By Brazil_Specialist on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 02:58 am: Edit |
Call me paranoid. But in 20 years in Rio I never got mugged. Except some really minor events.
There are tourists who manage to get mugged twice in 2 weeks, get threatened with knives and guns, jumped by a group of , etc. Usually they are those people who don't listen to the advice of locals. So don't get scared off by my advice, but the more you stick to my safety precautions, the less chance you run to get into trouble.
10 years ago, downtown on busy Rio Branco street, in plain daytime, a guy once stuck his hand in my pocket. He grabbed some cash and my car keys and ran. I yelled after him to drop my car key, which he obliged. He does not want to be caught with my car keys in his pocket, nor does he want me running after him for my car keys.
I DONT WANT TO SCARE ANYONE OFF. RIO CAN BE NAVIGATED FAIRLY SAFELY, IF YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. IF YOU ARE AWARE OF THE DANGERS, YOU CAN AVOID THEM MORE EASILY. DO YOUR HOMEWORK, TAKE PRECAUTIONS, THEN RELAX AND ENJOY
For the purpose of behaving safely, imagine Rio being like the worst neighborhood you have ever heard off. Bronx, Watts, some harbor or squatter area in your home country. If you are not streetwise, if you only spent your entire life in fairly safe neighborhoods, you might seriously consider hiring a tourist guide. Don knows how to prevent people from getting themselves in trouble. Or if you stay in my guest room, you will be reminded by me how to behave safely.
Street smartness cannot be taught in a few paragraphs on paper, though I will try.
THE GOOD NEWS IS
* nobody is interested in kidnapping foreigners for ransom. Unlike some countries in Asia, Africa or elsewhere in South America.
* nobody is interested in beating you up, just because they hate your nation, your race. Unlike tough neighborhoods in Europe or the US, where racial tensions fester.
* thugs just want your money, your valuables, etc
People don't want to harm you, provided, of course, you don't piss anyone off. Especially you don't irritate any crime boss, girls with ghetto connections, police, etc. It might be wise to forget injustice done to you then to embark on revenge beating. Even a police complaint irritates people, put you in the "snitch" category. Just keep a low profile and don't irritate anyone. At all cost avoid getting drunk and getting into an argument or fight.
If you don't know what you are doing, choose a hotel over an apartment. Hotel staff can protect you from most dumb mistakes you might commit. Pick a hotel that calls you when your guest leaves, to make sure you are awake and aware she left. Not sure if many hotels here do this safety precaution.
(self serving spam follows You also might consider renting a suite in my apartment 2 blocks from Help. If you follow my precautions, then it is almost as safe as in a hotel. Email me at 1234567 at innocent dot com for more info (/end self serving spam)
Some do's and don'ts
A. MONEY MATTERS
* Don't wear expensive watches, gold chains etc. Expensive watch is anything over US$ 10, or anything that could be mistaken for it. Best wear none at all.The loss of the value of the gold chain is less disturbing then the cut you get on your neck when the mugger tears it off.
* Do always carry "mugging money". Imagine you are a mugging professional, you risk your life holding up a rich gringo, and then the sucker carries only R$ 7.50. Wouldn't you get pissed? And teach the guy a lesson, giving him a little stab or punch? Don't disappoint a mugger, always carry some money, I would say at least R$ 80
* Don't bring all your trip money in cash! These guys with US$ 5000 in their travel bags encourage thieves to prey on foreigners and endanger everyone. On top of this, for the last 10 years the cash exchange rate has been consistently 5-15 centavos per US$ lower then the ATM exchange rate. If you have cash, I can phone a cambio for you to get a better exchange rate. Tourist guides get commission or, alternatively, a better exchange rate, 2-5 centavos more.
* Don't carry your US$ 3000 in your money belt all day long, just because you don't trust the cleaning lady in your apartment. I know a case where the Help girl saw the wad of dollars. She invited the gringo to a romantic walk at the beach, and called her low life gangster friend to come and mug them.
* Do bring several ATM cards in case one does not work or gets lost. Call your bank to tell them you are going to Brazil (so they don't block your card once you start using it here) and increase their withdrawal limits. Thus one ATM visit can get you enough cash for a while and you don't have to go to the ATM every 2 days. Or make advance deposits to your credit card so you can take out money without the cash advance fee.
* Do use the Citibank ATM in Ipanema, Visconde de Pirajá opposite to Hotel Vermont. It seems much safer to me then the Blockbuster Citibank ATM in Copacabana. Cover the ATM machine with your body, so people cannot really see the big wad of money you pull out of there. Don't count the money. The R$ 1000 you are waving around in full view of everybody are 3 months of minimum wage salary. Don't stick the money into your front or back pocket where it gives a telltale square bulge. I always carry a backpack, which makes it harder for the thief to figure out where the money is. Get a taxi immediately when you get out of the bank, or better have the taxi wait for you already. Taxis cannot wait for you in front of the Copacabana Blockbuster Citibank ATM.
People in regular Brazilian banks go to ATM machines to pull out small amounts like R$ 30 or R$ 100. Citibank only has rich customers. If I were a mugger, I would wait in front of Citibank and then hold the customer up 3 blocks away.
Other banks for you to use your foreign ATM are: Banco do Brazil at corner Franciso Sá with Av N S Copacabana. Out of 20 ATM machines, only 4 of them have the Cirrus/Mastercard/Visa/Plus sticker. Only these will work. HSBC bank also works, but less reliably and it seems at a slightly worse exchange rate.
* When mugged, don't fight back. Just be very calm, polite, and give them what they want. I read a story of a Karate black belt who resisted a 12 year old mugger. The kid's 13 year old accomplice just shot the black belt. The only people that get hurt or killed are those who fight back. Accept your financial losses, your life is more important!!
10 years ago, "O Globo" newspaper showed a series of photos on the front page. A band of little street kids ran off with a watch of a foreign tourist. His companian took off his watch and held it up, offering it to the kids. They need it more then he does! On the last photo the tourists and the kids hang out together in a lovey-dovey way. Interesting story, but it is not recommended to imitate, better keep a low profile.
Some guys frequently give food (not money) to the street kids under the theory that they will protect him this way. Makes some sense to me.
B) STREET BEHAVIOR, TAXIS
* Do use taxis. They are safer then private cars. The big criminals do not want to anger taxi drivers. It is taxis who bring customers up the favelas to the drug house. Small criminals don't want to mug a taxi either. Look around how many taxis you see. A thief risks to get beaten up by 10 irate taxi drivers. If he is armed, he will be shadowed by honking taxis.
* Do preferentially use a taxi that you can track down. Like one that always stays in front of your hotel, whose license and home phone number you verified, etc.
* Do try to blend in. If you don't look like an obvious foreigner, you are less of a target. If you speak English with each other, speak at a low voice, so people 30 feet away don't notice immediately that you are tourist to be preyed upon.
* The only place to walk in the dark with some safety is the Avenida Atlantica sidewalk on the side where the buildings are. The beachside of Atlantica is less safe. Don't even dream of walking the dark side streets of Copacabana at 3 am. Take a taxi at night, even if you go only 3 blocks. If you are in front of Help, flag down a taxi on the street, unless the taxis parked in front of Help offer you to go by the meter.
* If you really must get drunk, have someone sober watch out for you. Walking home at 3 am, in a visibly drunk state, is not advisable.
* Don't think the early daytime hours from 6 am to 8 am are safe. They are prime mugging time. Police is not yet up in full force, and the criminals are hard working and getting up early!
* If you need to carry a camera, wrap it into a (Brazilian) supermarket bag. Don't carry your camera proudly in a NIKON camera bag. Taking photos in the street or on the beach is basically unsafe behavior. Totally paranoid people like me take photos only at home. Serious professional photographers hire 2 professional bodyguards for photo sessions. Or take the photos at "Praia Vermelha" in the military zone. Or do it next to a police post on the beach and then head straight for a taxi.
* Don't pull out your wallet to give money to street vendors or street kids. This way they get a chance to see how much money you have, and a chance to snatch the wallet. Rather have some small change in your pocket for such purposes
* Do always get small change (R$ 10 and below). Whenever you are at a place that has lots of cash (supermarket, restaurant, ...) always pay with your R$ 50 or R$ 100 bills, so you get plenty of change. If you have only R$ 100 bills, you might starve or have to walk.
C) APARTMENT SAFETY
If you rent apartments, be aware of the following problems
* people might slip Rohypnol, the date rape drug, into your drink, and then accompany you home. Or do the same when they are already in your home. Then they clean out all valuables and cash from your apartment. This procedure is called "boa noite Cinderella", good night Cinderella.
* if you take a girl home overnight, the lesser problem is that she might get hold of the key, grab your cash, and leave. I heard a more unpleasant story. The girl unlocked the door, then laid down to sleep again. Later her thug friends would go to the apartment, beat up the gringo and take all valuables. They would slap the girl around too, so nobody would suspect she is an accomplice.
* think it over if it is worth having a girl overnight. An overnight stay with a girl that works at a termas is much safer, as the termas has her documents. A girl from the street or from Help is much riskier.
* Make sure you hide your key well, so she cannot get out. Personally, I don't think you can safely hide a key in an almost empty tourist apartment, unless the apartment has a number-locked safe (and you make sure the girl cannot see you type the number). Distant second best bets are number locked luggage or putting key under the mattress you sleep on.
If a girl can get the key, then the lesser evil is if she grabs some of your belongings and runs off with them. A worse case was observed by a friend of mine: the girl grabbed the key, unlocked the door, and went back to sleep. 2 hours later, her gangster friends came by, beat up the gringo, slapped the girl a few times so she would look like a victim too, and took off with all the guy's belongings. Torture to get at your safe combination lock number or your ATM pin number is another unpleasant possibility.
* personally, in my supreme paranoia, I wouild be worried that some prior tenant's criminal girlfriend might have made a copy of your apartment key. I am surprised I have not heard of any problem arising from copied keys. In my apartment, I have keys that cannot be copied.
My intention is not to scare you off so much that you don't come here. Just be worried enough so you take the necessary precautions. Be aware of the dangers, take necessary precautions, then relax. Read my post about "Safe places to hang out or to hike" in part 1 of this series
By Diversity on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 06:43 am: Edit |
excellent post....
i always carry money in different pockets and in my shoes. i also always have mugger money in one specific pocket just in case. it is easier to give up 50-80 reals than several hundred.
the basic saying is: "if tourists stay in tourist areas, then they will be fine; however, if tourists venture where they don't belong, then they are asking for trouble."
i do not care if it is nyc, detroit, san fran, la, tokyo or rio, you can turn left on a street and get your head sucked off, but if you turned right, you would get your head blown off.
By Larrydavid on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 08:07 am: Edit |
I can vouch for you paranoia BS, when you guys went to the runway show with your camera. I felt safe in the apt I stayed in, and in your apt as well. Im sure if there are two tennants in your place plus you , the garotas wouldnt try anything stupid .I guess we take safety for granted.
By soccer on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 09:41 am: Edit |
Unfortunately, giving money or food to street kids only worsens the situation for the tourist. If you give something to one kid, that kid will tell the others that you are a soft touch, and the others will be even more persistent because you already gave one of them something. Secondly, the kid doesn't even look you in the eye or won't be able to remember who you are -- five minutes later, let alone a day or two later.
By soccer on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 09:48 am: Edit |
Another safety tip: never have both arms occupied when carrying stuff (e.g. carrying a bag in both hands). You are a pickpocket's wet dream -- even if the street is packed with people.
By Roadglide on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 10:46 am: Edit |
Staying in groups is also a safe bet, it works for animals in the wild and tourist's in the concrete jungle. Just don't be the tail end charlie.
By Kingtuttheslut on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 12:23 pm: Edit |
I second all specialists advice, specially concerning taking a taxi at night. A few trips back I decided to walk back to my apt. hotel (South Beach) from Help and was jumped by two guys on the way home RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE COPS. They stole my "Rio watch" and my gold chain which i learned to never wear again (its replacement that is) but because i resisted i almost got killed. I have the shirt with the knife cut through the collar to always remind me of how stupid I was that night!
By Berger on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 09:48 pm: Edit |
A common robbing technique is to cycle by and snatch whatever is easily grabable, like a camera or cell phone. I've personally seen it 3 times and it amazes me how fast they are, it literally takes 1/6 of second to do the snatching, and 4 seconds before they are curveying around the block.
It takes you 8 seconds before you realize what happened...
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By Hunterman on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 11:44 pm: Edit |
That's right, I saw an attempted robbery in Ipanema on a sidewalk along Visconde de Pirajá: a guy on a bike came up behind a woman and tried to snatch her purse as he rode by. He missed, but it looked like a good way to rip off anyone with a snatchable valuable who doesn't have eyes in the back of their head.
I guess the only way to defend against/prevent that kind of robbery is to not carry anything snatchable.
By Bwana_dik on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 09:39 am: Edit |
The one time I've been robbed was by this method. A guy rode by a grabbed my sunglasses right of my face...
By Beachbum6 on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 03:02 pm: Edit |
I had my ball cap stolen at 3:00 AM in Havana by same method.And I didn`t think I had anything of value,but it`s all relative.Good thing tho was that my bald head glowed like a 60watt bulb in the moonlight and hookers gathered like moths to a flame!
By Beachbum6 on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 03:06 pm: Edit |
Thanks for advice BS,best to play aware and keep odds in your favor.Good habits to follow.Anywhere.
By SF_Hombre on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 03:59 pm: Edit |
I have repeatedly been robbed of my vital juices by unscrupulous, thieving garotas in Rio. Undoubtedly because I thoughtlessly wandered around in a darkened room wearing only a white robe.
Should I have known better?
By Cortogringo on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 04:33 pm: Edit |
SF,
A more relevant question would be, why you keep going back to the scene of the crime.
CG
By Dongringo on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 09:06 pm: Edit |
CG
Clearly, men of 'advancing years' such as SF seek to cheat death ala "Flatliners" in the hopes that the garotas will induce a mild heart attack. The thrill doesn't stop with a near-death experience, however.
Rumor has it that rigarmortis outlasts even Cialis. But I'll let SF comment further.
By Hunterman on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 11:37 pm: Edit |
Cialis is more fun than rigor mortis, I've heard, and it lasts plenty long for us geezers.
By SF_Hombre on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 04:35 am: Edit |
Actually DG, Rigor's cousins Cialis Mortis and Viagra Mortis have assisted me to rise to a few (ok, ok, more than a few) occasions.
I remain "firmly", however, a legend in my own mind.
P.S. What is Korean for "Ai, papi!"??
By Ablissman on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 06:56 pm: Edit |
In the region where I grew up, there is a tradition to pull up an empty chair alongside the deathbed of the recently deceased. It is for rigormortis to set in.
By Dongringo on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 09:11 pm: Edit |
SF
The Koreans are world reknown for their sticky rice. Little did I know that they were infamous for their sticky fingers as well.
Since my last fatal (and published) visit to the KoreanKornholer, I haven't returned. Can you say the same for your record of inviting tripods up to your apartment? Be honest. Enquiring minds want to know.
Ablissman - when I die, I hope it won't be in ALABAMA, 'cause I'd hate to have you pullin' yer chair up close to be investigating how tight I am after I die. Yer best to stick to the farmyard when ya kent git to Rio.
By SF_Hombre on Saturday, July 03, 2004 - 03:45 am: Edit |
Deeg --
Cialis and/or Viagra cause temporary deterioration in eyesight. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
SF_Magoo
P.S. The good news is that when I locate those those 18 year old brasileiras sporting world class bundas, I don't have to worry about them storing Kim Chee in my exit chute. Which reminds me...do you have other installments of your adventures to post?? Enquiring minds want to know.
By Dongringo on Saturday, July 03, 2004 - 01:59 pm: Edit |
SFM
I regret that I have no recent escapades to share. (You have no IDEA how much I regret that fact). However, it is the weekend, and I will endeavor to persevere so that I can create a new escapade worthy of your readership.
Frankly, I would think that living in Rio the way you do, YOU should have something noteable to post? Enquiring minds want to know.
Deeg
PS
If at all possible, please make sure that whomever you bring home doesn't put the 'kickstand' down when it gets into bed. Thanks
By Hunterman on Saturday, July 03, 2004 - 11:38 pm: Edit |
I would think we should prefer the 'kickstand' down, not up, if our Viagra-impaired vision leads us to select a garota with a kickstand.
By Pmoores on Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 06:34 pm: Edit |
From my experience in Asia, I had all 3 sets of casual shorts and 2 pairs of pants modified with velcro on the front pockets. Hell I have a hard enough time getting to my camera or cash. Mind you that wont help with a mugging.
Also got a nice leather belt made in Angeles City, its got a hidden cash compartment for bigger bills.
By Chazman69 on Friday, July 06, 2012 - 02:21 pm: Edit |
Heading to Rio in August been reading all the post and trip guides here . Thanks a lot for all the information and tips. I spent 6 years in the Marine corps and 1 year in Iraq in a grunt ground unit. The world never changes. I will on my gaurd.
By Bwana_dik on Friday, July 06, 2012 - 02:37 pm: Edit |
Actually, these older posts probably overstate the dangers. Rio is noticeably safer than it was 10 years ago. Still, it's always smart to be on guard in any big city you don't know well.
Have a good trip!
By Beefjerky1 on Friday, July 06, 2012 - 06:02 pm: Edit |
The last time I was in Rio (November 2011) it suddenly occurred to me I felt safer there than I do in Las Vegas. There has been a total sea change since 2005.
If you are a Marine then you wont be putting off that "I was born to be a victim" vibe that some people have that dramatically increases the likelyhood of running into trouble.
I seriously think that by far the biggest physical danger in Rio now comes from crossing the street.
By Lovingmarvin on Friday, July 06, 2012 - 07:37 pm: Edit |
I lived in Rio for 7 years and never got robbed....I walked the streets at night and moved at will.
Of course, just like you would in any city in the world you have to be aware of your surroundings..... being a Marine does not matter much when someone pulls a gun on you. In those cases just hand over what you got and you will be fine....
Luckily, however, most crime in RIo is really more crime of opportunity versus violent crime. Like pick-pockets, or grab and run....
If you bring a working girl back to your room, just lock up or hide anything that you are willing to lose. If possible, lock your room from the inside and hide the key.
By Chazman69 on Saturday, July 07, 2012 - 05:29 am: Edit |
Thanks for the info. been to some hell holes in the world. This is strickly for relaxation and live HBO.I will do my best to get some good pics for everyone. I will keep you updated.
By Bluestraveller on Saturday, July 07, 2012 - 06:02 am: Edit |
I have lived in Rio for the last 10 years, and in the last 3-4 years, things have changed noticeably. The closing of Help reduced crime and removed a place where tourists and robbers could congregate late at night.
I also think that Rio has become a boom town with the discovery of oil near the coast. So there seems outwardly to be less poverty.