By jkarp on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 12:33 pm: Edit |
I took a couple of weeks off from my project in Singapore to visit Malaysia, Indonesia, Cambodia, and Vietnam. Even though I mongered in all of these countries, including Singapore, I will share with you my experience in Siam Reap with a 19 years old Virgin Khmer girl back in June.
I landed in Phnom Penh from KL and headed to my pre arranged hotel. I had pre arranged a taxi for my stay in PP and the guy was there to pick me up. We made a stop at KM11 and picked up two Vietnamese for the afternoon. I would not write on that experience as there is much on the board already. I had a Khmer girl for the night. The next day I flew from PP to Siem Reap.
I had a great time in Siem Reap. Initially the trip was a visit to the Angkor Wat. When I came out of the airport I was met by a mob of taxi drivers and that made me go back to the counter that offered taxi service. My taxi driver was a great individual and offered to find the right girl for me. Since I was on an adventure tour I asked him if he could find me a virgin Khmer girl. He was very reluctant to that and the mentioned the price which was nothing but a shock. Anyway, I got some Vietnamese girls for a couple of days before he could find me what I was looking for. The price was the same for one or seven nights. I enjoyed three nights and then back PP.
The standard package is for 7 nights and it is a fixed price. If the girl comes from a brothel then there is extra fanfare and many people know where a virgin is going to be popped. If the girl is from a private family, or someone who just wants to get a lot of extra money and then may never do it again, then it is a very quiet matter, in some cases, it is a sad situation. My girl was a waitress, 19 years old, needed extra money for her parents who were living in some remote village. My taxi driver took me to their one room residence where she was living with her older sister. When I entered the room I thought they both were going to cry. I felt very uneasy about the situation and told the driver to take me back to the hotel and I was not interested. He asked me to wait in the cab while he would talk to the sisters. He came back after 10-15 minutes and said the girl really likes you and wants to spend time with you but she was very shy. He took me back to the hotel and told he would bring the girl in a few minutes. He left and showed up after an hour, alone, I asked him where the girl was and he said she was in the car but did not want to come in until the hotel staff was looking away or until it was safe for her to come to the room without anyone else knowing about it. Anyway, a few minutes later the driver brought her to the room. The girl said something to the driver in Khmer, which was to make sure I had condoms as she did not want any kid. I assured them both and showed them I had enough supplies of condoms. The driver left and then I tried to communicate with her with zero success as she did not know a word of English and I didn't know a word of Khmer. Anyway, I pointed her to shower and proceeded with her; she was very reluctant to take a shower with me but had no choice as she could not communicate. I started undressing her and started talking. She loosened up a bit and started taking my clothes off. I should say I really gave her a shower and that really helped getting things started. After the shower I offered her the chocolates that I had brought with me. She really liked the chocolates and I asked her if she was hungry so I could order room service. She didn’t understand what I was saying so I showed her the menu and pointed if she wants to eat. She just looked at me and said nothing. I was hungry so I ordered room service. We watched TV for a while and then there was a knock at the door. She jumped and ran to restroom and closed the door. Anyway, after a few minutes I knocked at the restroom door and told her everyone was gone and she could come out now. She peeked outside and made sure there was no one in the room before she came out. We had some food and now it was time for the action. I undressed her and kissed her all over, she did the same thing. I put a condom on and asked her for a Yum Yum, the common word for a BJ. The girl understood what I was asking but refused to perform Yum Yum but countered me with Boom Boom. “No Yum Yum Boom Boom”. I knew I was in uncharted territory so I did not make a big fuss. Even before that I experienced Khmer girls were reluctant to BJ while Vietnamese girls loved it and never refused it. Anyway, I paid for popping the cherry anyway so I proceeded to what I paid for. I fondled and fingered her to make sure she was wet enough to enter her and though she was a bit wet she was not wet enough for me to proceed. So I got the lubricant gel and proceeded to apply on her. Now I started to enter her slowly in missionary while kissing her all over the face. She got her hands on my shoulder with some resistance. It was not meant to push me away but rather to slow me down and I was very careful to begin with. Finally my tip was in and I stopped for a few seconds, she seemed to be OK after I stopped to so I started pushing it again. Finally I was almost in all the way and it felt like I had some extra lubricant down there. What a wonderful feeling after a very long time. Did it feel the same at the first time? Yes it sure did. Now she seemed to be OK with that so I took it out to apply a bit more lubricant. What is this? I have blood on my condom; Not a whole lot of blood so I knew she was not having her periods. Could it be she really was a virgin? Sure she was. I changed my condom right away and then back to where I left off. The a few minutes later I exploded in her in the same position and we headed back to shower. This time shower routine was a bit different and she did most of the work.
We ate food that was already in the room and watched some more TV. After that it was time for number two. This time I wanted her to be in a cowgirl position and that worked for may be one minute. She did not seem to be happy with this style and wanted to be a missionary again. I turned her over and wanted to do a doggie style. After a few maneuvers I got her in doggie style and entered her, she almost screamed and I felt very uncomfortable as well due to tightness of her pussy and she wasn’t wet enough. I pulled it out immediately and tried to calm her down. After a few minutes we proceeded to missionary and finished in the same position. After that we fell asleep and she woke me up 5 or 6 in the morning as our deal was that she would come every night and leave early in the morning before someone can see her leaving the hotel. She left and I got some more sleep before my driver showed up to show me around Angkor Wat.
By Redbus on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 04:26 pm: Edit |
why would a virgin know how to do yum yum
By SF_Hombre on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 05:44 am: Edit |
Why wouldn't she??
By Blazers on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 09:14 am: Edit |
I am not sure if this report is bullshit or not...tough to tell.
By Sterling on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 10:59 am: Edit |
Bullshit or not, it's definitely sad and more than a little creepy.
By I_am_sancho on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 11:41 am: Edit |
Humanitarian types should avoid Cambodia if you are easily troubled by people in bad circumstances. It is a nation of bad circumstances.
I don't find it implausible that a Khmer virgin would know what yum yum is. It's not exactly a difficult concept to grasp.
By Don Marco on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 11:49 am: Edit |
I can't fathom why anyone would want to pluck a virgin due to psycological and lack of talent issues with the provider, but to each their own...
By Orgngrndr on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 02:25 pm: Edit |
But don't forget the famous virgin scams.
A lot of asian countries know that certain cultures value virginity and the economic value associated with the "cherry" is oftern sold off to the highest bidder,agin and again, or to obtain maximum value out of an ordinary looking girl.
Enter the "professional virgin".
Yeah i bet there are lots of families out there that sell the same daughter's cherry over and over to the unsuspecting buyer.
I reminds me of the chant I used to here in the Wan Chie district of Hong Kong.
"hey nice Amelican boy... you want sister.. vely clean!! virgin.. schoolteacher. vely cheap."
I think there was one on every streetcorner. It didn't take long for me to figure out that there were more virgins in the red light district of Hong Kong than the catholic high school I went to.
OG
By jkarp on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 04:10 pm: Edit |
Blazer, I am a paid member of the club hombre and I have nothing to gain from sharing my experience with the board. I shared only what I thought was a unique situation and did not write anything on the other cities and countries I visited even though I feel like sharing a bad experience in PP on the same trip. But that is for another time.
Sterling, it was a sad situation to begin with and I felt like donating some money to the family and get the hell out of that place. That's why I left the room when I met the sisters. The taxi driver was the one who didn't let it go and somehow came up with arrangements. Would I do it again under these circumstances - absolutely NOT.
Don Marco, I have been mongering for a while and never ever tired or experienced a Virgin provider. It was a frustrating experience due to lack of communication and experience. So I learned from this experience and probably would not try it again.
By Dick Johnson on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 09:49 pm: Edit |
I've seen this type of scam many times. There'll be blood. The monger is happy. The girl and her pimp takes off with a lot of money.
-Dick(the asia expert)
I think jkarp is telling it as it is without bullshit.
Of course there are many virgins who knows what yum yum is.
a few months ago MVPs Blazers and Epi are sharing their stories of cherry girls in PI even for free or are 3 holers etc. I refrained from saying too much. Why ruin someone's fantasy? But if you think mamasan will bring you virgins for free, you are only a little bit more matured than believing in the tooth fairy. There are Japanese and other mongers who will pay a few hundred to over a thousand $ for a virgin. Or some are married off. Why should they give it to you for free?
By Khun_mor on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 11:32 pm: Edit |
I never understood the fascination with virgins. Why go through all that BS ?? Especially if you are paying for it !!! I guess it is a power trip for some guys-- not intended as a flame of Mr karp.You obviously are not about to repeat. I wonder what made you want it in the first place ??
Virgins are not a big thing in Thailand - at least in the farang nightlife scene. My ex wife showed me a Thai brothel once where Thai or Japanese dudes would pay to " Open a virgin ". Cost-- 20,000 baht and this was 10 years ago !! Some of these girls were 13-14 yo. Truly sad situation.
If I'm paying for service I want service- not a traumatic and painful experience . A well used experienced woman is a hell of a lot more fun than a young virgin who is scered and clueless about sex.
By jkarp on Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 01:15 pm: Edit |
Khun Mor, Now that I have more blood going to my brain cells, looking back I think it was just a sense of adventure. I was working very long hours in Singapore and going to Orchard Tower in Singapore was not that of a challenge since I stayed at the Marriott on Orchard Road. When in Cambodia one would think a Virgin must be really cheap since everything else is. Also you get so many offers from everyone, taxi drivers, hotel staff, restaurants, and so on. Since I was getting so many virgin offers in PP and the taxi driver in Siem Reap seemed a bit reluctant over this it really became a challenge. I am not really sure if it was a power trip or a sense of challenge/adventure, or both. But there will be no repeat in that kind of situation again.
By Blazers on Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 06:47 pm: Edit |
My virgin was not from a mamasan and why would she make up the fact she was a virgin if I didnt pay her. If she wasnt, she sure bled a lot. I am not making a judgment that this is bullshit based on the fact that he fucked a virgin but the way this was written without discussing anything else on the trip or without any trip reports prior makes me think that this might be bullshit NOT that it is bullshit.
By AndresB on Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 07:05 pm: Edit |
hi,
I am a newbie, but please provide more info on how to get to the capital of Cambodia from the USA. Cambodia sounds more interesting than Thailand.
Thank you in advance.
By AndresB on Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 07:12 pm: Edit |
Mr.Blazers,
Please where is the article about your virgin? I looked in your reports but gave up after a few hours.
Thank you
By Merlin on Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 08:55 pm: Edit |
Khun Mohr is right on with this one. I don't see the allure of spending gobs of money on what promises to be an ordeal for both parties. There are plenty of relatively inexperienced, tight girls all over Thailand and Cambodia without the baggage of inexperience, fear and reluctance that I assume these virgins have.
Also, be very careful with "virgins" in Cambo. Many touts have also approached me in Siem Reap about this also, but I'm not into that. There are numerous stories here of pervs being detaned by the police (rightfully so). The place is being monitored by a lot of NGO (non-government organizations) who turn these guys in to the police. Remember, the U.S. govt will not bail you out if you fun afoul of the underaged girl laws.
By Dick Johnson on Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 09:25 pm: Edit |
First of all I'd like to apologize if I sounded too blunt. I'm just saying it like it is.
Then I'd like to add that it is not worth the trouble. Like KM have said.
I'd also like to suggest that this issue be not discussed too much. The various anti-prostitution groups are as sensitive as the selling of virgins as human trafficking and child prostitution. Our hobby deals mainly with consenting women of legal age. Getting into too much details on the really touchy subject will only cause places to be shut down, if not the board.
I'm glad jkarps' report did not get into specifics about locations etc. We need to remind ourselves that other people and other countries may not be as open minded as horny mongers. I'm also glad that jkarp says he has no interest in getting into that kind of situation again.
Good ol' Blazers, you have contributed much to the board. But real virgins don't usually bleed that much. Sometimes dont bleed at all. Often a fake virgin can bleed a lot. So it is not worth it because it is hard to tell. I believe some girls in Angeles City, PI will tell you they are virgin to rope you in to see them repeatedly or even be their boyfriend.
"Usually the top two best looking girls in the bar are cherry girls. They will give head and they latch onto you quick. Most of the girls arrive in AC as cherry girls but you dont have to pay extra to pop them, only the Japanese tourists do that." -Blazers on Angeles City. That was just one of the instances you mentioned virgins for free. Was it a coincidence that not long after your trip report and talk of virgins the go go bars you mentioned Blu nile & Blu nile exec got a crackdown? Still I applaud your many contributions.
By I_am_sancho on Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 10:30 pm: Edit |
He specifically mentioned the woman involved was 19 years old and was hardly "trafficked" since she was employed as a waitress locally and there was never any mention of a mamasan or pimp being involved. You said "Our hobby deals mainly with consenting women of legal age". I think this situation matches that on all counts.
Where do you get the impression that virgin is synonymous with underaged? No one said that here. All the go go's in PI have cherry girls. I am sure no raid had anything to do with that. In fact, they are the only ones NOT breaking Philippine law.
As for this girl, it sounds like she needed/wanted money and was willing to sell her pussy to get it. That is known as prostitution. At least she got a big chunk of cash which is more than most women get in Cambodia. Hopefully after the cab drivers large cut she was left with a reasonable profit. Most prostitutes anywhere in the world have a sad story to tell if you ask them about there life. It is hardly unique to Cambodia.
Why the insinuations about underaged sex in the PI and Cambodia when none is mentioned and in fact the girl mentioned was 19.
By Blazers on Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 11:31 pm: Edit |
DJ, You are way off base here. I am not trying to trick the girl into giving me her virginity for free. I didn't even want to do it and really dont get turned on by it. My point has always been that paying to lose a chicks virginity is morally wrong in my book. I have never heard of an American paying for this in Angeles. It is always a guy from Far East Asia. They are very into that sort of stuff, especially Koreans. In my report, I wasnt bragging at all about her losing her virginity and she was crying and everything. If she wanted me to be her boyfriend then why did she not even talk to me after that. And contrary to what limited experience you have in AC, there are tons of real cherry girls in AC and I think they are a waste of time for the most part. It is true that many of them are not cherry and say they are cherry because they have Pinoy boyfriends who dont want them fucking foreigners. There are also other cherry girls who say they are cherry if they dont like you or dont want to barfine that night. The real cherry girls are obvious in their mannerisms but you really dont know. Most of these girls fall immediately in love with the guy that breaks their cherry if he is even remotely nice to them and I dont want that responsibility. Also to say that my reports had anything to do with bar closures is absurd and so are your comments that virgins and underaged girls are synonymous. Now, that's reality.
By Khun_mor on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 12:56 am: Edit |
Hey Blazers--
Don't blame the cherry girls for falling in love with the dude who breaks them. I fell instantly in love with the girl who broke my cherry and I would venture to guess so did most of y'all.
LOL
BTW There ARE many clinics in Thailand that specialize in reconstructing hymens and tightening up vaginas to allow the much used bargirl to have that " new car smell ".
By Dick Johnson on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 02:01 am: Edit |
Hey Blazers--
Don't shoot the messenger.
You popped her cherry and she didn't even want to talk to you after that? Man, you suck.
Seems like I shouldn't have apologized in my previous post at all.
Sancho and Blazers, it is ludicrous for you two to accuse me of having the impression that viginity is synonymous with underaged. I specifically said that the anti-prostitution groups are sensitive and sees all these different issues as things to get rid of. And I specifically said OUR hobby deal mainly with legal aged women. I was there to clarify the distinction. It is stupid of you to read my post and repeat the ideas and then said that I was confused when you were.
Even though virgins are not necessarily underaged, too much discussions of them for sale will anger the various human rights groups and the public, embarass the governments, send more mongers to look for them, drive the price up and encourage more fakes, and then there'll be crackdown.
Isn't it true that shortly after the report on virgins for free at Blue Nile exec and Blue Nile those exact bars got a crackdown and media attention and many girls left?
discus search : cherry and crackdown.
Blazers, I'm not off base but rather hit the bullseye. You popped a fake cherry you didnt know until I pointed out. You just said she sure bled alot if she wasn't a virgin. I've already said real virgins bleed little. I've popped my share in real life unlike some of you guys.
One of the discussion on cherry girls is here:
asia:philipines:advice/questions/commentary:cherry girls.
I don't have limited experience in AC, I have no experience whatsoever in AC! And little interest. But I've been around Asia enough and was lucky and smart enough to have a lot of inside scoop to know that it is absurd for go go bar girls to give you guys their real cherries for free. It's a great fantasy though LOL. Are you guys even aware that virginity is of high importance in Asia? They didnt go work in a go go to give it away to horny mongers for free LOL. If they are real the mamasan/pimp would make sure they dont lose it since they almost always get a cut. Your saying 'you can tell by their lack of experience in her mannerism' is just as ridiculous. I have seen a non virgin pro act virgin very convincingly. And when you are in the moment you will be caught up and excited, even if it's fake.
And as KM said there are reconstruction surgery, not only in Thailand but elsewhere. They are not cheap and not used all that often, luckily.
-Dick
By Blazers on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 08:32 am: Edit |
DJ, The existence of girls giving their cherry to guys for free is not the norm but it does exist, especially in AC. And since you have never been there you would not know the difference. I know that cherrys are prized and that the bars use it as a bargaining tool to make quick money and that many times the cherrys are fake but the real issue is that I could care less if she was cherry, it's really not my thing, as stated before. I busted plenty of cherries in high school, college and even law school so I do have experience in this area. The girl whom could have been cherry took off back to the province and was ashamed that she gave up her cherry so quickly and to a foreigner and for free. If all you have is your cherry and you give it for free to a foreigner, it is the ultimate loss of face. She had lengthy discussions with me about this issue and I was also chastized by the mamasan about this because she was pissed that she didnt get a cut. AC is unique in that a lot of girls arrive as virgins but you are right that it is almost always sold. THis girl, by the way, was a waitress who quit her job. Maybe she was, maybe she wasn't but you dont know either. OK, superstud, I guess you made up your mind that getting a cherry for free is impossible and that you KNOW for sure that my girl wasnt. You dont know and neither do I. You are right about one thing, bleeding and mannerisms dont necessarily mean the girl is a cherry but they are factors...noone knows but the girl. I think what hit your nerve is that I said that Asian men in Asia are the ones that always pay. To me this is morally wrong and idiotic. And if you read my response or my reports carefully you will know that I do not seek busting cherries for free. There are girls who give their cherries for free in the heat of the moment and I know many expats who live in the area and mamamsans and girls who have reiterated this to me. I have been there, you have not...it's not anything like the rest of Asia, trust me.
By jkarp on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:48 am: Edit |
I have been mongering for almost 25 years, mainly in Asia. My first mongering destination was Philippine back in the late 70s. Since then I have been there more times than I can remember. I usually try places, countries, where mongering is not main stream and everything is a bit under the cover. I travel alone, and I am very discrete in my hobby. I used to stay in AC and Manila for weeks at times. I never encountered a situation where I was offered a cherry for free, or even on a discount. Not to say Blazer did not have this opportunity but I am just sharing my experience. I am not much into writing trip reports or guides like Blazer does, writing is not my thing as I like to keep thing private and discrete. Anyway, it just makes me wonder what makes a cherry girl offer herself for free. I am a US citizen, white, average looks, financially secure. So why can't I get a discount on a cherry while other pop them for free? Just curious.
By Blazers on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 04:53 pm: Edit |
I have never been offered this before....only once. I would never pay for it as I think it emotionally crushes the girl for life. Its probably better that the Filipina sell her cherry than getting raped by her boyfriend and/or dad or uncle, which is all too common in the PI BUT its still morally wrong in my book and I have no morals. Jkarp, you and I are at different paths. I didnt start mongering till 1999 and I am only 35 years old. We are all coveted by the Filipinas and some just get caught up in the moment or are confused about their feelings and give up their cherry for free. It may or may not have happened to me but it has happened in AC to many people I know and I have talked to bar owners who say it occasionally happens and pisses the bar owners off because they usually split the cherry fee 50/50.
By Dick Johnson on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:44 pm: Edit |
Blazers dude, I'm just pointing out about fake virgin and being discreet on the board. I could care less what the Japanese or Koreans pay. To say that I was racially motivated is just ridiculous and a bit sad.