I just got back from my first trip to Brazil. For those of you who have experienced a 1st return trip from Brazil, you are well aware of the strong, impossible to shake, urge to return there. I was totally prepared for this trip. Being a monger in TJ for quite some time, I knew I could handle this trip. I was only looking for a god time, not a relationship. I know all of the tricks these women pull to get themselves a ticket to the states, and I consider myself very street wise.

I spent over 8 months reading everything I could on this board. I even e-mailed some of you, making sure that I was totally prepared for this adventure. I can now tell those who have never been to Rio that you can not possibly prepare yourself for what you are going to go through. I came home with more money than I expected to come home with, and am totally in love with the country, and the women, one in particular.

Go ahead --- laugh!

I booked the Luxor Regent hotel in Rio for my first 6 nights, and the Braston Hotel in Sao for my last 3 nights through Bobby at Blame it on Rio travel. I booked my own frequent flyer ticket with Delta from Los Angeles through Atlanta to Sao Paulo. Bobby arranged for my connecting Varig flight to Rio. I also signed up with Don of Rio Trips. I thought that the utilization of Don’s services would make the trip much safer than if I did it on my own. Don also provided airport pick-up and the use of a cell phone during my Rio stay. I also enlisted the services of Sandman’s’ interpreter for dinner on the first night.

I spent 6 months listening to Pimsler CD’s while driving back and forth to work. I only got to lesson 18, but I know the material well. Being as prepared as I thought I could have possibly been, I set out on my adventure.

Other than the length of time it takes to get from Los Angeles to Sao Paulo, the Business Elite flights went fine. The route of flight takes you over the Amazon basin and the rain forest. Too bad that it is 2:00 am and you can’t see a thing.

Looking out my window during the final approach of the flight, I could not believe the size of Sao Paulo. It stretches out as far as the eye could see. I understand that there are over 18 million people in Sao Paulo.

As I entered the airport, I made a mental note to see if I can get my money back for the Pimsler CD’s when I get back. I had my bags checked all the way through to Rio and was told by Delta that I would NOT retrieve my bags until I reached Rio. WRONG. You must collect you bags in Sao Paulo, go through customs, (a joke), and re-deposit your bags with your connecting airlines. Immigration and Customs was nothing more than a line to walk through, and took no more than 10 minutes to complete.

The flight to Rio was about 50 minutes long. I collected my bags, and proceeded to the area where I was to meet my ride to the Luxor.

The driver could “speck nglish-e”, which made me feel very “bone”.

On the way to the hotel, I kept checking where my money was, my wallet, etc. I have read so many reports on crime; I was not going to be a statistic. Somewhere in the heart of Rio while we were stopped at a light, an unshaven, red-eyed, man puffing on a cigar (looked a little like Freddie the Freeloader) approached the car, and placed his hand on the door. I reached for the door lock, but was too late. I couldn’t believe that I was going to be robbed already.

As the door opened, the man said, “Hi Thomas, I’m Don”. My emotions went from Fear, to Glee, to “What in the hell have I done.”

After a trip to the cigar store for replenishment, we went to the Luxor Regent. Here is where Don’s worth became apparent. Even though Don was up most of the night at a wedding, here he was, making sure that I was OK. He asked for an upgrade, an ocean view, and even checked the “Visitor” requirements for me. The room wasn’t ready yet, and Don stayed with me until it was, about an hour. Don told me to change and meet him at the office (Alcazar), one block away.

I checked in, called interpreter, and went to Alcazar.

There were about 5 people at the office besides Don, including a beautiful blond hanging onto one of the mongers. (I will not use real names). My first impression of this group was that I was home. I have never met a nicer group of people in my life. I had a few drinks with the guys, and let Don know that I had a date with Interpreter. He told me that he would be there at the office when I returned. I thought “right!”

Interpreter is a really great gal. She is intelligent, cute, and very accommodating. I enjoyed her company. Thanks Sandman for your assistance. After my “Date”, I went back to Alcazar and sure enough, at 2 in the morning, Don was there. He wanted to know if I wanted to go to one of the clubs, but I declined, being extremely tired from the trip.

The next day, I spent some more time with Interpreter, trying to go to either Sugar Loaf or Christo, but the weather just was not going to cooperate. We walked down Impinema back to the hotel where we enjoyed session #2. What a way to kill some time.

Late in the afternoon, Don took me to Luomo for my first terma experience. I met Bell, a new girl that Don wasn’t familiar with. She has a natural C cup which was calling my name. Bell is cute, and somewhat accommodating, but not what I would call a GFE. She did the job, but was too mechanical. I am glad I sessioned with her, but I would not repeat. For R$260, it was a great deal. We met up with attorney after the session, and the 3 of us went to dinner. Attorney and I have a difference of opinion as to the legal health in the US, but I respect the man anyway. The man is very intelligent, and his opinions are based on his life’s work, and not on some story he read in the LA Times.

After dinner, I decided to try Help, 2 blocks down from Alcazar. I was not real impressed with Help for the 1st hour, but things started to happen. I spotted a cute little brasileira walking around the perimeter (I’ll cal her Red). As I was following Red, another girl tapped me on the shoulder. I turned and could not believe my eyes. There stood one of the most beautiful brasileira women I have ever seen.

I am going to make this short. After doing some of the dirtiest dancing I have ever done, we went back to my hotel room. “LL” was with me from 4 AM until 1PM. We had brunch together. I paid her R$200 for the entire session, and she left.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and this beholder couldn’t get over her physical beauty, and her inner beauty. We actually had a great time together. I had as much fun with her speaking English as she had with me speaking Portuguese.

The next night, Don introduced me to another monger, Tennessee. Tenn and I tried Help again. I thought that I would let fate control the evening. If I saw Red 1st, I was going to session with her. If I saw LL 1st, l then I would repeat with her. I took almost an hour, but my fate was sealed with LL.

LL and I closed Help down, and started to walk back to my room for another R$200 session. Walking past Alcazar, I saw Don and a few other mongers. Because the block between Alcazar and the Luxor is noted for crime, Don walked LL and I to the hotel. I couldn’t believe it, but this session was better than the 1st. We both just clicked.

Guys, the rest of my time was spent with LL. I did have dinner again with Don one night, but LL and I were inseparable. We went to Cristo together, and took the helicopter ride. (R$140 per person). The ride is great and I strongly recommend it.

LL also went to Sao Paulo with me, which is where she lived prior to moving to Rio. She worked at many of the clubs in Sao Paulo, and she took me too many of them. At Big Ben, she danced for me which was a total turn on. LL knew many of the girls at many of these clubs and she introduced me to most of them. We ran into Tenn at Love Story. He was surprised that I was still with LL. I told him that I broke every rule in the mongers rule book. He said he’s been there, done that.

It was hard to say good-by, so LL went to the airport with me for my midnight departure back to LA via Atlanta. Tenn was also in line for the same flight.

After checking inn, I decided to pass up the Air France lounge so that I could spend the last few minutes with LL. We got a couple of beers, and sat down. LL looked into my eyes, and started to cry.

Guys, I royally Fuc**d up. I did not want this to happen, but it did. There are many reasons I want this relationship to end, but there is one overpowering reason that I do want to continue it.

The question comes up if this is a game or not. Tears and all can be faked, but I don’t think this is the case. Money was obviously not her motivation since although I did give her some money at the end, she didn’t ask for any. I wanted to buy a cell phone in Sao Paulo. I had a hard time because I didn’t have a Brazilian ID card, so LL put the phone in her name. She gave me much joy, company, and love. She asked for very little in return.

As I was saying good-by, I started to tear up, which I haven’t done in 30 years. I got on the plane, and called LL from my new cell phone. We were both crying like babies.

A few minutes after I hung up, the phone rings again. It’s LL saying that she just wanted to hear my voice one more time.

Since I returned to LA, we have talked twice, and e-mailed each other every day.

I did not accomplish what I set out to do, but I may have stumbled into something worth so much more. Only time will tell. If I could just get my dick out of the way so that I can think straight. Actually, I enjoy being with LL, in bed or out.

I return to Rio on 3 March. To prepare, I start private Portuguese lessons next week. Three lessons per week, 1 ˝ hours each. I may spend my entire time with LL (probable), or do what I set out to do in the first place. It depends on how I feel after a 3 month separation.

One thing is for sure. Brazil has changed me for the rest of my life. I will never be the same.

I want to thank Don, Karl, and Roberta for all of their assistance. Their service is mandatory for any first timers. Even if you don’t need their services, they are great people to know. I would also like to thank all of the mongers I met at Alcazar. Without exception, every person I met was incredible. I felt that I knew them all for many years.

That’s about it for now. I will keep you posted as to what happens in March.

Life is good!

Thomas,

There is nothing wrong with finding a beautiful girl and spending a lot of time with her, as it can be a very rewarding experience, especially when they are as fun as your girl sounds. Best of luck to you, just be careful with your heart.

I met Don this past weekend, and he seems like a great guy to hang with and help others out.

Take care, and report back on how this is going.

Moondog

Thomas,

I'm glad you had a great time in Rio. I used Don on my first trip and couldn't agree more about how helpful he can be.

As for your "situation" with the girl. Part or me says "good luck", while another part says get a helmet, it's a long way down.

Sterling

Thomas,

You must have shown personal attributes that attracted LL who must also have done likewise.

If your subsequent visits with LL will have proven that she will be same LL whom you've known her at first sight, you got yourself a very nice girlfriend. So I'm with Moondog's advice - be careful with your heart.

It is great story and very best to you and LL. Hope you share your story of next journey with us here. Good luck and enjoy your life when you can!

Thomas, I'm glad you had a great trip. You've only scratched the surface of a wonderful country to visit. Though SP is my favorite city.

It's o.k. to like/love a "working girl"! Just don't marry one! I've heard to many horror story's when hobbyer's marry one! sf4dfish

Thomas,

Learn to treasure those warm memmories while depositing them in a remote corner of the brain. Love 'em and leave 'em is the only game in town unless you looking for a lot more heartache than saying goodbye (IMHO). Best of luck amigo.

-dm

Thomas,

Sounds like you had a great trip. I don't think there's anything wrong with what you did - you found someone who you clicked with, was beautiful and made you feel good. What the heck is wrong with that?

You don't have to screw 5 girls a day to have a "successful" vacation. You had a great time and that's what counts. I agree with sf4dfish though - you don't want to marry one.

Remember the girls are like the rides at Disneyworld. They work great. . . at Disneyworld and only at Disneyworld. You can't take Disneyworld with you.

It was good meeting you Thomas...and the success of your trip can only be measured by yourself but since I ran into you several times in rio and SP and I saw the smile all over your face these guys didnt... was it worth a few tears..stupid question as thats what makes it that much better..been there done that ..please lets do it again..

Rules were made to be broken, and as long as you have your eyes open--which you clearly do--you may avoid the consequences that caused people to formulate the rules in the first place.

I didn't know the rules or the way things worked until I had been to Rio a few times (didn't know about CH then). It gave me a little heartache the first time realizing I'd been had (plus the money), and just some money the next time or two. But I am (was) a hopeless romantic, and believed my own fantasies.

If you don't move too fast, take your time to see how things unfold, you'll minimize the chances of a big mistake. But beware the power of the little head over the big head.

And best of luck. I want to believe some of us can really find the woman of our dreams there.

Thomas: Nice report, too bad TJ will never be the same for you ever again!!
I think that Wallstreet's last paragraph is about the most accurate way to put it. I still have a photo of the girl that I fell for in Rio on my frige, but I would never try to have a relationship with a working girl.
If you want to commit sucide ther are easer way's of doing it.

A sign of a good report for me is whether I am smiling when I finish it. Thomas, maybe you broke the rules and maybe you didn't. Time will tell. But right now you are a very happy person. Good luck with LL and any other woman in Brazil that you meet. They can't be worse then what you could find here so the upside is where the future action will lie.

And keep plugging away at your Pimsleur. I just finally finished lesson 20 on the second set after nearly 6 months. Slow but steady. I figure this is a good way to force myself to return to Rio to justify the time I have spent trying to learn the language.

Read my Sept report Thomas. I've been there... word has it... I'm still there. Have you seen me lately guys?

Yes. Just teasing.

(Message edited by moondog on November 25, 2003)

Thomas44,

Have you even thought about going back to TJ at all? Once you've gone to Rio, the zona norte just does not get the job done for you anymore.

Great report - your's is a common tale, with several variations. The big quesion is, when are you coming back?

Thomas44,

Ditto...there's no one "right" way to do Rio and Brasil. You just follow your instincts. Lots of us of had great experiences with our special garotas, others of us have been burned big time, but what a way to go!

Have you purchased your next ticket? Welcome to the club of ruined men!
Bwana

Whenever I get that queazy love feeling, I pull out the invoice from my ex-wife's lawyer in my wallet, and I stare at it until the feeling goes away. After I am finished crying, I take great satisfaction in knowing that the attorney is married to a gringa, hahaha.

That said, good luck to you man! Lord knows we all deserve a couple of shots at happiness - all our days should be that way, and I hope you struck gold. Three cheers for Thomas!

Thanks guys for all of your comments and advice. This is truly what makes this board priceless. I do go into TJ once in awhile, but I just can't get excited about it any more. As far as LL and I are concerned, we e-mail each other almost daily. She is very sweet, but marriage is a long way away I think. I am seperated, but married. That should be over with soon. My feelings towards LL when I see her again after 4 months seperation will tell alot.

I'll be back in Rio from 3 March to 16 March. Hope to see some of you at the office.

Schedule and rules followed by Rio garotas :

1) Never ask for money when you first meet Mr Gringo
2) Try to stay with him every single day of his trip
3) It is mandatory to cry at farewell dinner and at the departure gate
4) Stay connected to Mr G. by phone or email and give him big saudade
5) Your father MUST get sick and/or your brother MUST loose his job and they both bought a house and are now in big debt
6) So now you can talk money with your pal from the North.

Thomas, now you seem to be at phase 4. Maybe you will never reach phase 5 and I wish you won't but the odds are not in your favor. Nevertheless, any lottery got happy winners.

All the best,
Dcool

Hi Dcool,

I have been waiting for the money hammer to fall. If it does, I,m out of there. I hope it doesn't, but if it does, it was great while it lasted. I'm still on cloud 9.

Thomas,

Just remember, here in Rio, you're the sportfish, not the fisherman. It's okay to get hooked, just don't get landed

I think that being the fish and not the fisherman is what I didn't understand before, but boy do I like the reversed positions. I know that many of you have had some very bad experiences, and your warnings are appreciated. I will give LL the benefit of the doubt until such time as she proves herself otherwise. I think one of the key ingrediants in this picture is that I did not ever discuss a return trip to Rio until a week after I got home. As I said before, if she is playing a game, and she very well may be, she is extreamly good at it.

Thanks again!

Thomas.... caution is necessary, but every situation is different. There are sharks and there are sweethearts. Whether they follow a schedule or a set of con rules depends on how much they like each individual guy. I can't say what yours is, but time will give you the answer. Then again, you could be like Catacony and fire your girl like he did today.

Catacony.... my girl says you are muito safado.

Dcool- you have a good point ...sounds like a poll for us common repeaters who dare take "wives"...I will be first if we care to..

Only 1 out of 5 have reached the dreaded step 5/6....not too bad I thought..

Aldaron,

I can't agree with you more. Time will tell.

Layne,

When are you going back to heaven?

What these girls do better than any other part of the world is make guys feel special. It is the key ingredient. Fact is, none of us are special. These girls will lie, often when the truth would serve them better. The key to enjoying them properly is to not set your expectations too high. Enjoy them for that they are, fun chicks to hang out with and have sex. Thats about as far as it will ever go.

I hate to rain on your parade.

Thomas.... it is generally good advice to follow from the above posts, but I would just add that you should be the judge of your own individual situation. There are good ones and bad ones. Some will take advantage of you... some won't. Some want to leave Brazil... some don't. Generalizations about all of these girls serves no purpose. They are no more cookie cutter molds than the guys on this website.

That being said, giving their line of "work", it is probably best to stay out of any complicated relationships. As I say that, I am looking at my complication lying in the bed asleep.

January 21....if I can hold out...

damn SOG...dont rain on my parade of fantasies...I AM SPECIAL...maybe special ed ...

Hi Aldaron,

You are absoutley correct. Time will tell if this is a keeper or not. All of the positive responses to my post are appreciated. So are the negative responses.

I have been given a wealth of information to look out for. Lets face it, Brazilian women do not think, act, talk or even resemble american women. Because my heart says one thing, and my mind saya something else, I rely on you professionals to lead this beginner through the path of heartache.

Thanks for all of your kind support.

Life is good, I hope!

Sorry I'll miss you on this trip Layne. I will be returning 3 or 4 times in 2004. Hopefully, our paths will cross again.

Nice report Thomas. Glad the interpreter worked out for you.

As Bwana said, welcome to the club of ruined men. We are all dammed.

Funny side thought! They are all looking for ways out and we are looking for ways in.....!

Sandman

Us mongers spend our first 9 months looking for ways to crawl out of that hole, and the rest of our lives looking for ways to get back up there.I truly believe that I am dammed. I am sitting here, looking at my Alcazar ashtray, dreaming of Brazilian Butts. It just ain't the same around here anymore.

Nor will it ever be again;

Let's see;

1-How can I get more vacation time so I can visit more frequently?
2-Can I get comp time for overtime instead of pay?;
3-Who has the best airfares at what time of year?;
4-Is it worth paying a 10% penalty and cashing in my 401K plan and just moving there?;
5-How long do I really expect to live?

Welcome to the realm of ruined lives!

Sandman

Sandman; Re. #4 I've done the math for myself 300K plus 1K per month. That would be good for about 12 years.

It's a good thing I don't speak Portuges, I just wonder would my dick wear out before before my money ran out?

Roadglide, with most of the garotas, they would wear out your dick and wallet in equal proportions. They'll make sure of that!

At least you can somewhat control the flow of both. Has anyone ever thought that it was some smart garota scientific cabal that invented Viagra and Cialis?