I spent only about two nights in Manila last week, after first spending about four nights in AC. I was generally disappointed with Manila. I stayed at the Copacabana Apartments right across from the EDSA Entertainment Complex.

I traveled with a buddy from AC, and used the shuttle service booked through Central Park Hotel in AC for 2700 pesos. The driver was excellent, making the trip in 1.5 hours from AC...that's possibly record time for AC to Manila.

The first night we visited EDSA and came away with sticker shock. The girls were HOT, but the bar fine and girl's compensation is very expensive compared to AC. So, we decided to exit EDSA early, and to explore LA Cafe and Makati instead.

Since our access to internet was limited from Copacabana, my buddy and I decided that to try to research the boards concerning the delights of Makati would be difficult and tiring. We checked some of the archived stuff on his computer, but didn't find a lot of encouraging information relative to where to go in Makati.

I'm sure there is detail on the board, but we would have had to go to the internet shop to find it, and with the rainy, shitty weather, we were not sufficiently motivated to do so. We did have detail on the Airport Entertainment Center, but most of the reported information indicated that it was priced the same as EDSA.

On the first night, after visiting EDSA for about an hour and being disappointed in the price structure. We decided to explore LA Cafe. While on the way through Ermita to LA Cafe, our taxi driver pointed out a couple of bars that he said were much better than LA Cafe. But, since we hadn't visited LA Cafe, we were insistent on going there, not knowing if our driver was being motivated by the prospect of commissions or not. In retrospect, we realize that he was probably being straight with us. That's why we were hoping to go with him the second night so we could give him another chance to take us the places he had tried to recommend the night before. Unfortunately, he would be unavailable the second night.

We visited LA Cafe, and were relatively disappointed in the quality of selection there. It consisted of mostly older girls, and a relatively high percentage of fuglies. We did not stay very long, maybe a half hour, because we were simply unimpressed. We were repeatedly hit on, but decided that there may be better quality of selection elsewhere...not sure where, but LA Cafe did not push any buttons for us. We did not even get far enough in conversation with the girls to discuss their fees, and have no idea what they routinely charge. But, it would not have mattered as, IMHO, the selection was very mediocre. It was a rainy, nasty night, and perhaps only the starving fugly/older bar girls were out in force.

After being relatively disappointed with LA Cafe, I inquired with our driver about whether there were any decent Fish Bowls in Manila. He informed us that there were several good ones, and that there was one not too far from LA Cafe. He told us it was not his first choice, but it was close by.

Our taxi driver took us to the Fish Bowl located not too far from LA Cafe, probably less than five minutes away. It was a "Hole in the Wall" kind of place, with no markings or signage on it. It was not really a Fish Bowl, but rather a small, dirty room with opposing couches on either side of the room. When you arrive, the girls, about 15 of them, all file in and take a seat on the couch, where they wave and smile to entice you to select them. There were only three or four of them that appealed to us. But, we were running out of time, and we decided to go ahead and make a selection.

Later the next day, from another taxi driver, we learned that we can negotiate the Fish Bowl rates down to between $1500-$2000 pesos. That first night, as I said, my buddy and I selected two girls from the fish bowl. Both girls were cute, and both of them turned out to be really excellent GFE's. I meant to get the address information of the Fish Bowl for the board, but forgot to do so that night, fully intending to get details from the taxi driver the next day. Unfortunately, we were never able to hook up with the driver the next day, and the details of the Fish Bowl location are unknown to me at this juncture...Sorry.

Our intention for the following night was to call our trusted driver, and to use him to scope out the remaining Fish Bowls the second night. But, the following day, when we called him, he told us he was off duty. So, we figured we would have to start from scratch again, and hope that we could find a driver that was sufficiently hip as to know his way to the good Fish Bowls.

Anyway, because I was relatively disappointed in Manila, except for the Fish Bowl experience, I decided that I could still make it to AC for some fun that third night. I had to fly out of AC anyway for Singapore to return home the next day, and my buddy's return flight was out of Manila around noon the next day. So, I made an executive decision to go for the lazy man's alternative, that being the sure thing, to revisit AC that third night instead of remaining in Manila to complete my research on the Fish Bowl scene.

Because the trusted taxi driver was not available, I was doubtful that I would be able to find another driver in a timely manner, that is, enough of a timely manner to effectively scope out all the Fish Bowls in Manila in the one remaining night left. I just decided that rather than stay in Manila, where it was shitty weather (rainy), I would just use the time in the early evening that third night to take a taxi to AC, where I hoped I could find a girl for the night with plent of time to spare. I also felt that if I were in AC that night, then I could make it to the Clark Airport in a more leisurely manner the next day than from Manila.

Also, the noise level form the roadways was really very loud for me at Copacabana. I was on the 10th floor, and for some reason, there was a significant amount of horn blowing and traffic noise all day and night long. I noticed that my buddy's room on the fourth floor was seemingly much quieter, perhaps because there are other buildings around the lower floors that absorb the noise better. So, for me, the prospect of spending the night in Copacabana one more night was not appealing, and if I was going to go to the effort of repacking to change rooms, then I decided that I might as well pack up and just head for AC early.

One thing that convinced me to return to AC early from Manila was the price structure of Manila compared to AC, especially the bar fines in EDSA. My trip buddy and I were quoted a 1000 peso bar fine by the Mamasan at one of the bars there, the place with the automobile motif, which would have been perfectly acceptable, but the girl my buddy wanted told him that 1000 pesos is just the bar fine. She told him that she charges 3000 pesos in addition to the cost of the bar fine. So, for this particular girl, he was quoted a 1000 peso bar fine, plus a 3000 peso girl's fee, which would have made a 4000 peso total "bar fine."

We were told that the bar fine was about the same in all the clubs, and I guess perhaps we may have jumped to conclusions about what the actual negotiated reality is for EDSA including bar fines, girl's fee, plus tips. I'm sure the bar fine and girl's fees probably vary depending on the girl. The girl he was negotiating with was really HOT, and probably commanded a slightly higher bar fine. But, generallly the cost at EDSA is pretty high compared to AC.

Frankly, we were anxious to get out of EDSA after visiting only one of the bars, because we noticed that lady's drinks were very high, 350 pesos, and because the place was so empty, you are literally attacked by hordes of bar girls looking for drinks, tips for massage, tips for hot towels, tips for cold towels, photos, flowers, nuts, tips for photos, tips for flowers, and tips for nuts, and anything frickin' else they could think of, etc., etc, etc...and we even felt compelled to tip the fuckwads out front who helped us out of our taxi with an umbrella to the door of the complex, and back again. It was raining when we arrived, and we just accepted their "kindness" on the way to the door, thinking it was the EDSA Complex offering good customer relations...I know, we should have known better, AND DO!!!

I guess we were scared off by all the tipping, high drink prices, and then to be quoted a 4000 peso "bar fine," inclusive, we just assumed the entire EDSA Complex was like that. In reading the archives we had on computer about the newest other alterntive, the "EDSA-Like" airport venue, we also got that same impression, that there is an expectation for a sizeable girl's fee, plus bar fine, plus tip. That is, 1500-3000 pesos for the girl, over and above the 1000 peso bar fine. The way it was presented to us, the bar fine is strictly that, a bar fine, and not meant as compensation for the girl. That is the main important distinction to take note of when comparing AC versus Manila. In AC, the bar fine amount is inclusive, and the only additional cost is if you choose to tip or not.

One taxi driver informed us that he only makes about 250 pesos a day from driving his taxi in Manila, after expenses, inclucing taxi rent, gasoline, etc...Knowing what the taxi driver makes puts everything in perspective, and helps you to realize just how much money the girls are sometimes making if they get $1000-$3000 pesos as their share of the bar fine in EDSA. Of course there are almost no competing customers in EDSA, so who knows how often they are fortunate enough to find a bar fine. And, who knows if those ridiculous bar fines in EDSA can be negotiated down sufficiently to be attractive to the average AC monger.

I say the EDSA prices are riciculous, but really, I had considered just paying the bar fine there in EDSA and staying the night in Manila because the girls ARE really HOT. I mean we are talking a wopping $55 roughly, and I have paid almost three times that in Monterrey for only 2 hours. But, for some reason, I just had a desire to return to AC, and especially to scope out Perimeter Road once again.

Of course, based on what normal people make in Manila, I imagine you could bargain the girls down to a reasonable amount, maybe even 500-1000 pesos plus bar fine, but even at that, we were feeling reluctant that to bargain them down too low might detract from our overall GFE experience with them. So, we got cold feet over both of the Entertainment venues, EDSA and the Airport, and we had hoped more optomistically for better at LA Cafe...NOT!

We later learned from the taxi driver that there is also a relatively decent Fish Bowl scene in Manila as well. After we had visited LA Cafe, and decided we were relatively disappointed with it, we asked the taxi driver about Fish Bowls in the area. He said there were several in Manila. We decided to explore a Fish Bowl that was close, near LA Cafe. We actually found a couple of girls in the fish bowl that we liked, so we bar fined them.

The fishbowl did cost us 3000 pesos each for all night. We were originally quoted 4000 pesos, but negotiated that down to 3000 pesos with no detrimental effects to the GFE quality. Fact is, the girls were both really great GFE's.

We eventually concluded that if the fishbowls cost 3000 pesos, that apparently the girls at EDSA, who are better looking and have hotter and tighter bodies, would surely command at least slightly more, if not a lot more. So, the quoted 4000 peso total amount quoted for all nighters out of EDSA seemed consistent when compared with the fishbowl, which might even be available for 1500-2000 pesos if negotiated properly.

Thanks for the TR USB, I'm probably one of the few Manilaphiles here; I was there a couple weeks before you and came away with a diff't conclusion. But your observations are well taken, espec. about the expenses. Couple of comments if I may:

Copa, they have rooms on the 8th-10th floor away from Edsa Bl., toward the rear, that are much quieter.

Edsa gals will always start off at 3K for "tip" but most, if not all, will negotiate down to 1500 or the super hotties to 2000. They just don't have the endless supplies of mongers to pass one up. Same w/ the Domestic Entertainment complex.

Many, many girls are more inclined to do "sneaks outs" during the daytime for some reason. I pay 1500 only, and have built up a rolodex of gals I meet at the barhops etc. Unlike AC, it's not a small town where everyone knows what you are doing.

LA Cafe is a true freelance bar where the inventory changes each night, and perhaps every few hours. I usually park myself on a strategically located chair and hangout for a few hours until something I like passes me by. 1k is what I pay plus a reasonable tip. There was some cuties on the 2nd floor this last trip.

I've also brought over HKs from AC to hangout with me and to barhop, another option.

I generally think Manila has more girls that are hotter and a lot more things to do in the daytime. I still like AC a lot, it's one of the best bang-for-the-buck type places. Manila is just more or less wide open.


(Message edited by merlin on December 15, 2005)

I love manila and don't find it cost prohibitive at all. I pay roughly another 500-1000 (1k more for an uber hotty) pesos for LT when compared to AC, but the quality and service allows me to rank it as a bargain.

I always thought of EDSA as a cheap alternative to P. Burgos in Makati...good thing you guys didnt go there or you would have really been in for some sticker shock. I think I spend about the same in Manila if I limit my Makati runs because there are more things to do during the day which keeps me away from the bars. AC can be so boring at times that I tend to spend quite a bit of money during the day on short times and drinking. Daytime action in Manila is basically nonexistent which can make it boring at times but there are afternoon bars with reduced barfines in Makati and freelancers are usually around at Robinsons Mall in Ermita.

USB, thanks for the report and your honest opinions, though they seem to have been based on inaccurate information and a VERY small sample size (1/2 hour in LA Cafe? 1 drink in EDSA?). I think all would agree that Manila costs significantly more for chica compensation than AC does, had you been prepared for that before you got there, you may have been able to compensate instead of just saying FUCK THIS!

Merlin, DM and Blazers all made some good points about Manila. Too bad they weren't around to guide you through the whole scene there. Personally I have never spent more than 1 night in Manila for the precise reason that it seems expensive to me compared to AC (as well as the apparent lack of a serious daytime scene), but IF I have a budget for it this next trip I think I'm going to try and break away from AC and spend a couple nights in MNL to see some of the go go bars there for myself. If the quality is truly significantly higher than in AC, the higher prices might be palatable. Of course I've never complained about the quality offered in AC bars, as others seem to do on a daily basis, so I'm kind of proceeding on blind faith here.

USB, reports like this are quite valuable, and I think you admit some of the biases and possible mistakes you made that possibly contributed to being underwhelmed by this particular destination. Thanks for posting it here.

BTW, is C. Park REALLY charging p2700 for a car to Manila now? That's fucking obSCENE! Back in April it was 2100 for a car, 2300 for a van, which seemed extremely high to me at the time, but since there were 3-4 of us, I figured what the hell... But when you can FLY (SEAir) for 1/3 of 2700 pesos, they're simply fucking gouging people.

Well, they did give us a van. But, to put everything in perspective, a random taxi off the streets of Manila (to AC) cost me 2500 pesos.

I doubt if I was able to get a very good price for a taxi randomly pulled from the streets of Manila, so it does seem like they're taking advantage at CP, except they did provide a larger vehicle, a van.

I like Central Park, and especially the babes that work the desk there. But, after staying a night in the Deluxe Room at Orchard Inn on my last night in town, I gotta say that I prefer the comfort, and the reliability of the internet connection at Orchard Inn to CP.

However, there is a price consideration between the standard room at CP versus the Deluxe Room at Orchard Inn, $45 a night for the Deluxe Room at Orchard Inn. But, only $25 for a standard room at Orchard Inn, and you get free Wifi in the common areas at Orchard Inn. In addition, I also think that with the bigger pool thrown into the mix, Orchard Inn is the better deal.

As I indicated in my prior PM, I really preferred that last night at Orchard Inn to CP, not only because of the comfort of the room, but also because I was fortunate to have been given a room in the very back, where it was nice and quiet. However, staying only one night in a place does not make for a proper sampling, so I would have to stay there for a week or so to actually give it my full endorsement over CP.

Regarding our investigations of Manila, and my initial conclusions, all I can say is that we must have been in some kind of attitudinal funk to have given up so easily.

For my part, I think my interests at that time were more in-tune with a point and click environment, such as AC, and I must have lacked the will and stamina to conduct a properly motivated investigation, hence my eventual timely return to AC on the third night.

We should have conducted more thorough research prior to our arrival in Manila so we would have been less inclined to talk ourselves into a negative funk once there. Unfotunately, by the time we arrived in Manila, we were not able to easily access the internet, and only had archived information to go by, some of which must have been relatively untimely, or even possibly inaccurate.

It was the last few days of our trip, and frankly, the only excuse I can think of is that we must have been somewhat fatigued. I have since concluded that we were probably just too lazy to investigate the full potential, and probably came away with a distorted view based on our own biased premature conclusions.

I realize when writing my original post that our mutual conclusions were based on an extremely limited sampling. I even think that we may have actually played off of one another to further convince ourselves that Manila was uninspiring.

We neglected to investigate the club upstairs at LA Cafe. We were aware of it's existence, but due to the proliferation of fuglies on the first floor, we were too easily deterred from looking much further.

Also, regarding the price structure at EDSA, I was skeptical that we were being quoted realistic prices at the time. I suspected that we were being played for newbies, and that we were being quoted inflated prices, but gave up prematurely on attempting to negotiate for the going rate. We did not get sucked into paying newbie prices, but we were guilty of the next worst offense, giving up.

We considered whether to give EDSA a second look while also using a "hard bargaining" approach, but we convinced ourselves that EDSA was a mongering "tourist trap," and unfortunately, we prematurely convinced ourselves to avoid EDSA.

But, as I mentioned in my initial post, even at the inflated prices we were quoted, it would not have been the end of the world, albeit unecessary, to pay p3000-p4000 (the equivalent of about $56-$74US) in order to have some fun. Certainly, I have paid more for significantly less time in other venues. But, rather than pay those inflated prices, thereby ruining the market rate, we simply decided to walk away.

Of course, reaching misguided conclusions concerning EDSA made us even more reluctant to properly assess Makati, a place that we knew to be significantly more expensive than EDSA.

I think that in our apparent funk, we were probably lucky to have at least stumbled upon the Fish Bowl, and upon girls within a Fish Bowl environment that turned out to be such incredibly good GFE's. However, based on comments here, it seems we probably overpaid in that environment as well.

USB:
Thanks for the TR. Your experience was a "discovery" process. You will have a much better time on your second visit to Manila.

Do you remember the name and location of the fishbowl? I dont recall any of the TRs mentioning a fishbowl experience.

Thanks!

I usally stay a week to ten days in Manila and I am there about four times a year. Taxi driver salaries vary as to their hustle. Some clear p$250 per day and some clear p$1,200 per day.
Normally you can negotiate a taxi to AC for about p$1,500 to p$1,800. I find it more expensive coming back.
Edsa's B-Fine is p$1,000 to p$1,200 but the girls are usually only p$1,000 to p$1,500 unless they do something extra special???? unless you want to give more. Some of the best places to make out is near the U of P in the malls. The students sometimes need additional funds. Also some of the 5 star hotels have good hang outs like the Pan Pacific. These are top shelf free lancers and sort of leave it up to you for the tip. If she is unhappy she will let you know.

AC is still tops for quick-no nonsense action and bottom line price. I just like the challenge of the free lancers.

Sorry, I don't recall the name of the Fishbowl, or the location, other than to tell you that it is located just minutes away from LA Cafe, probably less then five minutes.

I wish I had been able to hook up with the taxi driver the second night to record the details. Unfortunately, by keeping the guy on retainer for a full nine hours, at 200 pesos an hour, he was motiviated to retire, at least for the week, LOL!

USB--

for a gogo, 3k pesos is about right for LT including BF+tip. There are quite a few free lancer venues as well tho. One thing to keep in mind, is that once you add up the cost for barhopping around AC with BFs (assuming you do that), it adds a decent chuck of change to the AC costs. In manilla, one typically doesn't barhop w/ girls. Perhaps (not often) a little chow and then screw all night...

EDSA is my bar cluster of choice (by far).

USB, is the "Orchard" Inn anywhere near the Orchid?

Yeah, ya know, if it wasn't for the extra 15 bucks a night and the fact that it was usually booked solid, I think many of us would prefer to stay at the Orchid instead of Central park, as they still have a damned nice pool, same location, bigger rooms, etc. But like you did when getting sticker shock at the Wild Orchard, some of us balk at paying more for not much incremental value.

And Orchid group's service is fine as long as you don't have any problems that need fixing. If you DO, good luck...

Wow-- pork I thought I was all alone in my preference for Orchid ! Wish I was syncing up with you guys in AC, but as fate would have it, I'll be in PP.

Porker,

I have caught myself, and corrected myself already several times as I write about Orchid Inn, referring to it as "Orchard" Inn in initial spellings of the word in my posts, and also in follow-ups.

For some reason, my fingers just like to type the word "Orchard." So, you are correct in assuming that I am referring to the Orchid Inn wherever you may see the word Orchard, LOL :-)

DM, I only spent one night at Orchard, I mean Orchid Inn. I am accused quite frequently of formulating premature conclusions without sufficient sampling, but it seems that we are in agreement that Orchid Inn may be preferrable to CP.

The fact is, I stayed in the "Premier" Room at CP for several nights in a row two weeks ago, and then I spent one night in Orchid Inn upon my return from Manila, in their Deluxe Room.

The price comparison between CP's Premier versus the OI's Deluxe Accomodation is about the same. But, I preferred the Orchid Inn quite a bit, except for the girls at the front desk. The girls at the front desk of CP are really HOT.

Regarding EDSA, after hearing some of the comments here, and on other boards, relative to EDSA, and Manila in general...the standard price structure, the potential, the variety, a higher percentage of HOT girls compared to AC, etc...I have already reconsidered my initial perceptions, and have decided that I owe Manila a more thorough review. I will probably try to spend at least a full three days there next trip.

Besides, now my girlfriend from the Manila Fishbowl is emailing me, and sending photos. The drama BEGINS...

De "Fishbowls" if they are the same as where I've been are referred to by the taxi drivers and customers as "Casas" ; derived from a Spanish word for some kind of luxurious country estate home (I could be wrong).

Almost every taxi driver in Manila (except for a newbie) will know exactly where the Casas are and they routinely bring foreign customers there as, the commissions earned from the booking out of ladies add substantially to their income.

The same applies to Cebu and probably all other venues in all of the Philippines and much of Asia.

By the way, Mx has refined the art of "interviewing" ladies in fishbowls to a "fine art" besides being able to pick out any talents in a large line up of fuglies!



(Message edited by crazier on December 18, 2005)

Hi Crazier,

Yes, you're right, the correct terminology in Manila is Casas. I mistakenly use the "Fishbowl" terminology to describe what was essentially designed to be a Casa type of presentation.

The Casa we visited was similiar to some of the booking places in Batam. But Batam seems to vary in their style of presentation, having a combination of Casas, and Fishbowl presentation styles with both one-way, two-way, or no glass being offered.

Regarding the Casa we visited in Manila, the girls filed into a room with couches on the opposite sides of the room, and you make your selection with them smiling and waiving to entice you to select them. Of course, we were only able to visit one Casa, so perhaps others of them are set-up with different styles of presentation.

Frankly, I prefer the open style of presentation compared to the one-way glass because at least you can gauge reaction from the girls prior to actually making a selection. With the one-way glass, I always wonder what the reaction of the girls might be to me following my anonymous selection of them. That is a variable that I do not like left open to speculation due to the effect on potential GFE. I would prefer to gauge their reactions to me prior to making a selection.

Regarding the Taxi Drivers, one would certainly think that most taxi drivers would know the good places to go, both Casas and Clubs. We did make a second attempt to try to explore more of the scene in Manila on the second day using a taxi. But, the taxi driver we drew as we exited the Hard Rock Cafe in Makati seemed surprisingly clueless about the specifics of where we could go for some good female companionship.

He seemed to know the going rates, and was quick to inform us that we could find some company for much less than what we had previously paid at the Casa, p3000 for LT, but when we pressed him for specific details as to where, and offered to use his services to explore the scene in Manila, offering slightly above the going rate for his hourly services, he was reluctant due to his own lack of specific knowledge of that scene, expressing concern that he did not know exactly where to go.

I suppose we were just unlucky, and got a taxi driver that was not "with-it." If we had more time, we would have found a new taxi driver, but time was short, and we gave up, probably prematurely.

Also, for newbies to Manila choosing to visit the Hard Rock Cafe and/or TGI Fridays in Makati, these restaurants are located in a mall in Makati. The taxi situation at this mall, and I assume at other popular destinations in Makati, can be quite a challenge.

There are specific places designated where taxis are strictly permitted to stop for pickup, usually right outside, not far from the main mall entrances. If you attempt to stop a taxi from any other location, you will have a very difficult time actually getting one.

The challenge is that on busy days, the numbers of people attempting to get a taxi at the designated loading zones can be relatively numerous, with people lining up in striped painted areas for a next turn.

We waited for quite some time, attempting to board not only from the designated lanes, but also from illegal points where taxis are not supposed to pickup passengers. We were never able to get a taxi to pick us up from an area that was not officially designated as an official pickup location.

Subsequent to finally getting a taxi, an endeavor that required about 20-25 minutes, our taxi driver explained that there are so many traffic enforcement people on the streets, and that the fine is so strictly enforced, and expensive, that getting a taxi from a non-designated pickup point is very difficult.

The driver pointed out numerous traffic enforcement personnel stationed along the roadways as we traveled between Makati and Ermita, pointing out that many of them have different uniforms, and are attached to different parts of government in Manila.

Apparently, each of the political subdivisions, and several individual governmental representatives has their own assembly of traffic enforcement officials. These traffic cops are abundantly visible as you travel along the various streets.

On the way to Makati, we observed snarled traffic, and many police motorcycles accompanying four or five limosines. The taxi driver informed us that it was the motorcade of the Mayor of Makati. The Mayor had a police escort and motorcade that would have rivaled that of a President or top official of the United States, similiar to what you might see of our very top Federal officials traveling the streets of Washington DC. All for a stinking Mayor!!! With the excess that is apparent in the numbers of traffic enforcement patronage jobs attached to each local government regime, I am surprised they are not traveling around Manila in helicopters, LOL!!!

(Message edited by Unspongebob on December 19, 2005)

Manila=Better looking women, but a few more steps to take and more pesos to waste.

Angeles City=A lesser looking woman, but much more "user friendly".

My job is very stressful and dangerous. I ride around in a Chevy all day long cruising some bad streets where drug transactions go down and gang members are always present. There were 9 cops shot in the city since July. Therefore, when I go on vacation, I like things to be set up for me. I dont like snags. Im not retired and so my time is limited and cant be wasted. Angeles City is so "user friendly" and everything seems right there. Walk across the street, throw your pesos on the table, and then you are soon walking out with the real deal. The only snags are maybe the girl who suddenly has her period or maybe gets overly clingy. Well, these are relatively minor forgivable snags in my view.

Manila does tend to have a better looking woman, but there are definately a few more steps to take and more knowledge required. My opinion is that you can find the same quality in Angeles City, however, you do have to look harder and be more aggressive in your search.

Manila and Angeles City require a different knowledge set. I have faith that with a few more trips you will be more comfortable with Manila. Although, its understandable if you just decide to make the trip directly to AC. You cant beat that walk across the street and get laid atmosphere.

Here is one good example. On the last night of my last trip, I had 3 different women in the course of 3-5 hours. The cost was less than 100 dollars and it was like rapid fire. I told them in the beginning that it was my last night and I just wanted short time. As soon as I was done with one, I went right across the street and reloaded with a fresh woman.

Would you be able to do that in Manila? Well, not for less than $100. The logistics, depending upon the hotel you stay at and the place you go to, you might not be able to get it done in 3-5 hours.

Nice writeup and hope to hear more in the future.