Schieferhof is in the middle of nowhere. It is somewhere south of Bonn, and really tough to find. Here is a link to the homepage
http://www.bernds-sauna-club.de/

It is the first FKK, being around for over 20 years. It is in the middle of a residential neighbourhood. It is just a normal one family stand alone house. The living room on the ground floor is one meeting room, and downstairs is a typical basement bar where another bunch of girls hang out. There are always 16 girls there, and they are all 100% naked (although many of them should have put clothes on). the club is famous for its very high service level (BBBJto CIM is included in the standard service, as well as DFK from all girls). I had heard about it for years, but had yet to visit it.

Went there for the first time today. From the guest side it is like a retirement community or senior citizen's home. I was at least half the age of the next youngest customer, and I was there for 4 hours.

The girls also tend to be on the older and significantly more chubby side than at many other clubs.

They have changed the price structure.

Now it is 70€ entrance instead of 40€

But the room has gotten cheaper going from 80€ down to 50€.

They changed the way they do business a little. Now the girls keep 100% of the room fee, and the club makes its money through the entrance fee of the men and women.

What is included in a room has not changed. Significant couch action including kissing and a long BBBJ on the couch before the room is standard, and they don't clock watch. anything under 45 minutes counts as one room.

Had a not so great session with a Turkish girl named Gulsch. We didn't click, and since the only slim girls there were in rooms I thought I would start with a BBBJ to CIM with this girl, because her face was pretty good. I did not enjoy going down on her, weird aroma. I finished off quickly and wanted to get on to another chick.

There was a dutch girl named Mara, who is 21 with short dark hair and a really muscular body. She looks like a speed skater or something like that. She is really tight, and maybe a little muscular, but she still has very natural looking breasts. Not really something I normally like, but in this sea of cellulite she stood out as the girl with firm thighs.

Nice kissing and BBBJ on the couch. We headed for a room, but all were taken, so we kissed a lot, and well in the hall. Then she dropped to her knees and gave me good BJ in the hall. I pulled her up, kissed some more and went down on her in the hall, to the enjoyment of more than one of the octogenerians wo frequent the club. I got up and we kissed some more (all in all we spent about 10 minutes waiting for a room), she dropped to her knees again and took my dick in her mouth. Then the room was available.

I went down on her as I usually do, which she semed to enjoy (can the girls fake those deep body shivers???). Then she gave a decent and long BBBJ while I was fingering the hell out of her snatch. I thought of CIM, but decided I wanted to knead that rock hard ass. Bent her over Doggy style and rode her home. Got a good look at her supremely clean a-hole. After finishing in doggy she arched backwards to give me a couple more kisses. She had a bit of a boyish look, but it was an interesting session.

I was going to go homw, but I saw a girl downstairs that looked to be my type, but I was unsure because of the lack of couchaction on the old hairy guy who went to the room with her before.

Her name is Vanessa, 21 German from the east living in Cologne. Long Dark Hair and really pronounced eyebrows (like Mia Kirchner or that woman from Just Shoot Me). It was her third day on the job. First day she earned nothing, was just nervous and watched, second day managed to net 200, and seemed on par to beat that today (I was her 3rd). Talking to her was nice, interesting enough girls and genuinely fresh to the seen. She seems to come to terms with the job, and seeing as she has already had 2 kids, she has seen the reality of the world and knows what she is getting herself into.

I was her youngest customer by far, she told me, and in this place most 50 year olds could still claim that title. In contrast to the program I had witnessed before she DFK'd very passionately on the sofa, fondled me, but did not BBBJ on the couch. I wasn't going to push the issue, and we went to the room. I was still expecting a so-so session.

This girl loved getting eaten out, and I loved eating her out. She came 3 times, and told me it has been over a year since someone has made her come orally. (I practice hard, and earn all the titles I win)

She returned the favour with a monumental BJ. no teeth, nice rhythm, eye contact every now and again, good licking and sucking interspersed. All that was missing was ball licking or Phrenulem stroking for it to have been phenomenal.

I asked her if she wanted me to finish in her mouth or with sex and she said;"It is up to you, you are the king!" Excellent attitude!

I said, "you are doing so good, lets go for the finish this way."

After about another 5 minutes I figures I wasn't going to finish this way, so I asked her to get a condom (which I had to put on because of her long fingernails), and bend over. She has a world class ass and I liked trying to puch my pelvis through it.

Then I flipped her over and pumped her missionary while exchanging deep kisses. After a couple of hard thrusts, when I felt I was almost ready to come I pulled out, yanked the condom off and stuck my dick in her face. she eagerly sucked and sucked, trying to get me to come. I still couldn't. I wanked myself off into her mouth, which she accepted like a top class porn star. I did not see her move to spit it out, but then I went in for a snowball kiss. I figure I took some of it, but she swallowed a good portion. Excellent session and excellent value for 50€.

I had two very good sesssions here, but I probably won't be back. I did not like the crowd there, and with the exception of these two girls there was nothing ther under 20 pounds overweight.

Peter

Peter:

Interesting report. I have never heard of FKK Schieferhof before, but I know someone who talked about having been to an all-nude brothel in Germany as early as ~ 1980. From what you are describing, maybe the same customers are still there . Sounds like a third-class FKK Babylon.

Peter, as someone who now qualifies for senior discounts I got a kick out of your report. It's nice to know that there are places around where an old(er) person can feel welcome. It sounds like you had a good time even if the women may not have been all 10s. 120 Euros for cover and sex is what, around $150 US or so. That's high by some 3rd world standards but it is still far less that what you would pay in the US and probably get a lot less attention and selection.

Sabio,

It still is considered the premier FKK, and is rated way ahead of Babylon. Babylon has no fans anywhere on the german boards, the fact that they give free entry after 8pm and that last time I called only 3 girls were working at 9pm don't make Babylon seem like a paradise.

Shieferhof (Also known as "HOF") on the german boards is still considered the benchmark standard. The main problem I see is that the girls service is so good they keep regular customers for a long time and are able to keep earning well for many more years than in other clubs. There is a russian named Katrin who has been working in this club for more than 8 years. I am sure that even 4 years ago she would have been a 10+, but now she would be a solid 7 in my book. This club is a good place for the girls to work, so the fluctuation is not too high. The customers are also well known there, most coming at least once a week, and many never even wanting to visit another club.

I would still say the club is better than Babylon. Babylon has the same senior citizin crowd, but the girls are all 18-22, which makes me a little more sick to my stomach. I also know that the girls there do a lot of coke.

Peter:

Very good characterization of HOF that you have done. I got a real sense of the place.

3 girls at 9:00 PM in Babylon? Ouch. I hope this was not Friday or Saturday. Coke is really bad news, since addictions blur the line between free and forced work.

Although I have a long way to go to be a senior citizen, I don't mind having senior crowds around. Of course that's a matter of taste.

The part I respectfully disagree with is about the older man / younger woman combination being sickening. The only criterion for me is that the woman is competent to consent. It makes no difference who she consents to.

Peter,

Excellent info as usual, thanks, will file it in case I get out that way

Very informative report. If HOF is the benchmark, it must be because of the service. The way you described it, the service was fantastic.

This is a "service" industry, something that many providers tend to forget. Sounds like service is what these girls are all about.

Is HOF better than Babylon in your eyes only because you don't like seeing May/December "romances"? Or is the service that much better at HOF?

Great reporting as always.

WS

What is the difference between a great club and a good club?

The Eternal question.

It is a coming together of a lot of factors, management, crowd, talent, atmosphere, food, cosmic constellations etc.

Clubs have their up and down times, that is why it is important to check out a couple of clubs every once in a while.

At the moment the two clubs that are in high cycles are Planet Happy Garden and World. Two years ago Fantasyland was considered top of the pack, but it took less than 3 months for the place to go completely down the drain.

It is like a sports team, you can put a team like Real Madrid together with all the world's superstars and they only come in 4th in the spanish league against a bunch of team with only half the talent.

It is the mix that has to work.

The owner has to be nice to the girls, providing a good atmosphere, without having the girls run the place. There have to be clear house rules.

The manager has foster a customer friendly attitude.

The girls have to get along with each other (perhaps the most difficult aspect), not get too competitive, without becoming apathetic to whether they have a good or bad day.

The facilities have to be clean and interesting, without being a distraction so the men don't book sessions.

There needs to be a good mix of women.

There need to be enough women so the men are happy, and not so many that they cannot earn any money (or they will be unhappy)

The Customers have to get along with each other, be looking for the same thing. Having half the guests want to lounge around and relax, while the other half is looking for a loud and rowdy party is not copacetic.

For me Wilderath is on a long good run, but I noticed a bit of a lull about 2 months ago. I was worried it would fall down. Many long term PHG people are not happy about a lot of things at the moment. Perhaps the arrival of Goldentime to up the competition is what was necessary now.

Babylon has been on a low since they changed the prices, they have their regulars, but the club hoppers have avoided the place.

Hof is down on the curve at the moment too, maybe they didn'T have enough new blood in the team.

world has been up and down since the start.

Atlantis started horribly, took 2 years to become great, and took 2 years to fall until it closed. I will be honest, something as great as Atlantis in November 2001 will probably never be reached again. It was the best parts of all clubs combined. Then in crept changes in the standard service expected, less couch action, smaller rooms, less attractive girls, etc.

Fantasyland in it's second 6 months were among the best ever. Once they weren't allow to have a warm buffet anymore, the place fell rapidly.

Herne Horsthausen was the best club of the 90's, it is closed now, and it's replacement is very hit and miss.

I used to like PHG, now it is full with dutch and German guys who would rather talk and drink for 4 hours and forget to go to a room every second visit.

I currently like Wildenrath, and it has been my longest relationship with a club at 1.5 years, but I am sure that will change at some point.

If the little russian Lisa becomes a regular at Goldentime I might end up there sometime. I have had some great sessions with 3 girls at Tropicana in downtown Düsseldorf.

Clubs are not innately and forever good or bad, they develop, positively and negatively.

Babylon is past it's prime, but so is Hof. But if those were the only 2 clubs and both were equidistant from me I would go to Hof 3 times out of 5.

My typical way too long answer to a simple question.

While I am talking about my favourite club, wildenrath. I want to menion they have redone their homepage, and have such a sexy collage on the front page, I just have to share it with all of you.

I have put the names of the girls I can recognize´on it.

Thanks for the continued reports on the FKK scene. I have just one experience in an FKK in Nuremberg. It wasn't bad... just expensive. While I'm not the best person to critique FKK's I still say they can't compare to the action in South America.

Good action is tough to come by in Europe so I guess the FKK's are a good value. Thanks again for the reports. You probably know the FKK scene better than anyone I've ever met.

At the same time I wouldn't even compare quality
of life and safety in Germany and South America.
And I had good time in thermas and FKK clubs for
comparable price.

I was in this club (Schieferhof) last Friday. They were having a "Beach Party" theme and all the girls were in Bikinis with lais around their neck. They had a barbecue going in the back yard, but still had the excellent buffet set up in the food room.

I went with 3 girls. Started with Svenja (German), who has been there for almost 3 years now. I always thought she was about 28 or so, but she is only 22. She doesn't look that much older, but somehow I always thought she was older. Her service is excellent. Extensive and excellent Deep French Kissing followed by a nice BJ and ball licking on the couch. Then we headed to the room, where it continued. This girl really kisses well. The only complaint I had was that she had just eaten some sort of potato chips, because there was a hint of that on her breath. She audibly and physically enjoyed me going down on her, and reciprocated with an excellent Blowjob. We finished in Doggy. She has a thin upper body, a bit of a wider thin butt, I used to think it was a bit flabby, but when I was lined up behind it doggy, it was quite nice.

Then I went with a Tunisian hotty named Ina. She has exactly the sort of body I like, tight and tone and slim. Nice breasts, good looking face. She kissed well (but not as insanely well as Svenja) and really enjoyed me going down on her. When I started to rim her, she gladly placed her heels behind her ears to give me full access. Her BJ was good, and lining up behind that perfect ass in doggy was amazing.

I had to go, I had to pick my Girlfriend up from the airport, but I still wanted a third girl. I was looking for one who would just give me a world class blowjob, didn't even want sex. I was looking for the turkish girl who welcomed me at the door, but she was not available. I thought of going with one of the other girls I had gone with before, but none had blown me away in their BJ ability. Then I picked a young German /Russian girl named Ines. She was thin, with a bit of a puffed up belly, with her hair pulled back and a piercing in her tongue. she looked like a dirty cute chick. She is new to the club, only been there for 2 weeks, worked a couple of appartments in Cologne for the 2 months before that.

I enjoyed her very nice and smooth pussy with a whisp of blonde hair on it. Then she moved to a mediocre BJ, which was too fast, and at times a little painful. I told her to slow down, which she did, but it wasn't getting that much better. She then asked me whether I wanted "with or without condom".

Given that the BJ was already in progress I was not sure why she was asking the question. I asked for clarification, and she told me she meant for sex. That is true, this girl was offering Bareback sex. I was disgusted. I had heard rumours that it happens at this club, but thought it was folklore. The strange thing was this girl wouldn't do Cum in Mouth - Genius this girl (The CIM is because she also doesn't like it in her private sex life). I couldn't really get into it anymore after that.

This club has had an influx of about 6 new girls in the past two months, and all of them are young and between reasonably and very pretty. But the Everything uncovered makes me a little worried, and I won't be going down as much here anymore. I guess they think all the over 60 customers are relatively safe, but I am half that age.

more than 15 years i am visiting schieferhof. However i know a lot of other clubs in the ruhrgebiet area who are bigger and more beautiful, the Schieferhof is for me the best. today 60% of the girls are young, beautifull and in for all kind of horny sex. But the best of Schieferhof is the good atmospher between the girls and the men. A few good girls at present are: Stella, Sandy, Laila, Mare and, back home Ailyn.

Mesajan,

You are right, the atmosphere is very good, and the new girls have caused the average age to really drop. The only thing that worried me was the offer for sex without a condom. That is not the sort of "kinky" I am looking for.

Just got back from a Friday Nov. 11th visit. It was a 166 km drive from our FRA hotel, as per our nav system.

There were two frauleins I had my eye on, with whom I wanted to "cim" with. Mara, the Dutch girl, and Eileen, a German girl of Turkish descent (IMO, had the best body/rack).

Only Mara got to taste my DNA, but she was a total sweetheart. I highly recommend her. I couldn't get a hold of Eileen, or wasn't committed enough?

There were only about 10 girls to choose. Personally, I would go there on the first day of arrival. So as to "cum" with the most load.

Danka Peter29, sf4dfish

hrmm, if I can't get to SEA this holiday season, perhaps a return trip to the FKK's will help abate my hunger. Thanks for the update and keeping these great venues on our radar.