* All ATMs even the one's displaying "24 hours" were closed after 10.00 pm.

* Barbarella : terrible attitude of staff. Got reminded of some of the rip-off strip clubs in US. They even charged me bar fine of 50R for going out with a girl. Let me know if this is true for everyone. Girls I met in other clubs suggested otherwise. Those girls did work at Barbarella. Not all the girls are good looking in Barbarella. The club was semi dark. Picked a girl. On the way to the hotel realized it was a big mistake. After reaching the room It was difficult to have sex with her. Her overall figure was so bad. Anyway I paid her the whole amount and send her off. Her attitude was great though. I should have taken more time to check her out which is difficult in the semi dark environment and beacause of the corner seats assigned to a single guy.

*Help Disco : Had a nightmare. Picked a couple of brazilian brown/black girls. They seemed to be very enthusiastic and wanted to pull me to the dance floor and was all over me. Did not spend much time in the Help with that attitude of theirs and wanted to take them to my place. One of the girl agreed on 200R for whole night. The other girl said the same holds good with her. At the hotel they insisted money before sex other wise they are going to call cops. So paid them. Then they started playing their game as i suspected. They would almost do nothing. then one of them started saying that she has to leave because of her baby etc. They were very indisciplined and indescent in the room. Deliberately trying to do anything to piss me off. Happily send them home without paying the cab fare. Moral of the story Help is a very tricky place and do take girls if they want money before sex. It is extremely difficult to understand the girls. It is difficult to expect a minimum service guarantee unless the girl is tied to some kind of institution like terma, boite, escort agency.

* Except the above incidents I had great time during the 8 days visit to RIO.

* Suggestion to fellow traveller visiting for a week: FIRST 3/4 days focus on termas, boites( except barbarella) and escort agencies. During the process collect phone numbers from the girls(not only the ones you engage in sex) you like. Rest of the week follow up with your phone numbers. Folks staying for longer duration can afford to have few bad incidents from time perspective.

* It is always worth visiting Help once but the overall collection of girls were not impressive at all. Folks in southern california will find better luck at Adelitas and Chicago Bar in TJ. Help is nothing different than Adelitas or chicago bar except larger in size. Out of the 3/4 times I got girls from help one time was great. One time was OK and one time was nightmare.

* Does anybody know a good OIL WRESTLING club in Brazil or anywhere in the world ? Not much action in this area after Hollywood Tropicana closed.

Sounds like you had some bad luck, especially at Help. I've only had to pay upfront once and that should have been my clue to send her away, she was so cold and "let's get it over with" I had trouble staying hard.

Anyway, I don't like Barbarellas for the reasons you mention, once was enough for me, but Help has been fruitful. There is quite a turnover between 11:30 and 3, many times I've been there at 12 but not found anyone I liked until 2:30 or 3--but I've never left alone, or compromised. If you didn't find a garota or two to your liking, maybe you just didn't hang out (and dance) long enough.

Two gorgeous garotas I took from Help were cold fish (and I should have known better by then, but that little head....), however, almost all of the other 50+ were good to great for all night.

What were your POSITIVE experiences, in a little more detail? Did you check out the escort agencies?

Do you know Davidd?

Aldaron...he he he...!

Chin,

Yes, the 50$R barfine is the standard for Barbarellas. Also, there is a 50$R entry fee which includes some drinks, which is mandatory even if you don't take a girl out.

How did you not notice the girl "had a bad figure"? Dark or not, it couldn't have been that dark. Use your hands next time.

As far as the Help piranhas, my question is why did you take two out the first time and second, when was the last time a hooker called the cops on purpose? That's the most idiotic thing I've heard in months.

DavidD - LOL!!, Exploder too

Next time a hooker threatens to call the police BEFORE you have sex with her, tell her "to go right ahead". I would have shown her the door and told her to call from the street!

(Message edited by Thumper on November 02, 2003)

Thumper.... I would have handed her my phone and offered to dial for her.

The Police don't have time to respond to every call made by a puta, unless of course they are working with a cop. In that case, that is a whole different disaster your dick has gotten you into.

Hunterman,
I had great positive experiences. Luomo was the first terma I visited so I may have a soft spot for it. It was the most relaxing terma. I liked just one girl out of the many. She was nothing but a real real girl friend. I will never forget her so I won't name her. Overall I would rate luomo girls 5.75 in the scale of 10. The sex ambience I would rate 9 out of 10.
At Help there was this one sexy white/fair girl with KILLER look. The view of her face, when she was giving me BBBJ, with cute pink lips and the innocent bluish-green eyes and short blonde hair swaying from side to side was alone worth the trip.
My heart goes out for RIO as I am recollecting these events. The girls from all the institutions loved me so much that one bad incident makes you feel very sad.
After sex that last garota stayed back for long ours, danced for me and eager to please me like anything although I got her for short time. Finally I felt so energized that I went back to help with her, paid more entrance fee for her as well as me. Had drink with her in the club and ended up getting one more girl after an hour.

Catocony,
barbarella makes a party of one sit against the wall rather than near the lighted stage. It was very dark and she was wearing black dress. Her attitude was great and talked very good english. Surprisingly there was a big difference in her look between the lighted and dark ambience. On top of that I was disgusted after paying 110 $R to barbarella.
I heard from people first hand who faced such scenarios. After facing it myself I did extensive investigation in RIO. My conclusion is as follows:
* Garotas calling cops is not that infrequent.
* Communicating with cops is not that easy if you are not fluent with portuguese.
* It is very difficult to prove that you as a customer did not get what was promised to you since everything was he said she said...
* On the other hand it is extremely easy to prove that you are denying to pay her and she deserves the amount(if not outrageous) since you got her from help etc to your room.
* Only bad thing is the fact that she won't get business from you again. If she is associated with an institution that kind of thing will deter her from misbehaving with you.
* You want to have a good time and might have paid >2100 $R for airfare why not pay $R 200 more and forget it.
I did realize that it was a bad decision to get two new girls for 3some. At least one of the girl should have been known before. Even if the girls are new pick from two different groups and not from the same group or friends.
No matter what you do you are at the receiving end, especially for girls from help.
One of the two girls was worse and cheated me outright. I'll beat the shit out of her if i get the right opportunity by myself or using third party on my next trip.

Thumper,
Every hour counts at RIO especially if you are there for 8 days trip. Imagine two outrageous and indisciplined girls who systematically organized such scam. They were completely different person in help and once they entered the room. They organized it skillfully and with intelligence. Do you want to take chances and waste your money and time or forget them and go ahead with the girls you know ?
It was a terrible circumstance.

Hunterman,
Regarding the escort agency, they are great at least technically.
* I don't know how it is possible to get girls from escort agency without land phone.
* The girls may not speak any english. It may not be so difficult to negotiate with escort agency especially if you know "um pouco de portuguese" and asking for a girl by name after having looked them over on internet.
* There may not be much chemistry and yet they would perform technically everything advertised.
* Unlike Sao Paulo most of the escort agency in RIO does not show the face of the girl. That can be a disappointment.
There was this girl estrella from ciaplus with great tits, ass, legs except her face. Her body except the face is 8.5. I was fucking her good doggy style. She had a tight loving cunt. Suddenly I realize that I was fucking a piece of flesh. She was a nice 19 yr old girl. Very nice girl. I had no problem with any girl with my little portuguese. With her I could hardly talk.
Fucked her for half an hour more and sent her back without orgasm. I wanted to reserve my orgasm only with the right ones since the number of good orgasms are limited to 3/day.
Pay or not pay girls will be girls. Got to do right foreplay and build up right chemistry before you bring them to your room.

Estrella was (is) on my "to fuck" list. Sounds like you had a mixed experience with her though. How bad was her face? Was she a 1-bagger?

How much did you pay?

Hunterman,
may be a 5 out of 10(especially beacause of her teeth). Paid 200 + 15 $R for 2 hours. She is a very nice girl. Could not connect due to language problem.

You must all be visiting a different Barbarella from the one I know. Not all the girls are beautiful, of course, but there are many beautiful ones every night and turnover is big, so if you don't find what you like one night, go back the next and you will.
When you enter Barbarella, tell the waiter or maitre d' who seats you that you want to sit on the far side of the room near the rest rooms - this is where the girls who don't have a date yet congregate and the rest pass by on their way to the toilets. The staff is friendly and professional. If you don't get a good response to your seating request, give your man 10 reals and he will become your best friend. I have developed a great relationship with Adolto and his twin brother Sebastian, so ask for them if all else fails.
The fees you pay are part of the game and give you structure. It is very unlikely that a girl from Barbarella will outright steal from you or directly cheat you. One good tip I learned the hard way is never leave with a girl who is really drunk - this always turns out badly unless you like faux necrophilia. A few of the girls are money grubbers, especially Viviana and her friends, but more likely your bad experience will just be the standard one where the girl wants to give you what you want in a perfunctory manner and get the hell home to her kid.
Don't sit too far up front either where the lights are bright. Sit against the wall next to the johns, as I said, where you can look them over and pick and choose. Don't be even the slightest bit encouraging, though don't be unkind, to the swarms of girls who don't suit you. I personally am only interested in pretty girls who are submissive, bisexual, and who have big tits, so many girls don't do it for me and I can't get aroused by them. I also only want blow jobs along with a lot of kissing and caressing and I never want a rubber because I can't keep it up with one. In my experience the girls rarely use rubbers for blow jobs, but it never hurts to get that settled up front.
Most of the girls are into having a good time themselves and love Americans. In my own experience, the girls are generally honest and friendly and quite sweet, but then again I spoke Spanish before I arrived and have learned Portuguese during my three trips to Brazil and emailing and phoning the girls I met in Rio from home. I also now have a Brazilian cell phone - a must for repeat visitors.
I like to recruit a nice girl that I like and then have her accompany me on fishing expeditions for other women for us to have sex with. This way you weed out the girls who tell you they are bisexual because they want to make you happy, but don't really have it together when the chips are down. Not all Brazilian girls are bisexual and you have to probe to get this straight. They will all suck your cock in tandem with other women and are utterly uninhibited about having sex in intimate proximity with other naked women - that never bothers them - but really getting into sex with other women is by no means universal. I doubt in the end that any Brazilian girl who really likes you wouldn't put on a show for you with other women, but why bother to educate them when there are plenty of others passing by shortly who already fit the bill.