"I HAVE TO FEED MY RABBITS"
this was the excuse she (Ti) gave me this morning when she called at about 8 in the morning. she was returning my messages from the night before. at first i went to her bar and didn't see her. i asked one of the waiters and he said she had already been bar fined. i asked one of the dancers and she said Ti had already left, then she corrected herself and said it was Ti's day off. i sent an sms, "i came to say hello but i think you bar fined already. take care." 3 hours later i get this, "why you forget? today is my day off." who do you think i believe? her or her co-workers?

let me back track before i relay this saga. Ti is someone i dated starting about a year ago. if you read my last trip report it was going well at first. constant communication. good times. making plans. meeting her family. side trips around Thailand. i know she genuinely cared for the fact that when i was still finding my way after moving to Thailand, she let me stay with her in her apartment. she refused money when she knew i was running low! let me say that again, SHE REFUSED TO TAKE MY MONEY!!! how often does this happen?

then about 7 months later there was a shift. she started hanging out with a new girl. she started doing things different. i will not go over the details but it hurt pretty bad. i am still too emotional because of it but that last excuse about the rabbit really made me see (finally) that it is over.

once in a blue moon she has called and shown she still cares but those moments are too few and far between the ones where she won't give me the time of day. i hate this drama crap but i care too much about this/these girls for some reason. savior complex? history? or maybe just dumb and blind.

ok nuff about that. let's get this trip report on track! i am presently in Pattaya hunting with AsianBear and GollfMan! two really great wingmen! we have started the day taking in soapys and massage parlors, followed them with an early dinner and then night hunting into random beer bars and places that we either have heard of or just stumbled into. 9-10 hours between us pass quickly!

"YOU CAN"T EAT CHICKEN EVERYDAY"
there is not much to say about Pattaya that has not already been written. Tony's Gym opened up a work out center on Soi Buakhao. New Beer Gardens opened up here and there. There is a fairly new gogo bar near Champagne gogo called The Office. new gogos on Walking Street. etc etc.



For the most part, in general, i feel that the new places seem to be trying to cater to a higher paying clientele which means the girls are pretty but the drinks and all the extras they think of will run up your bill. 23 Club for instance on Soi 8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tbP4DgMjIc) the staff seem to always outnumber the customers the few times we went. on the one hand, the girls are cute and the mama-san gets them up and moving to meet and greet you. of course you can wave them off and just relax but again, there are some cuties on my "to do" list there. on the other hand, drink prices are comparable to Walking Street prices. if you want to play billiards it's extra (and there are hustlers wanting to beat you for a drink or money), you can also smoke some hookah for a price.

business seems slow even in this high season. there are too many bars and massage parlors and hotels are never fully occupied. a lot of Russian and Indian visitors flocking here and less Japanese and Koreans this season.

IT'S HOW THEY USE THE SOAP!
a new Soapy that Golfman introduced me to was Honey Massage on Soi 11 between 2nd Road and Soi Buakhao (http://www.honeyinnpattaya.com/index.htm). there is a decent choice of girls. the place is new and clean! prices run 2000 or 2500 for 1 1/2 - 2 hours. most girls don't expect tips at the end (but of course you should take care of your girl if she took care of you!). a couple things i didn't like, the guys working there seem pushy at first. they try and make you pick right away. i got #44. just my type. talented up top, flexible, young, cute and firm! she responded ok but just having her was a dream for me. only problem was (as a source shared) that i was one of seven for her that day.

Photo: No. 44 - Honey Body 01

did i mention i LOVE soapys!? here are some other finds that i enjoyed.

Photos: Tor - Sabailand 02 03

Photo: One - Sabai Room 04

Photo: Lan - Sabailand 05

high season, they are quoting 1800 versus 1700 from a few months ago. the "models" go for 2000 and up.

i had the chance to visit Annie's in Bangkok (near Nana) for the first time. their first window were of girls of low quality in my book. the more expensive side went for 2500. i had a great time with a girl named Pick. one thing i don't like about Annie's is that there are absolutely no pictures allowed!

soapys are a bit different in Bangkok. in Pattaya they seem to have a routine. bath, air mattress and the bed. in Bangkok, there wasn't any air mattresses but they did a lot more in the tub! i also found Nadia in Pat Pong at Plaza Massage. it was my very first time in Patpong. more on that later when i get to explore it better.

Photo: Nadia - Plaza Massage 06

RED LIGHT BAR
other than that, old reliable places never lets us down. Soi 6 for instance usually works for me. but it can be a hit or miss. sometimes, because one goes there too often (hehe), you might have to avoid certain bars or you enter from Beach Road one day then from 2nd Road the next never fully going all the way through. here are some of the girls i caught.

Photo: Ann - Thumbs Up Bar 07

Photo: Noi - Quicky Bar 08

Photo: Puk - Smoke and Kisses 09

Photo: Bell - Tim Bar Beer 10

Photo: Kyo - Red Light Bar 11

from top to bottom: Ann, Noi, Puk, Bell (who is actually from Tim's Bar on 2nd Road) and Kyo. now Kyo and i have started a history. a little after Ti and i parted ways, i visited Kyo on Soi 6. then went back for her. then took her out of the bar. then took her to Bangkok with me (where i currently live). now she calls and says she wants to stay with me now and then. she visits me every week and stays for a few days. i usually give her money to pay her bar but nothing else really. when she is with me in Bangkok i pay for food and buy her a few trinkets and clothes now and then. but for the most part, when i am at work she sleeps and when i come home she is happy to eat at the side vendors paying 40 baht for a meal. then she just wants to watch TV so it's simple. i told her early on that if she wanted to see me, then it would be as friends. not as a customer. i am not paying for her company. she is ok with that. i am not cruel however, if i do decide to have fun with her then i take care of her. these are pics she gave me of her bar, some promotional photo session...






DON"T STARE AT THE THAI MAFIA!
Kyo and i were in Bangkok eating on the second floor of an old mall. i look at one particular table of 4 guys. rough looking guys. they see me look and i look away. then for some dumb reason i look to see if they are still looking to see if i am looking and they are. i don't want trouble (the guy looking at me looked pretty peeved) so i focus on Kyo and eating my food. like a dumb ass i look again a bit later and they are not looking but i see them passing fist full of baht under the table. i know i shouldn't be looking so i try to stop but at the last second one of the guys saw that i saw the money. eventually they leave. i hear a commotion downstairs but leave well enough alone. we go to Kyo's "sister's" house near by to hang out. we are kind of house sitting for a few days.

the next day we go back to the mall. a friend of her sisters calls us to her (she has a little stall in the mall) and says some Thai gang guys were looking for us! she was afraid for us and made us deathly ill thinking about it! the gang had our picture! they followed us to Kyo's sister's apartment! that totally spooked me! we locked ourselves indoors and were afraid of even venturing out for food.

PLAN B
it's always good to get to know some of the girls better. if you have good chemistry with them (after the 3rd bar fine you can tell if they really want to spend time with you or you are just a bank machine)actually save their numbers and stay in contact. it is always good to have a fall back of someone you know and will have a good time with. just keep it real! there are no happy endings in Pattaya! be as good a friend as you want to be if they reciprocate the efforts and you will find that it pays off. not only will they give you the low down on how things work but it is much more relaxed and fun. here are some of the girls i can count on.

Photo: Jay - Super Baby 12

Photo: May - Windmill Bar 13

Photo: Pom - Koneko Bar 14

Photos: Namwaan - Beach Club 15 16 17 18

half of these girls are not even in the scene anymore. from top to bottom: Jay at Super Baby Walking Street, May (was at Windmill Walking Street), Pom (was at Koneko Bar near Soi 8), Namwaan (was at Beach Club Walking Street). May has a sponsor but when she goes to Bangkok to visit her family she calls me to hang out. Namwaan has a guy building a house for her and wants to marry her but she told him to give her a year or two to think about it! she calls me when she wants to see me. thing with Namwaan is, she got fat staying in her hometown (the first 3 pics were from last year). this seems to happen when they stop working. not all but some.

I WANT TO MAKE LOVE NANA NANA
living in Bangkok is like something out of a dream. anytime i want something i can get something. like Pattaya there are changes. new places opening and old places closing down. there was a convenient internet place across the street of Dynasty Inn on Soi Nana. it closed down replaced by another beer bar.



anyway, again not much to say. this is the talent i found to play with...

Photo: Puey - Spankys 19
Photo: Nam - Mercury 20
Photo: Jenn - Honey Body 21
Photo: Na - Angel Witch 22
Photo: Saya - Rainbow 3 23
Photo: Ou - World Wide 24
Photo: Name - Suzi Wong Bar 25

chemistry is important. sometimes i make sure there is eye contact and good flirting when i pull a girl but other times i just see hot flesh and i take her even if she is not initially responsive because i just want her. most sessions are just ok. few rock my world and those are the ones i go back for.

there is a whole lot of discussion on another thread about a particular relationship with a girl who supposedly is not a professional. it would be nice to think that you are in control and know exactly what is happening but if you get your emotions too involved then you are not thinking straight. always keep in mind that this hobby is not necessarily for the meek. there is a lot of drama involved and you will be taken advantaged of and at times (if you are an asshole) you take advantage of them. your call. to each their own. but it is a rough life for them. again, i care too much which sucks because i am thrown around but i have a lot of fun doing this and the risks are worth it. cheers mates! enjoy the hunt!

a huge shout out to AsianBear and GolfMan for the shared adventures! i will be meeting up with AsianBear in AC in two days and then we'll meet up with Golfman back in Pattaya next month! Thank you guys!

One last time, falling in love with a gal who works in a bar or frequents bars is fools gold. It would seem there's no shortage of guys on this board who just don't get it...

$60.00 for a piece of ass ANYWHERE for any amount of TIME in SEA is absurd, high season or not. I have a good friend from Bangkok who NEVER pays a BF and gets all the ass he can manage. If you're living there so can you!

"if you have good chemistry with them (after the 3rd bar fine you can tell if they really want to spend time with you or you are just a bank machine)"

Unbelievable... Get on your game dude!

Make it happen, watch it happen or just sit around and say "what the fuck happened?"

Im going to give twoweekslate a chance. I say lets see the pictures first then we can judge whether the $60 was money well-spent. I dont think anything is for free in Thailand. I mean absolutely nothing. I couldnt ask someone for directions without their hand extended expecting some baht. I felt like I couldnt exit the hotel room without someone extending their hand or finding a way to make me pay.

If you wanted the premium ass all night long, the type you see on the porn sites like CreamPieThais, then you really had to dig deep into your pockets. Although a lot of good looking Thai women have been featured here, I have not come across too many women on the same level as the CreamPieThai site in Thailand. They were all taken up by the time I hit the bars and when I did find one they wanted double or triple the baht that the more average looking women wanted.

I would say Thailand is not this bargain basement where you can find free or cheap ass. Anyone you fuck in Thailand will want something and it wont be on the cheap like Angeles City unless you go for the Beach Rd ladies which are not that great. Even Angeles City is not really the bargain it once was. Prices are steadily rising...

(Message edited by Portege on December 20, 2010)

No doubt there's a lot of guys who'll dig deep but if I LIVED THERE I would NEVER consider paying 1800 to 2500 baht for thirty to ninety minutes of company which TWL has referenced. Add in a tip and you're closing in on $100 USD! I would guess close to 50% of the companions I've engaged in SEA didn't involve a BF of any type. I've met hot girls at Internet Cafe's, Car Rental Agencies, Malls and other venues and so can anyone else if they just invest a minimal amount of time and come with confidence.

As far as Pornstars go, here's a couple I have porked. Apple can be viewed in my Pattaya TR under the name of Bun. Not the hottest honey on the site but at 550 baht, at the time, about $15 USD, who cares?

http://www.filipinasex.tv/apple/thai.html

Here's another, I met Ashley in Makati and jumped her bones when she was eighteen for the price of a cheap dinner and I wasn't even living there.

http://www.simplyashley18.com

Here's my point, you're either selling yourself or getting sold and if you have any doubt about which of the two is happening, rest assured it's the latter. Too many guys fall into the trap of emptying their wallets when there's other tools in their bag of tricks. Nothing anyone can say will change my opinion on that fact of life.

Interesting

I understand the difference between selling yourself or getting sold but. Unless someone is paying for you, neither applies….are you suggesting You got paid for your services?

After thirty plus years of the dating game, I don't have the patience to try to swoon a woman which usually waste time and money. Just fuck me, take the money and go.

With the unproductive time I save, I can make more money,

If it's good i'll call you again.
No-one can change my mind on that.

Trek

If you can please tell me where there is an area in Thailand where ladies give away sex for free, then please let us know. Maybe we can visit that part next time we go.

My experience is different. I got along nicely with a lot of the women, but at some point they had their hand out because they wanted to get paid.

I dont think the prices in the report were that outrageous...well lets see what the ladies look like first before I qualify that statement;) My experience was the price depended on the looks. The better looking women worked at the higher end places and charged a boatload whereas the more average lady worked out of the beer bars and charged a more modest sum.

How many girls in the fishbowl for honeys?
2K is alot for pattaya compared to sabai.

CN

Nice going on the Honey Body Massage. Wish I had gone there. Instead I went to Rasputin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zB17SeCs1o The service I got from the girl sucked, big time.

Protege

If you've read my TR's I've outlined in detail how and where I've made pulls on gals, paying little or nothing for the experience. I'll give you one more example. Late last year I took the sky train heading to the bus terminal on my way to Pattaya. Upon entering the train I noticed an unoccupied seat next to a good looking gal and took it. Turned out after we struck up a conversation she worked with her family at a small shop in Pattaya and had a Thai BF. I didn't shag her but she facilitated an intro to one of her GF's who I torched on more than one occasion. Did I spend some money on her, yes. We went out to eat a couple of times and I bought her a sexy bra and pantie combo. All in all, about $50 USD. Did I get lucky? Maybe, but I was the one who made a conscious decision as to where to park my ass on the sky train which ultimately lead to the sessions with the non-pro. So you create your own luck to some degree. No doubt if I lived there I would have many more opportunities to hook up with the local talent as my friend living there does all the time. If a guy doesn't want to "waste his time" looking for opportunities, more power to him, pay the $100 USD and enjoy but it begs a question, what are you doing in Thailand? If you're paying $100 a shot, throw in the price of decent lodgings and airfare, you're pushing $300 USD per day. For that amount of $$$ a guy can dial the agency from the comfort of his living room and get whatever he desires delivered to his doorstep.

(Message edited by popcorn on December 21, 2010)

That is a good story and I did encounter a few women along the way at the airport that winked at me and made obvious gestures. However, the key thing is time. Some of us only have so much time to get in, do our thing and then get out.

I think your chances of getting sex from the citizenry is going to be greater in any foreign country because you are new and different.

I don't think everyone is going to be paying $300 per day. There were plenty of sub-1000 baht hotels. I think I found some where you could pay around 600-700 baht per night. There were plenty of condo and apartelle options. The food could be expensive depending upon where you go. I think someone could get away with just making their own food especially if you choose an apartment option. As for the ladies, the price depends on who you know, where you go and what type of quality you are up for. The airfare is also a matter of when you go. There are sometimes sales I see during the year where I can get a ticket for $700-800 roundtrip. BTW, none of the ladies I met up with were loyal to their bar unlike Angeles and would see you during their own time for less then the standard fees.

If you knew exactly what to do and worked at it, you can get that Pattaya vacation down to a more modest sum. When it comes down to hotels, I just want a bed and A/C and for food, I just want it to be edible;)

What I'm hoping by sharing my experiences is that some guys will open their eyes and look at all the options available to a single guy in a foreign land. Thailand is full of poverty and $30 to $50 USD is a few days pay for most of the locals. Done right everyone can walk away happy. Something else that's noteworthy. Not always but in many instances the highest ticket gals make for the worst BF's, lots of times runners or just plain lousy in the sheets. I appreciate TWL's contribution and look forward to the photos but take issue, knowing that harboring strong feelings for a working girl will almost never lead to long term happiness and being misguided when he states the working gals are going to think something more of a guy than "just a bank machine". Pretty Woman was a movie, not a documentary.

First set of photos integrated

i think there are still a few pictures to post. sorry they are not quality pics, i just shoot with whatever i have and most times it's my cell phone.

thanks to those who are giving me a chance. everyone else... to each your own. enjoy your journey as you see fit. there are details that i do not include in my adventures that (at least in my mind) justify how i spend my money. but it's just money. if you have enough to go around then why worry? i just enjoy the ride.

Ceenotes, Honey's had one big fish bowl. you can tell the difference of price by the color of their numbers. i would say we were there early at about 14:00 and there were at least 30 girls to view.

Roadglide, i haven't been to Rasputin. will check it out.

Popcorn, i appreciate your comments. thank you.

cheers all! i'm in AC now for Christmas and will post some stuff later!

TWL

Admittedly I overreacted and I apologize for that. I don't have your shoes on my feet and I'm not wanting to judge you as an individual. As you've noted, you have questioned your decisions and hopefully you'll find a balance which suits you. I feel anytime someone takes issue with a situation, they should also offer a solution which I've attempted to do here. Again, thanks again for sharing!

(Message edited by popcorn on December 24, 2010)

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I understand TWL's point of view. He lives full time in LOS and gets to have more experiences then vacation mongers. He says that he understands that none of the girls he does are for marrying, but says that some of them get to like him and him them which allows for more fun. It seems like he keeps this in perspective and doesn't let any of them run his life.

I remember when I was spending months in LOS and it was a lot like TWL says. There were girls that I got to be friends with who would show me a good time because they were friends, but I still knew that they were there for money. Never did I consider marriage!

"i will not go over the details but it hurt pretty bad"

"she won't give me the time of day. i hate this drama crap"

Not any FUN in those feelings. Best advise I can offer, IF you want a decent relationship, change the crowd you run with.

TWL: That's some real eye-candy in front of the Red Point Bar. I love Soi 6. 5 out of the 7 girls in that pic looked good to me. Thanks for sharing. Of your personal pics, Kyo is the cutest IMO.

Topfotog, thanks! Kyo can also be very sweet but she (like many) really only wants to watch dramas on TV and sleep.

I came back on November 22 after spending 18 days in Thailand. It wasn't as good as I thought it would be.

What contributed to the below average experience JDR?

Third set of photos integrated.

May's kinda cute, she's not working any longer?

my fellow monger, " 2 weeks late "
I do thanks you for posting positive info about Thailand, espcially Pattaya . Many thanks for your contribution here on Hombre .
Having been to Pattaya 5X's, all I can say that I miss this city so much .
cheers, the-happy-monger

The-Happy-Monger, thank you so much for your comment. i went away to AC for the holidays. i love that place but i did miss Thailand when i was gone! i am lucky however because i call Bangkok home for now!

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thank you for posting all the pictures Admin! i am back in Bangkok and will be going to Pattaya tomorrow to meet up with some fellow hombres! ahh. the good life!

Like anything else, you get back what you put into it. I mix the pay for play with every day girls. Check out the cuties at small eateries. Walk thru the womens sections of stores and just smile. The only mistake you can make in LOS is sitting home.