Sorry if you're looking for one of those entertaining style essays - I'm a left-brain dude... just the fact's man.

Notes:
- all prices in pesos, 000s abbreviated with ‘k’
- current fx is 2,860/us$


Sorry I can’t offer much of a report, although I do offer much information in the now built-up Cali threads. Here’s why…

I have to say that Cali (and Columbia) is probably not the greatest hobby destination around, and the purpose of this board is to discuss pay-4-play around the world, no? One the other hand, and importantly noted, Cali is maybe the greatest place around for meeting non-pros - amazing hotties - with such ease!

Thus, I lead off my report with a note with an excerpt of what I placed in the Cali discussion thread, to highlight that Cali is not the greatest of monger destinations, and thus not for all hobbiests… (but for some it may be the perfect destination)…


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Since the primary purpose of this site is to report on pay-4-play action around the world, I don't have a huge write-up to offer... pay-4-play is not so great (compared to Brasil and Argentina, maybe Thailand or Czech) IMHO.

On the otherhand, the non-pro action is OUT OF THIS WORLD, SPECTACULAR! So, who is Cali for? Most important, it's not for the hobbiest that no longer plays the amateur game, the hobbiest that is strictly a pay-4-pay player. It is for the dude that likes both amateur and pay-4-play, and is in it for more than sex, as described below.

Is Cali for You? - I offer the following:

(1)
You are let's say younger (say 20s-40s), not too ugly (although that may not matter), relatively in shape (ie. not obese)... and who knows, even if you're not these, maybe you'll still love Cali and meet many non-pros.

(2)
You hobby not only for the sex, but also for the GFE, or the companionship (not meaning GFE in the bedroom, but GFE as a destination); you like to make a date (as in the sense of time spent with a girl, courtship, etc.), or I mean outside activities (dinner, movie, country club, etc.) of your time with a girl instead of only sex; ... then Cali may be for you.

(3)
You have some skills. I mean, you don't _only_ hobby because you dislike, or you're not good at, meeting non-pros and scoring with non-pros. On your int'l travel you like (or would like) to blend pro and non-pro action. If you still play the game (non-pro) in the U.S., but don't get quite the results you want (who doesn't want more??), and wouldn't mind playing the chase game if it was so EASY, then Cali is for you!

Guys, I really don't mean to offend anyone that doesn't fit these descriptions! I'm trying to provide detail for those that are going or contemplating a trip to Cali. Thus, if you don’t fit the descriptions above, you may not like Cali.

To be honest, we saw many dudes that didn't fit these descriptions, and they still loved Cali for the non-pros. I mean, there were gringos that were in their 60s, or were young but not in great physical shape, or were complete dorks in the personality area, and they all were loving Cali (granted many had paid to have introductions made through numerous services). For example, I know one famous member here, that may be in his 60s but is commonly referred to as good-looking (hell, he's a dude, so I wouldn't know), has plenty of skills, and I think would kill the girls in Cali!

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OK, I have placed much detail on ancillary items like hotel, bars, shopping, etc., in the various Cali threads. I hope it provide aid to you. Now, on to the chicas de programa (what I can offer).

The most famous place is Flores Frescas. We had no luck at this place. Yes, there were 3-4 hotties (7s-9s, based on your views… I’d rate the top girls as three 8s). But they were cold bitches, very hardened. Even our local friends, on separate visits, agreed. One even referred to the best girl in there, Evylen or Evy, and ‘the bitch’, given his past experiences with her. See Columbia:Bars/Clubs:Flores Frescas thread for more detail, but one night we had 3 or the girls actually drive off in a cab rather than chose to go with any of us for the night, even at their original offer price (ie. I fully retreated on my negotiation effort). Thus, no photos to offer, no report to offer.


Early in the trip, I was with B.player and we went to a casa (no name available) that had about 15 girls. I don’t have the address now, but B.player will provide to me in a day or two, so I will provide it in a follow up note below. No cover charge, drinks were cheap.

As for the chicas, all were young (18-25), but none I’d call super hot, but a few doable. But when we learned we could take two, and swap in mid-term, and pay no extra fee… well that sounded enough like a festinha to us. We grabbed two girls, on blonde I have no shots of, and Lisa (or was it Brisa?). Cost for take-out is 40k to the house, we negotiated (with each girl) 80k to the girl for until morning, including no cost for swapping, and BBBJs.

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I do recall Batman posting that knowing how to dance salsa can also help you score big-time:-)!

Most definitely..I had the opportunity of partying with FlMonger while he was in Cali recently..it was a blast, but I'm sured he remembered how women love to salsa when we were at Tienda Vieja, and how very receptive they are to you when on the dance floor vs standing against the wall or sitting at your table <grin> Colombian women, actually latin women as a whole love to dance, and do it very well as it is part of their culture since they are very young girls...If you dance, your chances of hooking up with girls increases exponentially...ask any girl, and she will tell you, next to being good looking, they really enjoy a man who can dance- consider it foreplay before hitting the sheets.. <wink>

Good info on Cali FlMonger...I look forward to partying with you aagin in teh land of beautiful non-pro women.. I can't wait to hit club misty-k again!

Glad you enjoyed Faraon, or was it El faragon. Actually your pictures of Caroline look just like the girl I was telling you about when we discuss this club. We got there right after closing and many of the girls were milling around outside, My driver negotiated a 70,000 peso price for several hours back at the Intercontinental. Unfortunately I could not get her up to my room since she had no I.D. I was not expecting this hassle since only one month earlier I was not required to register guests or pay an extra fee. Glad to see you enjoyed Cali and i echo your sentiments entirely about the non pro action. With regards to your problems with the Flores girls, as you know, I spend a lot of time with one of thier girls and she swears that the price does not vary either for Colombianos or gringos. I still don't believe her but your tale may lend creedance. I am looking forward to a possible Labor Day weekend return, but this time I may not tell my Flores friend I am coming. I love her company, but as you have observed, the opportunities are incredible. By the way, whatever happened to your ice cream stand girl at Unicenter?

Beautiful girls.

Thanks,

Moondog

FL,

Great reporting and pleanty of talent in the photos.
I would love to explore Columbia one day, but even my latin friends are worried to go.
I have a friend who works at IBM and he told me, IBM, sent one of his co-workers to Bogota for a client and he never made it to the city because the cab driver robbed him and left him in the middle of no where with his underwear and t shirt on. They took him for everything.
I guess that's why, IBM is throwing $10K as a hazardous fee, during this assignment for certain employees who must travel to Bogota.

As far as traveling, did you feel completely safe?
I feel safe going to Mexico City, Sao Paulo, Rio etc ... but none of these cities have Rebels, gorillas and other types of Org.

CN

Slickone,

It is Faraon (not Faragon), see the photos of the buildings/signage posted in the Bar/Club thread. Did you meet your girl at the 'del Norte' Faraon, on the right, or the other on the left?

Ceenotes,

I only have this one visit to judge from, but I think you can't compare a 'tourist' going for a week with any other visitor. Especially with a business situation (or political or others) you can be set up. You can be recognized. You can be watched. Others will know of your plans and arrival.

I was back in Miami before anyone could realize that I was a target, and make a plan to optimize their take (ie. not a simple robery). I have friends in Miami that speak fluent, don't look gringo, and they won't go.

IMHO, these are the only risks in Columbia, for the hobby traveler:

1. There is war in the non-city areas. Solution - don't go there.

2. There are extremely dangerous neighborhoods in the city (like Brasil's favelas). Solution - don't go there.

3. Petty street crime. Not as bad as Rio, similar or less than say Manhattan in the 70s. Solution - be aggressively alert and careful, just like in Rio.

4. Danger from dudes that you upset, like drug trafficos out on the town with their girls. This is the area I fear the most. Exercise caution, I do not have a simple solution as with #1-3.

I felt safe, yet did have a paranoia much of the time, similar to Brasil... I don't let it ruin me and my time. But this was because I was in discos with drug traficos (I mean, who else could afford to go to these places?). There is no fear when you are walking the street, etc. (unlike Rio, where that is when you need to heed caution). I did have to up and leave twice because I didn't like the situation developing... specifically, erring on the side of caution we just bailed with no problem when sitting at a table with some girls, local guys try to hit on them from a distance with gestures and looks, women rebuff, guys begin to take issue with us rather than the girls that rejected them...

I felt totally safe in the casa's with the girls, at the mall, at my hotel, walking in busy and not-dangerous neighborhoods, taxis, etc.

Actually I don't know which faraon club she came from since they were closed when we got there and she was just one of many girls waitng to go home with her friends. Despite the real and not so real dangers I can't wait to return. I don't know about you but there is something about Colombia which has pervaded my bloodstream. Cali es Cali.

I may be wrong but you might be able to get a girl into your room at the Intercontinental by entering through the casino. Just a thought.

I didn't stay there, but I heard one friend tell another to try that. But then he learned that the elevator door is set to always open on the lobby floor, so security can peek in, as it passes from the casino/basement level up to the guest room floors.

This friend then was told to enter a service area next to the elevators, to access the service elevator. I can't remember if he was caught trying this, or if he finally got in a position (after a conversation with the manager) where he no longer had to pay for his female guests, as he was promised no fees when he checked in.

FLH, I was wondering how is it for Black dudes going there with the girls. There was a thread in the Chat area about Colombians negative attitude towards darker colombians. The criterias you had for mongerers going to Cali seemed good to me, but I m wondering how much of a negative effect color will have if any.

Thanks for any info..EE

Don't know that I have any direct experience, myself. I met up with maybe one or two black dudes, I mean to the point where we stood together sharing a beer (not to the point of actually going to places together). The seemed to fit in just normal (meaning no one I noticed paid attention to skin color), but they weren't getting girls hitting on them. Maybe they didn't have as much game or rap? Maybe they weren't considered good looking (they were of average age/height/weight, etc).

Thus, I can't really make an intelligent judgement to answer your question, sorry.

Maybe Batman or Slickone or someone else there when I was can offer a comment?