Introduction:
I almost forgot to post me most second trip report to the FKK clubs around Frankfurt, Germany. I went to Europe on business from April 24th to May 1st. Scheduling my meetings right, I had three days alone in Germany:

Summary:
After my first joyous FKK experience from last year, this trip was sobering and I finally decided that the Latin-American mongering inside dancehalls and bars is more entertaining for me than the sex club scene in Germany.

1) Club Oasis, near Frankfurt:
This was a club I had spent little time at last year, when I focussed mostly on the Atlantis Club. Cover 65 Euro (about $80) 40-60 girls, mostly eastern European, a lot of blondes. It was still cold in Germany, the windows closed and the rooms very smoky. Most of the customers and girls smoked, the rooms were less clean than I remembered.

2) Nancy, Russia, fake blonde, 25, 5’3”, b-cups, no tattoo, 50 Euros for 30 min.
She was friendly, decent English; nicotine breath (my obsession against second-hand smoke was getting strong during this trip). We used a small hut outside the main building. It was nicely private, however, it had not been cleaned for hours and although we covered most of the bed with fresh towels, I never felt comfortable and missed the times I brought my own clean sheets to Cascadas.
Compared to most fucks in Tijuana, I was completely sober and very much aware of my surroundings. She tried to please, but her bad breath, the smelly and dirty room, didn’t let me enjoy the session.

Summary, Nancy – Russia - Oasis:
Looks: 7
Attitude: 8
English: 5
Technique: 9
Hygiene: for her 10, the room and club 6
Repeat: no

3) Cutting my losses.
After finishing up with Nancy, I wondered if my perception of this place was much different from last year, or if it had gone downhill. From my last trip I remembered how impressed I had been by the overall cleanliness. However, the room I had been to with Nancy was as clean as any hotel room in the alley. Did I pay $150 to fuck a whore in a alley-like hotel room? ($80 cover, $70 girl)
My company was paying a hotel in Frankfurt and I thought about returning there and take my chances at another FKK tomorrow. I sat down in the movie room and watched some euro-porn (hot chicks constantly fucked in the ass by huge guys), when I got horny again and saw a black girl with a great ass and flat, black hair.
I didn’t even ask for her name and encouraged her when she started rubbing Robertito.

4) Africa, good English, 22, 5’5”, b-cups, no tattoo, 50 Euros for BBBJTC.
Once she had me excited, I finally stopped being too critical and let myself go and receive her service. It was one of the better BBBJ and what turned me on especially what that we didn’t even bother to move into a private area. The movie theatre was rather well lit and I could see the other girls and customers sitting around while I received my BJ.
In contrast to most girls in TJ, the regular service at the FKKs in BBBJ, but rarely the girl allows TC without extra pay. I had negotiated not to fuck and instead focus solely on the BJ. Since I had just cum with Nancy, I lasted good 20 minutes (checked my $5 watch before and after to avoid surcharge).

Summary, name not known, from Africa - Oasis:
Looks: 6
Attitude: 8
English: 8
Technique: 9
Hygiene: 3, hope she brushed before frenching the next one J
Repeat: for BJ, yes

5) No return to the Oasis
After spending 3 hours in the Oasis, I needed to breathe fresh air and truly relax. The jet lag was getting to me and I slept 12 hours straight at my airport hotel, the Sheraton. My company had booked this and thinking that a $250 per night hotel could not be too bad I had not paid much attention to this comp. Think again: My room smelled like $20 Motel back home. Only the breakfast buffet (spectacular) and the nice bathroom distinguished this place from Motel 6.

6) Driving north
I woke up at 2 pm on a Saturday and felt great, but was not sure what to do. I had missed the breakfast, knew that one of the clubs I liked last year, the Atlantis near Frankfurt was closed and after last nights experience did not want to return to Oasis either. I ordered coffee and a sandwich and after a bath, took my OPEL with navigational system north on A5 towards Giessen, a city about 60 miles north of Frankfurt. I had read a lot about the FFK-World (http://www.fkk-world.de/) and was hoping that the place was nicer than Oasis.

7) FKK-World – First impressions
Thanks to my on-board computer, I found the place right away. The parking lot is confusing and small. I heard that on busy days they even have a shuttle service from a remote lot when the one close to the club is filled. Luckily, this Saturday afternoon was not very busy. I believe most Germans stayed home to watch their soccer matches on TV.
After solving the unpleasant parking situation, I was done with unpleasantness. The remainder of the visit was just fantastic.
The club is much larger, cleaner and better designed than Oasis or Atlantis. Behind the spacious lobby one walks into the locker room with modern (the club is not even one year old) and clean showers.
Behind the locker room is a second mini-locker room for valuables, which is exactly adjacent to the main bar and dance room. The next room is a dining room, with free coffee and buffet. The food is nothing to write home about, but good enough to support a whoremonger through long hours of mongering.
The spa area is grand and has two saunas, indoor pool, Jacuzzi and massage area.
All through the club are flat panel TV sets with European style hardcore movies running like in all other clubs.

8) The girls
The girls were as good as at Atlantis or Oasis. However, the possibility to enjoy the amenities of the club made me enjoy the ladies much more. I had 3 sessions that day, always used a room adjacent to the massage area and never had anything to complain about.
a) Mona, Russia, 22, small B, 5’4“, little English, no Spanish
I saw a brunette with great body and big brown eyes who was by far the most stunning girl at the time I arrived. We sat down on one of the sofas, but couldn’t make real conversation. All I understood is that she is from Russia, like all girls, claims to be a student (of the Kama-Sutra maybe) and would suck me BBBJ on fuck covered for 30 minutes for 50 Euros.
In the room she rubbed me nicely from behind, kissed my body, even attempted to kiss my mouth. I was a little caught off guard and pulled back when she wanted to french me. I think she was a little irritated by that and the session was very much routine after that. If I had indulged her, this could have been much more passionate. However, I always find it difficult to relax at a new place and often am tense during my first session(s).
After I pulled back from kissing her, she performed a routine sex act on me, which still count as on of the better sessions I had. Nice BBBJ, with balls licking and good tongue technique. She rode me for about 10 minutes, than I switched her to doggie and had a nice orgasm.
What always turns me off at the clubs in Germany is the tight schedule. Since we had spent 25 minutes together I did not get any 1on1 relaxation. Some of the chicas I do and did in TJ would even nap after the fuck, which I enjoy a lot.
This seems unthinkable at FKKW. The service is amazing, the facilities grand, but the professionalism has its downside. 40 minutes after we first met, I handed the 50 Euro bill over to Mona, received a brief kiss on the cheek and off she went.

Summary, Mona – Russia - FKKW:
Looks: 9 1/2
Attitude: 10
English: 5
Technique: 9
Hygiene: 9
Repeat: yes

b) Nadja, Morocco, 19 5’2”, nice b-cups, decent English
After parting from Mona, I ate some at the buffet. Sitting around the other naked customers more or less covered with towels was not as weird as sitting around stunning, naked eastern European women who eat like there is no tomorrow, smoke like chimneys and talk Russian, which to me (geezer) is still the language of Leonid Breschnew…
I saw a dark skinned beauty, which I first thought could be Turkish, but turned out to be from Northern Africa. Her name is Nadja and she claimed to be 19-years-old. Her skin was smooth, no fat and a petite frame, which was 100% to my taste.
We sat down in on of the sofas in front of the movie theatre and she suggested doing her in the porno theatre. I had enjoyed the BJ at Oasis, but Nadja had the potential for more.
I asked her to take me to one of the rooms downstairs next to the massage area.
This time I was more relaxed. I didn’t care if the session exceeded the 30 minutes and had started to work her body from top to bottom. I never heard of girls from Morocco, but this one was exotic and hot and for 50 minutes gave me a first class session.
She was the only girl at the FKK’s I asked to please meet me outside. I had read that this is highly against the rules, but what was my chance to meet a girl like that again: If she had been 2 or 3 inches shorter she would have been my spinner dream, but she was close enough.
Of course she declined, told me that meeting customers outside was against the rules, but spent about 30 minutes chatting with me.

In summary, this club was by far the nicest I had been, but the overall German club scene is not my thing. Being an outsider, it is very difficult to connect with the girls. I like the illusion of romance, flirting, dancing, drinking and partying… There is no illusion, if all customers and girls are already naked, all you can do is either fuck or stare at one of those porno movies…

Summary, Nadja – Marocco - FKKW:
Looks: 10
Attitude: 10
English: 6
Technique: 10
Hygiene: 10
Repeat: yes, yes, yeeessss

c) Tina, 25, 5’2”, a-cup, 90lbs, German, good English
Finally, I met a local girl who seemed to have a decent attitude. Most of the good-looking girls in the FKKW are from Eastern Europe, but Tina seemed to relate very well with some other customers at the bar, made no attempt to hustle and was another spinner. I walked over to her and had a nice monger conversation with her. She claimed to be 25, although I thought she looked older. However, I had spent one good and one outstanding session with younger girls and wanted a more experienced provider for my final performance of the day.
It was 9 pm and after cumming twice already I told her to take it easy on me. However, when we came downstairs all the rooms were busy and she asked me to go to the porno theatre (something all the girls suggest as option #1).
I told her that we could relax in the whirlpool and to my surprise she agreed. I didn’t quite understand, if we were on the clock already and asked her if the 30 minutes would begin once we were in the room and she acknowledged.
One other couple was in the Jacuzzi and already making out. Once in the water Tina started to grind and hump me, frenching and moaning that I almost passed out. If I had not completed two sessions before, I would surely have made a mess in the Jacuzzi.
Not even 10 minutes into this, Tina must have gotten a signal or somehow seen that one room had opened up.
The next 30 minutes proved again that even when the girl is not as fresh as the Moroccan Princess from earlier on, she could make up a lot with technique and experience. Tina was enthusiastic, eager and had her hands and mouth all over me. I think we only fucked in one position, her riding me, but it never got boring and when I came I almost passed out.
50 Euros ($80) for this session was well worth it and actually the only one where a girl provided decent action before entering the room. Something I had read in many posts before, but never experienced myself.

Summary, Tina – German - FKKW:
Looks: 7
Attitude: 10
English: 6
Technique: 10
Hygiene: 9
Repeat: yes

9) Driving south
When I left FKKW it was well after 10 pm, but thanks to my jet lag I showed no signs for fading. I had hit the buffet a second time before heading out and while driving back south to Frankfurt, I considered trying the red-light district in the city. I didn’t get a good feeling for it the last time I was in Germany, but was in the mood for a nice strip club, a few beer etc.
My research prior to this trip showed only one US-style strip club in Frankfurt:

10) Golden Gate Club (http://www.goldengateclub.de)
The club is located on the outskirts of the red-light district and has no parking. I found it easily after punishing the address into my car’s navigation system, but was a little nervous about parking the car at night in downtown Frankfurt.
The cover was 10 Euros including 2 drinks (hello DV and SR), which luckily included alcoholic beverages (Golden Gate 1 : DV/SR 0). I had read some about European strip clubs, and knew that they advertise both male and female dancers. Despite this warning, I was still a little taken aback when I saw a guy dancing on the man stage.
Luckily they also had two cage-like stages with girls dancing and a parked myself in front the lesser dressed girl grinding inside the cage, while I stuffed her panties with $$$. The club did not have a private dancing area, but a smaller room near the entrance with a bar and small stage gave a little privacy.
I saw no high-mileage dancing and only received a massage and lap dance from Carla a petite Brazilian with long dreads. The dances were uncut and $15 without stick-shifting or nasty stuff, but very sensual tease. I spent 3 dances with Carla and since she insinuated to be “more” than a dancer, actually claimed to be the hostess and was very vague on her job description, I gave it a shot and asked her out on a “date” in my hotel room.
She smiled happily, said she would charge a minimum of $500 for outcall, plus $300 for each hour after the first. In TJ I would have known that she just wanted to blow me off, but this chick was so professional and her response so precise that I am sure she was serious. Even though she was BY FAR the hottest girl I had seen on my trip, I declined, briefly went to another strip club around the corner, the Pure Platimum.
The Pure Platinum in short is to be avoided: Cover $10, dances $25 (shorter than Golden Gate), low talent level, extremely smoky basement club, poor layout and way too mach hustle. I drank the beer, which came with cover, endured the hustler dances and finally went to my room – alone.

Nice report RobertX. Thanks! I may be headed to Germany in November.

I have heard that you can make out with the ladies beforehand. Like receive a BBBJ in public downstairs or DFK them. I know that in Rio you can DFK in the termas all you want, but not necessarily be obligated to take them, although it is good etiquette to do so.

If you make out (kissing?) with ladies downstairs, are you obligated to take them? If she gives you a BBBJ in the club, does that count against your half hour if you take them upstairs?

You mentioned being humped and kissed in the pool and then getting another 30 minutes upstairs. You said it cost 50 Euros, which equals about $60 US dollars currently, but you said it cost $80. Was there just a mistake in the conversion or did you have to pay extra for the 10 minutes in the pool?


(Message edited by xenono on July 01, 2004)

Robertx:

Thanks for your informative report. Your experience is similar to mine in that I loved FKK World, and I did not like FKK Oase. I think FKK Palace may have been worth a visit. The RLD is bad news by all accounts.

I think Frankfurt is a pretty good p4p destination for short stays, like 2-5 days. Also, it is a good investment to become familiar with the different FKK's around there (and how to get to them ) as it gives you the ability to make FRA your transit hub of choice for other trips in that direction.

But I agree with your comparison with SA. If I had a week to kill, I'd certainly choose Rio over Frankfurt.

Robertx:

Very nice report and I agree with you about the smoking - really a turn-off. I'm also a big fan of World - the setting is fantastic and I'm sure during the summer the outside grounds are great too.

Xen: When a session begins is a little vague. Just about everyone of my sessions began on a couch with DFK and sometime BBBJ. At some point (5-10 minutes from the point of sitting down), invariably the girl would ask if I'd like to go up to a room. I always said yes. I don't no if that's the point of no return.

Hopefully some FKK vets can clear this up for you.

WS

Good to see the reports coming in from Germany - nice one Robert X.

Wallstreet, I think at the point you go beyond talking and maybe a little "touchy/feely! you are honour bound to pay the basic fee. That is the rule I apply anyway. Of course you do not have to go to a room, you can get it right there if you wish. I have had fun in the Kino, in the cabins and by the pool in Oase and by the pool and on the bed in Atlantis. I think some of these girls like of show off in public!

By the way I saw you were venturing into South America, any chance you will be in Rio late Sep/ early Oct, I am taking my virgin South America trip then.

Robert - Great Report.

The reasons you prefer South American Mongering to the FKK's are the exact reason why I prefer the FKK scene. I like a clear professional line drawn. I like the illusio, but knowing that the illusion ends when I walk out of the door. I don't really like the flirting and such. I am also much younger so I still do well in the real flirting dating scene. I go to FKK's for professionalism. I like to build illusions there too, but not too much.

I also have to say that since I am more or less a native speaker and a regular at a lot of clubs I might have experiences that are slightly different than obvious tourists.

I know at leat 5 girls at different clubs who come over and french kiss me and leave to take care of a customer. But some of these girls I have known for years and gone to the room with at least 20 times. They throw stuff like that in as a freebie. But the general rule is if you don't want to go with a girl stop her before her mouth touches one of your body parts. Otherwise it is unfair to the girls. I was at Tropicana last night and this asshole did not want to pay full price for the service he received. He got blown by 3 diferent girls and then disappeared to the room with 2 girls for 40 minutes and they said 228€, which I thought was almost on the bargain side. He was yowling around for 10 minutes. His actions really pissed me off. If there is one thing I hate it is a cheap monger who tries to cheat the girls. Do not do this, otherwise you deserve to always get shit sessions.

Also yesterday I had another session with a beautiful Cuban named Anna. She does the whole Jealous Latina thing. She wants my phone number, she wants to meet me outside of the club. She whispers that she loves me while I am fucking her hard. She cries when I leave and she gets pissed at me if I go with another girl. some South America lovers tell me that is what Rio can be like. Hell no, that is nothing for me. If I want someone who loves me I will go to my girlfriend. When I go with a Pro, I want pro treatment. Enough distance to know where I am.

Trust me, I have some amazing times in clubs, and most of my world-ending sex has taken place in a pro setting. I treat the girls well, I take my time, I make sure that they enjoy it and what I get in return is that I never have girls clock watch and some of them really get into it. I have had at least 10 honestly tell me I give the best oral they have ever had (Not in a boastful setting, but in a frank talk about life where they say;"I mean sex isn't everything, I mean you give head better than my boyfriend ever will, but I love the way we (she and her boyfriend) have sex. I really love him." (In this case the boyfriend is not a pimp. He came well after the job and sort of knows about it, but tires to ignore it. In this case I have met both of them a couple of times in other social settings, so I know the whole background).

I know about 6 working girls very well privately outside of the clubs. I know how they feel about their work and their customers, and it is in no way uniform. They have customers they hatre, and sometimes they fall in love with customers. They look forward to some and dread others.

My Advice, find girls you get along with and keep going back to them, it gets better with time. Try new things, find out what she likes, remember it and build on that. Open up to her, let her open up to you. If you can do this you will have experiences like mine where your club eperiences are better than most GF experiences (at least sexually). In a club you can never be a weird sex freak, they've seen it all. Rim your girlfriend and she'll think you are a weird freak and you expec her to do it back (and to be honest you really hope she would). Rim a girl in a club and she'll think "Oh, he's a little wilder than I thought". Ask your GF to come all over her face nd she will think, "If that's waht he really wants, porn-obsessed freak" In a club the girl will think "That is 25 or 50€ upcharge, great!"

It sounds as if your general experience was good, you just didn't get into the atmosphere. The part I siympathize with is the smoking problem. I only know 3 working girls who do not smoke, and one doesn't kiss (well she has kissed me a couple of times (room visit 9 &10, but not 11)). I wish there would be less smoking. Wehn the weather is good in Oase or World, the huge grass areas are a good place to escape the smoke though. If girls really have have Marlboro breath I tell them to stop kissing me because they taste like an Ashtray. It lets them know to cut back on it or use mouthwash or something. If more cusotmers complain maybe they will cut down on the smoking a little.

That's just my 2 Cents addition to a $10 report.

Peter

xen,

As for your question about DFK and such on the couches...

It does't count towards your time. Beware tho, the girl will often assumes your going to a room once you two start swapping juices. I learned the hard way my first night at Atlantis. When I was going to leave a hottie walked up to me and started chatting. I figured i would chat for a bit. One thing led to another and before you know it, she's sucking on my tonsils and stroking my cock. After about 5 minutes of this, I try to leave and exited to the shower room (I was starving and already had a few sessions). I found the club manager waiting for me demanding I pay her some cash as "the contact, kissing, etc" consituted an agreement for service. I ended u tossing her 25 euros and left in a huff.

what's the beer situation at FKK World?

FKK world was the only FKK I was at that did serve. I can't recall what type or the price, but it wasn't cheap and was served draft in a plastic cup. Not bad tho all things considered.