Day Four – Look Ma, no-hands
Had breakfast buffet again at the hotel. I was getting comfortable with the help here now. I asked one of the waitresses what she was doing tonite and she told me sleep. Then I asked about tomorrow and she said she had the day off and was going to sleep some more. Oh well…

Decided to go to Pattaya for the day. I think the cheapest way is by bus. Props to everyone for all the tips! The main bus terminal is by the Ekkamai station. So I hop on the Skytrain east toward On Nut station. Ekkamai station is 4 stops from Nana. When I get off the train, I go to Exit 2. This is the closest exit to the Eastern Bus Station. I go to the line that reads Pattaya and buy a bus ticket for 90B. I had a little trouble figuring out where to go after getting the ticket but asked around and found out I had to go in the back, I think it was line 1. Not sure how often the buses actually leave but they seem to be going all the time. Mine was leaving 10 after the hour. The bus was air conditioned and it was assigned seating. The tip about the seat number being on the back of the seat helped. There were so many locals that couldn’t figure that out. The only problem is the back 5 seats of the bus which don’t appear to be numbered. It took almost exactly 2 hours. I was sitting next to a cutie. She was talking to some dude in English so I introduced myself.

Had to use the can when I arrived. It cost 3B to enter the bathroom and another 5B for toilet paper/towel. I guess anything for a baht.

I caught one of the blue stakebed trucks into the city. I got the impression that locals get preferential treatment. They stuck me in one truck and wouldn’t leave until it was full but I noticed that they kept moving the locals from my truck to another and taking off then putting only farangs in my truck.

Wasn’t sure where I was going but wanted to go to Sabai Dee. Thought is was like on Second and Central but when the truck dropped me off and I asked where it was he pointed off in another direction.

So I just walked around a bit. Went by a bunch of the outdoor bars but didn’t see much to speak of. Maybe the 4p-6p crowd isn’t much. When is prime time? Anyway, seems like the only other means of transportation is catching a taxi motorcycle. I flag one down and ask her to take me to Sabai Dee.

Not much there but there is one that has a cute face, Not, about 5’, 115#, from northern Thailand, Chiang Mai. Did the typical wash in tub, but she submerged me and washed my hair too. Then onto the air mattress and she gave me the best slip and slide yet. Did CBJ, CG, mish, but again no DFK. Charged 1500B plus 1.6% credit card fee. 2 drinks were 70B.

Went a few doors down the street to another soapie, Sabai Land. Had about 20 girls but ugh, and were charging 1300B. Across the street was another one, Sabai Room, they had about 30 girls and charging 1500B but again ugh. Across from Sabai Room was another place but they were just giving ‘traditional’ massages.

Last bus back to Bangkok was 9pm so I still had almost 2 hours to go. Asked a motorcycle taxi if there were any other soapies but either there weren’t any or he didn’t understand so back to the bus station.

After I got on the bus, I thought I should have eaten something first. Well first thing back at Bangkok, that’s what I was going to do. Again it took almost exactly 2 hours and from the Eastern Bus Terminal I backtracked to the Ekkamai station. Went up the stairway of Exit 2 and took the Sukhumvit line heading toward Mo Chit. 5 stations later, I got off at Ploenchit station. I went out thru Exit 6 and head back toward Nana. I walked under an overpass and just on the other side, same side of the street is the no-hands restaurant, Privilege. Apparently only open for dinner, no lunch, hence they were closed that previous visit of mine.

Walked in the sliding glass doors as 2 of the doorgirls followed me upstairs. To the left was a room, like a mini-soapie fishbowl, but no glass, that had about 20 girls, not 80 as they advertised. Only saw one that was decent, actually she had a pretty killer bod. And it happened to be one of the doorgirls that followed me upstairs.

She escorts me to a room, kinda like a private karaoke room. About 15’ x 15’, a semi-circular table, with a cutout to let your legs dangle, and a mattress pad all the way around the rest of the floor. My girl’s name was Why, about 5’5”, 99#, just the way I like ‘em, just shorter than me and under 100#.

The way this works is you order either a thai meal or an American meal. It’s like a 6-course meal and costs 1500B plus drinks (350B for 3 drinks). I ordered the thai meal. We just sat and talked and when the food came she spooned it into my mouth. She held my drink up to my mouth as I sucked on the straw. Alternating back and forth. The food was actually pretty good. In the meantime, I guess your hands can wander during the meal but I was a good boy and waited to the end. After eating, it was a little uncomfortable because I didn’t know exactly what was supposed to happen. She asked me to just come out and ask so I asked if she wanted to come back to my hotel. She said she had school the next morning and would prefer just doing it in this room. Whatever. I asked how much and she said whatever I thought, but then said how about 2000B. She asked if I had a raincoat and I asked if she liked chocolate or mint. She said she liked strawberry but settled for chocolate. She undressed me then undressed herself. On went the chocolate cover. She was about to mount cowgirl when I asked her if it really tasted like chocolate. She proceeded to give me a decent CBJ, then went mish, then doggie where I could smell a bit of bacterial infection. She was pretty tight but mechanical and then left the business student to her studies.

Decided to do a little night sightseeing. Hopped on the Skytrain again. Took the Sukhumvit line toward Mo Chit and got off at the Victory Monument station. Unfortunately the Victory Monument was not lit up at night. Oh well, let’s backtrack one station to Praya Thai. Went out Exit 4 which put me at the corner of Phaya Thai Rd. and Sri Ayuthaya Rd. If you continue walking the way the stairs lead you, you’ll be on Sri Ayuthaya Rd. Stay on the right side for about a ½ mile and CP1 aka Jay-One will be on the right-hand side. At first I thought I passed it cause I came up the to a pedestrian crossover bridge which I thought was the one to take to CP2 which I knew was after CP1. But there is a pedestrian crossover before reaching CP1. CP1 had about 5 normal girls going for 2000B and about 15 superstars going for 2500B. None looked any good so went to CP2. Walked out of CP1, turned right, about 100 yards later walked up the (2nd)pedestrian crosswalk, and about a ¼ mile down was CP2 on the left. Was about to enter when they told me it had just closed. Ran back to the Skytrain before the last midnite run.

Then back to Nana. Took the Sukhumvit line heading toward On Nut, got off at the Nana station but instead of going out Exit 3 for my hotel off Soi 11, I went out Exit 2 which was on the other side of the street and closer to Nana Plaza. Started up at the 3rd floor again. There was a bar that had a bullride don’t remember the name, Hollywood Strip, Erotica, Carnival, skipped Cascade because of the katoeys. None of these bars had anyone to speak of. Went down to the 2nd floor, skipped Rainbow3 since the girl I hooked with before might try to claim me again. Went into I think it was Angel Witch, didn’t see anything. When I walked out the hostess tried to get me to hook. The hostess had a pretty face and not as skinny as I normally like but not too fat. I agreed to the barfine of 600B and fee of 1500B. The hostess’s name was Say.

We caught a taxi back to my hotel. The President Solitaire checks in the girls and takes their IDs. We went upstairs to my room. Say was impressed with the room and asked where the bathroom was. We went into the bathroom and took a shower.

Ok let me go thru a checklist, one that I went thru with all the ones I hooked with. At the bar, I stroked the hostess’s cheek then went down the neck and checked for lack of an adam’s apple, check/passed. Second and third things I check is the size of their hands and feet. Say’s hands are small, the fingers a little chubby but I’ve seen girls with chubbier fingers, check/passed. Say’s feet seem proportionate to the rest of the body, check/passed. Fourth thing I checked at the bar before barfining the hostess was to stroke the hip then slide my hand to the crotch for lack of a dick, check/passed.

Alright back to my hotel room, in the shower, I notice the hostess has implants. Ohhh, not a good sign; thai women don’t typically get implants. Then I start thinking, they tend to overdo the feminine traits like talking and this one talks in one of those baby voices, ohhh, not a good sign either. Now I’m really starting to wonder. So I just go for it, while in the shower, I slide my hand into Say’s crotch and feel for a hole, ahh, what do you know, my finger has found a hole. So now I feel a bit at ease.

We dry off and head to the bed. I normally like to keep all the lights on. Say said it was too light. I said I like the lights on. But went ahead and turned off the light that lit the painting on the wall. Say said it was still too light, I look at the ceiling and to see what other light to turn off strategically. I kill another light. Say says it’s still too light. Well, if I turned any more lights off, there would be no light, ohhh, another bad sign. At this point I think it’s time to get out. I go back to the bathroom and get dressed. I come back to the bed and ask Say to leave. Say agrees no problem. Say leaves and then I follow shortly thereafter.

Say was just leaving and I ask the doorman, man or woman? The doorman says man. He shows me the logbook, points to the name, and says that is a man’s name. I asked him why didn’t he tell me before I went upstairs. I don’t think he really understood me, he just laughed. I told him, waiiit, I didn’t do it with it. I was aware of ladyboys, as he called it, that still had their dicks but wasn’t aware there were ladyboys that were ex post facto. Man, I was really shaken up now. Sh*t, now if they pass the adam’s apple, hands, feet, crotch, voice tests, I could still be mistaken because they might have had the surgery like this one. Heck if this one had a name like Pat, who knows! Bad enough, I could look at an ID and not know the difference between a man's name and a woman's name in thai

Great Story !! Welcome to Thailand !!

You have just met one of the stealthy kotoeys. I have had several near misses and who knows I may have been actaully pleasured by one or two post ops without knowing it . They can be friggin beautiful.

Khun mor: so post-ops are pretty common? and no matter where you go? Bar, soapie, ...

Soapies do not hire Katoeys- pre or post op , at least that I am aware of. Unfortunately any bar, either go go or beer bar ,may have any number of katoeys among the staff. Some are servers or hosts . Some actually dance in bikinis !! I personally think it is ridiculous to mix in katoeys with the girls and not tell the customers about it. This is Thailand. When I ask one of my mamasan friends why they do this-- they see no problem. They say many men come just for the katoeys. Especially Euros get some kind of thrill with the lady boys. Japanese also seem drawn to them frequently.
Do not stop going to the bars - just be very careful-- you seem to have applied all the tests and still were fooled. It happens believe me. Some of these " girls " get their Adam's apple removed and are on megadose estrogen making them more feminine. The impossible to tell katoeys are rare fortunately. There are usually several remaining male traits.You pointed out yourself a few hints you did not pick up on until too late. If physical appearance is not helpful- watch their behavior. They exagerate feminine traits - walking is a dead giveaway,high exagerated voice as you pointed out. Most are frequently flipping their long hair back with their hand and a flip of their head. Very few katoeys with short hai

Most important--use caution but relax and enjoy. The chances of this happening again are slim!! Certainly worse things could happen than to be with someone you thought to be beautiful enough to barfine. Remember a post op katoey especially does not think he is a man. She definitely thinks she is a woman and acts as such . If in doubt or your radar is acting up ask the mamasan or another girl -- they will tell you the truth about your choice --------- most of the time!!!

Damn I'm babbling on tonight.

If you want to be really confused, go to King's Castle 3 in Patpong. I would venture to guess that there are very few pooying at Nana that can hold a candle to the top 10 "girls" at this place. This bar only staffs post-ops. There are no obvious Katoeys at this place but at least you know that they are katoeys before you go in. Anyone who wants to really understand how hard it is to figure out the top tier ladyboys....should go here. It will scramble your brain....KM, I am talking 10 times better looking than that ladyboy in Mandarin. Anyone attracted to feminine looking post-op ladyboys is definately hetero but guys that seek out pre-op are bi at a minimum....Imagine pulling down their drawers and a dick flies out...yuck.

Khur mor: thanks for the add'l tips. Before barfining 'it', it crossed my mind to ask the mamasan. When you barfine someone, do you normally give the barfine directly to the mamasan or will you give it to the girl to pay the bar? Thought that might have been a red flag also since I gave the barfine to 'it' rather than to the mamasan.

No set rule for the barfine. You can give it to the girl ( hopefully ) or mamasan. Some places just put a bill slip for the barfine amount in your stack of bills. Some ask for the cash at the time you barfine. In that case I usually give it to the girl not the mamasan ,but it does not matter as long as it gets her out of the bar !!