A Long Weekend First Trip to Germany – November 2003


Overview
This trip report is intended as fast fact info for newbie visitors. It contains a few of my opinions about some of the FKK Clubs that I visited. I am a little older than some of the guys who may read this report. I have a tendency to enjoy more laid back establishments as opposed to the in your face places with the superstar lineups.

A lot of guys helped me prep for this trip. Among the many, I would especially like to thank, Surfer (PrivateSite), Peter26 (ClubHombre), and AgentX (ymmv). However, the one guy to whom I owe a large debt for his assistance as well as his damn good company is HermesCali (PrivateSite).

It is my intention to post this report to the following boards: ymmv, and ClubHombre’s Europe Section. There are no fotos, primarily because I kept forgetting the damn camera at the hotel. And had I not, I doubt that the camera would have been allowed at most of the clubs that I visited. I missed some great scenery shots though, which I intend to remedy with a return trip.

Driving in Germany
To do this trip you have to do some serious driving. Although there is a centralized red-light district in Frankfurt, it alone is not worth a Trans-Atlantic flight. Outside of Frankfurt, which only has one FKK Club, the clubs are spread out being 30 to 90 minute drives and depending on where you are at maybe more. I would seriously discourage anyone from doing much drinking and trying to visit the clubs.

I rented a car from Sixt and got a hell of a lot better price than I heard from Avis. Do not ask for the weekend deal, as it has insurance built into it. A midrange Beemer will cost about 40+ Euros a day from Sixt. Spend the money, as you will be in the car a lot.

http://www.sixt-europe.com

I also recommend getting the GPS navigation system. I believe that is another 10 Euros a day. I did not have it and suffered without it. HermesCali showed me his one night and life was much better. The clubs are often off the main roads and can be difficult to find. In addition to this, the maps from Map24, while useful, do not print the detail that well. I also recommend getting a map of the western part of Germany. I used Michelin Regional 543 and it was very helpful. When driving the Autobahn and major highways, the exit signs often state the name of the city that is in that direction. I would make notes for myself using the Michelin map in the hotel room before going out. I still got lost.

FKK Clubs that I Visited
I spent some time reading reviews of various clubs before I went and had a pretty good idea of where I wanted to go. The best known (Atlantis, World, and Oase) comprised the top of the list. I took a hotel room just north of Hanau, so that I had good access to Atlantis and World, while still being close to Frankfurt. For all of the clubs on my list, I printed out what information was available at Kaleu’s Club Index.

http://www.kaleus-clubindex.com/kaleu/fkk-en.php

I visited Atlantis immediately after checking into my hotel. This put me there at about 16:30 on a Friday afternoon. This may well be the classiest whorehouse I have ever visited and I was glad I went just to see the place. The eye candy level is extraordinaire. There are girls of every nationality and type that you could imagine. As I walked around, I heard both Spanish and Portuguese being spoken. I eventually went with a very pretty Romanian girl and she was a great time for a guy just off a plane.

But you know what, ….. There are a lot of surgical implants in this place and the routine is a little too practiced for my tastes. I intended to return, but after seeing the smaller clubs never made it back. I have nothing bad to say about Atlantis, but I prefer the settings of the smaller clubs. For this reason I never made it to World or Oase.

On Saturday I started out the day intending to try out Schieferhof in Lichtenberg, but noticed that the printout stated that it was only open Monday thru Friday. This and an unanswered phone call caused me to look elsewhere. After taking in the sites along the Rhein, we ended up making an expedition to Parksauna Wildenrath. I really liked this place. There were 12 girls working and 6 of them caught my interest. The place is so out of the way, I doubt it ever gets very crowded. It is just a friendly whorehouse with pretty girls with good attitudes. If that’s not what you want, I have no idea what to say. The free food was even good. The only downsides are the distance and none of the girls I talked to (well sort of) spoke English, Spanish or Portuguese.

On Sunday afternoon I drove to Fantasyland. This place is an experience. It is out in the country with a spacious German woods view. It’s very nice and upscale. While I am looking the place over, some guy starts things up with a cute blond and ends up doing her on the pool chair in between the sauna and whirlpool. The sauna is glass enclosed. Actually, seeing a pushy guy with a beer gut having sex with a pretty blond is not my idea of entertainment, so I did not watch the performance closely enough to point rate it. For some reason it left me a little cold. There were a limited number of girls on this Sunday afternoon and none were getting my interest. Didn’t want the blond after that, and in fact some other guy quickly grabbed her. I was going to go check out World, but I started remembering Parksauna Wildenrath and drove back there for a repeat. Had a good time once again.

In addition to the FKK visits I went bar hopping with another guy in the Frankfurt red light district. This is very different. There are a few square blocks near the main train station (hauptenbaht?) that has a wide range of bars, strip clubs, and whorehouses. I was told that the strip clubs are clip joints. Interestingly enough there were several nice enough bars with themes from other countries, primarily Latin or Thai. We went into several of these places and there were girls to be met, but not in a point and click manner. If I had to categorize the ladies, I would say they appeared to be semi-pros or non-pros.

The one whorehouse that I was shown was different than anything I had ever seen before. It was a five-story building and you walked from floor to floor looking into rooms that had girls, a few of who were quite pretty. There was a veritable parade of guys walking through the place and the unlit hallways and colored lights coming from the rooms gave a highly surrealistic effect. This place is primarily short time in nature and the going price seems to be around 25-30 Euros. When the girls notice that you are from out of town, they will ask for more. I asked one young blond how much she charged and she informed me that I was on a special floor that cost 100 Euros. I told her I’d get back to her later. I stopped in the establishment twice late at night, when I didn’t feel like driving out to the clubs. One experience was terrible and the other mediocre. This venue is not recommended, unless you are in the area and feel like a quick stop before heading home, although it’s a decent fallback option after hitting the non-p4p bars.

Summary
This is not a cheap trip. Figure a burn rate of 300 Euros a day plus airfare. That figure is based on a cheaper hotel. I was glad I went and might go again for a long weekend in late February. On a subsequent trip, I would probably take a hotel in the Koblenz area, as that would give me shorter drive times to the clubs that I liked or still want to visit.

Gitano

Thanks for your detailed report. I have some questions for you however.

Why are you returning in February? Is Gemany on par with Brazil, or merely another alternative destination in your opinion?

How was the session quality at the FKK's, compared to your experiences at Thermas?

I met you in the Rio airport and you invited me for a drink in the private lounge. You're a class act brother, and the information is appreciated. Cheers!

Gitano,

Glad to hear you had such a good time at my absolute favourite club for exactly the same reason as you. Here are some pictures of some of my favourite girls from wildenrath. Are These any of the ones that caught your Eye.

Photo: Beate

Photo: Monika

Photo: Natascha

Photo: Naomi

Photo: Eva

Photo: Sylvia

Some of my favourite girls have no pictures and are the new girl Dominika and Mina.

Peter

DonGringo,

Good to hear from you. The sessions in the FKKs are very good and on any given day one may do better at either an FKK or a terma. IMNSHO I prefer the Rio girls.

One reason why is that I can communicate in Portuguese. I am at a loss in German and some of the other languages that the girls spoke. One girl I met spoke 4 languages. I speak 3. We could barely exchange a word. You can get by in Germany speaking English. Many Germans speak English. With the girls in the clubs this is not true. Based on my one trip to Atlantis, there are many Spanish and Portuguese speaking girls in the larger clubs. They tend to be from DR, Cuba, Colombia, and Brazil.

One reason that caused me to try Germany are the current Rio airfares. They really suck. I have decided not to return to Germany in February, but will try Spain instead. Germany is beautiful and the clubs are great, but it's not Rio. The garrotas are still my favorites.


Peter,
A few of the girls in your pictures look familiar. I went with Beate and Naomi. Both were nice, but Beate is a first-class experience. If you see her tell her the bald American says hi. Monika and I exchanged a few smiles, but our schedules just did not work out. She seemed very sweet. Thanks for your help. If I remember correctly, you are the one who mentioned Wildenrath to me.


For those this reading this, be aware that this club is over an hour north of Koblenz. That's three hours from Frankfurt.

Gitano,

Very nice report - glad to see to were able to get to several venues.

My language experience was very different at Atlantis. 9 of the 10 girls I sessioned with spoke good to excellent English and only one didn't speak any. There were quite a few girls who spoke only Spanish - so even if you speak German it was useless with them.

I've been playing around on the sixt.com site trying to get a BMW for a decent rate but can't. Are you logging on as an American? Can you log on as say a German and get a better rate?

Again nice report - good new information,

WS

Gitano,

Nice report and photos. Thanks.

See you in Rio.

Moondog

I just purchased today my train tickets for Köln. Peter's invitation to Wildenrath couldn't be bypass (see his previous posts).
Gitano, you just get me more excited.
I can't wait to visit those small clubs in the Köln area that are rated superior to Frankfurt FKKs by distinguished fellow hombres.
My trip is scheduled from 12/6 to 12/8 and I will report to CH.
Thanks everybody for the tips... and the excitation

The whore houses were you walked from floor to floor looking into rooms that had girls are common in German cities. Usually the 25-30 Euros will only get you a very quick fuck or suck. As soon as the door shuts they will go for the up sell. It can be almost as bad as the TJ street girls adding cost for each and every request.

I wouldn’t recommend using this kind of brothel in Germany. There are a lot of better ways to get what you need.

Dimone

Wallstreet,
The comment about not being able to find a common language with the girls had to do with the samll clubs, not the big ones. I log into the Sixt site as an American. The person who told me about the site told me to fool around with that option if I was not getting a good rate. hmmm, let me try a few things here.

I just asked for a bmw/3r for 3 days Friday thru Monday and it came to a total of $124.10 US plus an 18 Euro service fee. Thats about what I paid. Also you have a good chance of getting upgraded. I suspect that the difference in prices is that I am renting primarily on the weekend.

Great report. It is nice to see that we are finally getting some action on the FKKs. I've wanted to try them for a long time but have been worried about the overall trip costs. Gitano, you talk about 300 EUs a day which is about $350. We know the car is around $50. Could you give a breakdown of the rest of the costs?

Gitano
Thanks for the great report. Sounds like every hombre needs to make a fkk stop at least once in his career.
Girls posted by Peter look enticing enough.
As far as Rio airline, have you tried consolidators? I was able to get a decent price with 5 days notice and my other friends are not paying high price with enough advance notice.
Termas are the best so not surprised to hear you'd rather have a drink with garotas in tow.

Gitano:

Lo and behold I was able to get that great rate through www.sixt.com on a BMW 3er ($124.10 for the weekend + service charge of 18.30Eu). Then when I saw a non-stop roundtrip on Continental (Newark/Frankfurt) for $403 everything included, I booked a trip for the December 12 weekend.

I'm waiting for confirmation from a B&B in Altenstadt - if that comes through this trip should cost about half of what my first trip cost.

Thanks for your great info!

TightFit,

My estimate breakdown:

50 Car
60 Hotel
150 Girls and entrace fees
40 Gas, food, and incidentals.
====
300

Athos,

Thanks for the info, but I hate consolidators. I have a series of reasons why, and they mainly have to do with the way I like to do things.

WallStreet,

U all booked? I am awaiting final word that I'll have that Fri off. If so, I'll break my FKK cherry, leaving BOS 12/11 and returning on 12/15. I assume you recommend not wasting hotel points for a free stay at Marriot-Frankfurt?

Hope to see you and have a safe flight.

-dm

Wallstreet,

You may want to consider the Tryp in Lagenselbold just off of A-66 where it goes east from A-45. This is where I stayed. The people are very nice. There is a large buffett breakfast included. There is off-street garage parking included. The rooms are not that spacious, but at 54 Euros a night and seldom being in the room other than to sleep, it filled the bill for me. You can find places like this thru the following link.

http://www.hrs.com/

Have a good trip. I am looking at LOS the week before Memorial Day.

Gitano/Wallstreet,
There must be a trick to get the rate you're getting at sixt.com ... All I get is $300+ for a BMW (no definite plan to head over to FRA, yet, but a guy can dream on, can't he?). Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
SD

Sugardaddy,

Hmm, I just tried and got the same rate as WS and Git. No magic needed.

-dm

Sorry ... I see it.
$124.10 for the entire weekend but $101.40 per day otherwise. The rates seem much lower if you identify yourself as a resident of Germany, though. Thanks.
SD

Gitano,

Thanks for the advice - the B&B in Altenstadt still hasn't confirmed so I'll check out your suggestions.

DonMarco,

I'm all booked - will arrive in Frankfurt Dec 13 Saturday 9:30am, and leave Dec 15 Mon at 11:00am.

Guess it depends how many points you have - but you're going to be in the car and the clubs a lot more than the hotel, so that's where my monetary focus is.

I plan to stay in or around Altenstadt - I'll inbox you as we get closer to the date, but let's try to hook up at least once in Atlantis.

WS

Wallstreet, are going to visit FKK Oase also this
time. Don't forget you are not independent traveler, but ClubHombre member. Make this trip even more enjoyable and report to us.

Since Oase is so close to Atlantis, if I can find the damn place this time I'll be sure to report back.

I'm meeting up with at least one other board member and we'll probably hit at least one other FKK that's never even been mentioned on this board. All, of course, will be in a report.

Wallstreet,

The only club in the region that has never been mentioned is Dietzenbach, which is a low cost alternative. It belongs to the Red Carpet Clubs which dominate the Ruhr area. There are some crap clubs óut there, so be sure where you are going is OK.

Peter