I've had the opportunity to spend 5 or 6 days immensely enjoying Buenos Aires. I hadn't been for several years. Some things have changed, but, all-in-all, the city may be the best in the world for a cosmopolitan mongering experience at a (very) fair price.

Each experience is worthy of an individual report, which I will get to assuming I go forward with a relationship with this board. In the mean time, a quick review of the institutionalized girls I encountered:

1. Rafaella from Cattos

Very comfortable in her profession. Superior body with natural C's, butterfly fetish (jewelry, business card, and tattoos all sport them), bleached-blond, early 20's, no kids.

She has a very soothing manner of speach.

She comes highly recommended, so I'm SURE YMMV. My mileage kind of sucked, though, by BA standards. BBBJ after persuasion, barely LFK, enthusiastic sex.

It's hard to complain, really. She spent 12-hours with me, although a good portion of it sleeping. We did manage time for 3 sessions between mini-bar raids. $200 pesos plus $50 tip.

I do not have absolute evidence that she stole from the hotel, but darn near. There was a $55 charge in the spa and 2 snack charges totalling $19, all occurring within 2-hours of her departure from my room. The hotel took responsibility, but it still is a bit annoying. She knows I hang out with some respected mongers (lol) and that we have a community of sorts. We had a pleasant rapport. I would have paid for a manicure across the street were she to have asked. Anyway, it could have been a wild coincidence, but I'd only been in the hotel a day and I did not contract with anyone else while I was there, so chances are...

2. Romina from Cattos

Also highly recommended to me. Good friends with Rafaella, it turns out. Great experience, however.

Tiny thing. 5' maybe. 110lbs. maybe. BBBJ, great sex, good massage, crazy attitude. $200+ $50 tip for around 11 hours, much of it rubbing her while she slept.

Definitely repeat.

3. Carol Esmeralda 847 12A, massage place

Beautiful, tiny, strong and sweet. $110 1-hour massage, CBJ and sex. Kissing on lips. No chance of BBBJ or anything. They all seem to treat your organ like a vehicle of death until they get it covered there. Nonetheless, I'd recommend her for having a perfect 21-year old body and a pleasant demeanor.

That's a start. I'll see how this posts and add later.

Slick

That's pretty funny that girl took advantage of the hotel spa after she left your room! Not sure how you could prevent that except to walk her out the front door, or stay at a hotel that requires card access to the spa or some other security measure. Thanks for the heads up in case I run into her at Cattos. Is 200p pretty much the going rate for TLN there, or did you just get a really good deal?

We haven't had much new info lately from BA, so hope you can post more if you have more to share.

Esteban

They started higher than 200, and, on the advice of a dickhead friend of mine, I try not to negotiate time, at least until after price. If you take them late enough, water them, feed them, etcetera, it just seems to happen. Twice in a row, at least. My ex-pat buddies actually scolded me for paying too much...

The hotel absorbed the cost. Apparently, they never even asked for my name. She doesn't come across as a hooker, which she apparently used to her advantage.

Early in the night, she confirmed 200 pesos, not dollars. I couldn't help but laugh. My buddies really would have blown a gasket. I thought she was joking, knowing that I came in with the regular guys, but, perhaps, she decided she needed a premium added to her fee and tip for so many hours of hard labor. Anyway, I'm only a little annoyed. Under the right circumstances, I could see taking her out again, in fact.

Slick

Slick,

Personally, I never negotiate time or price. If she brings up a $$ amount and/or time, then we ether agree or disagree. That is is the only time I will ever talk about it. That has led to some pretty satisfying relationships and friendships.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

200 pesos is a norm at the clip joints. I hit alot of them off paraguay on my 2am stroll. I was pretty drunk one night and couldn't find a thing. Girls were out, but after leaving Rio I was cruical. 200 pesos for TLN is not bad, but she would have to be an 7 1/2 +
The problem with the girls are the clubs get a cut. I tired working a deal at Madahos for TLN and they wouldn't go for it.
I paid 150 pesos for about two hours. No tips, no taxi fare. Plus my drink fee, I paid 200 pesos.
How much was your exit fee at cattos?
The best place is still Black's.
Websites still offer the best deals.

CN

I'm primarely interested in TLN. I've never been to BA, but my experiences in other countries have been best when I don't have to worry about the girl bolting at any given moment.

I'm not that famaliar with the prices. I think my ideal budget would be 150USD or less for all-niter. If the girl was a real knockout with stellar reviews I guess I could go 225USD. Any higher and I might as well stay closer to home.


Two things specific to BA I'd be interested in knowing. Do the girls make a huge scene if you refuse to pay upfront? I've never been ripped off for all-nite pricing yet, and I'd really enjoy keeping that streak. Where is the most reliable place to pickup women TLN. Most reliable meaning the combination looks, attitude, and price. For that matter, which clubs are least likely to result in an affordable all-niter. The short-term stuff doesn't interest me at all, so I'd like to save myself the time and trouble of visiting clubs where all-nite is off the menu or too expensive. I am considering giving Salome a try judging by online reviews.

I remember reading that escorts-argentina had the most authentic pictures. However, many are the same as pictured on playtum(excuse the spelling). Is this still the most reliable site for booking indepenants online? How accurate are the photos?

The photos are accurate in the sense that the girl in the picture is the girl that is going to show up. They are inaccurate in the sense that girls post pictures that make them look good so if you expect the real thing to be as beautiful as the picture, you are likely to be disappointed.

Since the girls are independent, I'm not sure I'd trust the on-line booking facility. Better to call the girl directly. If the girl only speaks Spanish and you don't, you might want to contact Roxana at roxanawsg@pobox.com and ask her to make the appointment for you. She charges $US 10 per appointment and has always done a great job for me.

Unlike some places (Rio, Thailand come to mind) where the girl might want to do TLN because she is sharing a shithole room with 3 other girls, I have not found the girls in BA to be that interested in TLN. They are willing but it's always cost me more than it was worth in retrospect. The hot ones off the Internet want $AR400 for 2 hours so TLN isn't going to be cheap.

If you contact a girl through escorts-argentina or platynum, you are immediately pegged as a rich gringo. It's going to be a lot cheaper if you make an "in-person" deal with a girl from a place like Catto's, Cafe Orleans, or an apartment (many of the apartments are just independent groups of Internet girls). But remember that they are negotiating deals every day so they are likely to be much better at it than you. But a reasonable price for 2 hours through those sources is $AR150-200 and TLN for $AR300-400.

Black's and Madahos are not places to be looking for an affordable all-nighter. Catto's, Hook's, and Ness are better possibilities.

Under no circumstances pay in advance. Make that clear from the beginning and, if she changes her mind back at your room, kick her ass out with $AR10 for taxi fare and start over. It's only happened once to me (with a girl from Excedra that also pulled the "Pesos? No, I meant dollars." scam) but when I made it clear that it was pesos paid at the end or no deal, she folded her cards. I still ended up overpaying for underdelivery but that's largely my mongering fate.

I'd personally not recommend letting pursuit of TLN rule your life in BA. The market wants you to take 2 hours and fighting the market is usually expensive and painful.

I'll give you one other caution. Don't go to BA expecting it to be crawling with beautiful women. There are some but the average working girl in BA isn't close to the average in Sao Paulo. However, BA is a safer, more sophisticated, and more interesting city to visit than SP. But for pure mongering, SP is way ahead of BA.

//he best place is still Black's.
Websites still offer the best deals.
//

I don't think I can agree with either of these statements. From recent reports particularly, Black has become a distant 2nd to Madahos in that genre. Both are considerably more expensive than the triangle. Regulars pay $120-$180 for indeterminate amount of time, and the girls range from 6-8.5, not really any different from Black or Madahos. Exit fee is one drink, which was 20 pesos, I think.

The best "deals" for price have to be the apartamentos. The best "deal" for establishing a strong rapport and not spending a fortune might be Excedra or Orleans, the best "deal" for an extended period with a GFE may well be the triangle. The best "deal" for convenience may be the internet. The best "deal" for impressing friends and spending company money may be Black or Madaho's.

Just opinions.

Slick

Slick,

The best of the best is different in everyone's eyes, but you have itemized it very accurately.

Moondog

Thanks for the advice. Clubhombre is a great
forum.

No one need worry about girls walking all over
me, because I have a budget I stick to. The
prices I posted are all it's worth to me. If
the girls don't take it, I just have that much
more money to venture off to a land more in line
with my budget. It's not do or die for me as I'll
be going on another excursion as soon I touch down.

It sounds like BA might have been a poor choice for me, only time will tell. I'm pretty tough to please, because I place so much emphasis on the overall experience. If the girl won't allow DFK, she's going to get the boot everytime. If the girl doesn't act like she wants to be there, she's getting the boot. If the girl throws a fit, I'm calling security. Believe me, I learned the hard way that once you smell the smoke, you better avoid the ensuing flames to come.

Everywoman...

I think BA was an excellent choice. I've had some fantastic "overall" experiences there. We talk a lot about the transaction and money here, but, once parameters are determined, they rarely come up with the chica.

If DFK is of utmost importance to you, there shouldn't be any problem discussing it first. That's not an outlandish request, and around 20-30% probably do it without any persuasion. To close the deal, I bet 70-80% will accommodate you.

Exactly 1/2 of the girls I've been with from the triangle did on the first date. If you use Roxana, you can tell her EXACTLY (believe me, you could not shock this young woman) what you expect. She will make sure that you and your girl are compatible.

BA is 10X better than CR for negotiating with the girls, and CR is 10X better than TJ, for reference.

I've not known any monger to return from BA, particularly after researching, unhappy (except for the unhappiness of going home). I doubt you'll be the first.

Have a GREAT time.

Slick

Slickwings, I've never had a problem negogtiating in CR. If it's any easier than that, shit, it must be pretty laid back.

I always discuss the terms in advance. I only break the deal if the girl goes back on a promise.
I never get loud, argue, or threaten the girls in any manner. If a deal is broken and she tries to argue, I call security. I've had good luck with this protocol since I don't pay in advance. On rare occasions I've had hotels refuse to renew my room, though.

The kissing thing isn't because it's important to me. The providers that don't DFK have typically turned out to be rip-offs for me in other regards as well. It's something I call an indicator behavior.

Sorry for this boring, useless post. I came across as sounding overly rigid and like I go around looking for something to argue with the girls about. I just wanted to clarify that this isn't the case at all.

Thanks for the support and encouragement,


EWH

There is some very good BsAs advice in this thread. For TLN, the best place to look is in the triangle or Jazz, on Reconquista. These days almost all of the Recoleta clubs have house rules about how long the girl can be gone, usually two hours. In the triangle there is more flexibility.

Regarding your kissing preferences, in some clubs such as Ness, take the girl of your dreams upstairs..sit, chat, drink, dance and make out for a while. You will get a good feel for how she will be later, including her reaction to the exchange of tounges....In my experience, the more she likes you the longer she stays. An extra drink in the bar can pay huge dividends later.

Pirate,

Maybe we can put that to the test on Saturday.

Moondog

Pirate, I'm assuming the girls work for the clubs rather than independantly then? I just kind of assumed the clubs existed solely to make money off the drinks.

In the clubs that "employ" the girls, what happens if you complain about being ripped-off? I'm again going out on a limb and guessing the hypothetical customer would be told to F-off? However, if the club manager cared to track her time it would be kind of hard to deny she'd stayed with the hypothetical customer longer than is true

I'll be sure to hit this triangle place. I don't want a lot of headaches, so that sounds like a plan.

The Internet girls are generally asking around
225USD for 12hrs. I have not even tried to negotiate thus far. If they look anywhere even remotely close to the photos and I can verify they are known-good providers that might be a deal. My only concern being someone suggested Internet girls' service might be lousier than club girls. Thus, my search for references prior to departure.

I hope my thousands of questions isn't annoying
everyone. I think I'm starting to get a grip on the situation alas.

I've seen two girls from Platynum in the last 6 months. I saw Anna in September and was quite happy with her looks, attitude, and performance. She speaks excellent English. I think I paid $AR200-250 for 2 hours. Next, I saw Cari in January at $AR400 for 2 hours. Extremely sexy looking but was too quiet and too conservative for me to recommend (no DFK, CBJ). I'll definitely repeat with Anna next trip. I could see spending 12 hours with her.

I would say the pictures of both girls are accurate. Cari has tastefully sized bolt-ons.

I don't think you need to worry too much about getting ripped off by the club girls in a place like Catto's. Just remember that the girls in New Port are completely independent of the clubs and the girls in Excedra and Orleans having nothing to do with the cafes.

The big advantage of club and cafe girls is that you have a chance to chat with them before making a decision. The big advantage to apartment girls is that you can do a cheap 1/2 hour session and arrange to see them later if you click. BTW, the apartment girls are usually available for takeout as well. The apartments can be a bit basic.

The normal practice in BA is that rates are quoted as $ARxxx + taxi. $AR10-20 goes a long way in a BA taxi but I've paid $AR50 on occasion. Best to make sure the taxi amount is agreed in advance.

Hóla Everywomanshero

I can give more info. I'm learing spanish and will go to Bs As for 1 year in August. I follow the local boards in spanish. Surely you can find good deals for TLN, but most reports are for 1 hour sessions. On the wsgforum you can look for the username " Latinaaddict". He reads the local mayor newspaper "Clarin" and find young fresh girls for 40-50 ARS/hs or 120 for TLN.

Both at the clubs, internet and newspapers you can find girls that speak a little english and, if you tell her that your interest is TLN, she might understand. If she likes you she might stay anyway as a girlfriend!

Remember that many girls often goes home emptyhanded, even if they are tuff negociators! You have a advantage in this.

El_Viking

Strider.

I agree generally with you. But if you look at the local boards you can find Jasmin or Connie for 80ARS/hs at Platynum, and those are both HOT girls. I have also read about a Platynum girl , sweet & liberal for 50/hs. The local boards can help you reduce your costs with 50%, that's my opinion.

//But if you look at the local boards you can find Jasmin or Connie for 80ARS/hs at Platynum, and those are both HOT girls.//

That's something I haven't done -- peruse the local boards. Could you provide a referral or 2?

Thanks,

Slick

El_Viking: Thanks dude, I'll intergrate the local boards into my game. I'll use "a taxi driver told me that you...." instead of mentioning the board itself.

Totally off the subject. What's a good hotel or apartment close to the spots I'm interested in (the triangle) or is this a bad place to stay? I'm afriad to book an unknown hotel. Just imagine if I got the girl hooked up on a sweet deal and the hotel booted her!

Lots of decent hotels in that area. I've stayed at the Pestana and the Howard Johnson's Florida. Pestana is nicer but more expensive. The Marriott is right there as well as two Loisuites. I hear the Marriott rooms are not that great. I've only stayed at the Loisuites in Recoleta but it was nice (maybe a 1/2 star better than the Pestana).

I'm arriving in BA for my first trip on Friday, March 4th. I'm definitely going to session while there, and there are a couple of things that are very important to me:

DFK
BBBJ (CIM or facial)
Multiple Shots

Does anyone have a can't miss recommendation or should I just go to Roxana with a list of a few girls of the website and tell her what I want? I'm not sure I want to play the games at the clubs because I'm not sure that I will be able to negotiate it as well because although I speak passable spanish I don't know my "sex terms" well.

Also, is it better to work in Pesos or USD? The right girl is much more important than the price, although I'd like to get a good deal also.

(Message edited by HenryHill on February 24, 2005)

Try Aby of www.escorts-argentina.com. She also has photos as Satin on www.area-vip.com.ar.

She is all of the things that you want, very good at responding via email and phone, and is always on time. Negotiate in Pesos only.

Moondog

Thanks. I'll let you know how it works out.

Update on my TLN search. The triangle turned out to be a set of clip joints and the girls would only negotiate for a single hour. The one escort I tried from escorts-argentina, Tracy, was a bait and switch with a terrible attitude. One girl from Newport agreed TLN for 70$US but later demanded payment upfront. I had to call hotel security to get her removed. Another girl from Newport was a sweetheart and did TLN for 200pesos with a little persuasion. Knockout from Excedra did 6+ hours on various occasions for 300 pesos. Overall, not bad considering the quality of looks. The main thing that could have made my experience better was negotiating every detail before leaving the bar with a girl. If there is ever a next time in BsAs, I'll be less sensitive and not allow the girls with bad attitudes to get to me. Still way better than anything in the States or Europe considering the prices we are paying down there.

Strider wrote:

"so if you expect the real thing to be as beautiful as the picture, you are likely to be disappointed. "
I'll give you one other caution. Don't go to BA expecting it to be crawling with beautiful women. There are some but the average working girl in BA isn't close to the average in Sao Paulo"
-----------------


Wow
Two very direct, honest and seemingly unfortunately true statements.

From recent reading and looking at lots of photos from veteran respected monger experts I am sadly beginning to realize that the hotties I see on Escorts Argentina and expected to see in droves in BA do not exist.

I am very picky in looks and body and am not rich so when I pay I expect to get exactly what I want at least in the looks and body category.

I see that I may have an entirely unrealistic idea of the looks of BA women and for the ones that do exist it seems the pricing is all over the map that my heading is spinning.

One minute someone is quoting $130 total or less for two hours for a hottie than the next minute I am reading $300 US /for one hour which is absurd as that is available in abundance right here in LA and even in Vegas.

I have been trying to motivate myself with a trip to BA as a reward for getting a new job and getting out of my current financial and living situation. Reading these reports and looking at the "real pics" does not seem to be helping in the motivation department.

I have long touted BA to other mongers as a haven for beautiful inexpensive what I think of as playmate types. Seems more and more I might be a
bit delusional in this evaluation.
,,.

Moondog,

You and Pirate are two respected mongers that I hope to someday meet in BA.

Thanks for posting the pic of Aby as this is exactly what I am talking about.

Your real pic of Aby makes her look much older, at least five years or more than her pics. I prefer girls who look younger. Also she is not nearly as attractive as she looks in some of her shots on the website.

I know many people do not photograph well but many do. A at one time close friend of mine has many shots of TJ chicas and almost every chica looks exactly like her photo in person.

I guess once I am ready to go I can contact you with pics of girls that are my type and then you can advise me if they or similar really do look that good in person.

Slickwings

Thanks for the info.

Without me looking up all your posts what is your experience in TJ?

You say BA is 10x better than CR and CR is 10x better than TJ.

I do Ok in TJ so that means I should have no problems in BA at all.

However from reading EWH's very candid detailed BA trip report he kept mentioning all these women with bad attitudes.

That would not in my book rate as 100x times easier negotiating than TJ.

Maximus743,

There is nothing wrong with Aby. You would be proud to have her on your arm at dinner.

Moondog

Max: I think you're worrying over nothing.
The picture Moondog posted is worse looking
than any girl I had in BsAs, and I was only
paying 300 pesos for 4+ hours including a
TLN for 200 pesos.

It is true that there are a lot of ugly dogs
there. Just ignore them and go for the hotties.
It's really not that difficult. I would stay the
hell away from the escort sites. It's not worth
taking any chances when good looking women are
so easily available for little money elsewhere.

I cannot imagine anyone paying 130USD for 2 hours.
That would be a huge ripoff even from awesome
looking girls. 300 pesos is like 100 USD and I
received 4+ hours from the best looking girl I
ever saw in BsAs for that on several occasions.

I think that 200 pesos for an hour, or 300 pesos
for 4 hours will go a long way and secure most girls in BsAs. I'm sure there are hard bargainers that get them even cheaper, but this is the maximum amount I would be willing to pay.

Moondog

I am sure Amy is fine. I was just pointing out how I keep seeing and hearing how the girls are not looking like their pics on the websites.

I am in the Entertainment business and casting directors get pissed all the time when girls come in not looking exactly like their pics. My headshots look exactly like me in person.

EWH,

I am glad to hear there are many affordable hotties in BA. From some of Moondog and others photos, reviews and the websites I always believed that to be true and encouraged others to go to BA over LOS and PI.
However since my ticket I must use is on continental airlines I may be forced to go to Rio after all.

Maximus743,

I'm not sure that you can draw a parallel between casting directors and mongers. Girls picking the best pictures isn't something unique to BA. It's the same in Rio. That's why you tend to get the best result from a venue where you can meet and talk to the girls before making a choice. Buying based on a picture in a catalog is always risky.

My top line experience is:

LOS - zillions of cute, friendly girls but performance is a little weak.

Brazil - lots of very sexy girls that really know how to have a good time.

Argentina - not as many cute girls or great performers but more educated and sophisticated. All my best experiences have been with girls that came recommended rather than picked off the web or picked up in a club. Rumor has it that most of the young hotties fled Argentina for better places after the economy collapsed.

I've been back to all three places this year and, while I like them all, BA remains #1 in my book. But that's me and I like older women (30-35) with brains. I think BA might well be #3 for a hardcore monger, trophy hunter, or monger that likes to be "in charge".

Strider, I know this is a BA forum, but on my
next tour I'm considering adding on RIO, GRU,
or RIO/GRU to the BA leg. It wouldn't seem to
cost must more in airfare. Trying to determine how to budget my time.

I don't like arguing or having problems as I'm not a confrontational person. How would you rate the attitudes of women in RIO to BA? I know that's a hard thing to rate because every woman is different. However, I remember reading that women in RIO can be very pushy. Does this seem to be an accurate statement or just humor?

I've met cold bitches in all three cities and I've met warm wonderful women in all three cities so I'm not sure I can make a generalization. I wouldn't view it as a consideration in making a choice.

For sheer options as far as fucking your brains out, Sao Paulo is far ahead of both BA and Rio. But as people are fond of pointing out, you only need to find one girl to have a great time. BA has the best quality of life, Rio has the best beaches, and Sao Paulo has the best mongering.

If you have the time, do all three. Rio has the best weekend scene and Sao Paulo the worst when planning your routing.