If members don’t keep posting reports then this board will die, so I thought that I would write a report about the current state of mongering in Germany based on my latest trip. This was a mixed activity holiday for two weeks starting at the end of July so mongering was only a part of this trip.

Generally speaking nothing much has changed although new laws that have taken effect from July 2017 have had an impact. Without going into too much depth, the FKK’s, girls and customers are all affected:

FKK’s (and brothels, clubs etc) are now regulated as sex venues, before they were just health clubs or cinemas that happened to have sex workers. They can’t allow the girls to sleep in the same rooms as they operate in; there are also safeguards to be added for a girl’s protection such as no locks on the doors and alarms in the room. And it is now necessary to get permission to open a new sex venue (existing venues were grandfathered).

The worst part is that girls are required to be registered with the state that they operate in, the registration normally is valid for two years but the girls must also attend health “counselling” every year too. If a girl is between 18 & 21 then the registration lasts only one year and they are required to go to counselling every six months. It’s had an impact in the numbers of girls at FKK’s and I doubt that I saw any girl under 21.

Finally there is the condom duty. Any sex act must be done using a condom, and therefore the offer of condom free acts including BBBJ is banned. The advertising ban is ignored in some places, it can cost extra but I’ve also heard reports that some girls won’t do anything without a condom.

It’s a faint hope but maybe sometime this year the federal court will uphold a challenge that the law is unconstitutional. The sex workers organisation Dona Carmen is behind this.

I visit Germany maybe once or twice a year for holidays as it’s the best sex destination in Europe for decent girls at a low price and the choice at FKK / RTC / brothels are great. I always throw in a few stops at FKK’s, this time I planned on adding in some independent operators too. I got some contacts from sexdo.com, 6today.de, 6relax.de and ladies.de. The problem I had is that the girls would move around every couple of weeks or else leave so planning ahead turned out to be futile.

NRW

Much of my trip was in this region and this was where I did my mongering.

I planned to start the trip with an independent called Thai Lisa (http://www.6profis.de/private-models/jlich/lisa-t/fetisch--lady-lisa-28540.html) who switches between Bonn and Cologne on a frequent basis. Lisa does fetish such as BDSM but the reason I booked with her was to try the notorious sex machine Venus 2000, I wanted to see if it could make me cum many times. I tried texting, emailing and calling but she did not reply. Then I got a reply Thursday evening that it was on for the next Saturday. Unfortunately it was not that good an experience as I expected, I blame Lisa for that as it seemed she did not know how to operate it properly, I should have told her to go online to view some videos of it being used.

Next up was La Luna. This is a crappy club with only one reason to visit and her name is Kathi. She has been there for a number of years and everyone lauds her service. I was searching for La Luna along a confusing little back road in the centre of Moers, after a few missteps I found the place. Inside was a dull set of rooms. I could see only three working girls and I suspected that the only thin and attractive one was Kathi, so I rushed to the showers even though I was the only customer at 8pm, then I checked her out. It turned out that this girl was the famous Kathi so it was not long before we were heading to a room. Kathi is everything her reputation claims, she is a complete sweetheart and treats you as if you were the most special person in the universe for the next 30 minutes. Total damage was 60EUR for a 40EUR 30 minute session so there is a premium for bareback. Still it was worth it. I was tempted to stay for another round but the other two girls did not light any sparks for me so I decided to head to my hotel and check in.

Arabella was a short walk from one hotel I stayed at so it was a choice destination then. Although there are signs everywhere that say Condoms are required, it does not mean anything. Bareback is still standard, it was not even necessary to ask. I still got AO easily but after my first session I had to wait a long time, first to rest up and then when I was ready all the girls had disappeared so I ended up waiting an extra hour until a girl was available. It appeared that several had left the club for a break even though there were plenty of customers there. Alyssa and then Bianca provided great service.

On another visit, the lineup was pretty bad, it was a polar bear convention (just men in robes or towels and few girls around) as almost all the girls had disappeared. I later found out that there was a doctor doing health checks but I was waiting 90 minutes before I could find a girl that I was willing to touch. Eventually I repeated with Alyssa , the girl I'd done the previous week but there was no way I was going to wait hours more before getting another chance.

I did Grimberg as planned, found a girl that was fairly suitable, Alyssa from Romania. She was short but cute with some baby fat around the stomach, yet another girl who has left two kids at home to whore in Germany. At least with Grimberg, they still have the cards and a few say anal, though I have not done that in more than a year. I only had the one session as I was on my way to Berlin.

Acapulco has not changed, much, it's still dingy and the hand dryer in one of the mens toilets is still not working and it's been like that for years. The Wifi password is unchanged but you will be very lucky to connect. The one change is that they have moved the stupid statue that was in the middle of the shower. I had two good sessions, Elena from Romainia and Flori from Bulgaria did me up very well. The lineup was small but there was a good choice around and it was a Monday.

Luderland is still the Red Carpet Club with the best looking girls.

From what I read, Golden Time is not doing too good. The girl quality has dropped and it's turning into a polar bear event almost every day as more guys from Belgium and the Netherlands crowd in every day. There are the same girls as a year ago who have conned the bears into taking very long sessions. Guys are complaining about waiting around all day waiting for the decent girls to become available.

I was in GT on a Thursday for my final mongering day. I was feeling shit so only one girl, German Lucy. My kind of attractive girl with a nice smile, I thought that she had C cups but it was a padded bra. One annoyance was that once we got into the room, she gave me a few rules of conduct. The lineup was mediocre even for early August as I expected that girls would take advantage of fewer customers to take a break as well, but I still recognized girls there that I have seen over the years on my annual visits. Reports of a clear out of old timers are only partially correct. The receptionist claimed 70 girls on site but it did not look like it. There could have been 50 but no more.

Berlin

As Artemis is the only FKK in the city and also because of the fact that I was visiting East Berlin, an FKK Trip was not likely. From what I hear, it gotten even worse than before, upselling is worse and the girls are older, tattood and loaded with silicone.

My plan was to get in touch with a “Hobby Whore” Jasmine but I think that I left it too late to call, I should have arranged something days earlier. I could have done incall but as TierPark is some distance from the city centre and I was looking for morning arraignments I passed on that.

In the end, I visited an old standby Aphrodite Massage twice and got an hour’s rub and tug with Elena. The Aphrodite web site claims she is mid-30’s but I would add at least 5 years onto her age. Still it was a very nice experience and although a hand job is all you get, touching all over was no issue with her.

Some observations

The web sites I visited for girls sexdo.com; 6today.de; 6relax.de, had both girls and transsexuals on their pages, but they were mostly open about being a trannie so with the odd exception you knew it before reading their web page. It’s best to check the sites only a few days before you want to see a girl as they keep moving around, yet it also seems necessary to book ahead. In my experience, calling on the day does not work.

The girls operating independently seem to move after a few weeks in one location, I’m not sure why although it may be due to the new law. Escorts seem to be available all the time and the FKK girls seem to stick with a club for a time.

Hot are you? Thanks for telling me as I did not realize that when I looked at your photo’s.

I’m old fashioned, tattoos and implants are big negatives for me, usually I pass and go with another choice and rarely do I choose a blonde.

FKK prices have been static for over 15 years, you can still get a 30 minute session for €50 but the girls now have less incentive to give good service for that price and more often they are charging for what they call extra’s such as kissing. If they improved their service back to what is was before then I’d be willing to pay extra, maybe €70 but it’s probably too late and extras are now part of the negotiation.

The RTC clubs are a great deal, service from the girls is as good if not better than at an FKK, if you can accept that the girls are often not good looking enough to get into an FKK and that you are only there for sex then these clubs are better at a lower cost.

Because of the new laws, BBBJ is not standard as it once was, it’s something to be asked about before making a decision as there are reports that a girl might refuse or demand extra. Not that I had any problem but it’s something that is no longer guaranteed.

(Message edited by downandup on August 19, 2018)

Great report, lots of useful detail...

So if I'm reading this right in Germany I can still get laid for $57 dollars but it will likely be terrible.

And I have to pay extra to kiss.

Government is now regulating this industry.

Condoms have been mandated by law.

There are glitzy escorts services where I'll certainly be starting my payments at $200+ bucks and paying more for extras.

To which I say: Fuck. That.

Not quite, €50 can still get you some excellent service and I had no problem in the FKK's although I have heard differently. Some FKK's (Artemis in Berlin, World and Oase in Frankfurt, Oceans in Dusseldorf) are getting a reputation for the girls wanting extra's but again I did not need to pay anything more. This may be because of where I went, as I never paid for so called extras, I'm just repeating what I have been told by regulars.

The condom requirement is the law, in fact they call it a duty but I have not had a problem getting BBBJ, after all how else could it be? Are the cops going to break into a room to check if you're covered? BBBJ is still standard. And in the RTC clubs, bareback full sex is almost a given, nothing has changed there. It's still €30 for entrance and €30 for a session.

I forgot to add that Acapulco now has an additional rate of €40 for 20 minutes because of the turkish customers who want that. There still are rates for 30 minutes and 1 hour.

Nice report, Downandup! None of the changes to the FKK scene you described are encouraging. Is there anywhere in the world where the pussy scene has improved over the years?

Thanks for the report! It's cool to read these perspective after returning from the same destinations. I also sessioned with Alyssa from Arabella (as did my friend the following day, although he caught her name as Alice, but reading your report I'm pretty sure I had it right).

We caught Grimberg on a bad day (or normal?) with neither of us seeing anyone we liked.

My best looking near Dusseldorf was Rebecca from Luderland with Maria at Villa Verena a close second.

My first time in Artemis in Berlin was a bit of a disappointment. My initial reaction was great, but as I got used to the looks of the ladies and noticed their subpar attitudes (relative to other FKK's I have visited) the shine wore off quickly. I ended up picking a Tanya from Russia with a tattoed, hard-tit, sculpted body (I happen to like these types) but I didn't pay the 50e extra for kissing nor BBBJ. I seemed to have left what I paid Tanya, but I believe it was 60e, so a mediocre session with no kissing and no BBBJ set me back about 140e in Artemis.

More info, along with updates for Vienna and Zurich will be coming.

Thanks again!

My sessions last year - after the law took affect - all included an offer for standard BBBJ for a slight upcharge. They mandate condoms, but they cannot come into the room, so that seems to be the deal.

I've almost always had good sessions in FKKs, in Germany and Austria, and that goes back over 20 years.

Bwana,

I've gone to Dusseldorf a number of times simply for the convenience, it's a short cheap trip from England.

Otherwise the next best destination for me is Pattaya. I miss the terma's of Rio but as I am not living in the US anymore it means that any trip would be prohibitively expensive.

I'd like to find more destinations but where else is so cheap and easy for the quality? Thailand and Germany still seem to be the best bang for the buck.

Oddly enough, once in Rio, it's now cheaper than LOS. The worst part about Rio is airfares. I can fly from LAX-BKK for about $600. A flight to Rio is usually well $1000, despite being much closer. But pussy is now cheaper in Brazil.