It's so easy to lose track of the time and date on these trips. The clock isn't so much morning, afternoon and evening as it is breakfast, termas and Help. A number of times I've had to check my cellphone to see what day it is.

I went back to L'Uomo, though with many second thoughts 'cause I figured I'd wind up doing another session with Alicia and 3 sessions in 3 days with the same garota starts interfering with clear thinking. But I went anyhow. About 7:30 p.m. I ran into Don, Rich, Dino, Adrian, Layne87 and a bunch of other good guys just hanging. Alicia was nowhere to be seen, but I positioned myself at the bar with a view of the doorway into the boite, as I figured she was with a customer. I caught myself a number of times thinking a garota just coming back into the boite from a session was her.

Almost an hour later when I was concluding she wasn't working, she walked in, spotted me, and a popped an ear to ear smile. She immediately walked over, we went to a couch and we started trying to communicate. If there were no similarities between Portuguese and Spanish, communication would be impossible for me. I found out she had just been with an Asian guy (who apparently just split after his session because he wasn't to be seen). It was her first customer since our two sessions the day before so I asked her how it was. She made a sour face and buried her head in my shoulder. A short while later I asked Don to come over and do some translating which he was kind enough to do. Well, the long and the short of it is that I told her if she would no longer work in the Termas, I would supplement her income from a straight job so she would have enough to take care of her child. At first she thought I was BS'ing but slowly she understood.

We sat around for the next two and a half hours or so, waiting until midnight which is the earliest the garotas can leave. She didn't want to burn any bridges at L'Uomo so she told the owner that she just wasn't comfortable and didn't want to work. Apparently he was cool about it, and about 12:15 she met me downstairs at the entrance to the shopping center where L'Uomo was located. We returned to my apartment where she spent the night. The next day we met Don at Cafe Alcazar and he interpreted further details of what I was willing to do, putting emphasis on the fact that if she was caught working on her back, all monies from me would stop instantly. Since Don has the pulse of all the action in Rio, I was pretty confident that if she tried to work any of the high-end termas, he'd know. Don also told her that the money I would be sending her -- $400 US a month -- would be all she would get so she needed to start working as a receptionist again right away instead of waiting until the dole ran out.

I suppose I've done smarter things in my life. For sure I've done stupider. I've been trying to analyze what prompted me to do what I did. I know for sure part of it was an out of control rescuer impulse, another part was the idea of having a private garota available on my future trips to Rio and probably a big part was the fact I was recently dumped by my Russian novia after 2 years and just about 3 weeks before her exit interview in Moscow for a fiancé visa. The reality is that these arrangements tend to self destruct for a variety of reasons as time passes, so I guess I'll just ride this wave for a while and see what happens. I expect some of you mongers will flame me for my decision. So be it. But for those that have suggestions about dealing with this situation...they're all welcome.

I told Alicia I was going to join a group of my amigos to watch the :American football game later, so she split for home, saying she'd be back the next afternoon at 1. In Rio the game didn't start until 9:30 p.m., so most of us went to L'Uomo again to pass the time. Don suggested I go as well since it would be good for the owner to see me and not wonder if I was involved in Alicia's decision to stop working. However, since Alicia had to go back in a week to pick up her money from L'Uomo and would see her girlfriends there, I thought it best to keep it in my pants. And so I did, though I was mighty tempted even though a lot of the garotas were away because it was a three day Holiday. "Married" just one day and I was already thinking of divorce. Apparently I am a true monger to the core.

SF Hombre-Paying a Terma garota $400/month to not be on the program. Hmmmm. My advice would be instead of sending her the money, just wad up $400 every month and throw it out the window. It has the same effect and would alleviate your unrealistic expectations.

I knew you (HC1) would be the first to jump on this...only because you are such a hardass. And I do not mean that negatively. It is a good thing.

On the other hand...I personally dont see $400 a month as being a big deal assuming SF gets plenty of time and satisfaction out of her. Some guys pay girls $100 a night and think nothing of it. I am a firm believer in not overpaying. Heck, some guys have even paid $R1200 in one night... (nuff said).

Okay, I hope I am not fueling the flames. I mean he does get a HUMAN BEING for a full month!

Hey SF...I would like to hear how it goes for you..I like the way you have the balls to tell this tough crowd, so maybe a follow up a few months down the road???....I have known a few guys who have done this with some luck but not much...has don told you about the one out of MC? If you want to hear a horror story ask him..if not please dont ask..its pretty ugly...

SF, your right about the relationship terminating on its own, it will never work. She might be able to do it for a couple of months, but eventually she will return to the life. Unless your able to go to Rio every month or every other month, its a lost cause.

Just the sex alone will kill the relationship, women get horny too. You are dealing with a girl who is accustomed to being fucked 3 to 4 times a day and now you expect her to wait for you to return every 2 or 3 months!! Don't waste your time buddy, find something else to do with your money.

Believe me $400 a month is probably about 10% of what your Russsian fiance would have cost you (mine was Ukanian) so go for it!

Thumper and All other CH'ers

Sincere thanks for the advice, the warnings etc. I have high hopes and low expectations. One thing that bodes well for my hopes are that I pulled her out of the terma on her first day and she hadn't worked before...if all that in fact was really true. So hopefully she won't miss getting sex 3-4 times a day (tho who's to say she wasn't getting it outside the terma?!).

I do get to Rio every other month or so -- I'm scheduling another trip right after Carnaval, so that's a plus.

As to throwing $ out the window, well, crap, I do that on a daily basis. And don't even ask about my tech stock debacle. I could literally kept a 100 garotas on the dole for years with what I dropped in that black hole!

Later.

Rich-That post is hilarious. I know you won't pay more than 150R for a session and probably not even that anymore. The idea of you condoning 1400R a month as a "retainer" is a riot coming from you as you would never pay it in a million years. As for saying SF Hombre "gets" a human being, I might agree if gets means "gets to pay $400 to watch a garota work programs.”

SF Hombre-Let me explain why I think it's a bad idea and give some constructive advice.

First is financial incentive. She makes 100R per program and pays 100R to house per week. Figure 1 program a day and 600R per week conservatively. So 2400R per month from Luomo plus figure 2 outside programs at say 300R/night, so that’s 3000R/month minimum to her on the program or $850 US/month-not a whole lot to you or me, but a fortune to her. Your offer is less than half what she can earn per month, so after some time she will have a big incentive to get back to work.

Second is any non-program relationships. How do you know she doesn't have a boyfriend? Did you ask her? If you don't speak Portuguese, how did you ask her? The majority of Terma garotas I've talked to have a boyfriend or a guy they are fucking. Usually they don't tell them they are on the program. You are right Don would know if she started working at Luomo, MC, 4x4 or Help, but what if she has a boyfriend or husband or goes to work in a Terma Don doesn't frequent? How would you know?

Third problem is the track record of guys trying to be a white knight and save prostitutes from the life. I've never heard of anyone having success in doing this, but there are tons of stories of guys who have failed. At least you have low expectations which is good.

My advice would be that if you really want a girlfriend, to find a real girlfriend, not a programma garota. With no Portuguese I don't know how successful you would be, but you could learn. There was a guy with the handle Turk who just posted he met a professional garota through Yahoo personals and spent his vacation with her in Rio. Brasil would be a great place to find a girfriend if that's what you really want and can invest the time to do it.

Good luck-let us know how it goes,

HC1

I wonder how much it would cost to keep Bia off the program. Okay, 8 programs a day is $R800 times 5 days a week is $R4000, less $R100 to the house is $3900 times 4 weeks is $R15,600 or in other words: $4,450 US dollars a month. Shit, Hemp is going to have to get a second job.

Well...everyone has good thoughts and opinions on this. SFHombre is a good guy. Personally I'm against supporting a working girl to stay off the program. However, I do like to do nice things occassionally like giving garotas money to take the night off if they are tired, etc. I'm the one that gave a girl 1200 R to take the night off. She never asked. It was something nice to do and I don't regret it. It didn't f*ck up the dynamics of the pricing structure.

I would rather help out a normal girl than I working girl. In fact I have. I opened up a US bank account for a regular girl in Buenos Aires that i had no interest in sleeping with. I deposited several hundred dollars into it. She never asked for it...just something nice.

I met SFHombre's girl. She was totally new to the program. She looked like she belonged in L'Uomo like some of you guys would look in a church praying in Rio. It's so hard for girls to stay off the program once they get a taste of the kind of money they can make. Is it impossible for them to stay away? No. Is it probable they will be back on the program? Yes. The thing you have to understand is the logic of some of these girls. Many times once they meet a nice guy they figure...."hey..maybe I'll meet another nice guy".

I really hope it works though. She was a sweet girl. SFHombre is right though. Money is all relative. We "flush money down the toilet" in different ways. Some guys have expensive sports cars, some pay $25,000 for country club memberships, some drink every night. A "flush" to one guy is a luxury to another guy. I think in the end you gotta do what makes you happy in life. Yes, it's good to get input from other like-minded individuals but you have to do what makes you happy.

If helping someone out makes you happy and you are helping them out at the same time then who cares what anyone else thinks. A lot of these guys on the site criticized me for paying a Help girl $1200 R one night. You know what? I just bought her ticket to come to the USA last night. She arrives March 23rd so I'll be thinking about all of you guys that were talking about "flushing" my money down the toilet on her. Ha, ha, ha.

Life is good.

Be careful Amigo. Remember one of the cardinal rules about this hobby and business: Once a working girl, always a working girl. Some make it out of the business, but the majority always come back.

If you want a real Brazilian novia, stay away from the working girls.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

I only like working girls as girlfriends though. However, I dont care if they give it up or not. Call me weird. I couldnt imagine dating a non-working girl. Seeing as how I am a major consumer of their profession I figure I am just as bad (or good) as they are.

Rich only $4,450 US a month for Bia? Since I met her in Sept I have been sending her $6,000 US a month. Are you guys telling me she has been unfaithful to me all this time? It is still probably cheaper than some of these American Wives are costing their hubby's and they only probably get laid once a week or month if that. Bia is really making out big time as I'm sure CortoGringo is sending her $10,000 +. Yes Rich we all can call you "Wierd" - feet, armpits,???
Hemp

Wait a minute. I've been paying Bia $12,000 a month. You're telling me she's still working?

She's still working guys...she's giving me $8,000 US a months Thankew all!

Hemp, HC1--since she is cheating I suggest you guys send your money directly to SFHombre and cut out the middlewoman.

Guys,
I have pondered the subject of taking a garota off of the program long and hard, well at least hard. I think the only way to make this work is to take several(3 or more) off. Have them all live together, saves on housing expense. Make sure they are compatible, extremely compatible, that way they will take care of each other when you are not there. Having three or more available, individually and as a group, will keep your interest level peaked for a while. Now if I add some religious connotations, oh wait, that has already been done.

Rich, I do believe that you have "numbers" that would compare with some garotas, you are just as bad(or good) if not worst(or better). Now having an obsession with a single garota, that would be "weird".
CG

SFHombre
Great report so far. I don't really understand the impulse to rescue this babe, but I respect your decision AND your guts to share it! That said, WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THAT??!! Ok... enough with the lecture

Wait - let's think about this for a minute longer. This chick is pretty, right? How many pretty girls have you seen in your lifetime and wished you COULD fuck them for money? (That would be a HUGE number for me) So now you have this chick who FINALLY joins the program, and you wanna go and TAKE HER OUT???!!! Who's side are you on here??

Ok... it's ok with me that you want to be a counter-espionage agent and take out one of our team-members, but at $40/pop, your $400 would pay for 10 nuts each month. That seems a little steep, no?

Now if I may propose a business proposition with Corto and Hemp and HC1. "Time-share". We'll all take a week with Bia for $2000/month each. I get to go first though.

30 days and counting until I land in Brazil WITH a NEW tourist visa. Can't wait

I can understand the cynicism from die-hard mongers on this thread, but I can also understand where SFHombre is coming from; and it just can't be explain or ratonalized. It's a feeling, an intuition and an emotion that he wants to try and experience. Whatever is the outcome, SFH will learn and benefit from it. It just cannot be quantified in term of $$$ and number of "pops".

It is similar to Godfather giving a garota he likes $R1,200. He felt like it and he did it. Now, his garota is coming to visit him. Great for GF. Great for the girl.

Yes Godfather, life is indeed very good.

OK...heres the deal. I'll pay any of you guys $10,000 to marry my ex for a year then dump her.

What I could save in alimony monthly, without getting anything for it, I could apply to supporting hotties in 8-10 countries that I visit regularly. But then again, I am a pretty staunch 3X rule kinda guy so I could just have about 3X the number of Chicas/Garotas and travel more often.

SF-Good luck buddy. Should be some fun times when you are in town.......!

OK, I'll go higher on the offer but you will live quite nicely for that year with what she got in the divorce.

Any takers??? Better yet, any of you guys with an alimony albatross around your necks, let's reciprocate with each other and marry each others Ex's. Wouldn't that be a "priceless" report!


Sandman

Sandman
Got any nude pictures of her?

Sandman. THis is brilliant. However, I would never go through the grief of dating an american for only $10K. I would do it for a friend for nothing though.

Reciprocal seductions to eliminate alimony. The only problem I see is what do we do after the marriage? Fake our own deaths?

Rich-What we do after the marriage is go on lots of er.... fishing trips, piss em off to no end and get a quickie $99 divorce in 5-6 months.

DG-would you show yours to this board? Nuff said. She's not bad but what this board is used to, well, she would fall below the water mark. Ya should have seen her 25 years ago though!

Sandman

Sandman,
Now I am getting discouraged. I am a young guy as you know, the same age as MitchC...or at least we look close to the same age (he only looks a couple of years older...but I digress). Well, what exactly do we have to look forward to in 25 years with our South American "Wives"?

Sandman,

I agree with Rich. $10,000 is too little. Ha, ha. I honestly can't see myself getting married again. For those of you married just be careful if you're in the hobby. Most states have something called "wasting of marital assets" so if you get caught hobbying it can really haunt you. I know it did me.

I also understand the cynicism from the hard core mongers of SFHombre's situation. There really is no right or wrong answer. Time will tell if it's possible. Most guys don't have the white knight syndrome but some do. One of my best friends in life is dating (and living with a garota). I am 99% sure she was in the program before. He has been dating her the last 1.5 years and is really happy. This is a dude that I ran around with alot and I thought he would never settle down. He is happier than ever so it IS possible.

God I miss South America!

I take issue with the entire presumption that being on teh program makes you less of a person...or a bad person. Fuck, I am on the program ro all intents and purposes. AND I only like Program girls. They Rule. They want all our money. They are clear in that regard. Find a prom queen, junior leaguer type to admit that. In both cases it is the truth. At least programers tell you what they want.

Rich this is an intersting point I agree with. We are at the exact same moral level for lack of a better word as the programma garotas. I don't see any difference in them offering and us buying.

However, I've tried explaining this to several programma garotas and they usually tell me I "don't understand" how it is. They felt they were less of a person for selling it as a woman than we were for buying it as a man-the implication that all men buy it, but not all women sell it. I don't agree with that, it's what I heard from the garotas.

HC1, well...i reread my post about the 'Junior Leagers' above. While I agree with it, I do not remember writing it.

I have to remember to get off the computer after I take a stillnox.

Rich-in that post about Stillnox the other day you should have noted one of the bigger side effects-SHORT TERM MEMORY LOSS.

Gents, I live in a community full of very wealthy people. It is so much fun to smirk at the women who are only out for money, and they are plentiful. I just smile and act the "badboy" knowing I will be sleeping with a beautiful chica/garota or one of my local regulars soon.

BTW-they do like the "badboy" attitude. They all want to change you and prove they can do it. Works like a charm.

Even though they are not selling it per se, they have the same end game in mind...getting your money. It's like that joke where the guy asks a girl if she will sleep with him for $100. She keeps saying no until he gets up to $1.0M. He then says "we have already established what you are, we just had to establish your price!

GF-OK, I'll sweeten the pot. I'll pay 10K per year for 3 years. It would be a big savings to me. I must admit I like the reciprocal marriage idea better because it helps a fellow monger out this countries worst "entitlement" laws ever created.....Alimony for life unless re-married.

Rich..watch that stillnox. Hate to see you fuck a lovely garota and forget the experience. I may be coming to Rio in March with DG. May have you get in touch with my favorita from 4X4 and help me line a little 3 day trip to Buzios with DG and his wife.

And, my ex does go for younger men....he he!