I posted a trip report but it did not contain any pictures. I would like to share my information regarding some of the women I was with to help you all in advance if you are interested in them, etc. Please do not discuss the information here with the girls and don’t tell them that you saw them on here. Also, when the pictures were taken I did not know I would be showing them on here so I don’t have a whole lot of naked shots, etc. but at least you will know what they look like which is the important part (I don't know how to post pictures but I will email them to the webmaster and hopefully they will get posted). I will show the pictures followed by a short description of my experience with them and my feelings about them. I will describe the women according to the following:

Looks (face, I prefer lighter skinned blonds)
Looks (body, I prefer large breasts and a round ass)
Cleanliness (whether the girl is careful and afraid of getting diseases, or does drugs and probably sleeps with some guys without condoms)
Goal (wants to marry an American, etc.)
Programma scale (1-5 one being an innocent honest girl who just wants sex for money, five being a girl who falls in love with you (fake), wants shopping trips every day, and basically tries to get as much out of you as possible)
Intelligence
English ability
Jealousy (engages in threesomes willingly while she is with you or only wants for you to be with her)
Sex (good or bad)
Sex program (what I have done with them)
Other (does the girl travel, etc.)
Rates

Age 23
Location Centaurus
Looks-face 10
Looks-body 10
Cleanliness 5
Goal get as much money as possible from gringos
Programma scale 4 (not a 5 because she does not have many boyfriends outside of rio and she generally will only work with guys inside of centaurus, it takes a lot of money to get her out of there).
Time as a working girl 1-2 years
Intelligence 4 (would be 5 but she smokes weed all the time)
English ability (0)
Jealousy (5) does not kiss other girls, does not like threesomes.
Sex 3 (would be 1 but she is so smoking hot that I had to bump her up, the sex kinda sucks though, she doesn’t really like doing it and would rather be with her boyfriend)
Sex Program (oral, straight, tries anal but sometimes difficult)
Other all the girls at centaurus are jealous of this girl and hate her because she is stuck up. I would recommend having her at centaurus but don’t take her out of there because it will cost you big time in reais. Also be aware that this girl is the biggest liar in Rio and has been known to accuse other girls at centaurus of thievery, etc.
Days/nights spent with her total (10 times at her work, 15 days outside of her work)
Rates negotiable, I usually gave her 400-500 reais per day, but she got greedier and asked me for 5000 reais per week to stay with me (I was going to pay her 5000 reais per month to stay with me, which is somewhat reasonable compared to American standards, but way out of line with the going rate in rio of 2-3000 per month). I basically told her I did not want her anymore for that much and only see her now at Centaurus occasionally.

Age 19
Location Help
Looks-face 10
Looks-body 10
Cleanliness 5
Goal to get married to an american
Programma scale 3 (for the most part an honest girl)
Time as a working girl 1 year
Intelligence 3 (would be 4 but she smokes weed all the time)
English ability (4 speaks and can understand english very well)
Jealousy (2) up for anything pretty much.
Sex 5 (the best sex I had in rio, she loves vibrators)
Sex Program (oral, straight)
A great girl, I recommend her highly, stay away from her friends though
Days/nights spent with her total (30)
Rates negotiable, from 300-400 per day/night, 350 per day for travel

Age 28
Location Help
Looks-face 6
Looks-body 5 (would be higher but she has huge ugly scars all around her breasts, looks like a botched silicon job but she says it happened during a breast “reduction”)
Cleanliness 3
Boyfriend: who cares, probably not (brazilian, a few American). Smokes weed all the time, does other drugs occasionally.
Goal to get as much money as possible from gringos
Programma scale 4 (for the most part an honest girl)
Time as a working girl 5 years
Intelligence 3 (would be 4 but she smokes weed all the time)
English ability (2)
Jealousy (2) up for anything pretty much.
Sex 3 (the best sex I had in rio, she loves vibrators)
Sex Program (oral, straight, loves sticking her fingers in and licking your ass for some reason)
I do not recommend this girl, she is dishonest, has been around the block 1000 times, and isn’t that attractive. I don’t trust her either. She lives with Andrea and will often want to come along if you take Andrea.
Days/nights spent with her total (7)
Rates negotiable, from 300-400 per day/night, 350 per day for travel.

Age 28
Location Help
Stay the hell away from this girl. She is a thief, does coke and weed all the time, and is friends with a lot of traficos. Do not under any circumstances stay with this girl or you will find yourself in a lot of trouble. She is not attractive anyway so you probably won’t want her.

Age 28
Location Help
Looks-face 8
Looks-body 7 (would be higher but her breasts are very small)
Cleanliness 3
Goal to get as much money as possible from gringos
Programma scale 4 (for the most part an honest girl)
Time as a working girl 5-7 years
Intelligence 4
English ability (1)
Jealousy (2) up for anything pretty much.
Sex 4
Sex Program (oral, straight)
Days/nights spent with her total (30)
Rates negotiable, from 300-400 per day/night, 350-400 per day for travel.
Other, one thing about this girl is that she wants as much money as possible, and is not afraid to lie to get it. I had several experiences with this girl where I was with another girl and Helizangela took the girl aside and basically told them to leave because I was with her (I didn’t find this out until later).

Age 23
Location Centaurus (also help and barbarella)
Looks-face 7
Looks-body 9 (huge breasts)
Cleanliness 3
Programma scale 3 (for the most part an honest girl)
Time as a working girl 1 year
Intelligence 4
English ability (1)
Jealousy (2) up for anything pretty much.
Sex 4
Sex Program (oral, straight)
Days/nights spent with her total (40)
Rates negotiable, from 300-400 per day/night, 300-350 per day for travel.
I like this girl a lot.

Age 28
Location Quatro
Looks-face 7
Looks-body 7
Cleanliness 3
Programma scale 3 (for the most part an honest girl)
Time as a working girl 5 years
Intelligence 4
English ability (1)
Jealousy (2) up for anything pretty much.
Sex 3
Sex Program (oral, straight, anal)
Days/nights spent with her total (5)
Rates negotiable, from 300-400 per day/night, 300-350 per day for travel.

Age 28
Location Quatro
Looks-face 7
Looks-body 5
Cleanliness 4
Programma scale 3 (for the most part an honest girl)
Time as a working girl 4 years
Intelligence 4
English ability (3)
Jealousy (2) up for anything pretty much.
Sex 3
Sex Program (oral, straight, anal)
Days/nights spent with her total (50)
Rates negotiable, from 200-300 per day/night, 200-300 per day for travel.

Age 23
Location Quatro
Looks-face 7
Looks-body 7
Cleanliness 4
Programma scale 2 (for the most part an honest girl)
Time as a working girl 2 years
Intelligence 3
English ability (1)
Jealousy (2) up for anything pretty much.
Sex 3
Sex Program (oral, straight, anal)
Days/nights spent with her total (50)
Rates negotiable, from 200-300 per day/night, 200-300 per day for travel.

Age 23
Location Centaurus
Looks-face 8
Looks-body 5
Cleanliness 4
Programma scale 5
Time as a working girl 2 years
Intelligence 4
English ability (1)
Jealousy (5)
Sex 4
Sex Program (oral, straight, anal)
Days/nights spent with her total (10)
Rates negotiable, from 300-400 per day/night, 300-400 per day for travel.

Age 19
Location Help now, Quatro before
Looks-face 8
Looks-body 8
Cleanliness 4
Time as a working girl 1 years
Intelligence 4
English ability (2)
Jealousy (2)
Sex 4
Sex Program (oral, straight, anal)
Days/nights spent with her total (90)
Rates negotiable, from 300-400 per day/night, 300-400 per day for travel.

I will post more girls later if I get the time. Enjoy.

Great post, alot of really good informaion. Quick question, these prices are the ones they ask the tourist for, correct? I would hope if you were staying in Rio for 6 months, that you were paying considerably less.

these prices are tourist prices in general. your experience with the girls may be different. in general though, I pay all girls the same (which is probably slightly higher than other guys there for a long time will pay). i only go with the hottest girls also. i pay as follows: 250 for 6pm one night until the next morning (for up to two girls), if there are three or more girls, i will pay them each 150-175 for the same time period. for a week, i will pay 800-1000 reais and for a month, generally from 2000-2500. in addition, i pay for meals, have an apartment where they stay, and sometimes buy them small presents. i also travel all around brazil and if they come with me i pay for all accomodations, etc. i don't try to pay less because i don't ever want to be in a position where i feel i "owe" the girls something and the bottom line is they are all hot and could be getting 500 at least per night at help or centaurus.

Muito obrigado

Am I the only one who thinks that posting this level of detail, using the girls real names and posting this kind of obviously private information, is just an invitation for disaster? Seriously, with the constant security/rat problems we have on Club Hombre, particularly in Rio, this is info that probably should be kept from public consumption. I guarantee some rat on the board has already printed this out, with pics in-line. Think about it guys.

Interesting!

Can you provide a little more info on your rating scales. It's obvious that the "looks" scales are 1-10, w/ 10 being best. The cleanliness, intelligence, English ability, jealousy and sex scales are less clear. Are they 1-5 with higher numbers being more positive?

Thanks!

what kind of problems do you think could result? the intention is not to cause problems, but to provide basic information so that the guys on here don't get ripped off. it does not have addresses, last names, or any other information that someone couldn't discover through a 30 minute conversation with the girls. I do like these girls and if you think the problems associated with this information outweigh the potential benefits to them (in terms of increased business) I will take it down. I do not believe that the girls would have a problem with this information being posted here but I could be wrong and if you believe I am I will request that it be taken down.

(Message edited by gr8ter on October 16, 2004)

The main problem is that one of the Rio rats on this board prints this thread out, with pics, and goes up to one of the girls, addresses them with their real name and starts to talk. During negotiations the rat will mention how much they charged you, because you posted it on the internet, and so on and so on.

sure, for cleanliness, 1 means high probability that she has std's where 5 means a much lower probability of having them. a 1 would indicate that the woman exibited behavior to me that would lead me to believe she has a high chance of contracting std's (i.e. a lot of anal sex, offers sex without a condom, is not very concerned with the quality of the condom, etc.)

For intelligence, this is entirely subjective, whether I felt the girl was intelligent or not.

For english ability, a 0 or 1 means she doesn't speak any english whereas a 5 is perfectly fluent. As all of you know, most of these girls speak no english and even if they do they prefer to speak portuguese so I would encourage everyone to learn at least a little.

jealousy, this is a broad term and definitely should not be taken in the normal sense of a jealous girlfriend. the behavior is the same (i.e. getting mad at you or the other girl) but the drivers are generally different (either the girl's preference for not being with other girls, her greediness, etc.). A 1 would be a girl who loves to engage in threesomes, doesn't mind if you spend time with other girls, and doesn't give you a hard time if you see her at the terma or help the day after you were with her and don't decide to go with her. A 5 would be a girl who wants to monopolize your time, does everything she can to get rid of other girls, and doesn't like threesomes.

sex scale: how much i believed she enjoyed it, either through really enjoying it or if the acting was that good. 1 would mean she was watching the clock the entire time, 5 would mean she was really into it, didn't want to stop, had multiple orgasms, and was overall great.

hope this helps.

I think posts like this are absolutely the best. Thank you Gr8ter. Catacony, if we all worry too much about information on this board there will be no information. If someone shows a picture to a girl and she complains, it will come down. I posted some pix of a girl who married a CH member. He complained and the pix came down. Also, this is just in an outlined format. This board is full of trip reports with pictures and graphic discussion of sexual escapades. Should posters be afraid to post these too?

Gr8ter, great time you must have had in rio! Those photos were outstanding, ummmmmmmmm!!!!
I will be soon returning to rio for my 7th trip in the last 2 years...I hope I connect with ladies of the calibre that you found. Hope to see you in rio sometime....just to see where you finding those hotties!

Great report!

Will be arriving in Rio this Thursday Nov 11 @ 1:35PM. This is my second trip to rio with my last trip 14 years ago with the military. Was wondering if anyone on the board would be down there around this time? Would be great to hook up and have a few beers.

Khunsean

Nice view from the apartment. Keep on living the life. Try some of the dancers that perform at Franks Bar. I've had great success there.

I am a newbie to CH and my only direct experience is a week in BA and more TJ visits than I can count (live in San Diego). I have heard that you can get by in Brazil if you know spanish. Can anybody tell me about that in more detail. Do most Brazilians understand it...speak it? My spanish is pretty good but no portuguese.

For about the 500th time, they speak Portuguese in Brasil, not Spanish. The languages are similar in written form but the spoken languages are very, very different. So, if you can get by in Paris or Milan with Spanish, you will have the same luck in Brasil.

Jimmac, you should do better than the typical English only gringo, though YMMV? As many Argentinians also visit Brasil.

Just don't speak to fast, in fact speak slower than normal.

Just go, you will see many gringo homey's to keep you company and pick their "ears" for info:-)

Native spanish and Italian speakers get by pretty well, especially after getting used to portuguese for a few weeks.

Now if your spanish is less then perfect, it will help you a bit, but not so much. They will understand some of what you speak but you will not understand them, only a tiny bit.

Get the Pimsleur language course, or subscribe to Globo cable channel and get used to the language.


gr8ter: you spent hundreds of nights here?

"Days/nights spent with her total (40)"

If I add this up, you spent over a month with many girls. You paid them your lower monthly fee, or you kept paying these 300 R$ per night rates for all the 40 days (total of R$ 12000)

I don't know exactly how much was spent, but it was a hell of a lot. Most of the time I was paying two girls the monthly rate and the other girls roughly 2-300 per night. This varied wildly though depending on how many tourists were in town, how well I knew the girls, and other factors. On several occassions I didn't pay anything. As an update to you guys out there, of the girls above, only Andrea, Helizangela, Marcela, Rose Marie, Rose, and Josie are working to the best of my knowledge. Andrea is so busy at Help that she is almost impossible to get, but the quality of the women there overall is much better now in my opinion so there are other options. Michelle/Clara, Pricila, Alexia, and Katerine are not working as of now (you might find Pricila and Katerine occassionally at Help or Barbarella though). I am also seeing some amazing overall price inflation in Rio, with the best girls in Barbarella starting the negotiations at 400 per hour or so, which is ridiculous (especially given the deflation of the dollar). I will be living in Rio from the middle of January through June or so of this year so I will have lots of additional experiences to report shortly.

I can conform the 400 R$/h charge at Barbarella. Pure madness IMHO.

What is the "monthly rate?"

looks like you definately go for the white, blonde gringa look. Not my thing, but it definately shows how diverse the ho population is in Brazil. Girls much more mature than the ones you see in SEAsia and it probably makes for better sessions overall.

Hy Gr8ter!!!
Nice report and the information is worthwhile.
I see that you loves blondes.
Of all the girls,I liked specially Pricila.
Do you have perhaps a telephone to contact her?.
When I was in Rio the last year,I found a lot
of mulatas and few blondes.I´ve heard that the
ideal place to meet blondes is Curitiba.
About the price,in 2.004 the girls in Help asked
250 or 300 Reais for 1 night,while in 2.003
asked 200 Reais maximun.
I hope that in my next trip don´t increase much
the amount,in case contrary I´ll become not
solvent and my pocket will feel the effects.
There are websites featuring garotas de programa
with cheap prices (100 Reais)but when you arrange
a meeting with a girl,you can to run the risk that those girl don´t is like in
the photo of the web.

Pricila is not working (as of right now). I have been to curitiba and there are definitely a lot of hot blonde girls there. I did not go out with any hookers there but I was around the colleges and the women were definitely hot and there were many blondes. I have also heard that florianopolis is the place to go but I haven't gone out with any hookers there either. Maybe someone who has been with some of the girls there can comment. I have , however, been with two girls from curitiba who now live and work in rio. They actually live in an apartment with 9 other girls from there who all work the program. I have a picture of a few of the girls and will post them if I get the time. They all work at help and speak very very little english. Good girls, but definitely a different feel from the cariocas. I would be interested to hear what other people think about mineras vs. paulistas vs. bahianas vs. cariocas, etc. I think the personalities are distinctly different and I tend to prefer the girls from santos (rose marie and andrea are both from there, among others).

here is one of the girls from curitiba, she works at help, forget her name, not highly recommended.

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(Message edited by gr8ter on January 08, 2005)

Gr8ter,

That was one hell of a report!! Excellent photos and well written chica reviews! I'm new to this site so I am just now reading your report.

Look forward to seeing more...

YnR

ok, two more girls to add, both are really cool girls.

the first one works at centaurus, she is a little older but i have had very good experiences with her in and out of centaurus, she is very smart and speaks english very well (better than almost any programma girl i have met). the competition at centaurus is rough so you might not chose her if you go there, but i don't think you will be sorry if you do. she has worked around 4 years or so total and has also been in some porno films and magazines in brasil.

the second girl told me she has been working for two weeks but who the hell knows. she has a perfect body and is incredibly beautiful, in my opinion the best looking girl at the terma she works at. as a little challenge i would be interested if anyone can guess (or has knowledge) of where she works (except the guys on this board who were with me when i met her). if you are right i will buy you a beer or pay your entrance to a terma or something, but i will be surprised if anyone gets it soon. if you go with her she is one of the best experiences i have had in rio and i don't think you will be sorry. the picture is really really bad, after a lot of fucking and no makeup, sorry you can't see the body either.

Gr8ter....I did get back my key to the safe but missed sessioning with your hottie. I can attest she was the hottest girl in that terma. There was alot of hot women and we all sessioned within 30 minutes. I know that picture aint great but she was a definite 9+. I don't know what you did to her because she looked great before you took her into the cabine. May I suggest taking pictures prior to your session??

please delete

(Message edited by gr8ter on March 27, 2005)

you know, i always plan on taking the pictures before i bang them, however, i really haven't developed that level of maturity and patience as soon as i see them in my apartment i can't wait to bang them (sorry guys, but your needs are secondary that is why in all my pictures the girls have no makeup and look worn out (although I still haven't worked my way up to posting naked pictures of them either). the exception is the picture above of sissi where i snapped her just as she arrived and the pictures on vacation with the girls (buzios, salvador, etc., the centaurus attitude ones for example).

i have some great pics and video that i will get around to posting someday (as soon as i can figure out how to get the video from my camcorder to my computer which i haven't invested the time to do yet).

Mov,

you should tell some of your stories from there as i think they are great, especially the condom and the key stories.

Anyway, I am meeting two centaurus girls in europe tomorrow so i will let you guys know how that goes. It is actually a great deal because i don't have to pay them anything for their time or for their travel expenses (including the flight) only meals, the room etc. (alright, i am bringing one a 200 dollar digital camera but thats it, the other one wanted the new motorola v3 rzr or whatever the name is which goes for 700 usd unlocked so screw that).

One actually has a grandfather from europe and is bringing papers to try to get a passport from europe so she can travel to the usa at will (i doubt that will happen but it will be great if it does).

I am hoping it will be a great time, although it is colder there now so lets see how the cariocas adjust. I think it will be great to see the sights, have threesomes every night, and enjoy some food and culture, lets see if the reality is as good as my picture because previously i have only vacationed to the carribean and cities in brazil with the girls (hopefully they won't pass out from a beach not being within 3 minutes every second).

Ok, nobody seems to be guessing, so please tell us in which terma that garota can be found.

With most Western European countries, you can only be nationalized if one parent is a citizen. Grandparents don't really mean anything, so unless she gets one of parents, the one with the European dad, to get dual citizenship, then she can apply. I think it will then extend to her and that's it. At least, with the UK, it only goes two generations. At that point, unless your kid is born in the UK, your kid is not considered a UK citizen even though you are.

So give us a hint. Definitely like to make room for her on my May dance card.

she works at 65, i was sure someone would recognize her with all you guys living in brazil but good enough.

anyway, i am in europe now and i think the girl knows she cant get the passport but we are going to try tomorrow for the hell of it.

(Message edited by Jaspersmack on March 29, 2005)

ok, i am only back in the states for a day, going to prague tonight. here is a little something to share. hope you enjoy it, although it is without faces they were great girls and i took them to vips for the night after they got off work.

what a great clam shot.. - LB

Good lookin'out Gr8ter, saw "Thief" @ Mei Pataca early April '05, avoided her like the plague. Saw her again that same week at Helpee, again kept my distance. Keep the updates coming.

I am really glad the information helped, that is what the board is all about in my opinion, helping each other out.

Just for the record, the girl never robbed me, but her attitude was one of a thief and someone who wants to take advantage of gringos. Had I not had another girl in my apartment at the same time, and had I not taken a hard line with her, she easily would have taken my shit and my money. As one example (in addition to asking for outrageous gas money sums, arguing about the agreed to price, and other incidents), at one point I had given her 100R or so to go buy alcohol and food for us, but in the morning she said she had paid for it and I had never given her the money, after an arguement, she eventually relented and admitted that "she must have lost the money" because she had put it in her bra for safe keeping and it must have dropped out. Anyway, you would definitely be smart to avoid her as she is not that attractive anyway, has lots of friends in bad places, uses drugs regularly, and is desperate for money.

The more time I spend in brasil, the more I am convinced that anyone picking up a girl from Pataca or Help is taking a much much greater risk of being robbed, set up, receiving bad service, etc. than if you take a girl who you know from a terma, etc. Of course this can happen with any girl you have to your apartment or hotel, and if you follow the rules, don't do anything stupid, lock up all your shit, and negotiate everything ahead of time, etc. you should be ok, but it is always a role of the dice with those girls as your notebook or camera is worth more than an average yearly salary and they can easily disappear for a week till you return to America. Just don't give them the opportunity.

Where are all the pics? I don't see them here--did the admin. take them off?

i requested that the admin take them off. some guys on here were showing the pictures and the writing to the girls and it was causing me problems that i don't need or want.

Gr8ter wrote : "some guys on here were showing the pictures and the writing to the girls and it was causing me problems that i don't need or want."

Gr8ter,

Sorry to hear you got outed.

It's the cardinal rule not to discuss or share anything posted on CH. It's that simple.

I hope you were able to fix any damage done.

Actually it isn't a cardinal rule. I don't even think that we should call it a rule since there are really very little consequences for breaking it.

BT,

I respectfully beg to differ. I feel there are consequences when CH members share or discuss private content posted with the chicas.

For example Gr8ter removed his pictures for all to view. If everyone starts to hold back info and stops posting pictures because they feel information on CH can't be contained then the board will collapse and cease to exist.

If that isn't a consequence then maybe I'm out of line.

If CH ceased to exist because members don't feel comfortable contributing, I highly doubt it would put an end to my TJ experiences. But CH's presence certainly compliments my TJ experience.

It is a place to share info and make frienships. I've certainly learned from the content posted here and it's opened my eyes to other parts of the world.

I think what BT meant was that people can do it (show the pictures and info to the girls) without consequences to themselves (granted the whole community is hurt, but that fact must matter very little to those who do this). Frontbc, this is part of a post from a while ago after either the second or third time I got into trouble with the girls. It is still true.

"Granted it is a risk every time someone posts information on here that the girl will find out by some loser like this sharing the information, but it really disrupts the board in my opinion because when things like this happen, it discourages people from posting further on the board. I get nothing out of posting information on this board, nothing, I am only doing it because I have benefited from the information on here, and I want to help others in the same way. If everyone acts like Dayana’s boyfriend, all we would be left with very little other than bwana dik’s guide (which is excellent by the way, I recommend it to everyone) and all other non-biased information. When guys do things like this it makes it especially difficult for the men on here who spend a lot of time with the girls and are in Brazil a lot because all the girls know them and they want to remain on good terms with them.

For example, if a guy on here lives in copa and goes to monte carlo twice a week and knows all the girls there, it is very helpful that he post information and photos on here about the girls, good and bad. However, if the girls who are bad performers find out that he posted that negative information on here, needless to say he most likely will not be very welcome in monte carlo much longer. The answer is to either not post any information about girls who are bad performers, or to write that she is good to retain good relations with her. I prefer the honest approach and that is why I come here, but if stuff like this happens to often, I won’t be on here posting honest information about girls much longer, and needless to say in the future I will think twice before posting negative information about the girls.

I really don’t know what I hope to get out of this posting other than I hope that for the sake of this board, guys will think twice before telling girls about information they see about them on here, because if I continue to get kicked in the ass trying to help others out with no benefit to myself, I won’t be doing it for much longer."

After this posting, it happened a couple more times, and I got into another bad situation because of it that was discussed on here.

(Message edited by gr8ter on September 08, 2005)

Just post about the ones that are the superstars, I will just avoid the others.

(Message edited by coats001 on September 08, 2005)

Gr8ter,

After reading BT's post again I understand his consequence point.

I totally understand your frustration and I've never been outed(yet). I'm sorry you have had to deal with some bad situations.

It's very unfortunate.

Not to be a smartass but... How do they know it is you that was telling the stories? Do you tell all the garotas that you are Gr8ter on CH? or is it an acquaintance that knows your real name that tells them?

They can't see pics here in Brazil, they block the brazilian IP addresses or were the picture integrated into the thread. Not sure whether those are visible in Brazil.

Your not being a smartass, it is a relevant question.

I don't want to repeat what was already discussed a lot on other threads, but basically some guys are able to show pictures from this site to girls in brazil, i don't know how but it does happen.

As far as how they know I am gr8ter, they don't, what they know is that it is me who took the picture someone is showing them from the internet (i.e. i could have given it to a friend who then posted it on the internet, but to them it doesn't really matter, it is still my fault). How do they remember? To quote from another posting of mine:

"It is one thing if you go to brazil for one week once a year and make one visit or so to each terma. In this case, if you take pictures of one girl in a room of a terma or in you apartment she probably won't remember who you are. However, I, and probably a lot of other guys on here, spend a lot of time in Rio, have the same apartments, and I vacationed with some of the girls. As a result I know a lot of the girls at the main termas very well and they will for the most part remember the time and place where the photos were taken. For this girl in particular she has copies of the photos that she asked me to send, and she told me that she doesn't let people take photos or whatever (and I haven't seen any other photos of her on this site)."

Gr8ter,
These GDP's aren't stupid and like you said if you frequent these places and and have any kind of rapport or repeat with anyone they all seem to remember everything.

BTW, I really appreciated your detailed report and ratings on the garotas. I've been with a couple of the same ones and you were right on the mark.

Snooky,

I just looked at the photo you posted on the board. And I don't think that you are in much danger.

In all cases, the way that a garota learns about their photos is through another GUY that either tells them about the photos or shows them the photos straight up.

Although your handle is involved, there are many many people that know your handle. If a girl has a little initiative, she can easily just ask various Americans whether they know a guy with your handle.

In my case, it went further. The Hombre member had fallen madly in love with this garota. In fact, I believe he is now married to her. This guy wrote me a note via Hombre and asked to meet me in Rio. Which I did. After we met, all sh*t hit the fan.

As we all know, once one garota knows, all of them know. It was truly horrible and the rumors were worse than the reality.

Bluestraveller,
I've probably put up 30 pictures including pictures of the whole Karla models photo album and only one is listed and attributed to me. I guess that is a good thing. I'm in Brazil right now and can't view the one that is listed but if memory serves me correctly there is no face pic in that shot.

I feel for you guys that get outed and I know there are a lot of guys out there that will continue to out others as long as there is no recourse for their actions other than you taking things into your own hands.

What we should do is shun them. We all go to the same places, hang out at the same restarants and bars. Once an outer is outed he should become persona non grata. Nothing physical just make them feel unwanted by the brethren. Nothing worse than not being able to hangout with others like you in a foreign country.

It's been done on other boards. Once I wore a shirt shirt with a logo from a bar that also happened to be the handle of a shunned member from another board and was given a whole bunch of crappola by some other members that didn't know me. Took a little while to convince them that I wasn't him. Shirt is now history.

(Message edited by abramom on September 10, 2005)

The problem is it is almost impossible to find out who it is. Even if the girl wants to tell you who it is (which they usually end up wanting to do because they know you better than the guy) it is usually some vague description (i.e. tall white guy, 40s from california named steve) or something like that.

When it happens, it is usually some guy in rio for a week who usually does not post much on this board (i would hope) and just collects information and shows it to the girls to get brownie points. Even if he could be identified the damage is done and he could probably care less.

The only answer is to make sure you have explicit permission from the girls to put it on the internet and they know that it is accessible to everyone in america who pays to go on this site. Also, you can obscure their faces, etc. and do other things, but i don't think the answer is to try to discover who is doing it and stop it that way, because there will always be people doing it and even if you do find out his handle (which is not easy) you would then have to prove it was him to get him kicked off and there will always be others to take his place.