An Introduction To The Darkside Of Penjay

i'm writing this travel advisory based on a two week stay in jakarta about a year ago, and more recent experiences during nov 2005.

My first trip to jakarta occured just after mongerx took his virgin trip there with crazier for the weekend. They gave me the lowdown on the joints and i was off.

The prices and the locations of brothals in the area, and the attractiveness of the women in indonesia are well documented by others so i won't go there.

Instead, i'd like to focus on a sore topic that i feel hasn't been focused on very heavily. That is, the topic of STDS in Jakarta, namely penjay bars. In all the places i've traveled in the world, i've never seen a place have more infected women...there isn't a close 2nd.

My Personal Stats

During my first 2 weeks trip, I logged in a lot of time in the penjay bars on a daily basis and sampled many girls. i found that 35-40% of my picks up in penjay had some form of warts of herpes in the following areas: inner vagina, outter vagina, and around the groin and buttocks regions. Theses women tended to be the younger, fresher looking bunch that looked fresh off the boat and cute as hell, which is what can makes this place extremely dangerous in terms of catching and passing on stds.

During my latest visit to Jakarta, the initial percentages were worse. My first 3 out of 4 picks had some obvious genital herpes or genital warts.

note, theses are only my stats. mongerx chooses differently than i do (i choose trophy fucks) and has had much better luck in choosing girls that don't have obvious symptoms of stds.


Penjay STD: taken Nov. 2005

Real Life Examples

Here is a great example a lady i booked that turned out bad. It also shows how fast stds can potentially spread from one to another.

In l.a. bar (a penjay bar), i chose who i thought was one of the cutest girls that bar had to offer. a woman by the name of XXXXX or XXXX, but that's not important since there is such a relatively high percentage that are infected at theses bars that it would almost be pointless to list them.

Anyways, upon getting her naked in the room, i did an inspection of there vagina region and quickly discovered that she had an extrememly bad case of genital herpes. Needless to say, i opted out of that session.

Well, about a week ago, i took xenono to the penjay bars for his first visit. Guess who he picked and was ready to go upstairs with....my std girl, until i intervened. luckily i bumped into him before he took the plunge as some the penjay short time rooms tend to be dimly lited. Coincidentally, i saved mongerx from making the same mistake a day later. The scary thing is, I had shown pics of the stds and the girl to both of theses gentlemen prior to their encounter with her at the bar, but penjay being dark and all and my photo skills being poor and all....

on a different occasion, i physically pointed out another one of the stds girls to a fellow monger. a day later, he unknowlingly books her and takes her up....yes folks, she is that cute. He did not realize that she was the girl i pointed out the day before until he took her upstairs where he had the will power to opt out of the session upon inspection. actually, she was in remission relative to when i saw her a year ago. I drew a picture of what i saw back then, and we agreed that 'cautiflower girl' was the appropriate name for this young lass!

unfortunately i wasn't there to warn all mongers. In hunterman's report, there is one penjay girl i know of, that he listed as one of his recent conquest. She had a bad case of genital warts. I only hope he detected it, and used the proper precautions.

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btw, I will not point her out, but instead, keep you guys guessing so instead of trying to match faces, you can get into the habit of inspection their vaginas.

ah fuck it, here's an incomplete list (I don't remember all their names) of some of the girls i've encountered that have stds in penjay. See next thread.

A Very Incomplete List

note:
-This is an incomplete list. in fact, it's futile to attempt to make a complete list as the scene is very dynamic and the girls could be in remission or present with sypmtoms in places that are harder to detect like within the vaginal canal, etc. Plus, I don't remember all the names of the girls that i've encountered with stds in the past. I also don't recall some of the girls names that friends have encountered to have stds.

-If you run into one of theses girls, i suggest that you don't freak out and make a scene. instead, make an easy exit/excuse for yourself that doesn't draw attention or give away that you know she is infected.
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Sara Ayu bar:
-Yani. Cute Chinese looking spinner. Terrible case of warts or herpes at around the groin and buttocks region.

-Desi. Mild to moderate case of herpes or warts around outer and possibly inner vaginal lips. An overgrowth of pubic hair made inspection difficult in this case.

-Edna. Cute spinner. Terrible case of warts or herpes at around the groin and buttocks region.

-Ratna. Taller thin girl. Mild case of warts or herpes in lower butt checks.


LA bar and MTR bar:
-Della (Dede). one of the cutest girls in the penjay bar imo. Terrible case of warts or herpes at inner-outer vaginal lips.

-Iis. possibly the cutest girl in penjay (cute vs hot). Terrible case of genital herpes one year ago, now in remission as reported to me by another monger. Remember, herpes could be passed along even when in remission. Also note that there are hundreds of stains herpes so having it already doesn’t mean you can’t pick up another strain. more strains equates to more frequent outbreaks and a higher chance of picking up more stds.

-Putri. Very cute and fresh looker. Large area rash with large cystic like lesions on her outer vaginal lips. Her pussy also emitted a very stronge foul odor, and white discharge was oozing out of her vagina. btw, this is not the same one that mx and hunterman have done.

-Yuli., very beautiful chinese looking gal. a regular of mine a year ago who I recently-unfortunately discovered to have what appears to be genital warts in the inner groin region/outer vaginal lips, left side. Mild case.

note: With the exception of Ratna and Yuli, all of the girls I’ve listed above have one thing in common…..that is their appearance. They are all cute as hell, fobbish ultra spinner types.
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Frequency
how often do they go up...hard to say. it depends on day of the week, time of day, appearance of girl, location of girl, etc.

i saw an old favorite of mine go up 4x in about 3 hours one late afternoon at sara ayu, but i'm sure that doesn't happen on a daily basis. Although, i must say that the cute ones do go up fairly often, putting them in the high risk category for picking up stds perhaps.

be careful out there.

Conclusion

Don't get me wrong, I love Jakarta. All i'm trying to say here is be very careful.

Although, i must say that after my first trip here about a year ago, i almost wish i never came. Why, because the women are so appealing to my taste that i know i will return repeatedly despite the relatively high cases of stds amongst the girls.

Well, you just picked some of the hottest girls I have seen photos of from Penjay and you are telling me that nearly all of them have some form of VD? I believe you brutha but it just seems weird.

Hey, good hanging with you in ac.

So, in penjay, i have a habit of picking who i think is the cutest ones in the group, not the hottest. My first trip, i was there daily for two weeks, and just recently spent a fair amount of days there this last trip as well (another 2 weeks in jkt), so i've accrued alot of experiences that i can speak of.

To answer your question, not all of them have stds (if they all did, i wouldn't go to penjay), but a fair number of the standout cuties that you're bound to notice, do. As i mentioned before, my first trip i averaged 35-40%. THe last trip, when all was said and done, it was about the same percentages except with my bad luck, my first 3 picks had some sort of genital warts or herpes.

Let's meet up before you make your virgin trip there and i'll point out which gals to avoid in more detail. i was thinking of doing tj sometime this week, maybe tonight. Let me know if you'd like to hook up for a beer.

Soc,

Now that is what I call an honest to goodness "call it as you see it" wake up posting!

Yes, the women of Indonesia concentrated in PenJay are some of the best collection you will get anywhere!

Given that most local Indonesian men prefer it RAW, (and the girls more or less compelled to serve the market demands) the high incidences of STD is definitely not an accident. A simple case of arithmetics.

This does not stop most of us from coming out here for our hobby of finding the next SYT etc, but I would monger with caution if at all and your post here is a great service to mankind!

Well, anyone for PenJay? or anywhere in Indonesia?

C.

p.s. will you please bring a "hot-stamping iron" (like they use for cattle) with you and leave a mark on the shoulder of the girls who you have inspected and are visibly sick so we can save time and money!!!!!!! Ahmen!

I didn't think genital herpes grew on buttocks..

How did you find herpes on inner vagina?

This is one strange ass report amigo. If u have doubt, why not just wrap it up?

Soc--

what incidence rate would you give to Batam?

I believe you. I remember somebody who took a penlight into every session in Penjay area and wrote that about 50% had warts or something else. And, like Crazier says, a lot of women in China Town area do it without a condom. Which is why I stuck with downtown hotels and Blok M on my last trip, looking for some lower mileage models. Not to say that's fullproof -- A few years ago I think I picked up something, either from a freelancer at Hard Rock Cafe or from a tag team at 6th floor Melawaii.

Soc, your frank discussion on this topic is appreciated. I will share w/the board that Soc debriefed us on arrival and I did take extra precautions at Penjay (OB-GYN exams disguised as foreplay). Although I did not come across any serious or obvious cases of STD, there were 2 girls (out of about 20+ I did) that I had to throw back. I got suspicious when a Penjay gal kept turning the lights off and refused the veritable gynecological exam. There were many other places that were ok.

BTW: Soc, Jakarta Kicks Ass!

Crazier, thanks and good hanging with you in ac and jkt. Too bad we couldn't hook up in batam as well, i had a flight i had to catch in sing so i only had 90' to spend with my batam fav.

DM....never seen a wart on any ladies in batam. Those girls are much more low mileage than the girls at penjay. I did however see a wierd rash in the groin region of a freelancer gal that works the disco scene, but i don't think it was contagious. i have my fingers crossed.

Tiny, The 50% estimate sounds extremely high unless he took a small sample size of some of the most popular gals, and my stats are biased towards the most popular cuties that are st'd all day. My experiences with the other girls that aren't the best of the best have been great. no odor, no suspicious bumps. If i had to give an estimate, i'd say the percentage among all the women are 10% - 15% or less. btw, blk m gals are probably just as likely to give it up without protection as the penjay gals, they just get less short time sessions than their kota counterparts. as crazier states, it's a simple case of arithmetics.

Merlin, 20+? when i left you, i think you were around 6-7 and had a day left on your schedule? you must have been very busy on your last day! nice hanging with you in jkt. glad i could show you around.

(Message edited by socrates69 on November 28, 2005)

dm, what i saw on one lady was warts on the ladies buttocks extended out from her groin region. Those are not classified as genital warts.

ALso, this is just an advisory report, not a traditional trip report. btw, there is a correction above. it should read "warts or herpes lesions in the following areas"

good to know as I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary in batam either

that must of been some scary shit! Hard for me even to imagine.

I believe Socrates has truthfully reported his observations. My personal observations over my half a dozen trips or so is one girl from TC's with five warts on her ass and inner thighs, One girl from My Bar with two or three warts on her ass, and one Sari Ayu girl with absolute a horrible pussy stink that I didn't bother (nor was brave enough) to inspect. And when Socrates warned me about the one I was going to take up, I tried to make a gracious exit.

I disagree with Tiny123. Blok M girls generally do not require any protection. Plus many of these girls are graduates of the Kota scene. So your sweet young thing isn't that young, has a few thousand more sessions under her wide white hooker belt, and has managed to pick up a little English along the way. Also I believe Socrates is the person you are referring to as having posted about the gyno exams in PenJay.

For all the alarm this report will create, the readers should also be aware that it has been documented that in AC over one third of the girls working in Balibago have an STD. This comes from a report with a lot more observations and more scientific methods and approach than Socrates is offering us.

http://www.fhi.org/NR/rdonlyres/etxhtonvcevns6pqqqtst3lgice3liwkoqetysgitfdvjzgfntdgloorkpw3epayml2qefz3xw4k7f/PhilippinesReport2.pdf

Given that there is widespread unprotected intercourse with sex workers in both locations, it seems reasonable to expect similar infection rates. While not rigorous, but I think anyone who has spent time in both locations would agree that Indo girls practice much better hygiene than there AC counterparts. In my personal experience, I have had much worse luck in AC than Indo. I also believe the chances of a bad outcome from risky behavior in higher in AC. Socrates just doesn't have the same extensive experience in AC. I am sure if he catches his first case of yellow gooey goodbye to AC tears, his tenor will change there.

While I speculate that an attempt to discourage the growing but still small western sex tourist presence from going to PenJay is a partial motivation for the very dark (but appropriate) tone, the moral rings very true. The risks to playing unprotected in Jakarta are significant, and you should insist on a well lit inspection of the goodies (or possibly baddies) before you proceed with a session. This is true for you are going covered or not, condoms do not provide full protection from nasties like warts and genital herpes.

DM, don't be fooled, STD's are common in Batam too. I know that certain FL who has probably booked with at least half a dozen CH'ers (mostly bareback I am sure,) has recently been treated for a nasty case of Syphilis. This girl is very cute and the favorite of many -- but I am not going to name her here as I know she has been treated. Also, I think you are more likely to get a smelly pussy (I know not a true indicator of and STD) in Batam than Jakarta, but of course less likely than a smelly box in AC. Where there is widespread barebacking there will be widespread STD's.

(Message edited by mongerx on November 28, 2005)

Damn man.....diseases, worts, scabs, scars, puss and flem.....jesus! Think I'll stay on this side of the pond.

Sounds like way too much work jsut to get your dick wet.

Thanks for the warnings and guidance Soc!

Ok...here goes the dense question of the thread:

did you pay prior to your gyn exam or was that a precondition of sealing the deal?

mx,

I'm not fooled-- just looking for a basis of comparision from his perspective... I've had pretty damn good luck screening over my mongering stint thus far (0 problems w/ pretty darn risky behavior) and like it to stay that way. OF course I, as anyone who rolls the dice, play it unsafe and incur the risk, but I still like minimize probability where ever possible while still partaking... if that makes any sense...

By the way, many of the Thais used Lactozid for their genital wash while the Indos use some herbal stuff that is encouraged by their sisters as they sink into the depths of their profession.

Not sure what the Pina sistas use.

These are more for Ph balance and vaginal cleanliness - aroma rather than STD preventives although some may believe it does them some good there.

did you pay prior to your gyn exam or was that a precondition of sealing the deal?

Concarne, you have to pay prior to the trip upstiars where the 'gyn exam' can take place. If they presented with lesions, i'd either let them go, or had them perform oral sex. When i do decide to opt out of a session, I've always kept my cool and made a gracious exit, and i've never asked for money back or make them feel bad for their condition.

btw, most of the cases i've witnessed were too severe so putting on a condom wouldn't cover the all areas of skin to skin contact with the lesions.

THe main reason for my report is to hopefully decrease transmission of stds (namely herpes/warts vs gonn/clap) by encouraging mongers to perform a thorough inspection of the vaginal/groin region of the ladies prior to going fwd with the session.

MongerX & Socrates, I almost always protect myself, so don't have a handle on who will and who won't without a condom. But I do know women in Kota do multiple short times, while ones in bars in 5 star hotels and Blok M don't have as much mileage, recently anyway. Also, my Bahasa Indonesia is pretty bad, so even though I think the women in Kota are on average more attractive, last trip I spent more time elsewhere. I always stay downtown, close to work, so that's another consideration. And reading about the guys who walked around with the penlight (don't remember if it was Socrates; I think Zippy might have been one member of the pair) was the icing on the cake.

(Message edited by Tiny123 on November 30, 2005)

Y'all think any of this has something to do with why it really burns when I pee now? Because I just got fixed up for that 3 weeks ago and I was all better before this last trip but the problem seems to have returned in just the last day or so. Guess I be visiting my friends down at the clinic... AGAIN... tomorrow. I think I am developing a bad reputation with the nice nurse lady.

Yep Sancho, that's definitely a bitch when you're in and out of there so often that the people down at the local VD clinic start to become some of your best friends.

all that polluted indo poontang...

How about asking the chewe before-hand?

Lu sakit, dibawa? Tidak bagus.
Are you sick, down there? Not good.

Saya nga suka chewe sakit, nga mau main!
I don't like sick girls, I don't want to screw!

If you really want to bare-back, go to a high-end place like Beverly Hills Spa. Which I will admit to doing my last trip there. Will cost you a minimum 1.2 million Rupes. I was treated by a rich Indo Chinese "taman".

sancho, that's a bummer. Well at least it's something curable. I have a couple of ceweks in mind that might of given you the bug. We'll discuss it tomorrow eh.

tiny123, yes the blok m girls have much less mileage on them vs. penjay girls who do multiple st a day, but who knows what the blok m ladies' backgrounds were like. I once speculated to zippy on my initial visit there that perhaps some of the older girls of blok m were ex-kota girls.

btw, i carry a light, but for primarily for tc's.
sf4dfish, many of the girls i came across didn't seem to think there was anything wrong with them in the first place, so....

just a clarification.

i've never gotten any stds in jkt or btm for that matter. During my first trip, i was very concerned after doing one lady from blok m. I thought i felt something coming on, so i self-medicated.

in regards to ias, he could have gotten it in surabuya vs jkt. working out the timeline, it's a good possibility.

Well I could think of a couple dozen ceweks who may have one or more of the CDC's risk factors. If I were a betting man I'd place the odds on it being an east Java strain, not a west Java strain. Although I suppose there is a definite possibility it could be an east Sumatra or even Siamese strain. I'm off to visit my nurse friend at the clinic ..AGAIN... I kind of like her. You think she would go with me if I ask her out on a date?

Photo integrated into My Personal Stats section above

Looks like I got a great new street cart idea if I ever have to move to Indo-- CIPRO/Zithro combos, buy 4 get the next one free opening day special...

dm, if gonn or the clap was the problem, i'd be relieved, relatively speaking. the stuff pictured (genital warts/herpes) above has no cure.

Hi Socrates,

This is a topic that is most often unstated and ignored on this board. Many guys brag that they do not use condoms or that they perform oral on the women. There was even one guy who told me on this board that life is short and so thats why he didnt use them.

On my last trip, there was one particular woman in AC that I didnt use a condom with. I had been with her a few times before and just got caught up in the heat of the moment. This was very stupid on my part and a mistake that I am willing to admit. When I got off the plane in the United States, I found that I was urinating flames or what you might know as "the drip".

I have never experienced any type of STD in my life and so I was in a panic. Having your penis on fire is not something that you want to ever experience. I went to the doctor the moment it opened in the morning and, fortunately, this STD was completely curable.

When I go on my next trip, its going to be condoms all the way accompanied with thorough examinations and questions before the session is to begin.

This might be a weird or laughable topic for some people here. However, you learn quickly when you find yourself pissing fire.

I appreciate your post about this topic and am glad that you brought the issue to bare. Thank you.

Man, after seeng that, I think I'll stick to mongering in Tijuana!

M. Bates

(Message edited by masterbates on December 30, 2005)

IE, the main objective of this TR is just to inform mongers that travel to jkt that this stuff exists out there. That's it. it is not about promoting condom use.

m-bates, indo is gr8, but knowing your tastes, i think you'll be dissapointed with most of the chicas in sea.

On my last trip, there was one particular woman in AC that I didnt use a condom with. I had been with her a few times before and just got caught up in the heat of the moment. This was very stupid on my part and a mistake that I am willing to admit. When I got off the plane in the United States, I found that I was urinating flames or what you might know as "the drip".

Man, this is amazing to me - a Filipina gave you a STD? You are, sadly, not the first to note this connection.

I guess their standard defense/cure of prayer just isn't cutting it anymore...

E

CDC fact sheet on herpes:

http://www.cdc.gov/std/Herpes/STDFact-Herpes.htm

Just a quick update...

With the increased influx of punters coming from AC/LOS with stds such as gonn and clap, those are on the rise, especially in places like travel and the lokasari region, which is where the western sex tourist might go when venturing into the kota scene.

As for the warts/herpes, those are still around. The first two picks I had in penjay were infected, one with a minor case of genital wart (one big wart on the pussy lips) and the other a moderate case of genital herpes respectively. Twds the lokasari area, I found another moderate case of genital herpes. (see photo below).


(Message edited by socrates69 on September 26, 2009)

A moderate case of Herpes? Those lesion look like the are bursting and ready to polinate your genital regions. Did you shower and rub up against this girl prior to this photo? Dude please don't ever let me follow you. I am thankful that we seem to have very differing tastes in women.

Shit I think I just caught something looking at the photo. Excuse me while take a very thorough shower.

A moderate case of Herpes? Those lesion look like the are bursting and ready to polinate your genital regions. Did you shower and rub up against this girl prior to this photo? Dude please don't ever let me follow you. I am thankful that we seem to have very differing tastes in women.

Shit I think I just caught something looking at the photo. Excuse me while take a very thorough shower.

Agree MX

Doesn't get much worse than that ! I'm amazed this chick is still out there hustling - should be painful as hell ! You could indeed become infected just clicking on this thread.

Soc --
How the fuck did you get her to let you take that picture ?? You tell her it was for a medical journal ?

Looks like someone hasn't been facing Mecca and preying 5 times a day.

Could be worse. Two weeks ago in AC, one Filipina pointed out another Filipina in the bar who she said had, "white blood", coming from her pussy. While morbidly curious, I pressed for details but only got, "you know,,,,, blood,,,,, only white". Ummmmm..... I didn't follow up further after that.

Personally I believe 'MOST' high volume bar girls have the Herpes II virus, whether they have outbreaks or not. The majority of persons infected are asymptomatic. It kind of follows that 'most' mongers who have barebacked hundreds of bar girls and never had anything resembling a Herpes outbreak, are probably asymptomatic themselves.

I'm just saying.

You could indeed become infected just clicking on this thread.

lol.

What do you make of the first photo (at the very top) I posted back in 2005? What the heck is that?

Yeah, moderate case. I've seen worse! Like I said back in 2005, jkt has the most warts/herpes I've ever seen anywhere, period. I always check down there before I even consider disrobing myself. Luckily, it is alot better than it used to be.

Sorry but I just find the whole I don't disrobe and give her a gynochological inspection before we hit the showers is a bit incredible. I have been to those brothel bars and that would be some weird out of norm routine for those girls.

Moderate it is not...a condom will not do shit for you with this one.

Time for a CBJ!

Thanks for the info!

mx, I agree....it's definately out of their routine but it's quite easy to get them to agree to a brief check with a little finesse and some language skills....plus, 5 years of practice doesn't hurt either. :P

btw, I do a quick check of the outside, not a gyno check.

IMO, first pic looks like genital warts.

Many studies conducted in the USA indicate that about 25% of sexually active female study participants have herpes simplex two (20% for men). This figure naturally goes up with age (i.e., more partners). And yes, most people infected with HSV2 are asymptomatic (about 80%).

I can only imagine these figures are substantially higher in AC/Jakarta and other monger destinations.

I should add that herpetic legions very widely in appearance and they are often times confused for other ailments...

Does this stop me from pulling? Nope. But we should all understand the risks associated with the hobby beforehand and also examine pukis for any obvious signs of STDS.


Be safe.

Bambu!

A quick update

I don't know wtf is going on here. 5 out of 6 gals I picked at stadium disco had something going on down below. If you don't believe me, go yourself and confirm. Here are the names.

nanda: white clumpy discharge

sila: white clumpy discharge, small pus filled bumps by vagina.

karin: stink box

mega: white clumpy discharge

landri: small bumps around the buttocks