was she used a condom that seemed to be made out of intertube rubber. It was thick and those Philippine condoms seem to fit a bit too tight but anyway I managed to pop one and fall asleep. She left at about 8am. Good riddance I thought after giving her 200 peso tip.

I slept to about 12 noon and had to find a different hotel. I hired a tryic I think you call them and headed out to the Natalia. Got a substandard room there and went down the street to pony tails to get some koochy…I Bar fined a Nice one for 1500 pesos. She was beautiful, stood about 4’5” tall and thin but not skinny. Back in the room she rode me cow girl for awhile before we changed to missionary. NO Condom. Busted a nut and went to sleep. She left about 4 hours later. 300 peso tip and she’s off….nice session. No ED problems.

Later that night I went out and again walked the streets. I walked all the way to the end of field ave towards Manila North Rd..Ther I found an open bar,/ restaurant that faced the street and sat down for a few beers. Struck up conversations with several people. Girls, Ex pats, security guard waitresses ect ect ect and was having fun...Then a couple non working girls came in and sat next to me. And we started talking. Apparently they were having problems with there boy friends and were just out for a night of fun. We talked for awhile and I got there phone #s and promised to call them before they left. I sat at this place until 7am drinking and having fun with the girls and the security guard there.

After I left the bar I hopped into a tryc and asked him to take me to a couple hotels as I was not happy with the natalia. It was a dump. All the Hotels we went to were booked so I just said the heck with it. ..later that day I call one of the girls I had met the night before and set up a date for that night. We met at the same place. She showed up with her 2 GFs and we talked and laughed awhile before her friends left. With a little coercion we went back to my place and did the nasty. It was the best sex I’ve had in years and it was FREE..

The next 4 days and nights were spent with this same girl. ..No more Bar fines were necessary. I had a blast and somehow or another she managed get rid of the one thing on my mind that was making me miserable. That thing being my wife.

I am back home now with the cunt. She is in denial about the divorce and is demanding to know where I was and what I was doing…my only answer to her is I went to heaven and have returned to hell


I will be returning to Angeles. Not for the Night life but for the sweetie I met and spent the majority of my time there with….she is 39 and I am 47. ..The young things are fun to play with but I personally I need a grown woman to satisfy me.. I have found such a women in Angeles.. She is fantastic so I’m going with it and see where it goes..And NO she has not been asking me for money nor will I give her any if she does.

Aye, the classic "But she is different" (even so those exact same words were not used)....but, I am glad that you had a great time in Angeles.

An awesome mongering trip while going through a divorce is certainly the best medicine. It worked for me so many years ago.

My big piece of advise....take it super slow with this chick from Angeles. Don't want to be a downer, but the changes are stacked up against you. I have seen too many guys fall - and in a very hard way. Any veteran on this board can echo what I am stating here..... it just happens sooooooo often.

Also, a divorce is costly, but so are maintaining girls overseas - I know you mention that she has not yet asked you for money, but you mentioned something about not having to pay a barfine anymore. A girl from PI will most likely need financial support that usually extends to her family as well. If she is working in a bar now, her ability to earn money working a regular job are very limited. So, supporting her is just an eventuality - then, with you thousands of miles away can you really trust her? Unfortunately 99% of the time you can't.

Again, I wish you all the best - just keep your wits and common sense. Good pussy and good sex has a way of putting a spell on otherwise smart guys....

Mongering in the Philippines, Brazil, and Thailand can easily suck in someone without much experience (And the street scene in the US does not count as true experience in this case - most of those girls just want to earn enough money to buy more crack until the next John comes along).


(Message edited by lovingmarvin on December 06, 2010)

Aye

Some good advise. I can not argue a single point you made other than the “she is different” one.

I didn’t mean to imply “she is different” though I may have inadvertently done so. ..I meant to drive home the point that she was not a working girl insomuch as she was not a “bar fine type” and just wanted to say she erased all thoughts of my soon to be X.

Also. What I meant by “free” is we didn’t have a direct exchange of money for sex though the food and drinks we had were mostly on me. ..


I am going to take it super slow…I couldn’t rush into anything even if I wanted to. I still live with my wife and she doesn’t want a divorce and we have 4 children. …Our bank accounts are frozen so my access to money is limited..

I don’t know were this girl is going to lead me but I do now I enjoy her company and seeing her again seems harmless if I keep in mind the advice you gave me and the things I already know. The Philippines is a nice place to visit anyway so…

Sounds like you got the right idea...certainly worth seeing her again, especially if she is good company. However, the moment you start thinking about getting serious with her and those thoughts of "But she is different" creep in your mind, take a good long cold shower and slap yourselp a couple of times to snap out of it :-). Now if you want to get serious and keep it real with realistic thoughts, well then you might just end up just fine!

Good luck with your divorce.... in my case it was the best thing I ever did. My (first :-) ex-wife did not want a divorce either, but it is not really like she can stop it outside playing hardball....which mine did (Towards the end she somehow ended up dating the fucking divorce attorney, but that is just another story to tell over a bunch of beers). The only regard I have is not getting divorced sooner....

Getting serious?…no way. I don’t know if ever want to get serious again after having been pinned down by my current bitch for 14 years…having a nice female friend I enjoy being with in a foreign country appeals to me though.

I have no doubt in my mind this divorce will be the best thing that ever happens to me as well. My trip to the Philippines only solidified that thought. ..though I know my wife will fight me tooth and nail on this thing, my hope is somewhere along the way she will start dating her lawyer and leave me the F alone.

Thanks for your thoughts. Perhaps we can meet up somewhere sometime and have a few..

Its ok to get serious with the ladies in the Phils just so long as you know that if you bring them back here then they will probably will want to bring their entire family with them. I have not seen any Filipinos in the United States living alone...they all seem to live with a lot of family. So if you get serious with her, then you have to get serious with her family. Her family might include doctors and lawyers, but it may also include the bus drivers and security guards. Just so long as thats ok with you, then go for it. Another thing to think about is she may just come over here with you, get her citizenship and then split as soon as they can.

I think you should have at least left her with some cash in-hand whether she be pro or non-pro. People are broke over there and its only fair to leave behind a little green so they can go to the store to buy some milk.

Those 24 hour plane rides can really fuck with your libido, especially when you are having wet dreams about what is waiting in Philippines. Viagra is mandatory for the first round.

I am curious about which "five star hotel" you were suckered into upon arrival in Manila. Didn't you do any research or advance reservations?

Did you manage to hide your tracks from the ex-wife by making all your flight and travel arrangements on a computer she cannot access? Did you delete all confirmations emails? Did you browsing history, cookies and temporary files? Did you perform a multi-phase free space wipe on your hard disk? Did you avoid ATM and credit card transactions? Did you "LOSE" your passport for a while? If the wife is determined to have a nasty divorce, you can be certain that her lawyer will look for evidence about where you have been.

As for the 39 year old girlfriend, you better wait for six months after the divorce is final before deciding if she still rocks your boat. You are probably easy prey right now.

"As for the 39 year old girlfriend, you better wait for six months after the divorce is final before deciding if she still rocks your boat. You are probably easy prey right now."

Good advice, but I'd suggest a 5-10 year interval.

Potege….I have no intentions of bringing anyone back to the states…If anything I will move there but I aint even thinking such thoughts….I know people over there are broke. I was talking with a nurse who only made 2400 pesos a month and that is suppose to be a pretty good job…The 39 year old woman I met gets support from the father of her two kids. Something like 25,000 pesos mo. She doesn’t need me for money…or so she claims.

Hot4ass2...Yeah. I think part of the problem was the intermittent sleep I got on the plane ride + all the beers + the stress I was suppose to be leaving behind and the uncertainty of what awaited me in the Philippines all played a roll in the ED thing..lol …I think the Hotel I stayed at in Manila was the Millennium service residence. I’m pretty sure that was the name of it…Yes I did hide my tracks from the X but according to my Lawyer it doesn’t matter so I really am not worried about her finding out. I’d just hate to be living with a bitch who knows I’ve been cheating on her. Its bad enough as it is. ..

Bwana….If anyone got the impression I am looking for a new wife already I apologize cause that just aint so…

BirdLips,

I don't want to tell you how to live your life but perhapse you should give your marrage a chance. However tell your wife on no uncertain terms that you have real dissatisfactions with the relationship and the way she is treating you is going to end imediately one way or another.

Some men I know have felt frustrated by their significant other. They feel like the woman dominates thier life and they feel as if they are treated like a child. If you feel this way you should say this in marriage conseling in frount of a trained marriage professional. Your wife is more likely to listen to you in front of a counselor than if you just tell her stragh out where she is more likely to argue with you.

If she continues to insist on knowing where you were when you went to PI just tell her you needed some time alone to get perspective. ex. "you don't need to know where I was, just that I needed to be alone for a while." end of discussion.

Like I said I am not here to judge you or control you but consider your children and keep in mind that just because your married doesn't mean you can't have a little fun once and a while. Save your money and if you desire take some time off and go where you want to go. Just be carfull not to catch any bugs.

Good luck....

Tchtraveler,

I have given my marriage more chances than it deserves. This is the second time I have filed for divorce. The first time I filed I dropped it because I thought we had ironed out all our problems but over the course of 3 years my wife has essentially reneged on every thing we had previously agreed to while I stuck to my end of our bargain. ..I am finished. Its over. We had already tried counseling and it didn’t work. ..The only reason we have been together as long as we have is because I HAVE been doing it for the benefit of our children however I have come to the conclusion they are no longer benefiting from my and my wife’s relationship. I now think they will be better served if we part ways.. Not to mention > I < will be better served.

Since I made the original post I have told my wife where I went just to shut her up and have already told her almost exactly as you suggested, that I just needed some time to myself and what better way to get it than fly to the other end of the earth…

My wife is still in denial. She is offering to adhere to the terms we previously agreed to before, that ended our last divorce proceedings however I know she will NEVER adhere to them. She cant. Its not within her capabilities. She is who she is and I will never change that so………..its goodbye BITCH and hello darlings

I am so looking forward to it…


Thanks for the advice…

Ok Good enough, As long as you faithfully tried.

In that case congratulations on your new life as a bachelor. If you do make it back to PI just take it slow next time. Don't be in such a hurry to get laid as soon as you get off the plain. Take some time to relax and rest. When you wake up take a warm shower, get something to eat and you will feel better. Then hit the clubs.

Also If I were you I would not pick up any more chicks on the streets. Stick with the bars as the women in the bars are registered entertainers and ussually get regular checkups.

Bring your own condoms. Get the best quality you can find here in the U.S. (I recommend trojans latex) and pack them in your bags before you embark.

I have not been to Angeles/Fields yet (I will be going in February) but there are clubs in Manilla on EDSA just down the street from the old Herritage Hotel (a five star hotel if you interested) where ther are three or four bars all grouped together. One is called Firehouse and the other Pit Stop (I think) I am familliar with Fire house cause I laid 3 Filipina from there in back in 1997. I think it is still in opperation from what I have heard.

Next time take your time, take it slow, don't get nervous and just enjoy the ladies and you won't need any Viagra. Take plenty of time off (at least a week, two if possible) for your trip and do your reseach and reservations ahead of time.

Good Cunt Hunting
and
Goog luck

Oh I forgot to add.

Next time bring your camera and snap a few lady pictures to share with us here.

cheers,

i am glad you had a good trip to AC. good luck with your relationships. i'm not going to add anything the vets already told you. sage advice and you seem to have a good head on your shoulders. and yes, pictures would be nice! cheers!

(Message edited by TwoWeeksLate on December 10, 2010)

My apologies for no pics…I had intended on taking photos of each girl I was with and post them here like everyone else but this was my first trip there and I was a little too tired, drunk and overwhelmed at all that was going on…Next time I’ll do better..

Oh and BTW..My new sweetie who initially told me she didn’t need me for money has been e-mailing me every day. Today she hinted at needing money. I suspect she will outright ask for it within a week. Anyone got any suggestions?. My instincts say to treat her as I would any other friend but, my other friends have the ability to pay me back. I don’t think she does and I don’t think we are at the point in our relationship were I should just give her money, in essence, support her. Any thoughts?. I may have to bail out on this girl early..

I would keep a level head about this chic. If I were you I wouldn't send money but it's up to you. Keep in mind that you are probally not the only one. She probably gets money from other guys who she has seetie talked before you. This is a common strategy in that part of the world and her ultimate goal is to come to the U.S. and most of the time if a girl is pretty enough and a good enought sweet talker she will.

If you really like her than keep in touch and see were it goes but take your time as you just got separated/divorce. If I were you I would play the field and monger for a little while before jumping into a new mariage.

My suggestion and my approach if I was in your shoes - Use the Brazilian male approach, which is to promise everything and deliver nothing or very little. I have used this approach with quite a few girls and it has always worked for me....I am not sure about the timing of your trip to visit her, but if it is close try to avoid sending her money now....just say you will and never do. Then as it gets closer tell her you will give some to her in person.... As far as treating her like a friend - Money and friends just do not mix well...just consider any "loan" to her a permanent donation.

It is actually quite simple - I would not consider it a relationship at this point...just a pay for play opportunity. There are thousands of girls in AC, all very willing partners in exchange for $$, so if she does get an attitude along the way then bail...

Otherwises, use this opportunity to string her along and get some action out of her....at the least amount of cash possible....

If that is not possible...then dump her....its not like there is a shortage of girls available there that can easily replace her. Especially if you like older ones, as you stated - most guys afterall pursue the young spinner types.

In my years living in Brazil I have learend quite a bit - when it comes to dealing with women, especially in Asia, the doggie way of a typical Brazilian guy works quite well....

Don't believe anything she tells you, and certainly don't feel sorry for her - otherwise the only one that will get fucked is you....

which is to promise everything and deliver nothing or very little. I have used this approach with quite a few girls and it has always worked for me....

Sounds like a real douchebag thing to do, IMO. Laying a load of BS on some 3rd world chick so she'll devote her life to landing YOU, only so you can get a discount on what many consider pocket change of a barfine?

I really don't doubt this WORKS, but why in the hell would you want to mess with somebody's life that way?

LOL !!!!!

I like the douchbag aproach. But only if I like the pussy so much that I want to hit it again, and again, and again.

Porker makes a good point though. Eventually you have to cut them loose. It's just like catching fish and throwing them back in the lake. If your not going to eat or trophy it, dumping them on the beach to die seems cruel.

Just don't give them your Ph. and address to avoid a future stalking situation.

Do you really believe this 3rd world chick is not putting a bunch of BS on you? If so, then you are a douchbag.... and yes, it does work!! and it is not messing with anybody's life....it only would if the majority of these chicks are sincere, which they are not....most often the guy is just one of many in the line.

Also, this is not to get out of a barfine....

(Message edited by lovingmarvin on December 11, 2010)

I stand by what I said, making promises to 3rd world girls in order to "profit" from it is cowardly and like tearing the wings off a fly in places like the PI.

Again, I understand that some have ISSUES and GET OFF on it. Shame on you?

>>it is not messing with anybody's life....it only would if the majority of these chicks are sincere<<

So if less than a majority of these chicks are sincere, it is okay to fuck up the lives of those who are sincere and not in the majority?

Porker,

Wake up and smell the coffee. Your type of thinking is exactly the type of mindset that allows guys to get played by these females in 3rd world countries.

These women have perfected the art of running game on western guys in order to get money and visas etc. That is a FACT.

....yes, there are some girls that are quite sincere and need the help, but they aren't the majority.

The Captain Save-a-Ho mentality that you have only deludes you into thinking that you're saving some poor girl from her misery, while in reality many of these girls could have done other things in life besides fuck for money.


It's ROUGH world out there. You either play or GET PLAYED.......

Superion,

I think there is a big difference between being vigilant to avoid falling for the misrepresentations of some Asian bargirl or Dating website temptress, than to actually misrepresenting oneself and intentions to take advantage of bargirls or dating websites/webcam chatsite girls.

I'll be damned. Ethics discussions on a whoremonger board!

Let's have a poll. Where's CFK when you need him?

I don't see anyting wrong with giving or sending money to a woman as long as you go into it with your eyes wide open

If you do it, do, it out of the kindness of your heart and not expect anything in return.

Don't expect undying love for money, that doesn't happen even in the states.

Mx as usual sums it up better than I can.

There was a recent post on another Asia board about how 50% of the people you meet in a AC bar are test pilots in the space program... Whatever floats your boat!

Interesting discussion genitalmen ( Lmao..get it? )

My own thought is this..
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander…from my own observation I gather a lot of those woman are looking for a man to take care of them..love is not an issue..Who knows what they will do once they get what they want. If love isn’t involved then most likely YOU are going to get taken to the cleaners so is it wrong to “play the Game” with those type of girls? NOOOOOOO…not in my mind it isn’t..they want to use you so if they wind up getting used TUFF SHIT!!!

On the flip side..Though most of the girls are looking for a man to take care of them, they are not incapable of being devoted to the man who is doing just that…My sweetty as I described in my initial post introduced me to a few of her friends..one of which is committed to an American man TWICE her age..she is 28 he is 65..They have a child together and have been seeing each other for 6 years..he still lives in the states and she lives in angeles. He only visits about 3 moths out of the year and she seems to be TOTALLY his woman..In the 4 days I spent hanging around her she talked about him often, never a bad thing to say and always indicated how she was looking forward to his visit..she called or text him everyday I was there..There was nothing I saw in her that made me think she was interested in anyone else other than the man she called her husband though they weren’t married…

Stringing someone along for an extended period of time really isn’t for me considering the availability of no strings attached sex available but I will not criticize another for shoving something up another’s a$$ rather than letting another shove something up his ass..

Up date on my sweety…I made the mistake of e-mailing her and wishing her a marry x-mass and told her I hope Santa Claus will be good to her and her children this year…she immediately replied and asked me if I was going to be her Santa…Crap..something about X-mass that drains my wallet..Ok so I told her I will send her some money so she can buy herself something from me..I am going to send her US $500. Is that too much?..Also..she wants me to send he money western union made out to one of her friends because she lost her ID..that doesn’t sound right to me…sound familiar to any of you veterans?

To say your girl's friend is committed to a American man, and she talked about him often and you never saw anything that would show she might be interested in another man, is MEANINGLESS.

How do you equate that to not fooling around on him ??

I've been traveling to the PI for almost 30 years and I can't begin to tell yhou how many girls I've banged that seemed to be committed to a guy.

One such girl recently, when I first met her, all she did was talk often about 1 particular guy, she was texting and recieving his text often. As I got to know her better, she said he is the one guy she really loved.

Well, the guy decided to steady BF her, and get a passport and visa to his country.

My next trip to AC she was already steady BF'd. Did not stop her from staying with me for as long as I wanted her, even had me answer his text message and text him back while she got a big kick out for the thing.

She even brought up the idea that maybe I could come to his country and visit with her while he was at work.

And there's no question she loved this guy, and when I say love I mean true love, not for the money.

Many Filipina always want more if they think they can get it.

Another such girl who was steady BF'd by a guy she really cared about and said he was sooo kind and nice to her, well, I banged her in her BF's apartment, could have done her on his bed if I wanted but chose not to.

She was the aggressor in everything. When her friends told her I was in AC she tried hard to contact me and was telling her friends to please have me call her. She initiated everything, our get together, sex , everything.

To say you hung with a girl a few days and she talked about her BF often DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING.

You've got a long, long way to go and alot to learn about Filipina's.

Filipina's are as crafty as they come, don't think you can out-witt them, many times you'll lose.

Birdlips is a troll. Please do not feed him.

$500 is not too much. I recommend that you empty out your bank account, your 401k, sell your house, and send it all to her. She'll make good use of it and will love you long-time.

Lets start the "Save the ho and the ethical treatment of working girl" club.....

I know I feel absolutely moved by all the integrity displayed by some fellow board members and have decided to seek treatment....in the future I will treat all ho's with the utmost respect and honesty they deserve and they themselves demonstrate towards their customer's. I will also start to believe everything a bargirl tells me....

Until such time I am able to do so, however, I must get one more thing off my mind - Birdlips, are you out of your freakin' mind even considering sending her $500??????? DON'T DO IT!!!

All this complicated game playing is beyond me. In the real world, the nice good hearted guys tend to get used and abused by the bad girls and the nice good hearted girls tend to get used and abused by the bad guys. But why all the game playing if you are just having fun?

My life in the Philippines has been a whole lot easier since I have subscribed to 100%, graphic, honesty. "I will take you to my room and perform these deviant acts on you and expect you to perform these deviant acts on me. Then tomorrow I will take your best friend to my room and perform an unnatural act on her. You know what I did to your other friend yesterday, right? You still want to go with me? The innocent types will generally run for the hills. The takers are many and are a whole lot of fun. No drama. I have the fun which is what I seek. The lady gets money which is what she seeks. We both part ways with a smile on our face. Why make a complex game playing mind trip out of it.

Sancho - You responded with a sensible disagreement, but unfortunately too many other postings/responses on this board turn negative very quickly with self righteous moralistic ranting and preaching.

Give me a break - this is a mongering board, not a board for arguing political correctness.

You're right, LM, promise the world to a 3rd world whore (why, WHO KNOWS?), and laugh at her while she swallows it all, hook, line, sinker.

What a big man you are!

1) Why not lie to the girl? She's most likely lied to Birdlips and any/all other white guys she's ever been in contact with.

2) Don't send $500. Always a bad idea.

3) 39 years old? The question you should ask her the next time you see her is "do you have a 20-year old daughter I could meet?"

4) Sancho and Marvin have the best advice. If all the girls know that you're a true monger and are in if for fun and not romance, then you stand a far, far smaller chance of being treated as a sucker as there is no payoff in the end if a girl tries. No ATM card, no trips to Western Union, no K1 visa, no marriage proposals, none of that shit. Sex and some drinks and meals and maybe a movie and maybe a few presents on your next visit is the most any monger should ever plan on providing any working girl, especially LBFMs, the most mercenary whores on the planet.

Lots of these YOUNG Philippino girls lack proper identification and use friends as intermediates for receiving money.

However any woman that has not established her identity by age 39 is EXTREMELY SUSPECT and the money transfer identity requirements are not very strict. The girl just needs the senders name, senders town, transaction number, SECRET word and damn near any form of identification.

As for sending money, XOOM fees are much lower than Western Union, Moneygram supports direct deposit to SMART MONEY cards. PayPal fees are extremely low if the woman has the bank account necessary to access it.

I suggest you test the waters by sending something in the order of PHP 5000 (US$120) and see how grateful she is. Sending US$500 is insane. You need to find that fine line between where she thinks you are a lover and where she knows you are a sucker. It is even more important to find the KURIPOT threshold.
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(Message edited by Hot4ass2 on December 12, 2010)

$500 is insane, agreed. And if she's really getting 25K pesos a month from whoever, she's got to be living better than most Filipinas. $100 is plenty. I give my girls there 1500 pesos for 18-24 hours, they're happy. And they're a lot younger than 39.

You do have a lot to learn, but this board has the experience and wisdom for you to tap. If you agree with one of the Hombres who have chimed in above, follow their advice--you see there are different styles of mongering. Do what you're comfortable with; you can see that some of the guys wouldn't do what some of the others do, and vice versa.

There's a lot of good advice in this thread. Research the tons of info on AC elsewhere on the board before you go next time, you'll have a great time without ripoffs.

Gentlemen

I thank u all for your advice…both pro and con…This was my first trip to the Philippines and the voice of experience and conflicting points of view is priceless. As some of you have pointed out, I am vulnerable at this point. I have to agree. The marriage I am ending has been torturous for a # of years. Though I have no desire or plans to become reattached, I realize I am still easy pray for those pretty and innocent acting Asian women with devious intentions..

The general consensus here is $500 is too much to give…Its not to much for me considering my income and assets but as some pointed out, My sweetie MAY just get the impression I am a fool or sugar daddy. That is not a desired scenario so I am going to send her US $250...Before anyone says that’s too much let me reiterate something…this girl and her friends did more for me than I could ever express. They essentially screwed my head back on. The misery I felt before the trip TOTALLY disappeared ..My soon to be X is no longer at the forefront in my life and has all but disappeared from my mind…Though I paid for drinks, food, gas and the various other activities we did, the bill cam to less than it would have costed if I bar fined 1 or 2 girls a day. In this case US $250 is not to much. If nothing else comes of this whole thing or I find out she has less than honorable intentions then so be it. It still doesn’t change the fact that my sweetie helped me in more ways than I can ever express here..

Jigettis………What makes you think I am a troll?,,My posts here are 100% true…you insult me..

Actually turned out to be an interesting and fun post...even so in the end we are all after the same thing, we certainly have different approaches.

Birdlips - My suggestion for setting a fair amount to send her is how much you would have spent on her bar fine + tip....I think you mentioned 3 days. Since bar fines vary, my experience was that they tended to hoover in the 1500 range. Lets add a 500 tip a day, so you are up to 2000. If she was with you for 3 days and she stayed out of the bar without a bar fine being paid to her, then I think 6000 Pesos as a Christmas gift is fair - So lets round that up to $150.00. But, I guess since there are some bars that charge more, you could go to $200.00 and consider it compensation for the time she spent with you.

Any other money that are you tempted to send to her just put in a piggy bank and save it towards paying for your next trip to the Philippines instead.

Ongoing, when you do see her - even if you are not asked to pay for a bar fine just treat her tips as such and calculate accordingly ...as well keep your feelings and heart in check. However, I do stick to my original suggestion - in between those trips to see her, side step additional requests for money in any way possible.

As far as negative comments from other board members - just ignore them. Some unfortunately do not have a way to disagree in a constructive way and must resort to rude and insulting comments...that is just the way it is with some.

Lovingmarvin

Your suggestion is pretty much the way I think I will handle the money issues….I’m giving her $250 this time because I want her to buy her two friends a little something as well…They drove us around ( both had their own cars ) and drove her to my hotel when needed..Like I said I paid for gas, food, drinks and activities but they usually shared a meal and only had 1 drink each every time we went out…one of them didn’t drink at all. The most expensive thing we did ( 700 pesos per horse for 1 hour ) was go horse back riding during our day trip to Subic bay…they wanted to double up but I insisted everyone have their own ride.. .lots of fun. We saw a wild King Cobra. BIG SNAKE. It was cool..


I’ve been grilling my sweety via e-mail all weekend about her ID issues. She says she has document problems and it will be expensive and take a long time to correct. I say BS but, who really cares. Her name could be Hilary Clinton ( cant stand her btw ) for all I know but it wouldn’t change anything. As of now she hasn’t directly asked me for anything…(hmmm..she could be a PRO with the ability to EXTRACT without asking..lol.) .but I am enjoying her so wtf…as long as she doesnt cost much, she is a keeper are good to go

Keep this in mind, yea she may have a problem with her ID, that's a possibility, it's also highly likely the money is not going to her but to her family in the province, and her father and brothers will be drinking and enjoying the good life on you.

Or to a yikes, Filipino BF.

I can't tell you how many 1st timers to the PI have fallen under the spell of the very first girl who came along and showed any interest in them..

The PI has sssooooooo much more to offer than this 1 girl. You'll learn this after a number of trips.

I brought a friend 1st time to PI and the very 1st girl he grabed from LA Cafe, you couldn't pry him away from her, same exact story as yours.

He had only the best things to say about her, how she seemed to be honest and not like a working girl at all, I said, son, there are many, many girls like this, this girl is very, very average in looks compared to ones your eventually going to hook-up with and many will be even sweeter than her.

But, nope, he wouldn't budge from his new found girl, while I was hitting EDSA and Burgas ST he was heading to LA Cafe to meet his wonderful girl.

Eventually when it came time for us to head to AC he didn't want to go, to make a long story short we did make it to AC and about 3 days later he realized how foolish he'd been.

After a number of return trips he now looks back and jokes how foolish he was, and in time you'll see this as well.

Fooledagain

Now hold up man, you make it sound like I am ringing the wedding bells already..I’m NOT!!!

This girl I met is 37 years old ( did I say 39? ) …she has an average figure and average looks at best but FUCKS like a 10...add to the great F the fact that she is pleasurable to spend time with and WHALA, you have a keeper.. A bird in hand is better than a dozen in the bush..but that doesn’t mean I wont sample from time to time..

Don’t preach to me about what the Philippines has to offer..I’ve been there and so I already know..I realize I’ve only been once so I am no expert but I did sample the girls BEFORE I met my “ sweety”…before her I had a 24 year old STUNNER…a 21 year old STUNNER…an average 24 year old and a 30 Year old who looked good when I was drunk…NONE of them came close in bed or commanded my attention as did my “sweety”… NONE!!!

Lets assume for a minute I AM in love with “sweety” and want to AND DO marry her..what do U think will happen then?..I’ll tell you what will happen.. I will move to Angeles to be with my new love and treat her like a queen, meanwhile, I will slip out of the house every now and then to buy my cigarettes and booze and covertly dip my stick in some fresh meat…THAT’S WHAT!!!

But it aint gonna happen that way…I am single for the first time in 14 years..I have plans to visit Columbia and Brazill..also want to try Cambodia and parts of x soviet block Europe and perhaps Nigeria,..BEFORE I EVER consider getting tied up again.


If it makes sweety happy to give my money to her relatives then GOOD..what ever makes her as happy as she made me is fine…

No matter how much things change they remain the same.

Birdlips: I'll be interested in your evaluation on this 6 mos or a year from now.

That is the way to go...."…I am single for the first time in 14 years..I have plans to visit Columbia and Brazil.."..... that is the right idea.

Eventually you will get that out of your system, then it will be the right time to settle down...but certainly not with a bar girl!

SF Hombre

And u will get my evaluation 6 mo or a year from now…I have been a member of this site for about 3 years and have found it interesting but have never posted anything for fear of my wife. Reading these posts for all those years DID help a lot whist I was abroad but unfortunately I have a memory like a sieve so I made a few mistakes..

I’m not sure what u are expecting in my Re-evaluation but let me tell you this…If I find out she is a pro, a gold digger OR A GREEN CARD COW it wont make a GOT DAMNED BIT of difference. I wont be devastated nor will I have any regrets. . ..as I said before, sweety and her Gfs “screwed my head back on”. ..If I gave her US $5000 for doing that, it would still be cheaper than years of therapy that probably wouldn’t have worked..

Lovingmarvin

Sounds like you may have done that already…soooo who did you eventually settle down with huh?…a cutie from Columbia?. I think you mentioned u live in brazil…is she a Brazilian?

Yup, in the end "settled" (well, that is a relative word) with a Brazilian. Got quite lucky and truly landed a keeper.... but never did get the mongering gene out of me, so trying to do my best not to fuck things up while maintaining a little on the side here and there. My thought - If I eventually do, plenty fish in the sea. Always thought I would end up with a Colombian....before I moved to Brazil, I lived in Miami and dated several Colombian girls there. But, now love Brazilian girls!

But along the way always stuck to one rule - never got serious with a working girl. Played with plenty of them, but would never have considered settling down with any of them. I am the bad boy, and I want a good girl! Bad boy + bad girl certainly never works out...

..and, yes, for those purist moralistic judging people - I am an asshole.

Birdlips

As this seems to be a spur of the moment decision to travel to the PI and you had a need for discretion I can appreciate the mindset. Many times diving into the unknown will make for really fun times. It doesn't matter what anyone here thinks regarding your new found friend but what should matter to you is there a genuine chance that you two will truly be together in the future. There's much more to a relationship than infatuation as you must know from your current situation with your soon to be Ex wife. As far as moving to the Philippines, now that's a stretch. Ask anyone on this board, two weeks is about as long as a sane guy can hang there. Spend a couple of weeks and you'll understand where I'm coming from. Asian chicks are compelling but do some serious soul searching before you make that jump. As far as sending $$$. I got $500.00 that says in a year or less your "sweetie" will be a distant memory. Beware means Be Aware!

Popcorn

Yes and No it was a spur of the moment thing…while I planned on going for a long time, the exact time was dictated by the delivery of the divorce papers to my wife. I didn’t know exactly when that would happen so I couldn’t make exact date plans…My lawyer called me the day he sent the papers out as per my instructions.. Knowing it takes one day for delivery I covertly made my airline reservation over the internet, packed my shit and made my escape later that night..lol..I was like escape from Alcatraz…lol..

Your wrong when you say “ it doesn’t matter what anyone here thinks regarding your new found friend “…It does matter..these guys have been there , done that. They know the ropes and I have no desire to reinvent the wheel so to speak, or to become a victim. Whether or not I take there advice is up in the air…I weigh what they tell me about there own experiences and their opinions against what I know and my own observations and experiences then decide how to handle things..

When I said I would move to the Philippines to be with my new love, IF IF IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, I didn’t mean to imply I would stay there year round. I have a life here in the states that will never follow me to the Philippines sooo…

Again, you and everyone else MAY be right with regards to my “sweety” and how things will look 6 mo or a year from now..Fact is, I am willing to put > MY < $500 bet on the same side of the table as yours…the point I am trying to make is ..I DON’T FUCKING CARE!!!…She has done me a great service and I am AND WILL BE appreciative of what she did FOREVER!!..and, I do want to continue seeing her for reasons I have already discussed….

Lovingmarvin

As far as I know “sweety” IS NOT a “bar girl”…….


Up date on “sweety”

As I said in a previous post, I offered to send her money for an X-mass gift for her and her two friends after she asked me if I was going to be her Santa. My initial plan was to send US $ 500 but after the responses I got here from more objective thinking individuals, I reduced that amount to US $250..I never told sweety how much or when I would send it…Last night she e-mailed me and said she had a problem and wanted to know if she could share it with me..I said yes..she then said she has no money to go X-mass shopping..I told her I had already agreed to send her money for x-mass and would be doing that shortly.. I asked her how much I should send. She said what ever I wanted to send would be fine..hmmm bad move..little does she know she has club hombre working against her, lol….anyway, I says ok..today I get an e-mail from her friend who is going to be receiving the money because “sweety” doesn’t have ID..according to the friend she is leaving for x-mass vacation and the money MUST be sent today…BULL SHIT…little did the friend know “sweety” had already told me her friend is leaving on vacation next week…why the lie?…my guess is to rush things BEFORE I change my mind…typical sales tactic…OR..she could be telling the truth and “sweety” just got her dates mixed up…anyway, I am sending the money today.

Stay tuned….

Her boyfriend will appreciate the money you sent so he can go to a videoke shack and all the Red Horse's will be on him and any left over money, he will use to take out other girls to cheat on her.

Blazers

Interesting experience you had…love is tuff sometimes aint it?

Again, what she decides to do with the money I send her is her business. I am only satisfying a debt. After this the bank is closed….

What debt do you owe her? You just caught her in her first major lie on her first attempt. Consider yourself lucky, and keep your money. She's clearly just a standard hooker trying to play a rope-a-dope and doing it poorly.

Catocony,

Let the fool be separated from his money.

Catocony

Oh I owe her a lot..It is impossible for me to adequately articulate the emotional turmoil I was in and how she and her two friends completely turned me around….Did they consciously do that ? NOOOOO..but the bottom line is they did..

I guess in this case whether or not I am in “debt” to her is more subjective than objective….Sometimes we all have to do things to satisfy our own consciouse..My conscious says she did something for me and now I must do something for her, WITHIN REASON…Certainly you can’t argue sending someone who has done so much for you, REGARDLESS of that persons true intentions, at X-mass time is ridiculous or naive can you?..Besides, ”sweetys” true intentions have not been discovered yet so why should I ASSUME she is trying to “rope a dope” ?

BTW, that wasn’t the first lie I caught her in…the first lie was she initially told me she was married and separated…Later the marriage turned out to be a co habitation with her Boyfriend of 14 years…I think there is common law marriage in the Philippines and I do not think it’s a stretch for a woman who has been with the same man for that long to refer to him as her husband so I dismissed the lie as just an exaggeration of the truth…No big deal

Up date on sweety..

Just a few minutes ago “sweety” e-mailed me and thanked me for the money I am about to send…she still doesn’t know how much I am sending…she is now using the word Love a lot since I agreed to send her money for x-mass..So far, the words love and money seem to resonate together. Where there’s money, there’s love, and where there’s love, there’s money…hmmmm ????…so far the pessimists are winning


Stay tuned…

LovingMarvin was on the right track at the beginning of this thread, but then started to simp out in the end.


Birdlips,


You're simply wasting your money by sending it to this girl period. When you get back to Angeles, you can still have that same girl, and even some better newer and younger ones without sending a DIME.

I can't believe you guys are actually trying to rationalize sending a hooker money, but who am I to stop you? By all means keep doing it...and therefore make easier for me to get free sex in Angeles etc.....

Superion

Look man, we all have a way of wasting money. Your way is obviously different then mine. To each his own, right?


And let me set U straight on something. THE GIRL IS NOT A HOOKER….at least as far as I can tell…If you saw her you probably wouldn’t give her a fucking penny for sex considering every thing else available would appear to be a MILES better deal…and I do mean MILES…this girl is 37 or 39 years old ( I cant remember anymore. I’ll have to ask her again. Not that she would tell me the truth anyway ) she has an average body that’s a little flabby. She has average looks at best and stretch marks on her abdomen…WHO THE F IN HIS RIGHT MIND would pay for this girl when the 18-24 you goddess of cute is practically begging to screw your brains out for mere pocket change.?…Maybe that’s part of the attraction for me I DON’T KNOW. But what I do know is I liked her in bed, I liked her company and I like the fact that she purposely or inadvertently healed my wounds…

You want to tell me that aint worth shit on a stick?…FUCK YOU BUDDY!!!

(Message edited by birdlips on December 14, 2010)

Is this the same girl you said some other guy is sending 25,000 pesos/month???? How is her other guy sending her the money? It seems like she already worked out the ID issue on that one. I wonder if she is still married to that guy and that's the issue. You know, like she doesn't want to say send the money to "Roselin Smith" or something like that to match her ID.

I am sancho

Yes it is and you raise a valid point..I have the same question. She claims she has been separated for 3 years and hasn’t slept with a man since her separation..( lol even I don’t believe that one ) according to her, her X whatever works in Dubai so, he would have to Transfer money in a way that would require ID to collect. I guess I haven’t asked because I know she will just say she has her friend pick it up for her….I could believe that if she recently lost her ID but according to her she never had one…. if her X has been sending money every month for 3 years, you would think she would become more self reliant in that respect..

You may be correct with the “ still married “ analogy. I remember telling her early on when we first met about my not wanting to date married women ( I have ethics ) . Perhaps that’s why she went from being married and separated to being separated from her boy friend whom she says left her for another woman....

Additionally, she refuses to tell me where she lives. According to her she is worried about her kids and says she doesn’t know me well enough..…Couple that with her apparently not wanting me to know her real name, the “still married” theory gains weight….

Any Filipina who is even half heatedly serious (and really single) would have tried to drag you home to show you off to the whole big extended family first chance she got.

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If you saw her you probably wouldn’t give her a fucking penny for sex considering every thing else available would appear to be a MILES better deal…and I do mean MILES…this girl is 37 or 39 years old ( I cant remember anymore. I’ll have to ask her again. Not that she would tell me the truth anyway ) she has an average body that’s a little flabby. She has average looks at best and stretch marks on her abdomen…WHO THE F IN HIS RIGHT MIND would pay for this girl when the 18-24 you goddess of cute is practically begging to screw your brains out for mere pocket change.?

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"Have you seen the ugly guys that Portege screwed?"

Be nice! Hemp and GCL really aren't THAT ugly.

Awhile back Jjgettis stated Birdlips is a troll. Many here probably thought the comment either was premature, or based on stuff Jjgettis saw on another board from the same guy.

Based on how Birdlips's story is evolving (in response to the reply posts here), and the rather ridiculous aspects to his tale, I'm leaning towards Jjgettis's conclusion. Then again, I don't discount the possibility Birdlips is just one friggin' messed up guy (or one of the multiple handle guys here playing a prank, which I guess would also qualify him as a "troll," but at least one with humorous intent).

Except for those who enjoy these little "psychological studies" perhaps it would be appropriate not to feed him anymore.


(Message edited by laguy on December 14, 2010)

Birdlips

I can't speak from your prospective but I'll share this from my viewpoint. I have been visiting the Philippines for the past forty years and currently have GF from Zomboanga, Mindanao. She's never seen the inside of a bar and as Sancho stated, if a gal from the PI is sincere she'll make a strong effort to introduce you to her family since that's the way proper relationships are established in their culture. She's absolutely gorgeous, well educated but at the age of nineteen she doesn't "fuck like a ten". Someday she will but I don't care about that for now. IF my GF had ever brought up a need for money she would be gone! After all I've read on this post I'm getting the feeling you're spun out on this gal mainly due to your bad experiences with your soon to be Ex wife. To be frank you can dump money on "sweety" like a pimp with a week to live for all I care but you should Be Aware of your emotional state and what's driving your new found infatuation. When it comes to the possibilities in the Philippines, there's a whole lot of decent gals who would make trophy wives if you just slow down, take your time and think clearly.

(Message edited by popcorn on December 14, 2010)

At the end of the report, you marvelled that you were getting free sex...that was your first mistake. Whether she was pro or non-pro, you should have slipped her something and have been done with it..I mean completely done with it. The fact remains is that each trip is different and the next go round will be a newer better woman.

Pay her off on the first go and then be done. Get back on the plane and leave the Phils in the Phils. Then live for another day.

She's ... well educated but at the age of nineteen

Very well educated, 2nd year in college and tops in her class, honor roll type. Age and ones amount of education is relative Monger. What was you station in life at nineteen? But you seem to have overlooked my point. If a guy seeks a relationship with a Filipina, they would be ill advised to hook up with most girls from Angeles. They are typically poor, under educated from the province who sell their bodies for lack of a better option. There are some very well off and educated people in the Philippines who don't need money from anyone. The point being expressed to a newbie like Birdlips is there are better options if a person expands their search.

(Message edited by popcorn on December 15, 2010)

"most girls from Angeles. They are typically poor, under educated from the province who sell their bodies for lack of a better option."

You say that like it's a bad thing????

I had a lady in Shadows Bar tell me she was a graduate from "Blowjob University". Based on the quality of her workmanship I tend to believe she was telling the truth about her educational achievement although I did not actually see her diploma.

Too funny Sancho. It's not a bad thing for mongering, it's the ideal but for a relationship? I've yet to meet a gal from AC who I would trust on anything of consequence. It's one big giant whorehouse, whether you meet them in a bar, the mall or anywhere else.

From a serious relationship aspect I personally would stay away from Filipinas in general - From what I have seen the chances are generally stacked against you... One American guy I know back in states married a filipina with 8 kids, basically living perpetually broke and without money. 5 of the kids live in the states, for the rest (adult children) they are trying to get them a residence visa in the US. Absolutely insane. Another guy I know has a good job, but it takes quite a bit to keep his non-working (of course) Filipina princess happy. And then, it seems you generally assumed to support pretty much the majority of her family back in the Philippines.

I am sure there are some good ones out there - I don't doubt that - but for the most part it seems to me an uphill battle in trying to find one and you better be prepared to spend some serious coin.....

Those one night bar fines and tips look sooooo much more attractive and affordable :-)

If you really want to meet a Filipina and bring her back here, then why not go get an apartment for a month in front of the Makati Medical Center or right across from one of the prominent universities...that way you can bump into one of the more educated ones who would have a better chance here. By fishing from the pond in Angeles, you are basically scooping up the lowest of the low there. Thats like coming to the US to meet a woman, living out of a real ghetto neighborhood and trying to meet the ladies.

We're comparing whores and honeys, right? Sure, we've all heard about visa seekers. They're out there gaming to meet their needs. But there are other situations as well. I have a couple of GI buddies who have been happily married to Filipina's for many years. Their wives families come visit on occasion but don't burden themselves by staying longer than a week or two and have their own means of support. So not all situations are identical. I will concede that marrying outside of one's race can create unique challenges. It all comes down to having a good understanding for who you're considering hooking up with, be it GF or future wife and what type of characteristics you find compelling. It's just as easy to fucked over in the states if you're not paying attention. Relationships can be tough, things change and who knows were me and my GF will end up but for me and for now, I'll take my chances with what I have in front of me as opposed to finding a local gal whose need for breast implants, diamonds, jewelery, a sense of entitlement and someone surely willing and able to take everything she can get her hands on if things go south. So let's not get caught up on the cost of a relationship, they can wipe a guy out here, there or anywhere.

I am sancho…Popcorn

I agree. I know enough about Philipinos to know the good girls always want U to meet their family early on in the relationship. I asked sweety about her family and according to her they are scattered across the country and all have respectable jobs and are self reliant…Taking what U said in consideration, consider this….. The woman is 37 or 39 Years old. She met me on Fields Ave at the Paradise Bar or club. She was not out looking for anyone as far as I could tell and was just keeping her much younger friend ( 21 ) company. It was her friend that initiated contact with me and was trying to get me to go home with her. She was looking for a boy friend , sweety wasn’t…I nixed her off because I was interested in “sweety” who really was not paying much attention to me. Later on during the course of our conversations I managed to change that and got her interested…Sweety knew I was only in the Philippines for a short time. She found me on Fields Ave so she knows what I was doing there so why in the Hell would she take me home to meet her family even if that was possible?..Not only that but, Sweety tells me her X who supports her has threatened to cut out Half his support payments if he ever finds out she has a boy friend. If what she says is true and considering she is TOTALLY reliant on him for support, it would stand to reason she would want to keep my and her relationship as big a secret as possible…Furthermore, Reading around this forum about being expected to help support her extended family, I find our current situation desirable and want to keep it that way…

Laguy

Sure, a lot of this thread borders ridiculous. But I can assure u what I am writing is 100% raw truth. The events are true and my thoughts are true. I intend on continuing this thread as long as it takes for me to get to the bottom of sweetys objective. While I do that, I do not want to be taken to badly or at all. The experience of those who have been there and done that is, as I said before, Priceless…If you don’t believe what I am writing here then you don’t have to participate or in the alternative, you can just suck my dick.



Portege

“ you should have slipped her something and been done with it”…I cant argue with that..its probably true..but right now I am not fully in charge of my emotions so, I cant help it.

Up date on sweety

Yesterday I went to the western union with every intention of sending sweety the $250 I promised to send her for X-Mass..I walked up to the counter and began the paperwork. One of the boxes asked how much was being sent, at that point my mind frooze..Then a hundred thoughts in my head went to battle at the same time..The Club Hombres against The naive do gooders against the practical against the want to save the whole worlds ..I handed the slip to the clerk WITHOUT indicating how much I would be sending..She looked over my paper work and asked “ how much will you be sending sir”..I pulled out my wallet and handed the lady US $250..For a brief moment I felt no remorse, the Club Hombres had won..It was done..then I suddenly looked in my wallet and saw more money there..I didn’t need the money I thought, and sweety has 2 children to feed and really showed me a good time..the do gooders and save the worlds had just decked the club hombres..knockum out cold..I immediately pulled another hundred out and added that to the total which is now $350..which is better than the initial US $ 500 I was going to send. A few seconds after handing over the money the club Hombres regained conscious. I was feeling stupid. But by the time I got back to my car I was hit by a new revelation…I did a good thing

Sweety e-maled mailed me this morning after having collected her bounty. She was euphoric…amongst other things, she told me she loves me even more now…( hmmm..the o’l money and love go together thing)..she sent me one of those thank you cards you send over the internet..( Pugh, big expense huh?) ..The e-mails that followed echoed a similar chime. She was happy.. I now have made her as happy as she had made me, or so it seems..

Now I realize what some of the Folks around this forum have been saying. Money is a relative thing. When considering compensation one must consider the economic conditions within the country the compensation is taking place. What seems like little to us here in America is a lot in other places. One should not think inn terms of his place of residence but in terms of the place of payment. My thanks to those of have brow beatin me into reducing my original plans of sending $500..I think doing so would have done more harm than good in many ways


Stay Tuned…..

Troll.

Nothing to see here... everyone please move on...

Smitopher

Again I am being called a Troll without a reasonable explanation as to why that is..

My post is pertinent to the purpose of this web site…the information I am providing is true and accurate…DOING THAT IS NOT TROLLING..It is educational…What is going on here is educational for me and I would suspect educational for some who MAY be reading this and who MAY be contemplating a mongering trip to the Philippines. Or any other country for that matter…

As I said before what I am posting are NON exaggerated events and RAW thoughts as I am thinking them…Many around here can identify with things I have said though they would never admit such in an open discussion….I have a few Private e-mails from fellow Club Hombres with stories and emotions that draw a distinct parallel to what I’m feeling and the situation I now find myself in…

Sure it all seems Bazaar. It is. Its really bazaar. But, if it wasn’t bazaar, it wouldn’t be worth writing about…

errr i ment bizarre not "bazaar"...lol..damn spell check aint worth a shit sometimes, you know?

So, who'll be surprised if her mother suddenly discovers she needs a kidney transplant or something in the next week to 10 days?

If they are expecting me to pay for it, she is gonna die

I know some of you around here think I am foolish sending my “sweety” money for x-mass but like I said before THE BANK IS NOW CLOSED

Anyone who knows me, and I know you guys don’t, knows I am one of the cheapest fucks you will ever meet..I am a self made millionaire ( well only until the divorce is over and our assets and investments are divided ) with only a general education deploma..The highest grade I completed in high school was the 8th grade though I attended 10 years..I WAS A FLUNKY..OK! ?!?!?!…but that doesn’t mean I am stupid…

You know you would be really smart is if you could find away to give your about to be ex's stuff to your new girl friend.

There are some attorney guys here on CH. Maybe they might know how to do that for you.

MM

True it might be a smart thing to do but I really am not looking to stick it to my soon to be X…I just want a clean 50/50 split. No anger or hostility to follow me after the divorce. And for those who may be wondering, I WILL NOT have to pay alimony…Since we became millionaires 5 or 6 years ago, I have sorta semi retired and spend most of my time taking care of kids while my wife spends most of her time working and having affairs. She will have to pay ME alimony to the tune of $90,000 a year, more or less for a few years after everything is final....Not sure if I want it. I really don’t need it. Best scenario would be no strings attached when its finished…..

Take the alimony. Nice to see a woman pay it for a change. Swallow your pride. Take it or tell her to give you the assets and no spousal support. I know what I am talking about, at least as it relates to California.

Now guys can understand why photos are so important for these reports, even photos of surrounding areas. When a guy doesnt take photos and has an odd report, our first assumption is that he is a troll and this might or might not be the case here.

Lesson, dont take a trip without a camera or you could be a troll.

EXACTLY!!!…I am trying to convince her to give me ALL the assets instead of her paying me alimony. Making some progress there but the problem is she has still not accepted the fact that we are divorcing…She will eventually..

The only photos I have are of My sweety I took with my Cell phone and I have no desire to share my special someone with you horny ass holes..lol..

Hummm..Maybe I can and just block out her face…hummmm..I will consider it but if I do I am not open to any criticism of her OR any derogatory statements about her looks or figure…she is special. Other than that you may fire away….

There should be enough info in this thread without posting pictures to convince at least some of the more experienced posters that this is a true story..


Here’s a little something else that happened to me whilst I was in AC….In my initial post I was telling about when I first met sweety at the Paradise bar and how I stayed there all night drinking..At about 7 am I jumped into a tryic and went to look for another Hotel..What I left out was….. after checking hotels up and down Fields ave and a few side streets I asked the tryic guy to take me onto the old air force base and show me the Hotels there…he said he couldn’t take a tryic on the base so I went with him to his home to get a motorcycle. His house was what you would expect somewhere on the edge of town.. Chickens in the yard ect ect ect…This must have been tryic central cause ever shack it seemed had a tryic parked in front..In front of the house there were about 7 kids just playing in the dirt. I gave each a 5 pesos coin..they were happy..Me and my chauffeur if you will got on his Bike and headed for Clark…Just inside the gate at the first stop light stood a cop..when we stopped at the light I became over come from the lack of sleep and the booze I had consumed. Essentially I passed out and took my chauffeur and the Motor bike with me to the Pavement, right beside the cop..The cop wasn’t impressed and gave the guy a ticket..he said I he shouldn’t be driving a drunk around on the back of his bike..My chauffeur said I was a good friend of his and I agreed ( lol I didn’t know the guy ) that’s why he was doing what he did..the cop it seems bought it and just gave him a ticket for blocking traffic..We got back on the Bike but couldn’t go anywhere. The Gear shifter by the foot rest was bent all the way back..I plopped on the ground and braced myself to get leverage and bent the gear shifter back in place with my foot..We drove off but not to look at hotels..we now had to pay the ticket..The cop told us to go to the CDC office. My chauffeur didn’t know where it was and we spent about 45 minuets or so before we found it..Once we got there the cop standing in front of the building said the guy we need to pay is gone and will not be back for another hour or two..By this time I was getting really tired and aggravated…I Literally grabbed the ticket from My chauffeurs hands and handed it to the Cop. The Fine was 300 pesos..I gave the cop 500 pesos and said..” you will take care of this wont you, I don’t have time to stay and get my change”..he said no problem and we left..I had him take me back to the Natalia without looking at any Hotels on clark..I had determined by then it would be a pain in the a$$ to stay on the Air Base so, fuck it…..

I would guess 80% of the time tourists in SEA get jacked, rolled, the shit kicked out them or tossed into a Monkey House for one offense or another or end up dead is because they drank too much. A few drinks are fun but anyone cruising the streets who looks inebriated, especially alone has a flashing neon sign on the top of their head stating FUCK ME. This guy tried to help and it turned out as a minor fine lucky for you, it could have ended up much worse especially since you placed your trust in a trike driver. A number of these guys are lowlifes just hoping to find an easy mark. Here's some other basics for the newbies.

1. Always ask the hack "How Much" before you even get into a taxi, including all tolls.

2. Never accept an invitation to a special event, usually portrayed as a new bar opening or some type of promotion, in many cases by trike drivers.

3. Don't accept an invitation to a friendly card game. The best outcome is you'll lose your bankroll, could turn out worse.

4. Get to know the Mamasan, Bar Manager or Owner whenever possible. They can save you time, money and normally they will give you some useful insight on the girls they employ.

5. Don't expect security to be diligent in safeguarding you personal items. In many cases they're the crooks. Whenever you leave your room if you can't fit in the safe, hide it as best you can. If you have a suitcase, use small locks to secure things inside. It's easier for a crook to hide a laptop under his shirt than try to leave a hotel with a big suitcase.

5. Pickpockets work tourist destinations as a matter of habit. Always better to keep your cash in your front pocket, much tougher to get to there without you knowing it. If I'm carrying large amounts of cash which can't always be avoided, I'll fold it in half and put it in the very bottom of a sock I'm wearing.

6. If you find yourself in a situation with the police where it is easier to pay a bribe, offer a small amount, it will probably work if it's a minor issue. If they tell you it's illegal to bribe a policeman (which has happened to me), just say it's not a bribe, I was just hoping you can pay the fine for me.

7. Unless it's overly obvious always ask to see a girls ID. Some cops, especially in Angeles have made a cottage industry setting up tourists in cahoots with local under aged girls. I've seen them working Kokomo's on a number of occasions. Typical fine/bribe IF a release is offered around $250,000 pesos.

8. In general, watch your step around Aussies you don't know. They like to mix it up when they drink and they can drink like no one else on the planet.

9. AIDS does exist in the PI, Angeles is no exception. If you're thinking it's relatively safe to have unprotected sex with anyone, your deceiving yourself.

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(Message edited by popcorn on December 16, 2010)

"the information I am providing is true and accurate…DOING THAT IS NOT TROLLING..It is educational"

Let me give you something educational for your own good, don't ever return to the PI. If you do you'll likely end up broke, dead or both. Anyone who jumps on a trike alone and shit faced drunk, then believes the trike driver when he's told the driver is taking him to his house is a tragedy waiting to happen. Then add in the fact you're throwing money at a lying forty year old monster because she fucks like a ten... Dude, you need a check up from the neck up and I am OUT!

Birdlips:

Obvisouly, there is a lot of controversy about some of your opinions, but you did your own hole by trying to reexplain your position.

You would be better off listening to what people say, and either agree / not agree, but you only dig a further whole by writing more and more.

I think the best thing if you don't agree with people after you have said you piece, it to stop writing.

This thread is turning into a lot os mush and a waste of many peoples time including my to have written this.

By the way, with pictures your post would be a lot more believable.

I bet your honey wish from the Arlington, VA Manila take out and you fell in love with the driver. Now we know why there are no pictures.

Please order rice and fish heads for me next time you see her. Does she come inside your place when she delivers the rice?

MM

Majormajor said it best:

"....the best thing if you don't agree with people after you have said your piece, is to stop writing."

"This thread is turning into a lot of mush and a waste of many peoples time...."

At this juncture even Dear Abby and Miss Manners would throw in the towel.

(Message edited by copperfieldkid on December 17, 2010)

Repeating what others have correctly observed:

Troll, Troll, Troll

"but that doesn’t mean I am stupid…"

Evidence to the contrary continues to mount.

Popcorn

I agree doing what I did with the Tryic guy was foolish to say the least. When I am drunk I have a habit of indulging in risky behavior. Knowing this I typically refrain from getting blasted but sometimes I gotta let loose. That was one of those times…Some good advice in your previous post BTW…..And I have to agree with your assessment of Aussies. They are volatile….During my short stay in Manila I ran into 3 of them sitting at a table at the same spot I was at over looking the street. They were a routy bunch, drinking and having a good time. A Female beggar with a small child in her arms walks by and put her hand out towards the Aussies..they began loudly Chastising and berating her telling her to get a “F”ing job this that and the other..I reached out and handed her a few coins..the Asussies seemed to be outraged at this..By this time I had heard enough of there crap. My blood was boiling..… I stood up shouting “ SHUT THE FUCK UP…NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR YOUR STUPID SHIT….THE LADY IS HOME LESS AND JOBS AINT EXACTLY A DIME A FUCKING DOZEN IN THIS CITY…WTF DO YOU WANT HER TO DO!!!”…The entire Block fell silent. No body said a word for a few seconds then every one went about their own business. The Aussies continued to be loud and enjoy themselves and I even joined in with them but they were no longer having fun at the expense of the misfortunate…Some Americans sitting nearby went out of their way to tell me I did the right thing..But, I really didn’t need their aproval..I knew I was right….And I have no intention of staying away from the Philippines. Hopefully, with a little help from this forum, I will go, shall we say, better armed next time..

Majormajor

I have no problem listening to what other people say and encurage everyone to say EXCTLY what they are thinking. Is long as they believe it to be the truth..and, as such I will do the same…More is learned that way.

Copperfieldkid

Both are phoneys..please don’t put me in the same thought s them.

Branquinho

Nice photo of your last mongering trip..What ever turns you on I suppose

Catocony

Blow me

Looks like we've got a live one, guys.

Bwana dik

Not sure what you mean by that…please elaborate


Up Date on sweety

Sweetys euphoria as waned a bit since she siphoned a few green backs from my bank account. Now its more or less the same e-mails back and forth several times a day…“Good morning/night me miss you much” ..“ I am falling in love with you” ect ect...she says..I respond..” I miss you too sweety”..” I love you to sugar”.”.Sleep well Precious” ect ect ect….If anyone gains access to my e-mail account and started reading the 100 or so e-mails that basically said the same thing over and over and over one would get the impression they would have been sent at least 1 or to weeks apart. They weren’t. they are usually minutes apart. Its ludicrous. We say the same things over and over an over again.. She, as well as I seem to be reluctant to carry on a decent conversation. A conversation that would produce something of substance about the other. It doesn’t happen. Anything thing of an inquisitive nature is quickly side stepped by my sweety AND myself. I don’t know about her but, My reasons are clear. In as much as I myself and others around here think “sweety” may not be on the level and is withholding the truth about her REAL self, I have to confess SO HAVE I !!…..As far as sweety knows I am already DIVORCED and am TOTALLY detached from my X..My X lives in one house, I live in another, or so swetty has been told..The fact is my divorce has only started and it will be another year or so before it is finished. I am reluctant to say anything about myself for fear of burying myself in lies. If you tell one lie, you will have to tell dozens more to cover up the initial one. We all know that and that’s why I don’t tell her anything I don’t have to....But the thing that’s really bothering me is sweety is acting the same way as ME….what a bitch huh?…anyway, I don’t see how this is gonna work…I don’t know exactly what she is all about but I know I cant carry on this way….At some point, and I think I will wait till after x_mass to do it, I am going to have to tell her whats up..If me and sweety are going to have any kind of relationship, whether it be one of friend ship, friends with benefits or a romantic one we are going to have to talk about other thing other than how fucking much we miss each other..I cant take it anymore…


Stay Tuned….

"Stay Tuned…."

The whole world is waiting on your updates. Consider notifying the New York Times and the Manila Times.

Birdlips:

I am a "Pre-op" asian transual. I have also had a face life, I am completo, and will have great lips you can kiss after my operation next week.

Maybe we could get together some time.

Please DO NOT send money. I just want to meet a real man.

Besos.



MM

CPK:

You are doing Birdlips a disservice and just cannot believe you were you that cold hearted.

Unless you have Alzheimers, you would remember that Dear Abby, and Miss Manners have passed on to the great beyond.

I bet you used to live in San Diego, and bet you almost recommeded Birdlips as an understudy to Dr Barber also.

Please be more sensitive in the future CPK.

MM

I beg your pardon, but Miss Manners is still of this mortal coil. Still writing, her column appears in over 200 papers weekly. She, in fact, is far more alive than CFK, since she has appeared in public recently while CFK has not been seen in years!!!!!

Miss Manners has also been getting a lot more pussy than CFK over the last couple of years.

The present Dear Abby is the daughter of the original, very much alive and well continuing the advice column her Mother started.

MM, Birdlips; keep in mind I'm always 98% right!

What would be of more interest to all of us would be an answer tendered by Birdlips to the discuss topic of What Does Your Handle mean? [Located in Topics, Advice/Questions/Commentary.

Yea, but waht about Dr Barber?

MM

Dr Barber? Wow, you are probably older than I am.

Is Burl Stiff still writing about the La Jolla social scene?

700 fucking pesos per hour per horse! Exactly what did you expect for that? A pony show? The Santos BJ girls will be strapping on saddles when they learn about this scam.

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Birdbrain chirped: Bwana dik

Not sure what you mean by that…please elaborate

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"THE GIRL IS NOT A HOOKER….at least as far as I can tell…If you saw her you probably wouldn’t give her a fucking penny for sex considering every thing else available would appear to be a MILES better deal…and I do mean MILES…this girl is 37 or 39 years old ( I cant remember anymore. I’ll have to ask her again. Not that she would tell me the truth anyway ) she has an average body that’s a little flabby. She has average looks at best and stretch marks on her abdomen…WHO THE F IN HIS RIGHT MIND would pay for this girl when the 18-24 you goddess of cute is practically begging to screw your brains out for mere pocket change.?…Maybe that’s part of the attraction for me I DON’T KNOW."

Birdbrain, what did you say your girlfriend's email address was again?

We are off topic here. THIS is for trip reports.

I will start a new tread called "Birdlips Tradegy" and please continue and further writings on this topic there.

THANK YOU.

MM

Another idea.

Since this is all related to Birdlips, maybe further postings here should be on www.twitter.com

Just a thought.

MM

Majormajor

Thank you for your generous offer and am somewhat interested however, after reading your and others replies to my initial post, I am forced to view what you say with some degree of skepticism. Therefore, I will require PROOF you have actually become “Post Op“….Photos of your lacerated dick will suffice..




Hot4ass2

Lol

Laguy

“birdbrain, what did you say your girlfriends email address was again?”

You see what I mean?..If I posted her picture it would be worse..I can hear it now ..” Hey man, I had that same bitch 2 years ago..she was a 3 holer back then, what about now?” or “ Yeah, I remember her. I had that hoe paying me for sex”…ect…Thanks for helping me make my final decision on that issue.

Catocony

“ so, who’ll be surprised if her mother suddenly discovers she needs a kidney transplant in the next week to 10 days”

You posted that Dec 16...On December 17, “sweety” emailed me claiming her mother is having heart problems. Details to follow……………

Up Date on sweety

All you veterans pretty much knew what was coming. The writing was on the wall..For some it was there before I posted a word. For others, well, I guess you just kinda got the impression somewhere along the way..As for me, I knew it, but at the same time, didn’t know it. Contrary to what appears to be popular belief, I’m not stupid. I knew it was headed in this direction but the fires of love in the making kept burning and smoke from the fire was blinding…..until now. ..Just days ago, Dec 17, “sweety” emailed me the following…

“..iam not feeling well sweety coz my mom shes sick,may cousin his here to tell about may mom condition..may cousin name is robin his gay sweety….she had dievitis and heart problem…iam sad coz x mass is coming then may mom shes sick….later I’ll go to may mom house “

In case any of you newbie’s out there reading this are having a hard time comprehending what she is saying let me translate it for you…

“..iam not feeling well coz my mom shes sick”

Translation…I’m feeling great cause I am about to juice you

“..may cousin his here to tell me about my mom condition”

Translation…My lover helped me come up with the idea

“…may cousin name is robin he is gay”

I don’t want you to think I am with my lover

“..She had dievitis and heart problem”

Its going to be expensive to cure

“iam sad coz x mass is coming then may mom is sick”

I want you to feel sad for me so you will send more money

“Later I’ll go to may moms house”

I’ll give you time to think about how much you want to send


A subsequent email produced this….

“ hi sweety…am home,we go back on Monday to laboratory of may mom.I’ll give her money to buy medicine..thank you very much to comfort me sweety..may mom said you don’t have to give me money ***** coz I know your situation…you swetty I’ve always cry in fort of may mom. And I said don’t worry about me mom I don’t care if I don’t have money on x mas.important is you mom.shes crying again…thank you very much sweety…love you more and more sweety…I miss you so much….GODSPEED!!


For most of you, even the stupidest of stupid ones, you would have called it a night with this bitch but, not the Bird..no sir..for as much as the flames of love were doused by her latest quest for my cash, Amongst the still warm ashes lies a hot amber. Sweety still has a chance…and it all depends on how hard she wants to push this one….After all, She has yet to directly ask me for anything


Stay Tuned….

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Amongst the still warm ashes lies a hot amber. Sweety still has a chance…and it all depends on how hard she wants to push this one….After all, She has yet to directly ask me for anything

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1. You are not worth helping
2. You are a Troll and not worth responding to

Smitopher

I agree…things are panning out almost EXACTLY as you Vets have been saying..and your credibility continues to escalate…however, some people need to experience things for themselves. I am just such a person…Again, let me stress, I AM NOT GOING TO GIVE HER ANY MORE MONEY…If I haven’t learned anything else form you guys, I’VE LEARNED THAT!!…

My corresponding with her, which is basically all we are doing now, is harmless…

And

I don’t know what you are talking about with regards to the 3 year old trip report of yours soooo let me ask you this, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!..

"Your wrong when you say “ it doesn’t matter what anyone here thinks regarding your new found friend “…It does matter..these guys have been there , done that. They know the ropes and I have no desire to reinvent the wheel so to speak, or to become a victim"

I stand by what I initially stated. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks since you disregarded almost everyone's advise and dropped $350.00 anyway.

"then I suddenly looked in my wallet and saw more money there..I didn’t need the money"

Where can I buy a wig and a one way ticket to Norfolk?

"If I gave her US $5000 for doing that, it would still be cheaper than years of therapy that probably wouldn’t have worked"

I can be your therapist, you want my PayPal info?

Lol

OK popcorn

You have to remember my intial state of mind going back to my initial post…as you can see, I am hardening but haven’t yet become an iceberg like you guys…certainly you can see some progress..Give me some more time…

Birdlips:

I am sorry good buddy, but I believe the photo proof you desire, is against management policy here.

MM

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Birdturd dribbled: I don’t know what you are talking about with regards to the 3 year old trip report of yours soooo let me ask you this, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!..

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Aye, "but the fires of love in the making kept burning and smoke from the fire was blinding"....and, of course at the beginning "
She is fantastic so I’m going with it and see where it goes.."

I think the state department needs to issue an urgent travel advisory to most monger destinations to advise AGAINST travel of gullible and naive men to these destinations.

it is so unfortunate that with so much advice posted by guys that have been there, seen it all, and it still makes no difference to open someone eyes.

At this point the recommendation would be for you to indeed empty your bank account and sell all your assets to help her and her family out!

Majormajor

That’s not my problem

Smitopher

“ oh, and thank you for digging up a 3 year old trip report post of mine and saying I’m full of shit. It illustrates allot about you “

Oh really now..hummm..that’s interesting. Well, looking at this from your vantage point one would have to see you in the same valley as I, troll…And BTW, If in the future you wish to avoid such comments posted in your reports, might I suggest sticking to the truth instead of reporting your lame fantasies…now beat it, b*tch…

Lovingmarvin

Ok marvy. Give me a break..I have admitted to being vulnerable and this thread has demonstrated just how vulnerable I am..But YOU and everyone here should give me my props for seeking help and drawing upon you experiences. ..As I scroll through this thread from top to bottom, I see myself evolving from what you now describe me as being to what you think I should become. I don’t know why ya’ll don’t see that..

Sure, I had a weak moment when I went to send “sweety” her, shall we say, earnings…Yeah, I included a bonus, BIG DEAL!!..Was it the right thing to do?..at the time I thought it was but, hind sight being 20/20, IT WASN’T…now she thinks I am a fool whom she believes she cant sink her teeth into anytime she pleases. But, would it have been any different if I sent her US $50? NO..Ok so yous guys warned me..what do you want from me..have I not thanked you enough for your help?…have I not said “hey you guys were right?” NOOOOOOO…

Just because I keep corresponding with her doesn’t mean anything else will become of our relationship nor does it mean I will give her any more money..I have learned my lesson. ..And I believe yous guys when you say there are plenty women out there that will be younger, better looking, better in bed and just as fun to be with. But as of RIGHT NOW I haven’t met them. And until I do, or until “sweety” does something other than what probably 99.999% of all Filipino women do ( ask for money ) , I see no reason to cut her loose…CAN YOU?

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Smitopher

Some lady named Greg is looking for you…Said something about wanting your “shrimp“…BAAAAA HA AH HAH AHAHAH AHAHA HHAHAHAHHAAHA AH HA AH AH AH AHAHHA AHAHA AH A

Up date on sweety.

Not much to report of late. Since her email describing her mothers illness I have been pretty much giving her the cold shoulder. we’ve exchanged a few emails since but I avoid mentioning anything about the subject. I had expected her to tell me all about their visit to the “laboratory” on Monday but so far she hasn’t mentioned it…Perhaps she read my ( the bank is closed ) vibes correctly….If that’s the case I have to give her a point in the intelligence category. She has no idea how thin the ice on which she walks is, or perhaps she does……..

Stay Tuned………..

Not since Quasimodo lusted after Esmeralda has there been a more passionate love affair. Love is a many-splintered thing.

Almost love affair

While I did indicate the “ fires of love were growing”..what ever it was I was feeling has been subdued as I have come to the realization of just how superficial my affair with her WAS and currently IS…That said, I do still have a very real attraction towards her ( the hot amber thing ) …Maybe its because she gave me something totally unexpected, like the trip to Subic Bay and horse back riding, Maybe its because her and her friends made the trip feel like something other than a sex vacation. Maybe because she, at least temporarily, filled a long neglected void in my life, to be treated like a REAL man …The most likely reason is her ability to clamp her pussy muscles so tightly around my cock, I couldn’t pull out even if I wanted to before she got hers. Couple that with her orgasms so intense she became a human piranha, biting my chest and shoulders to the point where they were bruised for weeks. Totally animalistic. I loved it

What ever the case, yes, I still do want to see her again. If for nothing else but to just feel her sink her teeth into me one more time..lol

BTW,, does your “Copperfield” handle have anything to do with that Magician guy?. Are you into magic?

"the hot amber thing"???

maybe you mean "hot ember?"

Tell us, are you a



or are you a


???

Just curious.

Birdlips,

My Copperfieldkid handle has nothing to do with majic, not into it. I found a penny in a field when I was a kid.

In my second post I asked what does your handle mean.[Dec 17] Under topics;Advice/Questions/Commentary What Does Your Handle Mean

Last time I looked, chickens didn't have lips, so from a cultural standpoint, how did you choose your handle. Personally I would find a chicken with lips repulsive.

CFK

I can't believe I am about to write this,

but this thread actually makes me miss the troll stylings of The Happy Monge.

Branquinho

I have to agree, The best way to narrow your options when trying to figure someone out is to see how they spell “ Ember”…Always a good clue…usually a dead ringer…You a smart dude, dude…keep up the good work…

Copperfieldkid

Oh I see now.…You …found…a penny…in a field…when you were a kid….Hmmm..well, at some point in most peoples lives they experience life changing events that shape and mold us to what we eventually become. Considering you obviously want to relive what seems to be quite a jubilant event in your life, I would say you are probably one of the cheapest pricks alive, Not to mention socially deprived…

Mongerx

Never heard of this “happy Monge. “ character so I don’t know what to make of your post. I have to choices at this point…

1) Assume you are going with the flow and are insulting me and respond accordingly

Or


2) Give you the benefit of the doubt since this is the first I’ve heard from you and assume nothing negative was meant by it


At this point I will take #2 but be warned, it wont take much to change my mind so tread lightly, I am like a wounded animal who has been cornered right now. I could get vicious real quik

tahw syas llort?

Ich habe keine Ahnung, was sie auf dem laufenden..bitte sprechen deutsch

(Message edited by birdlips on December 22, 2010)

Troll,

Not only did you not seem to know that "amber" is not "ember" but you don't know the meaning of the phrase "dead ringer," thus confirming that you are both a troll and a loser. Thank you for clearing that up.

Little Whitey

I feel objectified (AGAIN)! I have convincing evidence that chickens don't have lips. BTY, my childhood was a jublilant time, to say the least, however, I was not allowed to join CH until I reached a certain level of depravity.

-CFK

Branquinho

I am not even going to address the Amber vs. Ember thing. Your assumption that I don’t know the difference is ludicrous….And as far as “ Dead Ringer “ goes..How that phrase is perceived is normally determined by the context in which it was used..In your case “ normally” obviously doesn’t apply…

Copperfieldkid


I am glad to hear you had a great childhood and I want you to know I suspected no less.. Its not every child on this planet who gets such a special opportunity to make such a noteworthy find. Now please excuse me while I go and thank the lord I wasn’t born > YOU….

BL

Up Date on sweety

The final straw

Communication between Me and Sweety improved this week. While neither of us could engage in swapping personal information, we did manage to find safe territory where we could get off the “love you “ miss you” crap and move on to the “ me so Horney” phase of our long distance relation ship..Emails containing the words…”I am Hot”..” and “ you make me so wet” and “ I miss you be inside me “ were the theme for this week..For a day or two I was actually looking forward to our daily correspondence…But then it happened. Little did I know it was a “ makeum horney then suck his wallet dry” ploy…Just as the Hot, Ahem…“EMBER“ began to reignite a small flame, And just as I was starting to forget her REAL motives for wanting to continue a relationship we both knew was going nowhere, She popped the question. And it went down like this……

“ Last night sweety,me and **** were planning to go with my kidsdis to go in enchanted kingdom to bonding my kids….if its ok with you cant I ask you a favor?? “

“ were planning maybe on 29 “

“ can you give me money swety?if its ok with you?love you sweety….

That’s it, its over, I’m done…While I did want to see sweety at least one more time, I DO NOT want to be asked for money at least once a week while trying to accomplish that task..Its only a matter of time before she cops an attitude at me for ignoring her self described financial situation and I do not even want to hear it….This is where it ends folks…Sweety has already gottin the last email she will ever get from me….And it went like this…


Merry X-Mass Sweety, and thank you so much for everything.

Love Birdlips

So Birdbrain, you finally got rid of sweety. Does that mean we are finally going to get rid of you?

Hopefully yours,
LAguy

Birdshit,

Wrong again. Context does not change the meaning of "dead ringer." It means (quoting Webster's): "a person or thing that seems exactly like someone or somethings else." As in "Birdlips is a dead ringer for that kid Corkey on 'Life Goes On.'" A single definition is provided with no alternate meanings.

I suspect the phrase you were trying for was "dead giveaway." That would at least make sense, semantically speaking. "Dead ringer" doesn't work any which way.

Troll: confirmed
Loser: confirmed

Birdlips:

Why do you keep digging yourself into abuse?

Just go with whatever your thing is. Obviously, other guys are not changing their views on things, and you are not changing yours.

Why is this thread continuing?

Did you use to be a grave digger birdlips?

Just an observation, and you are entitled to your opinions. However, there are a lot of set opinions here also.

Obviously, this is the immovable object against other immovable objects.

All of this is really old at this point.

MM

If you had just done something simple, like screaming your soon to be Ex's name the first time you tuned up Sweety, all this emotional turbulence could have been avoided...

Dearest Laguy,

FUCK >YOU!!!

Sincerely,

Birdlips

Branquinhoe,



Sorry genius, it does…In the context that > I < used it, the phrase “Dead Ringer” takes on the same meaning it would have if it was used during a game of horse shoes….


Bonehead: confirmed

Majormajor

“ Why do you keep digging yourself into abuse”

At this point, I am going to have to ask you to define “abuse”

“ just go with whatever your thing is. Obviously, other guys are not changing their views on things, and you are not changing yours”

Haven’t I been doing that?..

“ why is this thread continuing”

Because YOU and people like YOU keep posting in it..THAT’S WHY..

“Did you use to be a grave digger birdlips? “

Relevance?

“ Just an observation, and you are entitled to your opinions. However, there are a lot of set opinions here”

OH reeeeeeealllyy?..Ya don’t say..gosh, I could NEVER have figured that out myself….GEE TANKS!!!

“obviously, this is the immovable object against other immovable objects”

Damn, dis Nigga think he be that there, Issac Newton dude…

“All of this is really old at this point “

Don’t tell me, tell your buddies. Besides, It looks like this thread is coming to a close anyway. I dumped sweety so……


Popcorn

Not so sure that would have helped…If money is what sweety really wanted , why would she care whos name I screamed?….

Your responsse are so friend, insightful, and reveal so much useful information.

That said, your wife probably should have dumped you a long time ago, and really has had to endure and ugly life with you!.

MM

Thanks MM

Just the thought you may actually be correct on this one will help me make it through yet another day with that CUNT!!!

(Message edited by birdlips on December 24, 2010)

(Message edited by birdlips on December 24, 2010)

Birdlips,

Congratulations! You've placed yourself in the company of some of the great Club Hombre losers of times past: KidCisco, Turk5555, Roblaw, WestFargo, etc. You're a star!

Did you used to date a brasileira named Christiane?

Actually, I think Birdlips is in a class all by himself (fortunately for us).

aveslabios:

Feliz Navidad.

MM

(Message edited by majormajor on December 24, 2010)

Branquiho

"As in "Birdlips is a dead ringer for that kid Corkey on 'Life Goes On.'""

LOL!! I throw out a Corkey quote every now and again and it doesn't always get the response it deserves..Glad to see someone else put a little stock into it as well..

I cant believe how much shit you're saying to LAGUY- I think he was being a little more chill about it and didn't really deserve a big FUCK YOU...agreed?

And...

"OH reeeeeeealllyy?..Ya don’t say..gosh, I could NEVER have figured that out myself….GEE TANKS!!!
"
Gee "t"anks...dude you are such a fuckin dork..lol..who talks like that?Or would use that as a rebuttal?

I seriously picture you as the kid that would talk shit to a bunch of kids on the playground and then go and hide behind the recess teacher until the bell rings...

Im going back through your posts and Im trying to figure out where things went wrong..

Dude I read people for a living and I usually can see if someone is doing shtick, or just trying to rile shit up, but I seriously think this is actually you genuinely being you..and I guess I would ask:

A)Whats your motive for your behavior?
B)Was your initial intent in joining this board genuine and good?
C)Did you intentially change your handle specifically to come back and provoke shit?Why did you change your name?
D)Did you have a good relationship with the members when you had your old handle name?
E)Everyone else on this board is here because they enjoy learning, sharing experiences, building relationships and thoroughly enjoy themselves.In that process though it does take considerable amount of time to be a healthy contributor and or just an observering member, but they invest that time because they receive a positive outcome, and enjoy themselves. So, what repeatidly brings you back?
F)What would it take for you to recant and try to become a sincere contributor of the board?
G)Is F possible?

"Im going back through your posts and Im trying to figure out where things went wrong"

That shouldn't be very time consuming.

Assuming he ever left his basement, which is a difficult assumption since he offers no evidence to the contrary. Even though he claims to have been a member here for the past three years and had been thinking of visiting the PI for some time, he made rookie mistakes at virtually every turn. He got worked his entire trip beginning the moment he stepped of the plane.

Many in this thread initially offered useful advise but Birdlips defered, explaining away his obvious misteps due to his emotional state of mind, all the while refusing to believe Sweety was just another veteran solider in the swollen ranks of mercenary, whorebag Filipina's. Continuing an already long-in-the-tooth chronicle of his short sighted and ill fated relationship with Sweety only served to confirm his stubborn and myopic vision.

Then his credibility was questioned, not only here but other threads as well. Inadequate responses and assuming a posture of righteous indignation, lashing out with name calling and other forms of childish behavior.

Here's my final take on Birdlips. He seems to have a good heart, yet still in the throughs of a marriage gone sour which contributes to his lack of clear thinking. As for ever being able to gain any measure of respect or reconstruct his image in this community, that's not likely. He's been the target of more abuse on this thread alone than any member in the history of CH.

He would be far better off to assume another identity, for which he's well versed, wiping the slate clean with a fresh start. If he chooses to do so, which I feel is highly unlikely, hopefully he will have his Ex in his wake and give some thought to his "contributions" well before he swings his keyboard into action.

(Message edited by popcorn on December 25, 2010)

BL does not need to change identities.

Only needs to quit reexplaining himself. If he does not want others say, move on. You only open yourself up when you keeps arguing with others. Biggest problem BL forgets we are smarter than he is.

Remember. once you have stated your opinion, best shutup, listen, and move on.

I bet everyone hear would forget about this, and BL would be much happier also, he would be a welcomed to the crowd of sick people. I mean, someone has to be named Birdlips.

Only when you swim up stream, do we throw rocks off bridges at you while you are drowning.

Hope BL makes it back and quits trying to argue with us Phd mental cases. You know we are all so much smarter, but we just don't tell anyone.

MM

Bwana dik

Never had the honor of meeting such posters so I don’t know how bad or how good your compliment or insult was….

Hunerman

True. I do like to think I am in a class by myself..how good that is for you has yet to been seen

Joesph666

“ But I seriously think this is actually you genuinely being you “

That observation adds credibility to your “ Dude I read people for a living “ statement, though I don’t know what good it will do you in this case.

“ what is your motive for your behavior?”

That question removes credibility to your “ I read people for a living” statement

“ was your initial intent in joining this board genuine and good?”

Certainly was and still is. But that doesn’t mean I should just bend over and take a whipping from those who disagree with my POVs or who think I am full of crap because some of what I say seems unbelievable.

“Did you have a good relationship with the members when you had your old handle?”

Never posted under my old handle. This thread is the first time I have ever posted here

“Everyone else on this board is here because they enjoy learning, sharing experiences, building relationships and thoroughly enjoy themselves.”

Who asked > YOU to speak for THEM?

“ In that process though it does take a considerable amount of time to be a healthy contributor “

That’s a rather subjective statement to make..It seems to me what you say MAY be true for some but NOT for others..

“and or just an observing member, but they invest that time because the receive a positive outcome, and enjoy themselves.’

Yeah..They do seem to be enjoying themselves..AT MY EXPENSE…but that’s ok..What goes around comes around

“ So, what repeatedly brings you back?”

Like I said, this is the FIRST time I posted here, so I‘m not exactly sure what you mean by what brings me back... If you are wondering what keeps me coming back to Club Hombre, if for no other reason then to “observe”, The answer would be similar to what you describe as Everyone else’s motive


“What would it take for you to recant and try to become a sincere contributor of the board?

Recant what?..What are you suggesting I recant?…My experiences during my Maiden Voyage to the Philippines?. My affair with “sweety”?…NO WAY..Its all 100% True. Recanting what ACTUALLY happened would be a travesty of justice…

“ Is F possible ?”

Huh?

Popcorn..

Interesting summation And I am very happy you seem to have, at least to some degree, came to the conclusion there is Truth to my initial post. This is good. This is what I want. However, I can assure you I have NO intentions of changing my Handle. Nothing said so far warrants such a drastic action…Don’t flatter yourself so much..

MM

“ BL does not need to change identities”

I agree, Thank you

“biggest problem BL forgets we are smarter than he is”

I will assume you meant more experienced…

“once you have stated your opinion, best shut up, listen, and move on”

Lol..THAT my friend AINT gonna happen…

“ hope BL makes it back and quits trying to argue with us PHD mental cases”

LMAO..I’ve been arguing with my wife for 14 years now..She holds a PHD and has a near Genius IQ and is as big a mental case as they come…You guys are in trouble and you don’t even know it…lol..I love it..

BL

As I predicted with respect you changing your handle "If he chooses to do so, which I feel is highly unlikely" I was correct so I will flatter myself.

"you seem to have, at least to some degree, came to the conclusion there is Truth to my initial post"

Don't flatter yourself, that's not my conclusion.

Popcorn

“ I was correct so I will flatter myself”…obviously it doesn’t take much for you to flatter yourself. I guess if you predict I will take a crap within the next 48 hours, and I do, you will “flatter” yourself a little more, wouldn’t you?

“ don’t Flatter yourself, that’s not my conclusion “…….huh?, that’s interesting. I know your “ summation” was a little incoherent and somewhat contradictory of itself but, despite your starting off that piece totally agnostic about my trip, as you continued writing you seemed to resign to the fact that it was more likely to be true than not when you wrote…” Many in this thread initially offered useful advise but birdlips deferred, explaining away his obvious missteps due to his emotional state of mind, all the while refusing to believe Sweety was just another veteran street solider in the swollen ranks of mercenary, whorebag Filipina’s. Continuing an already long-in-the-tooth chronicle of his short sighted and ill fated relationship with sweety only served to confirm his stubborn myopic vision.”…

In that paragraph alone you suggest Sweety is real. You Surmise sweety was nothing more than a “ whorebag”, criticize me for not taking advice and acknowledge my “ state of mind“ at the time…it seems unreasonable for anyone to think you would 1) take the time to analyze what you believe to be a fictitious character or event in the manner you did .. 2). Take the time to offer advise on a TR you once claimed never happened and 3) Criticize me for not taking advise when, if we follow YOUR others logic, the actual event never occurred and “sweety” never existed..

My conclusion on what you guys believe…The majority of you, AND THAT INCLUDES YOU, DO, in fact, believe my TR to be an accurate ( I was going to say concise but…) reflection of events that occurred. If you guys are the Veterans you claim to be, you should have no problem identifying with my thoughts and feelings as they unfolded. I believe you do ..Its clear to me Most of you have seen it all but, you weren’t always the “ pros “ you seem to be… Things went south as events unfolded as predicted. my refusal to head in the EXACT direction pointed out by you guys was taken personally by some and as pure idiocy by most, thus provoking the, the, shall we say, the BL roast of sorts…

I stated somewhere in this thread I wasn’t interested in “reinventing the wheel “ when it comes to the best way of handling my scenario with sweety…Despite evidence to the contrary, I feel I didn’t….I took a lot of advice given here, only I did modify some of it to some degree to suit my own needs…

"I guess if you predict I will take a crap within the next 48 hours, and I do, you will “flatter” yourself a little more"

Statements such as this are the very reason you have taken such a pounding on various threads. Your responses and rebuttals lack any common sense foundation. As anyone with just two braincells to rub together knows, choosing to keep your handle is optional, whereas taking a shit, particularly by one who is full of shit, is not.

Popcorn:

Birdlips should probably use "ChickenBut" as his new identity.

Welcome to CH ChickenBut. We look forward to your bullshit free postings in the future.

MM

Poor choice.

Given what has issued from the birdlips, what do you think will come out of a chickenbut?

The same thing. But with a name like that we would now what to expect.

MM

Popcorn...

Ah yes and that is precisely my point…Being able to predict the inevitable is not something one should be flattered about..

MM

“chickenbut”?….CHICKENBUT!!! BAAAAA AH HA HA AHHHAHAHHAHHAH AH AHH AH AH HAH AH HA H A HA H AHAHH AH HAH AH…AH A..AHA…Hhuuuuuuuuuu….corny to say the least

Hunterman…

..Some of the best fertilizer there is comes from a chicken butt….keep that in mind..

BL:

Do you Listerine?

It might help that CB breath.

MM

Only after I accidentally eat some stinky pussy…why do you ask?

Next time use your time in the airport to check on hotels. Read whorist.com as well.

Never use touts.

Hello gentalmen..

Out of all the threads in the Discus Topics on this entire board, Spildrib, a newbie 2/17/13]selects this thread

Surely CFK noticed, but Spildrib spelled backwards is...

What's the point of creating a new identity if you're going to just tell everyone who you are right off the bat? Just use the old one.

Ironically, look what they (the people posting as Birdlips/Spildrib) wrote on 12/26/10:
> However, I can assure you I have NO intentions of changing my Handle.

(Message edited by costar on February 18, 2013)

Spildrib spelled backwards is... Birdlips

Yep, reappeared under a 'new handle', one chat and two discus posts before being booted....

(Message edited by copperfieldkid on February 19, 2013)