After tossing and turning for a few hours and getting precious little sleep, I headed down for an early breakfast. I texted MongerX to let him know I was up and he joined me at some point and Epimetheus joined us a bit later. As I’ve said before, the morning after recaps around the breakfast table the next day are some of the greatest highlights of my trips, and I after a couple of days in Batam spent mostly on my own, I was happy that two of my FAVORITE mongering storytellers were around to share their tales with me. While for some mongering is a solo sport, for ME, having like-minded amigos around is far more entertaining.

Upon returning to my room I woke A up and tried to help myself to another round with her. I’ll give her the benefit of a doubt that she was sleepy and/or crashing from the previous night’s high, but she wasn’t at ALL as good of a partner as she had been before heading out to go back to the disco the night before. The best I can say is that she was relatively compliant with my request for position changes for awhile before claiming she was sore and didn’t want to fuck anymore. This did not go over well with me, but I didn’t pitch a fit. I did, however, remember it when compensation time came.

I ended up giving A 220,000 Rupiah (about 25 USD), for what had been about 14 total hours spent with me, of which about 1 hour in total was spent having sex, about 30 minutes of which she appeared to be an active participant. I finished a grand total of once, and was left frustrated when she requested an early end to the morning session. All night sessions at the various KTV/booking places in Batam usually cost between 220-280K Rupiah (often factoring in the presence/absence of taxi commissions) with the mamasan/house taking a substantial potion of that. Quite relevant in MY mind, as well, was the 200,000 rupiah I had spent on drugs for her and her friend the night before. Also relevant to me had been the inconvenience of her leaving in the middle of the night to go back to the disco (although I did approve this) and then returning to wake me up from a sound sleep and then not having much interest in sex with me after her return.

To say that I wasn’t completely happy with the way things had gone after my first session with A that night would be an understatement, and I had little interest in having her stay long time again despite the fact that for the most part, I really liked her. But I also found her moods, especially that morning, a bit of a problem.

A didn’t say anything to me at the time, but the bamboo pipeline blasted me in the face as soon as I went down to the apartment where Mx and Epi were staying. A was there pouting, looking like her dog died, and Ida had apparently lit into Mx about how I had woefully undercompensated A. I explained my case to Mx, he didn’t apparently agree.

The point where we disagreed was whether paying for drugs should be at all considered, and I thought it highly relevant. He thought it to be an entertainment expense on the order of buying a date a drink as a social lubricant. I might have been inclined to agree with him if I felt better taken care of in the mattress olympics department, but the fact was that I was NOT happy with that or the end to the evening and her attitude that morning. And BOTTOM LINE was that I had given her what I knew to be a full (albeit low end) night’s booking fee at a booking place in Batam, which, again, she didn’t have to split with anyone except her boyfriend and/or drug dealer. It might be pointed out that this was close to a week’s pay at a NORMAL job, much of the time was spent getting high and at the disco.

Always wanting to be LIKED, I indeed felt bad that A felt wronged, but was pretty resolute in my arguments and list of grievances. And with a town full of other girls, wasn’t particularly upset that A had apparently decided that I was too cheap to see again, as I wasn’t happy with her work ethic in the bedroom. I even suggested (crudely, as Mx pointed out), that in future encounters maybe we would both be happier by a comp system where I’d pay by the LOAD, suggesting 150K for each shot. If she got me off three times, she’d get 450K. Of course, factoring in the drugs, I’d spent close to that the night before, and I only got off once.

The whole discussion, however, left a sour taste in my mouth about Batam and the attitudes there. Based on my prior experiences in Asia spending several weeks in Angeles City and Thailand, I hadn’t had half as many headaches over money and tips as I’d had in a handful of days in Batam. There are pretty well established norms in those places, and extra compensation was generally ‘UP TO ME’, with complaints quite rare, especially in Angeles City, where if a girl was disappointed about payment she probably would never even mention it. In Batam, they actively WHINED, trying to almost shame you into giving them more money.

Of course this would REALLY hit home again and again and again that day/night as I started quite a STREAK where girls bitched about money several times in a row. Maybe I AM in fact the cheapest bastard that has ever visited Batam, but I really, REALLY doubt that.

On that happy note… Mx, Epi and I headed out to use the internet and show Epi what the booking places were like. As we had on my first afternoon in town, we headed straight for the places near Lucky Plaza, Queens 8933 and Dynasty 99. My first honey in Batam was in the fish bowl at Queens, and both Mx and Epi commented on how she gave me MAJOR stinkeye when I pointed her out to them. I was beginning to feel like Ron Artest in Detroit that day, and it’d get worse as the day went on!

We settled in on the plush couches at Dynasty 99 across the street and soon each had a girl join us for a drink and a noticeable lack of conversation. My girl was the same girl I’d grabbed on my two previous occasions there, the slightly chubby girl with the impressive cleavage, and she seemed pretty happy to see me when I called her over. After all, I’d apparently given her a 100,000+ rupiah tip the last time with my funny money induced ‘what the hell’ attitude to letting her keep all the winnings from the ‘bola’ lottery type game. There was going to be no repeat of THAT little incident!

I wasn’t sure how Epi or Mx were feeling about their companions, Epi seemed a little subdued in his new surroundings. I tried to make up for his mellowness by playing ‘octopus’ myself with my chunky girl, and unsnapped her bra and stuck my hand up/down her dress several times to feel up the goodies. I also had her well-cushioned ass grinding on my sweet spot for awhile, and all this playing around really had me horny. Maybe A’s leaving me high and dry that morning actually had been a good thing!

I was the first to decide on heading upstairs for short time, but it didn’t take the others long to decide to do the same. I paid my 130,000 rupiah and we headed upstairs to our now usual pre-bonk bucket wash! My chunky girl again gave a pretty damned good, long BJ, and I was having fun playing with her body while she did. And she delivered sex with gusto through several position changes after that. I had to make a conscious effort to hold off from cumming a couple of times with her in order to get the full experience, but I couldn’t hold out for long. While many of you reading this would never look twice at that girl, I found her fuller figure immensely sexy, and we fit together very well.

I actually tipped my girl 30K rupiah as we were about to leave, and while I didn’t understand a word she was saying, it became pretty clear that she was a little miffed that I didn’t give her more! I was even more confused when I came down and found out that Mx and Epi had gotten NO grief and hadn’t tipped at ALL if memory serves. What the HELL was up with this town? Had my previous bola winning’s excessive tip now become some sort of obligation with that girl? You’d THINK that excessive generosity might have even bought me a FREEBIE!

The pujasera WAS on the agenda for that night, and quite a damned feast. Mx ended up getting Ida and Meli to join us and Epi seemed pretty thrilled about Meli’s chest. Getting a better look at her without my eyes half shut by sleep snot, I was indeed kicking myself that I had passed on her when Ida had delivered her to my room a few nights earlier, and to hear Epi rave about her, you’d have thought they’d be getting married. I think Meli’s boyfriend put in a crimp in those plans!

Certainly unprovoked by me, Ida ended up inviting yet another friend of hers to join us at dinner, a short, petite, and seemingly a little older chick with a marginal (or less) face (lowlighted by a ring through her nose) but intriguingly small body. The chick chain-smoked (as did the other two girls) and I was more annoyed by her efforts to hook up with me than attracted to her, but after she ended up heading back to Island View with us after dinner, we ended up as a couple on the couch in the apartment when the other four headed off behind closed doors for some dessert.

I was not interested in this girl in the least, but as we were alone together and it was pretty obvious what was happening in the other two rooms, I ended up pulling out my dick and telling her it was sucky time after bouncing her little ass on my lap had gotten it to pop up. She told me OK if I turned out the light, and ended up giving me a competent couple minutes of head while there on the couch -- which was about to get a WHOLE LOT more interesting when someone from Epi’s room opened the door and headed into the bathroom in the hallway. This FREAKED OUT the girl sucking my cock, and no amount of coaxing could get her to return to her duties, insisting that she’d continue in my room.

THAT seemed to me to be a big commitment – the ONLY thing the chick had going for herself was that she was extremely convenient and caught up in a naughty moment. But my little head won out and I agreed to take her back to my room to check her plumbing.

Trading showers before and after the event took longer than the sex with her and she was extremely disappointing in not allowing pics. Basically I just threw her down on the bed and did the ‘whap, whap, whap’ thing on her skinny ass, and then tried to figure how I was going to be able to get rid of her.

By the time we were dressed it was OK to go back down to the apartment again, and apparently the plan was to go to the disco. Of course the troll with the nose ring wasn’t going to pass on a trip to the disco, now was she? GRRRR…

I dutifully payed my cover at Pacific and got the free drink chit and we met the girls inside after going through the metal detector. The troll acted like she was glued to my side, and for some reason I actually ordered her a drink. She soon asked me to hold her keys for her, and I have NO idea why I said yes, but for some reason I did, and then completely forgot about them and her. She asked me to buy her a disco biscuit and I said NO.

Very early on in our stay at the disco I put 150K rupiah in her pocket and thought that made it clear that I was done with her. When she KEPT hanging around I TRIED to tell Ida that I had paid her for short time and that I was finished with her. I’m not sure if Ida understood what I was saying (the disco is LOUD and then there’s still a severe language barrier) or not, but the chick ended up at our table the whole time we were there.

I THOUGHT I was saved when A came sauntering over and acted VERY happy to see me. I figured buying her a disco biscuit might be an olive branch to smooth things over from that morning, and it indeed made her quite happy. I spent the next hour or so with A all OVER me – dancing wildly in front of me, then sexily on my lap. Lil’ Porker liked that! But, quite annoyingly, the troll was STILL at the table. I was HOPING she didn’t think she was still with ME. But at least she was well behaved and not giving any visible attitude.

My rather pleasant night at Pacific with A was suddenly interrupted with a bunch of people flicking lighters and looking around on the floor. My first thought was that somebody had lost their drugs, but it quickly became apparent that it was slightly more serious: Ida had lost her handphone.

Mx and Epi soon returned and Mx and Ida both looked to be near suicide. It turned out that Mx had had Ida’s (very expensive Nokia camera model) phone with him and had it lifted by a light fingered girl while he was flirting with her and a group of others off in some dark corner of the bar. Ida was beginning the waterworks and Mx clearly felt responsible. I knew he’d do the right thing the next day and go get a replacement for her, but it was an expensive lesson for him and a diSASTER at the moment for her. It certainly ground the party to a halt.

Everyone in our group headed for the door, and I figured it’d be a good idea to go with them. I kind of just said ‘bye’ to A and headed out the door. She came RUNNING after me and asked if I was coming back, and I said no, which made her pout. She didn’t invite herself along for the ride back to the hotel, but the ring-nosed TROLL DID! And then I found out WHY, when she asked me for her keys back. FUCK! I had forgotten all about those stinking keys!

When we got back to the apartment I was in no mood to hang around and get depressed over the phone thing, but I wasn’t in the mood to sleep either. And I certainly wasn’t in the mood to entertain the troll. So I got the idea to go check out Planet Disco which was on the ground floor of the hotel next door.

I excused myself and the troll dutifully followed me out! I told her I was going to Planet and that I wasn’t taking her with me, that she should LEAVE. She then tried to tell me I had to pay her. I told her I had put the money in her pocket (pointed). She took it out of her pocket and got very upset and threw the 150K rupiah on the ground. I picked it up and said ‘uh, you MIGHT want to KEEP THIS’, and she did indeed take it back while continuing her hissy fit. Her last comment as I was walking away was ‘BUT I ICE CREAM U!!!” Like a 2 minute BJ is supposed to radically alter the price for (mediocre) SHORT TIME?

I made a HUGE mistake holding that girl’s keys for her at the disco and certainly despite the language barrier could have done a better job of telling her that I was done with her. But you’d THINK that shoving money in her pocket and then starting to make out with another girl should have been strong clues that I wasn’t interested in her. Oh well, my list of girls I’d disappointed in Batam was getting long.

After ditching the TROLL, I rounded the corner into the Planet Holiday parking lot and made my way to the back to the Planet Ozone disco. My first impression of the place was that it was considerably smaller and lighter than Pacific. But at ~ 3 AM on a mid-week night, there didn’t seem to be that many girls there, certainly not like Pacific, which always seemed to have them in plentiful supply.

I wasn’t asked to pay a cover to get in to Planet, but I did get hit up several times by male waiters to buy a drink before I actually had one delivered to me. While I was a little disappointed by the lack of available girls during my short time at Planet, it didn’t take me long to have one hit on me, and while it was almost immediately apparent that she didn’t have star caliber looks, the longer she stood in front of me and ground on my crotch, the more attractive she seemed to get.

She was pretty low key and patient while she stood mute grinding against me, but did manage several forced smiles to tempt me a bit more. Desperately wanting to take someone back to my room to erase the memory of the greedy troll that I had just managed to ditch, it didn’t take me too awfully long to decide to take my new friend. And fortunately when we reached the light of NIGHT outside, she didn’t look TOO awfully bad, and as I already knew her body was damned nice, I got a little excited about possibly being set to have a GREAT time.

And my disco freelancer friend did her best to please. After trading showers in my room, she REALLY let loose a sexual hurricane on me – the girl fucked me with inCREDIBLE energy and slammed herself against me with an incredible amount of force. I am pretty sure that I have never fucked anyone HARDER than I fucked Planet girl that night. It was full on slam-fucking for a solid hour.

Unfortunately, due to the now recurring nightmare, the severely de-sensitized dick, all that slam-fucking didn’t result in a squirt before what seemed like every last drop of fluid had been drained from my body. I finally had to throw in the towel and admit that I couldn’t finish at about the 75 minute mark, and my cewek actually seemed to have wounded pride because I hadn’t finished.

Of course her pride got a lot MORE wounded when I reached into my pockets and found that I only had 173,000 rupiah in cash on my person. I offered her every last cent, and she almost immediately got ANGRY, raising her voice and yelling at me that she got 200, 000 for ‘booking’, and that I’d BETTER pay up. I tried to calm her down and explain my no cash situation to her, but she was not at ALL in a patient mood. Ahh, the beauty of the freelancer (well, and I’m sure as she was concerned, the shallow-pocketed sex freak)…

I quickly figured out a solution that SHOULD HAVE solved the problem, offering the girl 25 USD (nearly 220,000 rupiah) that I still was carrying around with me, but she was immediately suspicious that she was getting ripped off in the transaction. When I wrote down the numbers – 173K rupiah vs. 220K worth of USD, she stopped getting angry and at least thought about the deal I was offering. After several minutes of my coaxing and assurances (and ultimately, a return to the ultimatum of 173K vs. 25 bucks), the disco chick said she’d take the money, but would be back to kick my ass if there was any problem with exchanging it for the full amount I had represented to her. Fair enough, I agreed, then encouraged her to LEAVE.

While this final incident was in fact mostly my fault, it was an honest mistake brought about by underestimating my cash on-hand before heading to the disco. But I yet aGAIN found myself in a situation where a girl had been extremely upset at me over the compensation I had given (or tried giving) in less than a week in Batam, and for the third time that very DAY! It was becoming clearer and clearer to me that ‘Up to You’ was not the ingrained system in Batam.

Photos: Batam A 94 95 96 97

Photos: The 'Troll' 98 99 100 101 102

Ida, Troll and Meli at the pujasera

Photo: Ida/Troll/Meli 103

After your mountain of realizations IMO you were being cheap and trying to pay below market prices. Ayu is clearly a popular girl who gets 200K for ST and you were basically trying to pay her that for long time. You were unhappy with her service, but I don't see how you can say what you enjoyed was ST service.

Listen I wouldn't normally give a rat's ass what someone pays his date. However, this is case where I was showing you around town in a place where I built up some personal capital with the locals. Now when you stiff someone, after having implicitly vouched for you, naturally I am going hear about from the other side. I could ignore her and tell her to fuck off and manage her own business, but that just destroys the personal capital I like having.

Many times I explained to you what the FL price structure is. However, you choose to ignore it and tried to impose you own AC derived price expectations. Batam is not AC. Batam booking joints LT fees are slightly more than AC barfines and slightly more generous tips are standard in Batam. Also, in AC freelancers are cheaper than bar girls while in Batam FL girls are typically more expensive than booking joint girls. That is just how the market is.

I should just discount your long list of rationalizations for paying less because your where dissastisfied with services. But I just can't let pass the way you want to reduce the amount you compensate the girl based on the entertainment expenses you agree to. In AC do you ever reduce the amount you tip a girl because you bought her some lady drinks, you bought her dinner, you dropped a couple thousand pesos going barhopping, you bought some peanuts at the bar, or because you let her send emails to her money ko's from your in room internet access?

What do you do in AC when your bar fine suggests a shopping trip to Savers Mall or a bar hop to visit her friends? If you don't want to you say NO. You don't reluctantly say yes and then spitefully reduce her tip at her exit. As I read your report I see you are spendin money on stuff for your date that you don't want to. If you don't want to spend $13 on your date's request for a hit of X, then don't. if you don't want to buy a girl a drink then don't.

Of course, when in AC, Batam, Thailand or wherever. I like to buy LD, go barhopping with my bar fines, and just generally live a little large and have fun. Fortunately I am in a position where I can do this. Of course, I do think I tend to get some dividends with better treatment from the girl from the sex, attention, and attitude playing this way than I do just locking them away in the room after paying BF.

Look I am not discounting that YOU had a difficult time dealing with the business end of the chicas. But in MY experiences I haven't had an real significant compensation issues by just paying the market prices for Batam. I also haven't noticed others having lots of difficulties when they follow the guidelines I suggest.

However, I do agree that in Indonesia EVERYBODY in a non fixed price transaction will always ask for more and will bargain aggressively. However, this is cultural and it is pretty easy to end cut someone off when you know you have proposed the usual price. Also, the person will usually return to being perfectly pleasant and harbor no hard feelings. IMO this is cultural and does take some getting used to.

Ok, let me play devil's advocate here on this issue MX as I am friends with both you and Porker.

I don't think that Porker should take into consideration him paying for his girls drugs but the problem with the girls having an expensive drug habit is that they have hardcore mood swings and have more pressure to get bigger tips so they can feed this habit. Asking a guy to buy you drugs when she is a freelancer may be customary but it is totally out of line. Now you know I am generous but when a girl decides to leave and go back to the disco, she is changing the amount she should receive for long time...she is essentially making it somewhere in between. A realistic tip would have been about 300,000.

I like A as a person and she seems fair but she should have never aired her grievances with Ida because she knew that Ida would get pissed and would get pissed at MX and so on and so forth. It was a bullshit trick to try to get Mx to cajole Porker into upping his tip.

With regards to the girls bitching about normal tips and 200,000 for short time. That is also out of line and has everything to do with how the ceweks view bules...they view us as weak and can easily be persuaded into paying more money. I guarantee you that the Singapore guys underpay the girls all the time and fuck the shit out of them all night and wont buy them drugs but you wont even hear a fuckin' peep out of the girls mouth if the guy gives them 230,000 for a night of fun. I may be underestimating the SIng Chinese guys but I have a feeling that they are more notorious for being cheap than Bules are and the girls who deal with bules have just been plain fuckin' spoiled.

Blazers, I think you are coming off way too authorative than justified on what chinese guys are paying ceweks in Batam. Hell these guys are paying 300k just to have the girls come dance half naked for an hour in the karaoke rooms upstairs. Except for the older lower economic class chinese guys, (and these guys don't book disco FL girls) generally Chinese guys will be as generous if not more so than the Bules. Contrary to your constantly saying otherwise, tourist Asian guys pay more for their whores in Asia than western tourist do. And of course they are asking for the Chinese guys for biscuits, hell chinese guys are more likely to indulge themselves.

Can you get cheaper than 200K ST in Pacific disco, sure if it's is a Wham Bam thank you mam where she is back in the disco within an hour. Most will accept 150K or a little less. You can also get girls who looks are less, are shy, and who speak no English to go for 150K ST. Hardocre FL girls like Ayu who do appeal to both chinese and Bule generally will NOT agree to a ST of less than 200K.

And your gaurantees about Singapore chinese guys all time underpaying, screwing the hell out of the girls, and not showing them a good time with out complaints is pretty damn bold since you don't have a single fucking observation.

Mx, I indeed greatly appreciated your help in showing me around, and would feel VERY bad if you felt that hanging out with me in ANY way cramped your style. I did at least TRY and pay attention when you were explaining your method of compensation to me, but it was still quite confusing, and I don't remember you ever telling me exactly WHAT you paid your steady for overnights (probably none of my business) or, much more importantly, other random freelancer girls for overnights as your experience when I was there was with short times with girls other than the wife.

MY interpretation of things at the time was that they should get the same rate that the booking girls got and be happy about it as they got to keep the whole amount to themselves. I still think that is quite logical (I don't see a huge class difference between the booking girls and freelancers other than freelancers have expensive drug habits), but obviously I don't have the experience in dealing with the disco freelancers that you do, and judging from the amount of shit I got from paying 220K, obviously that payment was controversial.

I am slightly curious, though, how you have learned about the 'going rate', and think possibly you may have been influenced to an extent by inflated figures from your former steady?

I am very, VERY sorry if I made you look bad by being a 'cheapskate'. But I still feel that my crime in the incident involved here was not being as generous as you like to be with your amigas.

I don't want to beat this to death, but looking back at that day/night: The afternoon: A text from me to say 'hi' gets A to invite herself over. Not a problem, but note the dynamic. A's friend then shows up (out of the blue) and they ask me to buy them drugs. As you say, Mx, a decision I approved, surely, but something I wouldn't normally volunteer to do for some girls who invited themselves over to hang out. And in any OTHER mongering (or non-mongering) destination in the world, if sex then resulted, I'd expect it to be FREE. Think about that please, before getting angry.

Of course sex didn't result.

Girls get high, we all go to the apartment when you arrive. We leave, girls don't come with, obviously free to pursue other interests. I think we all know what those other interests were. I know there was an explicit arrangement between you and your girl to hook up at Pacific later, I don't remember well how explicit the agreement between A and myself was, but I did have the expectation that evening of meeting her there.

We all got to the disco somehow and end up together, I am asked for and buy a disco biscuit. After at most an hour and a half at the disco, I took A back to the room for what turned out to be short time -- a very good short time, admittedly, but after 1/2 an hour in the room, A then asked to go back to the disco, saying she'd return.

A comes back in the wee, wee hours because she said she would before she left, then delivers uninspired boom boom after waking me up and occupying my bed all morning.

Regardless of who her friends are, normally when I'm paying for companionship, I expect the companionship at my convenience, not hers. Is this a 'cultural' thing in Batam too? To come and go as one pleases and deliver sex only when the mood strikes and on her time schedule?

Again, I'm VERY sorry that you got involved in the middle of all of this, Mx, but I still have a bad taste in my mouth about the things that happened after A left to go back to the disco and that unhappiness was reflected at comp time. Was I cheap with her in the morning? Admittedly yes. Was I unhappy with her in the morning? Yes. Had the girl not been a friend of your steady's, and by association, yours, as you say, no one really cares too much. BUT, all in all, the bottom line was that she spent 90% of her time that night getting high and at the disco (on my dime) then apparently only wanted to crash in my room and in no mood to make ME happy.

And, in my slight defense, I'd like to note that later that night at the disco all it took was offering to buy a hit of X to have A all OVER me again at the disco and pouting when I had to leave without her.

First off, I am always more than tickled pink to be able to hang out a party with one of my oldest and best mongering buddies. And a little back and forth here isn't going to impact that in any way.

I paid Ida according to the following schedule based upon nights together: 1N 400K, 2N 750K, or 3N 1,000K. Now I generally gave the bulk of compensation when I left town except for a 100K advance in the morning of each day if I was in town multiple days. Later when I became a "sponsor" and we were bf-gf I gave her about $200 Sin a week or 1,000k rupiah.

Would I sport for some Disco biscuits, food, cigarrettes etc.? Yes, but I also would shut down requests at times as well.

Here is what I pay Disco FL. I arrived at these numbers through talking with others and trial and error. I think it is a pretty accurate assessment of the market rate for Disco FL. Perhaps Crazier can comment on whether if his estimates jive.

For a true ST quickie I pay 150K (this is for less than an hour of total interaction);
For a ST with unrushed sex and some outside social time 200K;
For spark flying out my ass multi-shot, or a really crappy LT with early morning exit 250K;
For a SOP unispired LT (eg one session at night and one in the morning) or ST with Meli 300K;
For a really good LT but a morning departure 350K;
For a fantastic LT and departure when I ask early afternoon 400k.

Booking Joints (except PP Bananas, Island Garden and a couple of other premium joints)

ST 100-150K (I will tip 30-50K unless terrible service and then I don't tip)
LT 200-250K (never pay taxi commission) and then I tip 50K for SOP service and 100K for good service)

If my numbers are right, the market rate for booking joints is less than disco FL. If you think that premium is not justified then you should just stick with booking joint girls.

Then again maybe I am just an idiot who has no clue and is paying overinflated prices to my regulars and FL bookings. Actually I am more inclined to think you 220K compensation was stingy for a popular FL who you falsely accused
of stealing money from you and then you fucked three times (yes yes yes I know you only came ONE time with your desensitized over fucked viagra induced blue steel cock.)

For your sitaution with A, I think Blazers had it right, as I too would have given her 300K and explained that I would have been more generous if she had been more attentive to my needs.

As for things being at your convienence, You are still the boss in Batam just like anywhere else. If you didn't want Ayu to go back to the disco, then you tell her to stay. If she is a bitch about you kick her out and pay her ST 150. Girls ask you to buy Shabu, but you don't want. Tell them no. You want to shake a troll in the disco, well then don't buy her a drink. I know it is easier to say than to do these things, but that is true whether you are in Batam, AC, Thailand, Manila or where ever.

(Message edited by mongerx on December 09, 2004)

Re: entertaining working girls in other destinations, at least I understand the costs involved in the bars and the expectations of compensation involved if making a decision to take them out of the bars. Indonesia is just 'different' in this regard, and I will freely admit that I am confused by the change of dynamic. There were certainly situations that I didn't handle well while I was there.

In AC where I have spent a lot of time in bars and spent a lot of nights with girls, my tip at dismissal time can vary from 0 to 500 pesos depending on my mood at the time they are asked to leave and my history/relationship/possible future interaction with the girl. I do not tend to factor in any expenses involved in barhopping, and certainly not meals we have during the time we are together. Barhopping expenses are part of MY evening's entertainment, and not providing meals while a girl is with me for an extended period of time is just plain cruel. If I thought I was being taken advantage of in the 'buy my friends stuff' department, I would indeed hold a grudge.

If I take my date shopping, however, I do view that as part of her compensation, and would not generally tip if I bought her load for her phone or some clothes at the mall or something unless those things were completely my idea and not hers, which in my experience with taking girls shopping is usually the case. 'Flaca' at Voodoo was the only exception to that which comes to mind as she often asked me to buy her things when we were out and about. I didn't resent it, but in my mind, that was her tip. As she was always pretty damned happy to see me, I don't think it was out of line.

When meeting a girl for the first time in a bar, I understand that it's generally a good idea to buy a ladies' drink and I know that this is a sunk cost of barhopping and fully know what I am getting myself into, and if I choose to buy one it's an informed decision.

Contrast all of this with a trip to Pacific disco in Batam with a friend like Mx that draws a swarm of girls around us: Girl hanging around the table approaches me and hangs out for awhile. I'm not sure if I like her or not, and honestly would like to be free to check out possible other options. Buying her a drink seems to me to be a commitment to her, one that I'm not sure I want to make.

But the girl asks me, forcing my hand. If I liked the girl it'd be a no-brainer, but when you're not sure? What's the etiquette there? In Mx's steady's opinion, I was apparently supposed to buy one for anyone that asked. My experience of doing that led to me paying more than $5 (mine cost 2-3) for a drink when the girl ordered something exotic, when I had merely figured she was thirsty.

Next up, 'buy me a disco biscuit'. Again, I'm most decidedly NOT a whale. If I'm buying a disco biscuit, it's as an inVESTMENT in my future for the rest of the evening, hopefully leading to an amazing sexual experience. My first experience doing this was horrible, also with the same girl that soaked me for an expensive drink. She took the money I fronted her and disappeared. Oops.

All in all, I wouldn't buy X for a girl again unless I was pretty damned sure I wanted to ravage her all night and figure that she'd appreciate the gesture and reward me for my generosity. If she got some sort of attitude later, then HELL YES, I think it's relevant that I spent money at her request and wasn't satisfied with my return on investment. But maybe I'm wrong.

Gee I am sorry that girls swarmed us all around in the disco. Remind me why we are there again? Yeah lots of girls approach but it ain't exactly the high pressure lady drink business that you get in the PI. And her drinks do cost the same as yours (which are still damn expensive)

All I say and practice is to say NO to those you don't want to buy for. You never had your hand forced in an AC bar and heard the words "Like to buy the lady a drink sir?" Well I too have heard those words and those of Ida asking me to buy a drink for a friend, or some strange girl asking me to buy a them a drink when I didn't want to. What do I do, If fucking pucker up and feel the shame or anger as I say Sorry or No Thank You.


And I agree with your advice on X purchases. Only buy for those you know are gonna ravage you, and only if YOU WANT to do that for them. Did you get screwed by that one bitch ordering a Long Island ice tea and then dissapearing with your X money absolutely. I ream that cunt a new asshole everytime I see hear. But I always do it staring at her awesome cleavage. She does have great tits.


(Message edited by mongerx on December 09, 2004)

I was indeed cheap with A that morning, and am not particularly proud of how I treated her. I do still think it was a two way street, though.

"as I too would have given her 300K and explained that I would have been more generous if she had been more attentive to my needs"

Maybe this was part of my problem. 300K (35 U.S.) is the base price I'd want to pay for all night -- booking girl or freelancer, and if I'm not happy, that gets discounted (or, on the contrary, IF happy, increased). Sounds like I got in over my head with A if she was expecting more than that. My mistake.

MongerX, you are more generous than I was with the disco girls, and obviously have reaped great rewards from those relationships that I, in my short time in Batam, generally did not. Of course you also have the luxury of repeat dividends (as well as negative consquences for being seen as cheap), which I didn't due to the short time I was there. I again apologize if I in any way misappropriated any of the goodwill that your generosity has built up. It was NOT my intention to do so.

Don't sweat it and sorry if I am raging today. I have a really nasty hangover with trolling and pissing seeming to be the only thing that makes me feel better. I am sure my sterling repuation and goodwill are perfectly intact. You better believe I am absolutely psyched for the day we take the ferry ride together back to Batam (or we break hoagies in Sub-D!) Now I think I will go do something productive like actually finish the next chapter of my AC report

I can't help but laugh at this whole thing being over someone too stingy to pay $35 US for an all-nighter. Porker, if you're feeling like you're paying too much, just go look at a few US websites and what the girls want for all nighters. After you recover from the heart attack you'll be a lot less concerned about that extra $5-10.

Compare those rates to Mexico too while you're at it...

Mx, your probably right about my assessment of Sing guys and their generosity. This was just coming from a couple of guys I met over the weekend in TJ who were Batam regulars and they were going over the points of how the local girls treat Bules as opposed to Sing Chinese. I spoke like an expert in an area I really know nothing about, comes with my job...lol

With regards to other Asian mongers, I know that they overpay and are extremely generous, especially the Japanese....so this was the first time I had heard Asian mongers being cheap.

Phxguy, when you put it that way...

I still think it's relevant that I spent more on drugs for girls that day than I spent on a pretty nice hotel room.

I must be some kind of masochist; I actually read through this thread.

Laguy, I read through the whole thing. It's quite entertaining especially if you ever hung out with Porker, Blazers, etc...

I must admit though that the girls in Porkers picture above look a lot better than his description sound.

Oh, THIS looks like fun!! Actually sat in a Pattaya Inet cafe to read this. So long to read I took a piss break...

Porker

"I paid my 130,000 rupiah"

If I remember correctly, the ST booking fees at Dynasty are 100k.

"I actually tipped my girl 30K rupiah as we were about to leave, and while I didn’t understand a word she was saying, it became pretty clear that she was a little miffed that I didn’t give her more! I was even more confused when I came down and found out that Mx and Epi had gotten NO grief and hadn’t tipped at ALL if memory serves."

I tipped my girl 40k. I pressed it into her hand and she never looked at it a la Thailand.

"Certainly unprovoked by me, Ida ended up inviting yet another friend of hers to join us at dinner, a short, petite, and seemingly a little older chick with a marginal (or less) face (lowlighted by a ring through her nose) but intriguingly small body."

Saw this girl a week or two ago. She's got blonde highlights and looks FUCKING HOT!! Perhaps she's not your cup o' tea, but she sure would have ended up as bule chow for THIS guy if she walked in front of me when I was chumming the waters for puki!!

MX

"is clearly a popular girl who gets 200K for ST and you were basically trying to pay her that for long time."

Gotta agree with this one. Yeah, one load, but three fucks and a LOT of time she COULD have spent trolling the disco for other meat.

She stayed with me LT and I HAPPILY paid her 350k LT. She came back from the disco with me about midnight and after the first shag she seemed content to sleep the night off. The next morning she look some more load and I HAPPILY paid her that money.

Funny how she behaved so differently with us. I peeled off the 50k notes turned away from her, and wrapped them in a 20k bill. I folded them so the 20k was showing, and placed the bundle in her pocket. She never gave it a look - just headed out the door with a smile and a kiss. Oddly enough she was VERY happy to see me later that week!!

Blazers

"Asking a guy to buy you drugs when she is a freelancer may be customary but it is totally out of line."

Gotta cry BULLSHIT with THAT one!! Do you deny ladydrinks in AC or Thai bars? Granted, the "social lubricant" is FAR more expensive, but the rewards are MUCH greater then a few rum and cokes would get ya. Hell, it's less then buying two small beers for a girl in TJ!!

You are applying entertainment models from other venues to THIS one. Apples and oranges my friend...

"I like A as a person and she seems fair but she should have never aired her grievances with Ida because she knew that Ida would get pissed and would get pissed at MX and so on and so forth. It was a bullshit trick to try to get Mx to cajole Porker into upping his tip."

And just who is she GOING to talk to about this?

If YOU received a subpar experience from Ayu, or ANY provider, would you mention it to your friends? Yeah, I think so. You talk about hot/not here all the time. Just because the "forum" she uses is "realtime" does not mean it's any less valid then the stream of electrons we're wasting here. She felt like she was wronged in some way and so she commented to others in her social circle that she was shortchanged - pure and simple.

MX

"Contrary to your constantly saying otherwise, tourist Asian guys pay more for their whores in Asia than western tourist do."

Just look at Singapore, HK, Macau, BKK, AC, etc...

Porker

"MY interpretation of things at the time was that they should get the same rate that the booking girls got and be happy about it as they got to keep the whole amount to themselves."

Two different creatures - once again apples and oranges. This is like paying Manila girls the same as you'd pay BKK or AC girls. Yes, they are physically closer, but still they operate in two completely separate worlds.

Booking joint girls have a LOT of expenses covered along with a "savings plan" built in. The FLs shoulder ALL the costs associated with transportation, lodging, marketing, etc.

"Maybe this was part of my problem. 300K (35 U.S.) is the base price I'd want to pay for all night -- booking girl or freelancer"

We all perform these errors in logic to one degree or another. I gotta say I'm gonna pay a Lucifer's SCORCHING hottie FL or GoGo UBERhottie FAR more then a beerbar girl I find on Soi 8. Yes, she's making more for the same thing... but is it REALLY the same thing? If it WAS the same you'd never leave the beerbar to venture into the gogo or disco, eh?

Blazers

"Mx, your probably right about my assessment of Sing guys and their generosity. This was just coming from a couple of guys I met over the weekend in TJ who were Batam regulars and they were going over the points of how the local girls treat Bules as opposed to Sing Chinese."

A couple of guys who were Batam regulars... Would you call someone paying P100 to TJ SGs cheap or would the guy paying P200 for straight sex be paying too much? Are the Asians in CC destroying that venue with lowball quotes to the ladies? Not the last time I checked...

Everyone

Entertaining read. Your homework today includes spewing MORE funny shit for me to read. This is GREAT!! Hell, it's keeping all those cutiepie FLs on Beach Rd safe from lil' Epi...

Porker

Good report, but you just don't include enough DETAIL and SOUL SEARCHING for me!!

E

I must admit the pricing sounds a little hard to follow-- thanks MX for spelling it out!

hmmmm methinks I need to round up some of these indo hotties skipping around on X and test drive 'em for meself. Shit 20,30,40,50 bucks for a awe inspiring bang don't sound all that bad to me. But of course, I'm in the bay area drooling over washed up koreans right now.

>>>I still think it's relevant that I spent more on drugs for girls that day than I spent on a pretty nice hotel room.

Relevant to you - yep, but to the gal it's just another job perk if she can talk you into buying stuff for her. Whether it seems "logical" to you or not, it seems your trips would be more pleasant for *you* if you considered such activity as tipping in the future. That probably means you'll buy the gal fewer treats, but she'll probably take that better than she will feeling ripped off if you don't pay the going rate for boom-boom.

I can understand the mentality of wanting to keep her happy before the session though - who wants that sweet little eager thing they picked up to turn into an irate grudge fuck looking for the first possible excuse to cut the boom-boom short and go?

PS - I do agree about the freelancer vs bar girl rates seeming out of whack. Most everywhere else freelancers are happy with less than a bar girl would typically cost you. This place seems to be backwards in that regard. Very strange.

As for the dispute, while I agree mediocre service needs to be reflected in the pay, as the ole saying goes, "when in rome do as the romans"

As for the X, hell hook up 'em up to an X pez machine if it makes em any better in the sack--- thar she BLOWS!

"I do agree about the freelancer vs bar girl rates seeming out of whack. Most everywhere else freelancers are happy with less than a bar girl would typically cost you. This place seems to be backwards in that regard."

Ever talked to the highend talent working the discos in Thailand?

E

Nope. What would I learn if I did?

Well Po (my freelancer last trip) amazed me with the ST rates she was getting. While she screwed my brains out for skin cream and some soup, she was getting 2.5-4k ST with an occasional 5k. I verified it first hand as I didn't believe her at first. I was amazed sme dopes are paying that.

It's nice to generalize, but as with most generalizations...

Pheonixguy, contrary to Porker's claim that Booking Joint and FL girls in Batam are perfect substitutes. I disagree, and evidently so does the market, as I tend to find better lookers and performers in the FL selection. But some can have the opposite preferences. As I know much of the rest of Porker's story and he clearly had better luck with Booking Joint girls.

DM,

From what I know of your tastes you will be quite pleased with the Batam scene. Also even though you are less price sensitive than some, I predict you will be kicking yourself for all the dollars and time you spent in OT once you realize the dollar value you get for the hot brown girls who fuck great in Batam.

heheh ya I thought I was getting the bargain of the century paying SIN100ST and SIN150-200LT at OT all this time !

I'm sure I'll be quite happy as long as they are a horned bunch of wolverines... It's been 4 weeks since my last mongering excusion, so I'm rearing and ready

You should be congratulated on the prices you are negotiating at OT. Those are pretty low and much lower than average. I have a hard time finding an acceptable one at those rates (and we know I ain't to picky) but you are much more patient than I as well.

Those rates are what I pay for repeat sessions. When I first meet quality talent at OT I typically pay 200SIN LT. They usually are anxious for more action on other days, and I don't bike easily (I like to scope out new talent)... what usually happens is they start dropping their prices to entice me. I bite when the looks and skill is worth the repeat session.

... the cheapest hottie I've had at OT was 150SIN LT-- still a tad more expensive then your friends in Indo

Phoenixguy

The hottest girls in Thailand do NOT work bars (contrary to what you might think while barhopping Patpong on NEP). Some of the VERY BEST FLESH in this country freelances outta the discos.

There are significant advantages to this for the uberhottie. She's not dodging mamasans and drinks all night (every night), come and go as she pleases, can easily clear schedule for $$$raks when they come to town and do not fork over that barfine money to the house. These girls will ask for (and get) obSCENE amounts of cash for ST and LT. They need money like this to pay for drugs, Thai BFs, etc. The clothes and apartments are oftentimes paid for directly by the suckers thinking "she has customers, but she LOVES me!!" Yeah, whatever...

E

Epi, that's all good, but one thing that turns me off faster than anything else is a girl acting like she's worth more than every other gal in town. And it's not about the money, it's about the attitude.

Once in a club in North Carolina I asked a girl to go to the VIP room for some lap dances. She came back with some line about her dances being a few dollars more than the other girls, followed by the inevitable "but they're worth it". Despite having already gotten up and walked about 10-15 feet toward the VIP room, I immediately told her "oh, well then - no thanks", and went back to my seat. She tried to come down in price then, but I was done with her. Somehow I really doubt I missed out on much.

Those girls can ask for obscene amounts of cash, but it'll be some other fool paying it, when there are tons of other very cute girls who are quite happy to go with me for normal rates.

Some pics of Planet Disco Fuck Machine

(Message edited by porker on December 11, 2004)

Planet Disco fuck machine

Photos: Planet Disco 104 105

You know that you are a hardcore monger when you can read through this entire thread with interest. I'm proud that I flunked that test but just barely.

"Those girls can ask for obscene amounts of cash, but it'll be some other fool paying it, when there are tons of other very cute girls who are quite happy to go with me for normal rates."

It's not about paying obscene amounts of cash - it's about paying the going rate for a particular girl. If you do not like paying disco FL prices, stay in the other venues.

When I go to a stripclub that has $30 lapdances, I do not pay the going rate at the club where the dances are $20. Girls do not pricematch.

Now, your stripper that claims her dances are "worth more" - yes - she deserved to be kicked to the curb. However, when EVERY uberhottie in the disco is charging a certain rate you gotta pay or buy someplace else.

Let's face it - it's ALL the same product. It's all a pussy that lays in your bed and wraps itself around your dick - it's the features and pretty wrapping paper we're paying for, eh? The point is are you gonna go to Nordstrom and say "I saw a jacket JUST LIKE THIS ONE down at JC Pennys. Give it to me for that price" or are you just gonna go to Pennys and buy the coat.

This is not American retail where you can request pricematching. Jesus Tittyfucking Christ I WISH it was!!

E

Let's hope for a 30 day refund policy in LoS !!

Excellent analogy btw.

Photos integrated into chapter.

soccer, LOL...

Don't you love it when people think that the collective opinion of their own group matches that of the larger population? As the general opinion shifts toward extreme versions of their common beliefs, they become tone-deaf to the way they sound to others outside their closed circle of belief…

What used to be a mutual admiration society has detoriated to philosophical sparring. And about what--buying or not buying fucking disco biscuits for Asian street meat.

Let's cut to the chase. Porker is from Monterrey. Duh. I not only understand the mentality, I embrace it...