Welcome to the Third World. PP is the opposite of Siem Reap, most of the city is a rathole – the City reminds me of TJ or AC, but with thousands of mopeds, trikes, and bicycles. PP is a fly-by-the-seat-of-your pants type of city with a definite third world novelty and a lot of strange and unusual sights lurking around every corner. The City is safe in most areas so long as you use your common sense. This is the City where they had big riots against the Thais earlier this year and where major civil unrest was seen as recently as 1998.

One thing unusual about PP is the talk of NGO (non-government organization) types. Many appear to be French and religious based and they are active in trying to put a lid on the hobby activities, especially Svay Pak. rally told me to “avoid Svay Pak like the plague”. Despite their admonitions, I just had to check this place out after reading up on so many wonderful stories, details to be posted later.

But in all fairness, I can see that PP is slowly picking itself back up after a bitter civil war. Lots of construction and some areas are “less creepy” than others.

HAWAII HOTEL

Hawaii Hotel turned out to be a great hotel. The Hawaii hotel is a four story building which is a bit more upmarket than the other hotels around the area, it is strategically located near the Central Market and costs $20-$43 US$. The rooms are very clean and large, with a huge kingsize bed. It’s note the nicest hotel in town, comparable to a motel 6. The nicer hotels are near the Riverfront and there are several 5 star hotels in town. But for the Hobbying needs. It is ideal. The location is what makes it so great – across the street from Le Cyrcee Bar, ½ block walk to Mikado Bar, 2.5 blocks from Sharkeys, 10 minute walk to the river front, and about a 20 minute walk to Street 63 brothels. There is an internet station downstairs with 2 computers that guests can use for 30 minutes free each day, all with the latest software and a decent 100mb connection. The service was very good by all the staff. The restauarant downstairs serves some good Japanese and Khmer food.


SVAY PAK or KM 11

It appears that Svay Pak has seen better days, but I’m happy to report that it’s still alive and kicking. Other ex-pats (including the owner of California Café) tried to dissuade me from going there, his direct quote was to “avoid the place like the plague”. But I just had to check this place out and I’m glad I did. One caveat before I explain the setup, Svay Pak is not for everyone; there are hundreds of other venues that are more readily accessible with no stories of arrests or police harassment. You really have to have an adventuristic streak , especially these days. But my belief is that anything worthwhile has an emotional cost, and Svay Pak will tax your nerves; therefore, if you want your puntering sugar coated and handed to you on a silver platter, it’s best to avoid this place for now. I did hear a lot of talk of frequent police raids, surveillance by NGO types, recent arrest of punters, and creepy conditions. All of this is true, but not without a story behind each one. For instance, the idiots that got arrested were 2 guys shooting photos of underaged girls, the arrests of punters results from doing underaged girls. There will be many young touts pushing these underaged girls, but so long as you avoid this, then I don’t see a big problem. Also, I went every day around 4-6pm, apparently when the cops are off work, didn’t see one cop the whole time. Moreover, my intel directly from the Mamasans, my driver, and a couple of expats is that the mamasans will always get prior warning of an impending raid (bribes to the cops are the norm). In essence, I was told that the raids and arrests are a big show for the NGO’s to get them off the cops’ back. Given the present situation, I found myself mostly alone, or with one or two other punters each time that I went.

Svay Pak (or KM11) is actually a dirt alley, located in a hole in the wall small village/town. It’s dirty and primitive. It reminded me a little of Santos street in AC or the alley behind Adelitas bar in TJ. On one side of the alley is a row of houses with roll-away garage doors that all have locks on them, but these places are not “locked”, it seems to be a show for the NGOs to prove that this punter haven has been put out of commission. In fact, at least 8 houses were “open”, explained later. There is a little café/restaurant with plastic lawn chairs that all the punters hang out at directly across from house 16. Some great food and a good place to meet other punters. The punters mostly hangout and watch, every once in awhile someone would go up to a locked garage door and some kid would appear, unlock the door, let you in, and then re-lock the garage door. At first, it was bit unnerving to be locked inside a house, but you get used to it after awhile and I eventually figured out that all the houses have back entrances that are always open and readily available if you need to bolt. I actually had, what I thought, was another measure of protection, my cellphone (SIM cards work for GSM Thai phones). Being the newbie, a teenage tout volunteered to page me or call me with the “911”if he sees a raid materializing. Naively, I thought why not. During my first visit, in the middle of a nice “yum yum” (BJ), I get a series of 911 pages on my cell phone. Shit! Before I realized it, I had my shorts on and bolted out the backdoor, barefooted and shirtless, leaving a string of startled VN girls in the house. I rounded the corner of the house to see a bunch of little punks laughing their asses off! I forever became famous at Km11 for that incident. It wasn’t funny then, but I was later amazed at how quickly I could move my 220 lbs when it was necessary to do so. But other than that, I did not have one single legitimate scare during each of my visit to Svay Pak.

Once your locked inside the house, there are a bunch of small rooms, one of which has a sofa or a bench that you sit down on. Once you are seated, they parade a bunch of girls in front of you and you get to choose one or more of them for $5 each, plus tip $1-$3 depending on service. Svay Pak is one of the very few places where “yum yum” or BJs were offered and given in PP. Sex was standard missionary with a tight VN girl. All the girls were about 18-19 y.o. My favorite house was #16 and #10, which had about a dozen girls each. House 10 had prettier VN girls, about half of them very doable. The girls I had out of house 10 all had those perky, upright tights and the slender VN bodies that I’ve come to like.

Here are photos of a cutie VN girl from Km11

Photos: Km11 Cutie 1 Km11 Cutie 2

MASSAGES:

There are scores of massage places in PP, some of them having fishbowls. The charge is $10 to the house and a tip to the girl which can range from $15-$25 dollars. I went to several, but one of the bigger ones was Great World Massage with over 50 girls. The girls are color-coded, i.e. Viets in white, Khmers in red, and Chinese in Black color. This was interesting to see the segregation by races, the Chinese girls were the most expensive for some reason.

Here are photos of a cutie Khmer girl from Great World Massage

Photos: Great World Massage 1 Great World Massage 2

Wow!!!

Great report as always. Ahh, French NGOs - has a real snobby, elitest, despicable ring to it.

This is the first solid/detailed info out of KM11 in a long, long time. Is this now only a short-time option, or can the girls be taken out? Or is that asking for trouble (even if they are clearly 18 or over).

Looking forward to the rest!

WS

You don't know how bad I am missing Cambodia just about now. $5 each for all that you want. I am very envious right now. I didn't get to spend nearly enough time in Phom Phen but I liked it allot. I will be back soon though. BTW, I figure it is no secret how KM11 works these days but probably polite not to mention specific house numbers. I loved Phom Pehn BECAUSE it was such a third world rat hole and hated Siem Riep because it was such a sanitized tourist area. I saw the potential for trouble but I never felt unsafe in Phom Pehn. As you say. Common sense is called for but the bogy man is not lurking around every street corner like some make it sound. I wish I was there.

WS, this place is non-stop adrenaline pumping action. The Svay Pak girls do both short time ($5+tip) and take out for LT ($20). I don't see the need for a LT because you can have as many as you like there for $5 bucks! I guess LT might be appealing b/c you get away from the palpable paranoia in or around KM11.

Sancho, wish you were here. PP is truly the adventure I was looking for and I'll thoroughly scope out the place since I will be here 9 days. I think guys who have experienced Cambodia can truly appreciate the experience of having $5 girls with virtually unlimited supplies now. You're right about not mentioning House #s, I'll keep that in mind. I got a message that this site, as well as others, has a special Cambodia policy due to the NGOs; so some of my photos and texts must be posted carefully. I'm even thinking about bypassing Snookyville b/c PP has so many girls and action here, but we'll see.

I found this link about Cambodia. Check out the list of hotels under "Discount Cambodia Hotels"

http://goasia.about.com/b/a/049996.htm

Sinhookville has a very large scene and lots of very pretty girls but I think I had more fun in PP than with any of the Sinhookville girls. Still, Sinhookville is only a 3 hour and $3 bus ride away from PP so it is still worth a look if you have time. Sihnhookville is much more open in the way they do business too. None of this cloak and dagger stuff like in Phom Pen.

If you do go to Sinhookville I will highly recommend Holiday Palace Hotel. Very nice classy place centrally located near the ocean midway between the downtown/blue mountain action and the Chicken Village/ port action. $15 a night on weekdays and I think $18 a night on weekends for a very classy, even by western standards, place with an ocean view. All the motodops and cab drivers will try to guide you away from Holiday Palace because they do not pay commission to drivers. They will say it is much better at Occiteal beach. Occiteal beach is nice and for a beach it is the best for swimming. Beautiful clear water. But for mongering it is far from the action and more expensive as well.

AndresB, I just looked up the hotel I stayed in in Sinhookville on that web site. I notice the web site tacked an extra $10 on the room price above what it is at the front desk. http://www.cambodia-travel-hotels-tours.com/hotels/holiday-palace-resort/holiday-palace-resort-kampong-som-sihanoukville.shtml says $25 for a standard room but it was $15 at the front desk. I think it is good to know ahead of time which hotel you want to stay at in Cambodia because taxi drivers and motodops can't be trusted to give good advice due to the commissions they get but... I think all the hotels are never over about 25% occupancy so you never need a reservation and may get a better deal on arrival. At least in this case you would.

Wow Merlin, I dont know if you realize it but you are putting together a guide to the Cambodia scene and it is damn good. Along with the great info from Sancho, this board has just received a huge boost in an area almost devoid of information.....great fuckin' job.

Merlin has me topped by a long shot on Phom Phen. I was only there one day and only took girls from KM11 and 63 st plus groped a few in a number of Cambodian nightclubs. Next time (soon) I will spend much more time in Phom Phen. I'll try to get up the rest of my report next week since I'm off work. Merlin is making me dearly miss my wonderful week in Cambodia.

Blazers, thanks for the word of encouragement, I didn't think this report was being read too earnestly. Although I didn't intend to write up a guide, I will do what I can to lay out a framework as I found very little to none to help me in my PP planning. I did a lot of research on this trip, plus I'll be in PP for 9 days to really be able to check out every nook and cranny of the P4p scene here.

Honest to God I think very few people can understand Sancho and my excitement over Cambodia until they've actually made this trip.

(Message edited by merlin on December 26, 2003)

Now that you have seen Phom Phen, how do you compare Siem Riep for mongering, other than the spectacular Angkor Wat that everyone should see. I didn't get a chance to monger in Siem Riep so I can compare but I didn't care for Siem Riep at all compared to the rest of Cambodia. It was alright but way to touristy.

I still think Siem Reap is a very good hobbying destination precisely because a lot of guys don't pay attention to it or take the time to explore it. This makes for a vast hobbying scene that is unjaded and full of energy. I really didn't expect SR to be a decent hobbying destination, my motivation was solely to see Angkor Wat and found the hobbying to be good by accident. SR's big plus is that there are lots of amateur girls, plenty of venues to go mongering and no talk of police crackdowns and the like (see my earlier detailed report on Siem Reap). I hear Sihaunakville is similar (no crackdowns). For some reason, the NGO's, as hombre stated in an email, have made PP their fricken Holy Grail. They are the ones's pushing to close down the hobby by using a very broad brush to paint and tar everyone as a perv when in fact most of us are not. This is outrageous when they hand me flyers at the airport and near my hotel about the Crime and Jail for pervs. After 5 trips to Svay Pak, and more planned, I have no worries and the relaxed attitude of the residents there seems to confirm it. I'm actually getting to know a lot o the locals in PP, including the owner of the restaurant in Svay Pak. She laughed at me the first day when I asked her all these questions about raids and what not and she "galantee me" no problems. Afer spending 2-3 hours each day with the locals, I firmly believe they have it figured it all figured out and I tend to believe that its the NGO's that are pushing the police and the politicians, the cops have better things to do than to shut down such a lucrative source of bribes. Anyway, going back to Siem Reap, because it's touristy, I find it more comfortable being there than PP. But this is not to say that PP is not on my radar, it certainly will be for the great cameraderie and fun at Sharkeys and Martinis (no hangouts like these in SR), the incredible sense of adventure and the adrenaline rush of just walking outside and dodging mopeds to go to the market.

Just for fun, before I went to Svay Pak, I really couldn't visualize what the place looked like, so here's a pic of two of the houses as I was sitting at the cafe restaurant. Notice the locks magically opening for the punter.




Also, here is a photo of the Hawaii Hotel, deluxe room for $30.00. Make sure you get a room away from the busy street.

more pictures please...

Thanks in advance.

Merlin, if you're really into some grimy adventure in PP, try to see if Tuol Kok still has brothels operating. I've been to PP twice, and did Street 63, Svay Pak, and Tuol Kok. Out of the three, Tuol Kok was by far and away the winner in the "mongering at it's most basic" category (and the kind of place that Sancho would love). Had a really fine Viet lass there though.

I did Street 63 and Svay Pak. No one told me about Tuol Kok or I would have been there. "mongering at it's most basic" is my style. The houses in Chicken village in Sihnookville with the cardboard walls and holes in the floors were the closest I got to that experience. My motodop said there were only a limited number of "foreigner" venues in Phom Phen that in his opinion were overpriced and had girls with bad attitudes but there were dozens and dozens of "cambodian" venues that he said were much less expensive and in his opinion had better girls. Maybe he was referring to Tuol Kok and the like. I trust that guy was feeding me good advice but I never had time to follow up because of my limited schedule. I did see a number of midrange to upscale Cambodian night clubs with dozens of girls available but didn't have time to actually sample any. I will be back soon. I'm still waiting for my Vietnamese friend to get a timetable for my Vietnam trip but if that doesn't pan out in the short term I will be back in Cambodia in February. If the Vietnam trip does work out soon, then I still have my ticket for may.

(Message edited by I_am_Sancho on December 27, 2003)

I arrive in BKK on January 26 and leave to Manila on January 29 and am seriously considering an overnight in Koh Kong.

I think it is a very practical overnight trip from Bangkok. Take the AC bus from Eikimi to Trat and the mini bus from Trat to Hat Lek, and motodop to Koh Kong. Round trip from Bangkok to Koh Kong shouldnt cost more than 600 baht and take 4-5 hours each way. Koh Kong is very third world and the venue is nowhere near the size of Phom Phen or Sihnookville but it is a very practical way to sample Cambodia. I believe violent crime is uncommon there as well. If you want more detailed minutia for such a trip I can fill in any details that I have left out in my travel report. Feel free to ask.

(Message edited by I_am_Sancho on December 27, 2003)

Mura, I did try Toul Kok, its a smattering of a bunch of small huts/shacks in an industrial area off a very busy street. You're right, VERY 3rd world conditions, but a couple of very nice "finds" in the houses. Most of them were local Khmer girls. They had a bust there recently by the cops for serving up underage girls.

Merlin,

please comment on the hygiene of Cambodian girls.

thanks in advance

They always "shower" after and often both before and after. Most SE asian women are very clean in my opinion. Cambodian girls are no exception. It is normal for mothers to teach there daughters they must keep themselves clean "down there". Now there is some serious question as to how clean the water is they are showering with but the all used soap.

Sancho,
You ought to go into politics. You sugar coated that "shower" pretty good. (grin) But, yeah ... Asian women in general have it all over Latin women in the hygiene department.

Blazers,
I've considered going to Koh Kong for just a day or two myself. It is VERY doable. It's not practical to go for just a night from a financial stand point because by the time you pay the Thai exit fee, the Cambodian Visa fee, and transportation costs your $5 honeys end up costing more than a Pattaya romp. But what they heck! It takes up a whole page in your passport! That's got to be worth something.

When I came back from Cambodia into Thailand with my little family group that route last month we hired a car right at Hat Lek and paid 1500 Baht to Pattaya. I'm headed to a Hockey game this instant but when I get home tonight I'll post a couple of hotel links.

You should see how the Lao girls are here, about cleanliness "down there". They are quite fanatical about it. None of them here would even let me near them without showering again even if they showered in the morning and it was only noon. I've discussed it with them quite a bit and it is totally drilled into there heads at a very young age by there mothers that they must always wash down there and later there mothers repeatedly tell them the must always make sure they are clean for a man. At least among the Lao it is something mothers pass on to daughters and make a very big issue out of. Very good except it is annoying sometimes when I'm ready to go and Lao girl insist on running off to the shower even when she is perfectly clean already.

Thai exit fee??? Not me. The Thai Immigration guy was an asshole but there was no "exit fee". Cambodian Visa was the only big expense at 1,000 baht. From Bangkok figure 800 baht for round trip transport including motodops around Koh Kong. My hotel was livable for only $3. A nice one is $15. Short time is only $5 Long time is $15-$20. Pattaya it isn't, but it is a very cost effective way to sample Cambodia without making a big commitment.

Andres: Even in the most squalid conditions, cleanliness is not a problem as every girl here did wash up before and after, and I never came across a stinky pussy, which totally disgusts me. These girls are better at this than in Latin America.

Blazers: Notwithstanding the practicality of going to Koh Kung from the visa fee issue, I would still consider going to Cambodia just to experience something totally new. I'll tell you that the border guys are the most corrupt and resourceful I've come across. Here's one they tried to pull on me at the PP airport re: Visa: I ran out of blank pages and this idiot said that Cambodia required a blank page for the visa (it literally covers one damn page). They harassed me and after exchanging jibes w/ several supervisors, they threatened to put me on the next plane unless I pay a penalty of $20.00. I sat it out and refused to pay, and after 1 hour, they reduced the fee to $5. I figured, $5 wasn't bad considering I was wasting valuable mongering time. Knowing you travel often, you probably have very few blank pages as well.

Merlin, I was running out of pages on the last trip as well. The US embassy in Bangkok inserted a new batch in about 15 minutes for me, no hassle. Pretty cool how easy it was.

Sancho, my first visit to Cambodia was before I joined Club Hombre, and that's when I hit Tuol Kok. On the most recent trip, which I filed a report on, I only mongered at Svay Pak, as Street 63 at the time was all shut. I was bummed, because I had some GREAT girls from Street 63 on the first trip. I'm delighted to hear from you and Merlin that it's open again.

Street 63 was probably my second best experience of the trip. I only took one girl from there but she was very beautiful and had the sweetest and most accommodating attitude.

Mura, I guess the blank page thing was for real because the border guys certainly created a real ruckus for me at the airport. I'll try to stop by the embassy in PP when I get back. Thanks for the idea. Another thing to mention, I offered to take my old Cambodia visa sticker off to make room for the new visa sticker, but the border guys had a cow, said something about it being "illegal". Again, it's confusing, but I guess these stickers need to be in place for some reason.

Also, like Sancho, street 63 is a tried and true venue for me that was open in the afternoon. Plus, it was walking distance from my hotel so I went there practically every day. One thing is that these guys will insist on $10 at first, but so long as you don't budge, $5 is no problem.

I already peeled my Cambodia visa sticker off once I left the country. I assumed the entry/exit stamp was the permanent record and the Visa sticker was temporary because it sure peeled off easy. Maybe I better clarify that issue before I go back in case I need to break out my glue stick. I suspect they just wanted some money from you though.

I thought that you weren't supposed to alter your passport in any way, shape, or form. Seems to me messing with it would be inviting closer scrutiny from nosey Immigration officials at the very least. Those Cambo Visa sure do stand out, though. I've had Customs guys say, "You sure seem to visit Cambodia a lot Mr. McDijj. What's the attraction?" Which is why we all go to Angkor Waht at least once. That way when Petty officials or nosey sisters start asking questions we can rattle off about history and culture. (-:

Merlin, when you hit the embassy, look for the "American Citizen Services" section. That seems to be the universal name at all embassies for the department that handles our routine needs.

Hey, thanks again Mura. I drove by the US embassy today in PP and it looks like Fort Knox w/ all the beefed up security and armed guards everywhere. The days of walk up, 15 minute service seem gone. The embassy guy made me make an appt now (1 day later), and I had to read off my name and passport number so he could check me out before the "meeting" appointment. Wow, just to get refill blank pages. Geesh, what is this world coming to....

I think McDijj is right, I recall reading somewhere that it's legal to alter your passport in any way, and you certainly don't want to be doing it with the heightened alert at the U.S. ports of entry. I think the khmers deliberately use these unnecessarily big stickers to raise revenue for their coffers. I haven't seen such wasteful use of passport pages before, Brazil has a big VISA stamp but its good for 5 years.

Like Mcdijj I also had a nosy border guard a month ago while I was coming back in throug L.A., turns out he wanted an explanation on the frequent trips to Phillipines, Cambodia and LOS. He was more interested in the one, brief trip to the Philippines for some reason.

Merlin, I had the same experience as you last time. They made a big rukus at the airport when my passport was full. "You go back airplane huh!" So I paid $40($20 above the norm) to have the new visa cover some old ones and everything was cool.

I went to the US embassy to get refills. The security was tight but I was happy when I got the extra pages the next day(I went there at the end of the day). Other countries with full page visas are China and Taiwan. In Taiwan my passport was expiring within the next 6 months and I had to pay 4000NT(us$120) just because of that. One is not supposed to enter China with a passport expiring within 6 mths too.

Hey guys, I confirmed w/ the U.S. embassy staff today that the airport guys can legitimately request a blank page and that covering up is technically "altering" a passport that could get you all in trouble. Live and learn.

DJ, I really thought what they were doing to me was a scam so I waited it out and paid $5 bucks to cover a "cancelled" Brazil Visa. They made me sign an affidavit and they copied the cancelled brazil visa before covering it up w/ the new Cambo sticker. Funny, how even legitimate legal requirements of not altering passports can be skirted for the right price, my ignorance/stubborness saved me $15 bucks it looks like.

So I suppose I should get my glue stick out and put the expired Cambodian visa back in my passport. It peeled off so easy I assumed it was not supposed to be permanent, like the way they remove the exit forms they staple in. Probably just cheap glue they use on there stickers.

Sancho,
That's not exactly glue they use on the Cambo Visa. They just dip them in that "rain barrel" you so much like to shower in. LOL Don't try to put it back in your passport by licking the back!

I was going like $20 more just to stick that visa over my old ones? How about $5? They say 'you go back on airplane, $20+20' LOL. Merlin you bargained even the Cambodian officials lol. I did bargain on a motorcycle ticket though.

-DJ

(Message edited by dickjohnson on December 30, 2003)

DJ, as you may well know, you've got to be a tightwad here, as everyone and their sister is out for a cut of something. The wheeling and dealing is kind of fun, at least for me. I just spent 20 minutes haggling with a guy at the Russian mkt for some t-shirts-- for something that amounts to about 25 cents. I still think the Thais and VN are harder nosed negotiators than the Khmers. But I'm having fun now that I know what to pay for things and that everything is negotiable--moto rides to LT girls.

I didn't do to well bargaining with the Cambodians at first. I got the hang of it a little better by the third day. I was thrown off because they will not come off of there highball price at all. I'd raise my lowball offer a little and they wouldn't budge of there price one bit. The old approach of they come out with a highball price and I come out with a lowball price and we meet in the middle somewhere just didn't work for me because they would not budge off the high price. I finally started doing OK by just coming out with a take it or leave it offer right off the bat and not really bargaining at all. "Heres what I'm offering, if it's not enough I'll go nextdoor." No negotiation. I think for the second half of my trip I was doing OK but it's still an area I needed to improve and I will do much better next time. I also came up with the general idea that if you don't know what the correct price should be, it was usually 50% of what they would ask at first. If the girl should be $5 they ask $10, if overnight should be $15, they ask $30.

Sancho, you're right about the 50% markup, but I tend to lowball them 25% of what they are asking. For instance, I moto guys will always ask $1, but all the expats told me that 1K -1500 riel is enough for all of them. Also, without exception, re: girls, they all ask for $10 if you are with a driver/moto guy. My driver refused to take commissions, but the mamasan would ask him in Khmer if he was seeking a commission; the mamasans were surprised that Ben refused the commission. The driver, Ben Wee, got a big tip from me later, but I emphasized to him that I would be kicking a lot of punters his way. If you pretend that you are fed up and start walking out, the mamasans or motodops always came down. Fierce competition these days. From my hotel (Hawaii), I would walk to Street 63 and always got $5, also, I figured out where to get dropped off if taking a moto so that I can walk the rest of the way to the Brothel of my choice.

I was well aware of the motodops taking commissions even though it was never obvious except for the one in Koh Kong who politely ask me if I would purchase my speed boat ferry ticket through him rather than the ticket office since the price was the same but he would get a commission on the sale. I appreciated his honesty on that one. With the others I kind of forced the issue by threatening to walk out if I didn't get my price. No one ever let me walk away. I agree the approach of being dropped off in the area and walking to you destination was best and I did that in Chicken Village by having the guy drop me at Bibas as an operating base and pick me up later but I also have a tendency to stay out until 2:00am in places like Chicken Village and street 63 so I kind of had to keep them close by just on a safety issue. Better a guy who will cheat me out of a dollar but keep me from getting killed. The guy in Siem Riep was the worse but I went out of my way to make sure he did not get one damn cent of commission on me even though he tried about every 5 minutes all day long.