Brazil from Asia
In my 4 Asia trips across 4 countries, I found many attractive girls, but not a lot of variance in looks. A vast majority of the girls are slim asians with long black hair. One of the nice things about Brazil is the variety of girls. You have petite girls and Amazons. You have fair skinned and tanned. You have blonds, brunettes, and redheads. You have caucasians and blacks, and a variety of other racial mixes. However, what is for the most part consistent is the typical body type which is very fit and curvy. You'll find few overweight girls in either Asia or Brazil, but in Brazil they are curvier with some spectacular asses.

You may initially be uncomfortable with some of the taller girls, knowing what you know about taller girls in Asia, but you have nothing to worry about in Rio. The termas and popular clubs will have all genuine girls. The transvestites on the street are easy to identify.

The closest thing to the Thailand soapy massage is the terma. I've told several friends that I thought Heaven would be a Brazilian in a soapy. Imagine a soapy massage parlor where you could go into the fishbowl to choose your girl and they were allowed to touch and kiss you to sell themselves to you. You'd have music playing and could order beer and watch the girls dance before you went back to the room. That's the lounge area of a terma!

The lounge area is nicer, in the style of a nightclub, but the rooms are not as nice. They are typically very small with little more than a bed, so you don't get the benefit of bathing with the girl or the slip and slide on the soapy mattress. There are no TVs, music occasionally, but no stereo systems like can be found in some of the nicer soapys.

Brazil doesn't touch Thailand when it comes to sheer volume of girls. You won't find a beer bar scene or anywhere close to the number of nightclubs with working girls as there are go-go's in Thailand or the Philippines. The action is limited to termas and freelancers in a few areas. There is no real street scene in Rio unless you consider the girls along the beach and in front of the Beach Cafe's working the street.

Safety is also considerably different than what you're used to. While it might seem perfectly fine to walk down a dimly lit street alone in Pattaya or Bangkok, it would be inanely foolish in Rio. Be aware of the crime potential and be safe.

Despite the safety differences and nicer massage parlor facilities in Thailand, I much prefer Brazil! Keep in mind, though, that the vacation will be significantly more expensive. Prepare to budget at least $50/night for lodging and $50-$70 per girl. Still, it's definitely well worth it!

Brazil from Argentina

I've seen some interesting comparisons between Rio and Buenos Aires with arguments on both sides of which is better, here's where I offer my impressions. Note that after this report, I will attempt to offer a similar style report on Argentina.

The most noticable difference, in my opinion, is the average age of the working girl. In Rio they tend to be younger, perhaps early twenties, while I'd peg the average in Argentina at late twenties or so.

I'd give the edge in body types to Brazilians by a wide margin, but it will probably be a lot closer for you if tits are important. The Argentina chicas are much more likely to have bigger tits, but a good number of them will be fake. Almost none will have the highly erotic tan lines common in Brazil.

My sexual experiences were excellent in Argentina, but they were better in Brazil. I've read many opinions that have been the opposite. It's made me wonder if we're using the same definition of GFE. If we're talking about sexual willingness and desire, I would say Brazil is better. If we're talking about hanging out and doing stuff beyond the sex, then I would say Argentina. Since I'm one of the ultimate horizontal guys, I clearly preferred Brazil. This is of course just my personal experience and opinion, and probably biased due to my preference with how Brazilians looked.

My personal observation is that older guys and more vertical ones prefer Argentina. Young horizontal hunters like myself are partial to Brazil. From what I've heard, all the Tijuana guys that Athos knows much preferred Rio over Buenos Aires. I can be included in that group.

As for the locations, the night club facilities are fewer in Brazil. You mainly just have Help Disco and the Lido Area which consists of several clubs. All of them charge a cover, so you can't just walk in and hangout like at Newport. However, Help Disco offers a huge selection, probably matching that of a good number of clubs in BA put together.

What BA doesn't have are termas, which really set Brazil on a level above everywhere else.

Brazil from Costa Rica

If you haven't made it beyond San Jose, you really, really need to get out to a place like Brazil. Take the hottest Blue Marlin chicas and throw them in at Idems and you still don't have close to what you can expect in Brazil. There is no Del Rey/Blue Marlin equivalent in Brazil, so your outdates will involve a cab ride back to your hotel or to a love motel. Better yet are the termas, see my Terma chapter for more information on that.

The volume of chicas in Brazil is much, much higher than what you're used to. You have Help Disco, which would kind of be like if you turned Infinito into a freelance prostitute place, plus the nightclubs, and all the termas. Help Disco alone probably provides more chicas than all the places in San Jose put together.

Keep in mind that the Spanish you've picked up in Costa Rica will only be of limited use in Brazil, but it will have little to no effect on your enjoyment due to the Brazilians incredible sexual nature.

I had a high percentage of GFE sessions in Costa Rica, but it was nothing like Rio with a 100% flawless frenching success rate and my first anal and first rim job.

The safety factor is not much different in Rio than in San Jose. Don't walk around by yourself at night. Better yet, don't walk around at all, take inexpensive cabs.

Don't delay, get to Brazil. But be wary that you may never be able to look at San Jose the same way again.

Brazil from Tijuana

Wow, what can I say? When I learned what was available in Costa Rica, I yearned for similar experiences upon returning to TJ. When I fell in love with Thailand, continuing to go to TJ became more and more difficult. Now that I've been to Brazil, it's blown the other locations out of the water.

The scene is much larger in Brazil, so you have many more options of girls and places to visit. The beach is a five minute walk if you stay at Roiss or Debret and it's a nice beach, unlike the shores of Tijuana or Rosarito. All the clubs are straight up. There's no such thing as a bill switch scam. Waiters do not attack you with cheese plates.

The Girls: I think a lot of TJ fans get used to the body types in AB. I've done over 300 girls from TJ, and I have to say at least 80% had kids and it showed. Of course there were nice bodies in that 300, but too many had fake body parts, were overweight, etc...

The average body type is really hardly imaginable if you only know TJ. I swear that Smith, Mahogany, Africa, Jenny CC, and others would be nothing special in Rio, competition is way too rough.

But the most important thing to me, and what has me really not too interested in returning to TJ, is the cleanliness factor. Ever since I returned from my last trip to Thailand, every visit with a girl in TJ was dominated by thoughts of when the girl last showered. In most places in the world, even Cambodia, the girls clean before or after every session. It took about 10 trips after Thailand to convince me to just wait until my next overseas trip. Out of about 10 sessions, not one of them took a full shower. Every single one was a sink cleanup at best. Most attractive stunners in TJ = 10 sessions/day or more. Most attractive stunners in Brazil = 2 or 3 sessions/day max with a shorter work week.

Finding GFE in TJ takes skill, practice, and sometimes luck. GFE is practically a given in Rio. What has always amazed me is the lack of "customer service" and comprehension of business strategy to win repeat customers. The list of girls in TJ who practice is relatively few: Tanya, Candi, Smith, Gloria...anyone else? Maybe it's cultural, because AB, CC, and Tropical are making foolish business decisions as well.

Prices are comparable except you receive more time in Brazil and the girls and facilities are much nicer. This doesn't apply, though, if you do street girls. But if you do TJ street girls we really don't relate anyways because I've found so few of them attractive. The most attractive to me was Guadalupe, and I consider her considerable down the scale from Smith, who is considerable down the scale from many Brazilians.

Anyways, imagine the most attactive TJ girl that you know in her prime with no kids and no fake body parts with skills exceeding the famous Tania, and place her in your room at Pueblo Amigo. You still don't touch Brazil.

d'Artagnan,
You are my man. I agree with all...well said
You should go to Cuba, only place I heard may give Brazil some competition.
Hope to hear your future Cuba-Brazil matchup

I want to hear the Cartagena matchup as well ... and the Prague matchup as well...Thanks for comparisons...I am leaning towards doing a Sao Paulo run in November, Brazil matchup. I do find Mahogany and Jenny attractive but nowhere near Rio upper crest talent.

d"Artagnan:
I agree with your report comparing Brazil and TJ, except for the comparison in the girls' cost. In L'uomo I think it was 90 Reais for the girl (which is about $34 USD). In help, many garotas agreed on 100 Reais ($37 USD) for a couple of hours.
I have pictures of the beaches, but I don't know how to put them on the computer (computer illiterate). I guess I'll send them to Hombre.

D'Art, simply an awesome report. Your very detailed comparisons are enormously helpful.

I too am "evolving" through the TJ, CR, Thailand, and (hopefully RIO) progression. I'm stuck in the Thailand stage now. I'm looking forward to going to RIO very soon.

You noted this briefly about the variety of gals in Brazil. But as a guy who is mesmerized by the THAI girl physique = slender firm bodies, nice tits, and tight pussy, will there be a good represntation of such types in Brazil? I keep envisioning "Amazon" warrior girls if you know what I mean. Thanks. Merl.

Thanks everyone! Both Cuba and Colombia are on the list. However, with neither one having termas and the political situation in those places, I doubt they'll be able to top Brazil overall.

Merlin, there will be plenty of what you're looking for and plenty more. Check out Eli and Indy in the photos. Something like that, right?

dartagnan, as an "older, more vertical" guy...I love Argentina...though I have never been to Rio, so I cannot compare....great report....

Athos: I've done Prague, and in essence, your Rio performance score of 3-4 is the average score in Prague. Prague has many stunning women, but what you find in the business, for the most part, are not the stunners -- far from it. After doing 5-7s (photos always look better, if the photgraphed women are really there), I went for a true 10: a taller and curvier Cindy Crawford. About $100 for an hour of which less than half involved sex. Of course, she was mechanical and the performance score was low, but what the hell. Your Rio performance score of 7 is about as high as you will get here with more restrictions.

But you will have to get Prague out of your system. So, go and have a good time. By North American and West European standards, it isn't too bad a place to go. I had high expectation for this place. The escort/privat sites have many lookers, and the prices seem good. However, the average score in looks (what you actually find), performance and what you get for for your buck comes nowhere near to Rio. Take your average Rio looks score and discount a third, take your average Rio performance score and discount by half, and you then have Prague. I considered giving Prague another chance, but then I went to Rio...

BTW, I found the language almost incomprehensible. I don't have a facility for foreign languages, and trying to understand Czech was a real struggle for me. I didn't even try to speak it. Some women will hang up the phone when you speak English.

dA'rt says "Finding GFE in TJ takes skill, practice, and sometimes luck."

hmmmm...

These days, every time I go to TJ, I find a new wife. It seems my skill has become too advanced.

Since d'Art continues to trash TJ on Mexico board, I would like to make some points here.

First, his comparison is no way scientific. He is comparing one trip to Brazill with "countless" trips to TJ. The novelty factor, or the sense of "exploration", is always big in whoring, especially for horizontal mongers like him.

But, what I question is his declaration that TJ chicas lack "customer service", or strategy to win repeat customers. And I say, come on.

Why do CC chicas survive on max 3 hours of rush time (11-2 am) every night, including Fri/Sat nights? This is because MOST of CC chicas hook up with their BFs/novias/sugardaddies/patrons, or even simple "regulars" who come from the US. Some even marry them. This is the ULTIMATE repeat business for them. For example, my novia has 6 "exclusive" regulars (i.e. when she is in house, they only go with her). Some of them come once a week ever week, and others book TLNs on weeknights (in addition to these 6 bar regulars, there are three other Iraqi/Iranians who are offering her arrangements so that they could move her to the US).

Sure, TJ chicas may not offer their best attitudes/performances to every customer, but vertical mongers like me actually get a kick out of the fact that my novia "reserves" something for me. Furthermore, it is possible, or even probable, that d'Art established his reputation as a monger who rarely repeats in TJ bars (from what I heard, he is well known in the bars). Then, why should chicas give him their best effort to make him repeat?

Now, I am not really comparing TJ chicas' "strategy" on repeat business vs those by women in other parts of the world. In fact, my guess is, prostitutes in Phillipines and Thailand might be similarly motivated to find "husbands" who fly from the US. I don't know if such motivations are dominant in Brazil, Columbia or Cuba.

One thing that factually distinguishes TJ from other places is, TJ is a border town with the US, so the opportunity for TJ chicas to meet customers who pay big bucks is endless. More importantly, the girls know the guys who paid bick bucks once will come back again, and often. Under the circumstance, these girls surely try to win repeat business, and many girls are successful with their "strategies".

Byron.

Have you ever mongered anywhere outside Mexico?

To quote a line from another well known Hombre.

Just curious.

(Xen)

More on some chicas "reserving" something for me.

After spending most of my time in AB/CC, I have now discovered a pleasure of "conquering" ficha girls in TJ (La Tropa to be specific). These girls do not go up with every guy, and I have to make a real effort to take them up. On the spectrum of "easiness", these girls are total opposites of Brazilian and Thai girls. BUT, the fact that these girls "reserve" things for select guys is a huge turn on for me. I could even fantasize that I might have made some connections with these girls (in Ben's case, their rents were due).

I enjoy physical aspects of sex, but I might enjoy emotional connections with prostitutes even more. And, *I* find plenty of the latter in TJ. You would have to be vertically inclined to find them, though.

A lot in Japan, which I consider the world capital of mongering.

I meant, capitol.

But, capital sounds right, too.

You've got to be kidding about Japan unless you're directing that comment to only the Japanese members. I think most people here now that Japan is very expensive and even more limited if you are not Japanese.

I can compare TJ with Brazil, Costa Rica, Argentina, Cambodia, Thailand (3x), and the Philippines. Of course, I also know a handful of guys that regularly visit all of these places (except Cambodia). I also follow WSA, WSG, and TSM, so I'm well familiar with how a large segment of guys perceive Mexico compared to the rest of the world.

Spending a week or more in a place is plenty of time to figure out how the sex scene works, and for all practical purposes makes sense when one is planning a vacation where one will be somewhere for a limited time.

If you don't believe my comparisons, all you need to do is scroll up or ask other TJ lovers that have been to other destinations, how about Drewwho and BillfromReading?

I think you might have the wrong idea about my track record with TJ chicas. I do fine. There are plenty of people you can ask about it: Athos, Ootie, Erip, Sakebomb, Porker, etc...

TJ is convenient for those that live close, and if you learn how to play the game, you can regularly have a good time. But for those that don't live within driving distance and those that have other travel options, TJ really doesn't make much sense.

ha ha

Because "you" cannot get in Japan, you have no idea what's going on there, right? For Japanese men, the options there are endless. My horizontal count there is 250, which range from $500 per sessions in Soapland to (many) $40 quickies with Thai, Filipino and Columbian dancers. The price for the latter increased to $60 these day, but you can still find them if you know the scene. The fact that non-Japanese men cannot get them has no bearance whatsoever on MY monger experience, which shaped up my assessment of girls' qualities, service and mentality.

And bear in mind, NOT all of us consider the cost as the primary determinant of the experience. I paid $1,000 for a session with Sunset Thomas in Nevada, and I still remember the excitement. Then, $1,000 is NOTHING compared to what I spent on my current CC girl. It is the DEPTH of the experience that counts, to me.

In any case, I made it crystal clear that my post is about your assertion that "TJ chicas lacks the strategy to win repeat business". This is absurd, when you realize the vast majority of TJ chicas would starve if not for the repeat business (i.e. including, but not limited to, support from sugar daddies, patrons and novios/BFs). Thus, if "you" think they lack the strategy to win repeat business, they are ACTUALLY succeeding in it.

TJ chicas may not give their best effort to every customer. There may be cultural reasons for this. The bars like AB/CC where all girls go up with all guys are exceptions in Mexico. In most parts of Mexico, prostitution occurs in ficha bars. Maybe AB/CC girls operate with the "ficha girl" mentality (i.e. they reserve their best effort for select customers). For vertical mongers like me, this makes GFE in TJ more exciting (because it is NOT an automatic event).

For that matter, newbies who don't have vertical skills should stick with Brazil where GFE is (alledgdly) "automatic".

As for your TJ experience, yeah, at least three people told me about you (I didn't ask about you, they just told me about you. They thought I knew you, and used you as a point of reference.). I actually heard that chicas liked you, but I also heard your (low) opinion on TJ shows on your attitude in the bar.

Consider the audience and context. The post you initially responded to was my response to a guy that obviously did not know the ins and outs of Tijuana/Ensenada/Mexico. (why you moved the conversation HERE...) My post is useful information for anyone with experience in destinations prior to Tijuana and is based on my own international experience PLUS hanging out with old farts, young farts, studs, fuglies, white, black, brown, etc... Conversely, anyone who is not Japanese and reads "Japan, which I consider the world capital of mongering" may get a completely inaccurate impression. (You do state "I consider", but the use of "world capital" implies that anyone can expect the same. Just my opinion.)

I also stand by my assertation that TJ chicas lack strategic sense, but for your sake will qualify my statement to say MOST TJ chicas lack strategic sense.

I could go down a long list of reasons why if you want, but I'd put it in another thread, it wouldn't make much sense here.

Some points:
1. TJ as a border town
"opportunity for TJ chicas to meet customers who pay big bucks is endless"
I agree completely. But you argue that MANY girls incorporate successful strategies, I would argue that FEW do (relative to working girls in Tijuana). Those that don't survive on volume from an endless supply of inexperienced newcomers. That's why girls like Evil Julietta are always so busy.

2. CC Chicas and novios
Chicago Club isn't the best example to use, especially considering you are an Asian novio of a CC chica. CC is unlike many of the Zona bars as it's primarily a late night joint catering in a large part to an Asian population. Many hold out for higher prices and have reputations as being more stuck up and less friendly. A lot of the TJ posters here don't even go into CC for those reasons.

3. Other countries
"For that matter, newbies who don't have vertical skills should stick with Brazil where GFE is (alledgdly) automatic."
GFE is also automatic in Argentina, Cambodia, Thailand, Philippines, Colombia, Cuba, and Costa Rica (Blue Marlin exception). In fact, it's automatic GFE practically everywhere in the world except North America, Mexico, and most of Europe. This is not only my personal opinion, but the opinon of most of the international guys I know and is well documented on every major sex site.

You may be right in that TJ vertical guys should probably stick to TJ. Ask Drewwho and BillfromReading.

I don't know how seriously vertical BillfromReading is. He is married.

The art of mongering has been seriously explored in Japan for, say, about 500 years. You have no idea, so don't even debated with me. The pinacle of mongering THERE is to conquer unconquerables. It costs a fortune (about $100K in today's market) to sleep with the most desirable geisha. It then takes more than money (prestige, power, charm, whatever..) to make her your mistresses.

Now, I am not confusing myself with that caliber, but that's what I am getting at. In contrast, you are selling hard for $100 overnighters with "enthusiastic" (with every guy) women in the third world. We are not looking for the same things.

But, then, if it is automatic, where is the thrill?

You are paying for sex in Japan. Dont fool yourself into thinking you are accomplishing anything.

Byron
You sound in the minority in this tj puta conquest.
Every one has different goal in his mongering.
I believe my buddy d'Art was trying to give a fair comparison from his experience. Obviously everyone has different experiences.
From my limited experience Rio does not compare to TJ as TJ putas are in the ugly side while cariocas on the good looking side. But then other hombres will come back and say how prettier European and Argentinians are.
Bottom line mexicanas do not exercise and get fat and fatter by age 21 hence Ben Mendoza line for example. Still beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Comparing destination is great as hombres like me cannot afford to go to so many destinations.

You make my own point. I have no idea about Japan. Neither will anyone else that is not Japanese. I can not talk about Japan compared to other places. Likewise, you cannot adequately describe most of Asia, any of Central America, or any of South America. I have researched, discussed, debated, and PARTICIPATED in these other places.

Again, who is the audience? How many people here want to invest tons of time, money, and effort into having sex with a very few number of attractive girls?

Argentina, Brazil, and Costa Rica are third world?

Where is the thrill in having almost guaranteed excellent GFE with fit, attractive girls with no signs of childbirth for less money? Beats me...

Yes, Ben could raise his Mendoza line to late 20's minimum in South America. Think how many more options that provides.

Hey Tough Guys
I value and respect all your opinions.
For me i would have it no other way But Mexico.
I do not disagree with what you are saying but it depends on your viewpoints of a good time.
If all of these mongering destinations were border cities I would live near the border city of Columbia first then brazil then mexico and so on.
I am just personally turned on by the way Mexican girls look and I have been treated like Athos since i have moved here.
I have never been to anyplace outside of mexico but have met plenty of brasilians and Columbians to know how hot they are and love sex.
I am not just talking about the whores but all girls in General. The only downside is Mexicans are the most religous and conservative of all Latina races. I have had such good luck and been treated like a King I desire no other place but mexico. I can show you pics of girls that I have been set up with from mothers and families of parties I have gone too ,they are very warm people and do not let the zona warp your mind of how the real mexican women are. i would be stupid to venture off my path at this time.

Again If you go home happy thats all that matters.
Good luck guys in your travels and I enjoy reading your reports from South American , Asia , Central America and so on.

take care
Milkman

This is my first time posting so here it goes:


I love reading the reports on clubhombre,I see everyone has there own viewpoints, and I repsect them all, well here is my viewpoint on this matter, I spent many years in the Navy going to different ports around the world and being station in many ports overseas and stateside: Hawaii, VA, FLA. and to many more to name them all, when I was San Diego, CA. I would go to TJ just about every weekend, I met some really nice girls down there and I would hang around there friends and families but, now I been to RIO three times, and I must say I have never seen so many goodlooking ladies in ALL OF MY 15 YEARS GOING AROUND THE WORLD IN THE US NAVY, RIO IS NUMBER NO.1 TO ME.

Like I said, TO ME, and I been to just about every place in the world and live overseas for years when a was in the Navy and when I got out of the Navy and RIO WIN HANDS DOWN TO ME.

KIDCISCO

Great information guys, and Byron, try not to take such an antagonistic approach...your worldview is exceedingly limited to comment on what was clearly a comparison post relating one person's opinion of several different places he had personally visited...venture out to all of the places mentioned by D'Art and then post your thoughts...you may very well find yourself taking back your words and owning D'Art an apology...

Leave Byron alone,
he can have TJ
less competitor in Rio for me
have a nice day

Uh, isn't D'Art simply expressing his opinion...as a participant observer in a number of locations...and haven't a number of mongers asked how one location compares to another? In this sense, his contribution is valuable to the board....Ultimately though, To each his own...If, having you prefer TJ...bueno...go for it...

If another location...bueno...there are many girls and many destinations in the world....

I am a Buenos Aires guy....in this sense I disagree with D'Art...but while I may disagree with him...I appreciate his perspective and his contributions to the board (especially his pictures)....

This having been said....if I (this is my personal perspective) were looking for a new destination based soley upon what I have read here on Hombre about the quality of monger's experiences in various locations I would be looking at Columbia or Rio....or Cuba or Costa Rica (though the quality of this destination appears to be on the decline, at least in SJO)....TJ would be way down my list....

I'd be interested in hearing from TJ mongers who having visited other locations still prefer TJ???? Just curious.....

There is no *best*, there is "different". I base this on tasting the charms from about 30+ countries over past two decades. For a quick good clean wham-bam-thank-you at a set price used to be AMS. Post Berlin-Wall in the early years, Bratsilava and Prague were very affordable and excellent quality.

In last decade 90s, east european girls have flooded the whole of Europe and also NYC - Go figure

There is Cuba - Somehing known to Germans,Canadians,Brits and whoever is *not* banned

A freelancer in Riga, few years ago, spent nearly four days with me in the hotel instead of her crappy dorm in college - for nearly a song....Riga became a very popular destination for Scandinavian punterers, and still is

Has anyone checked out Belgrade ? Post NATO bombing ? Hmmm!!! Boldly fo where no punter has ....

CityDude
We're far away here in the U.S. but I saw on E channel Wild on Croatia, pardon my geography close enough for me, but the ladies in nightclub were, some of them were incredible looking. There must be some good action in that place for such a poor and small country.

I totally agree with Ezy and having more countries to read about and compare is what makes a hobby site interesting.

I saw that one. They had super-tail running around at the clubs and stuff.

Athos: We bombed them and demolished their infrastructure So, in a weak economy, puntering/mongering transactions are just like spot-market pricing - haggling and trading no ?

Since we are on the subject of new worlds to conquer, I nominate Tel Aviv. I've been there 3 times within the last three years, and Tel Aviv is among my favorite places to monger. (Here is a local's guide, which I found after my last trip. BTW, it's an excellent guide.) The Russian/East European women are incredible, the price isn't too bad ($40-50 per half hour, depending upon the exchange rate), there are a good number of establishments to hit, an incredible number of women, and, best of all, Israel is a fascinating country to visit. It is a small country, and you can go to the northern border, Sea of Galilee, Jersualem, the Dead Sea and Masada during the day, and still have time for plenty of late afternoon and evening activities.

Problem with TLV or for that matter all of EU is that Russian/East European girls have come in droves -- Makes it tough to go find local talent

To Athos and others who can't read.

I did not compare TJ putas from Rio (or Thai) counterparts. In fact, I am the one who has been saying for months that most TJ putas are not upto my standard. I even said, on the board, that d'Art fucked so many AB/CC chicas whom I wouldn't consider pay to fuck. (actually, Athos and I stood at AB's door last Sunday for about 30 minutes, reviewing each chica who came out for a trip upstairs. We still agree on chica tastes most of the time. I think he found about 3 chicas he could fuck. I found 2.)

Still, d'Art's assertion "TJ chicas lack the strategy to win repeat business" is ridiculous. Sure, they have volumes, so they have no need to win repeat business from every customer. Ultimtately, though, the vast majority of TJ putas I know live on repeat business (unless they are trophies).

This is a little bit off from the main point, but d'Art points out the fact that Drew, who used to be a TJ monger, fell in love with Thai and a Thai girl.

The comparison like this (i.e. attractions to Mexican vs Thai, or Latina vs Asians) is not terribly relevant to the functions of mongering destinations.

We often recite the saying, "beauty is in the eyes of beholds", reminding ourselves that attraction is ulitmately subjective. Psychologists point out some physiological (biological) influence on the notion of attraction, but it is agreed that cultures also have a strong influence on this.

For instance, I am personally more attracted to European faces than Asian faces, despite I am Asian. And I am not alone. Sakebomb told me the same. So did Athos. And they are Asians. The three of us live in the culture where stereotyped "beauties" are presented in mostly Caucasian (and in many cases, Noridic, blue/blond/tall/slim) figures. Latinas add exoticness, but they are still within the framework of the European idea of attractiveness.

I happen to know that my (current) preference of Western looks is an acquired taste. When I grew up in Asia, I always preferred Asian looks to Western which looked too "alian" at the time. I liked Filipino/Korean looks, as they looked exotic to me. Only when I came to the US, I started liking Caucasian faces.

So, if Drew, who happens to be a white American, falls in love with a Thai girl who I suspect he finds exotic, it doesn't tell me much about TJ.

No exotics in TJ. Most of the girls in the bars have typical Mexican bodies. Nice ankles, thick legs, fat asses, pudgy waists, small tits often enhanced, and some have cute faces. Their saving grace is proximity to southern CA. Compared to most European brothels TJ is a dump. Compared to Thai bars TJ holds no comparison.

What I was trying to say is, the concept of "exotics" differs vastly from individual to individual, even within the same culture.

Mexicans are far more exotic than Thais, to me (and to some other Asian guys), while Thais must be more exotic than Mexicans to you and Drew.

On TJ, Milkman said it all. If Colombia and Brazil were on near my border, I would certainly be visiting them. BUT, they are not. Then, for us vertical mongers (and vertical man like Milk), the fact that TJ is on the border takes precedence to other elements, because the proximity is not a "convenience", but is essential for us. TJ is close enough I can make a daily commute there. And like in every (pro or non-pro) relationship, there are times you need to make daily commutes if you are in vertical mongering.

To be sure, I was driven into vertical mongering NOT because TJ is close, BUT I met a certain girl. I am glad, though, that I met her in TJ, not in distant places such as Rio, because if it were the latter, then it would have been difficult, if not impossible (see Drew), for us to develop the depth we have in our relationship.

On Athos' I am a "minority on TJ puta conquest" comment.

I might have become in the top 5 % in the scale of verticalness among all TJ mongers (this number is a pure guess, it might be worse). While I wouldn't disagree that vertical mongers are in the minority group, I am far from being alone in terms of what I look for in mongering, though.

I hang with Ben, Curious, Erip, jesus, sampson, Putajunky, etc. They all fuck around (and I do, too), but I get a sense that these guys enjoy making "connections" (that might lead to relationships) with chicas in ZN. And even though they might be in minority in number, they spend enormous amount of time in TJ (because I see them ALL THE TIME). None of these guys seems ready to jump on a flight to Rio (except for me, hah).

(Milk is obviously a connection man, but he doesn't go for putas.)

Athos will go down to a 6 in TJ, on many occasions when I asked about a girl he told me that she wouldn't be attractive enough for me. I am pretty certain he considers me more selective than he is while still being on a similar scale.

As can be read from the top of this thread, my comparsion between Brazil and TJ revolve around body type, cleanliness, and likeliness of finding GFE with minimal effort.

I don't think I've focused much on beauty in my compasions with maybe the exception of body types which is a clear differentiating factor in Brazil.

I also am personally more attracted to European faces than Asian, but still would pick Thailand in a heartbeat over TJ if it required a flight.

I don't think Drewwho is so shallow that he would fall in love simply because he finds a girl exotic.

I'm looking forward to your Brazil report. Don't fall in love!

The other night, Athos was telling me he couldn't get BBBJ in TJ. I was telling him I just got BBBJ from four different chicas in the previous night. And they were all new chicas (for me). All I had to do was to ask before I went upstairs with them.

If I define GFEs for things like DFK, BBBJ (and BBFS if I want it), then it is not difficult at all for me to find them in TJ. Girls tell me I am cute, so that may help. But, the biggest trick I have these days is to find them in smaller bars: i.e. La Tropa, Tropical, Miami, and Pollo. The girls at these places are distinctively "easier". Conversely, GFEs are harder to get from AB/CC chicas.

But, I don't think the above story bodes well for TJ chicas who give me GFEs. My CC girl does not give DFK or BB actions to her customers (according to their reviews on her), because (I know) she is well educated about the risk of these behaviors. Another case in point is a chica formerly known as Marlen CC. When she just moved from La Tropa to CC, she was giving guys BBBJ and rimming. She gives neither any more, because she says she wants to be healthy.

If I had a sister (which I don't have) who works as a prostitute, then one advice I give her is to avoid exchanging body fluids with cutomers. BBBJ is not very risky to men, but it might be a risk to women (there is a well publicized paper by Harvard researchers who reported the risk of BBBJ in HIV transmission to women. The validity of finding is still in question as of today, because it is not easy to sort out the route of transmission in sexual relationships. The bottom line is, the possibility that BBBJ is a risk to women has been published and publicized.)

Prostitutes who give BBBJ and BBFS are either uninformed/uneducated or taking chances they should not be risking. Look at Thailand, where prostitutes played a major role in its HIV outbreak. I almost laugh when you talk about the superfical "cleanliness" of TJ vs Thai girls. Which ones are "cleaner", the chicas who always insist on the use of condoms (who don't wash) or the chicas who do rimming, BBBJ, BBFS (who wash)?

Now, I fully admit I am guilty of enjoying BBBG and even BBFS. But, I know I am taking advantage of ignorance or recklessness of (some) prostitutes. It's not something I should brag about finding them.

When I make comparisons, I don't talk about "what Byron gets", I talk about "what the average guy can expect". I also don't talk about what I get or what Sakebomb gets or what ElFuego gets because I know we are not typical.

I wasn't talking about cleanliness in regards to disease. I was talking about cleanliness in regards to how a girl smells and the difference in one's head between seeing a girl take a shower before and after being with you and seeing a girl do a pussy sink splash knowing your sweat and the sweat of several guys before you is still on the rest of her body.

See my post that started this thread, nothing about difference in disease risk factors, I consider them relatively similar.

And then, there is a whole layer different reason from these GFE things about why some of us love TJ.

I swap my vertical stories with guys like Erip, sampson and putajunkie. We have found the joy and agony in the sport of "falling in love with prostitutes", which is ladden with the maximam dozed excitement and toxicity. If I may, I'd call the sport the last forbidden fruit.

I am telling you, a trip report of a Brazilian chica (you hardly know) giving you rimming is NOTHING compared to the DRAMAS each of us has gone through in our respective relationship.

I actually consider your dramas fascinating but sometimes foolish. I am sure some of the relationships might be genuine, and some may eventually become genuine. However, I also believe that if some of the TJ chicas are even half as capable as I believe some of them to be, then many novios will eventually find themselves with undesirable outcomes.

It's playing with fire and I can understand that some guys enjoy those kind of risks, but some guys don't understand the risks and even many that do will still get burned.

Cliche', I know.

Personally I could care less for the drama, I just want good lays. If I wanted drama I'd date US girls.

I have that, too.

If you read my posts under my old handle, I used to mention the fact that I lived with an American GF. Although she does not live with me any more, we still maintain a strong friendship, and frankly, I don't know where this is going to. CC chica knows about her (but not vice versa).

I have no shortage of dramas.

And the place where I'm most likely to find natural tits the size of watermelons? I'll bet on Mexico.

d'Artagnan,

"If I wanted drama I'd date US girls" - good point.

Getting back to the subject of this thread, I had read your comparision regarding C.R. because I've been there repeatedly. After going, I found your analysis to be correct. More women, more hot women, much bigger place, better sessions, etc..It really is a different world. I appreciate you giving your honest impressions of the quality vs C.R. and the other places. I would only say that native Spanish speakers can get by in Portuguese pretty well.

I had a similar problem in my report. I didn't want to trash C.R., but I have to be honest that Rio was a whole lot better. This ends up pissing off some people, but unfortunately the truth often does that.

HC1

For some reason, I have always gotten a bad vibe about TJ. Why? Because I grew up and been to many other places in Mexico. Most of the chicas that come to TJ are from western states of Mexico who in short I find less attractive and a lot more rude than chicas from the east coast. If I didn't know any better, I would probably think of TJ as a magical place. I can't compare TJ to any other places in Mexico (except other border towns) because there it wouldn't be fair.
That of course, it's my take from only going down there (TJ) 2-3 times a year. If I had the desire to move closer to the border to go, maybe, 1/5 the times some of you go down there, my opinion would probably changed. So as a famous (very likeable monger) once said "I'm allow to change my mind."

Viva Mexico Cabrones!

-Jarocho

Who gives a shit about drama, I thought this was about our hobby?

Why can't drama be a hobby?

Actually, when I started going to TJ three years ago, I had a clear separation of "hobby" from my "life". As the time progressed, the border got blurred more and more.

I now complete lost it.

Jarocho, where's your favorite place in Mexico?

Byron, maybe a trip to Brazil will help you forget about the drama and re-establish that line, or are you a masochist?

I met another Hombre here in Thailand that has been to Thailand, Costa Rica and Brazil.

He prefers Thailand of the three. Likes the longer sessions in the soapies, says the girls here allow themselves to become aroused a lot more than Brazilian chicks and that is something he really digs.

I guess this debate all really depends on the individual and the particulars that they are looking for or seeking.

My next trip is going to be Brazil, so I will finally be able to weigh in from personal experience. And I am looking forward to the trip.

One of the things I like to do is experience new places and new things. It may not change my mind and I may have my personal preferences. But at least I can say I experienced these places and people first hand. That will allow me to argue my points and opinions on the matter from a point of experience and first hand knowledge, rather than from a point of ignorance.

As you travel and sample, one thing will become clear - Each place is different - Each culture brings a special nuance to the puntering/mongering world

I have been to Costa Rica, Buenos Aires and live in San Diego. I go to TJ regularly. I agree with Citydude. There are no right answers, every difference is not better or worse. One beautiful thing about this board is it makes the transition to a new place 100x easier when you study up first. The experiences I have had in TJ range from the worst mechanical sucky-fucky to a wonderful ongoing favorita. Trips to Ensenada and Baja etc. In Costa Rica I had a blast in San Jose but didn't do as well at choosing a travelling companion. I only had one shot. The country is beautiful. I would go back gladly. In Buenos Aires I found a great combination of chica opportunities and a repeat favorite to spend time with. The city was a series of treats. When I finally get to Thailand I'll look forward to soapies and in Brazil the Termas. My belief is that if you are always looking for an edge, one thing must always be better than something else, you often end up dissapointed. Better to ask what is here that I can enjoy and later remember with a smile on my face.

d'Artagnan,

That settles it. I'm going to Brazil. Thanks

Bruce