Your intrepid reporter continues his saga, oblivious to the insults and innuendos certain to be slung and arrowed by others whose taste in women is different than his, indeed, who may have a whole different algorithm for evaluating sex partners, and knowing that he was with some Pattayanas pretty low on the “pretty” scale. This part of the adventures lent itself to a different format than the previous chapters.

During my first month in Thailand, I managed to get to Pattaya for only two nights. During the previous (summer) trip, I had spent my last week with Yo, a Thai-Chinese Soi 6 (high-mileage) girl. See “2005/08 Hunterman: Adrift at Sea for details. I had tried to sms her when I first got to Bangkok, and got no response (it turned out a katoey had stolen her phone). But out of the blue, a few days before I was planning on going to Pattaya, she called me. She was trolling, just trying to see if I was around! I told her I would be coming Monday morning, to call me then. Actually, I was planning to drive down with Denny27 and Blumpy Sunday afternoon, but I had a hankering for something else before I saw her.

We drove down on schedule. Denny and Blumpy were old friends, and I hit it off with them too, so the drive went quickly. Blumpy was staying at my favorite hotel, Bella Prima Vista. I didn’t have a reservation there, but they had one room left—an expensive one, but I was happy to get something quickly and join my friends at Sabai Massage. There are several “Sabais” with similar names, this was on the northwest corner of Second Road and Soi 2.

What a fantastic time! My very first soapy. We sat in the viewing area and eyed the busty beauties—I had not seen so much sweater meat in one place in Thailand before. I chose one, and she gave me a great time—actually, better than the next two soapies I had later. The sex was great too. I was regretful that I had not tried this exquisite form of sensuality before. She kept me rock-hard for a long time, rubbing me with her body in ways I had not previously imagined, before we washed the suds off and jumped onto the bed.

As the three of us were driving away from Sabai, Yo called—a day early. Somehow, I was actually anxious to see her, although somewhat conflicted by my desire for “strange.” I found tellling her I was just pulling into Pattaya, come on over.

We spent the rest of my time in Pattaya together. I had a good time with, but it wasn’t as special as it had been the first time. Yo was still sexy, but somehow the sex wasn’t as great as it had been.

Photos: Yo 48 49 50 51

We ate some food off the street carts, I got some kind of bamboo shots and hot peppers dish that was so hot I could barely get it down, but I was determined to prove myself and eat it all. In the middle of the night, I felt a burning ball in my stomach, and soon thereafter it was coming out of both ends. Fortunately, I was able to get back to sleep after another unpleasant rendezvous with the throne, and went to the hospital across the street first thing in the morning. They gave me some pills, total cost for doctor and pills about $25, total time 20 minutes. Super efficient!

When I came back in January, I stayed at Sandy Springs on Soi 13. I sort of wanted to avoid Yo, who when last heard from was working at a beer bar (“Pussy Bar”) on Second Road around Soi 3 (and I was successful). I checked in, and walked down Beach Road around the area for a while—I was not familiar with that end of town. There weren’t any freelancers who were at all tempting. Later, I visited a couple of bars briefly, but wanted to get to the new Angelwitch.

I got there around 9:30, and mamasan Nic (who was on loan from the BKK Angelwitch to help get things going) came over to me right away, and sat me down. Buying her all those drinks in Bangkok had paid off. Before I could even check out all the talent, she said, “I have a girl for you. Big susus.” Nic brought over a girl she said was new to the business, and would give me a very good time. Although May was not beautiful, she did have large breasts and a decent body—and since Nic knew what I liked for performance, and assured me that May would deliver, I decided to barfine her. When she got back up to dance, a hostess—sort of a GRO—came over and was doing flirty things that got me hard. She seemed a little older, but was a cute-enough spinner with a good personality, and I might have taken her if I hadn’t already made my pick. I made a note to check out this GRO next time, but she was either busy or I didn’t see her on subsequent visits.

Back in the room, May was all that Nic had promised—and more. She said she wouldn’t sleep over, which peeved me, but then she made up for it by spending over 3 hours with me, including a second pop and some really nice playing around while we tried to communicate. She actually was new to the business, and camera-shy, so I only got a couple of pictures that really didn’t show off her assets. Fortunately, they also didn’t show off the bad tooth (I hope she’s gotten it fixed, it ruined her smile).

Photos: May 52 53

The next afternoon, I headed for Soi 6, where I had a good time with Jan at Red Point. Gurock1 was also staying at Sandy Springs, so I hooked up with him and we had dinner together before going to New Living Dolls One. We both noticed this cute spinner on stage at the same time, and he somehow ended up with her 10 seconds later, and was having a great time with her as the evening wore on. It took me a long time to find Ing (I interviewed several girls on whom I passed for various reasons), but she was a real sweetheart. Although she spoke very little English, we definitely connected in bed.

Photos: Ing 54 55

After Ing left the next day, I took my life in my hands and rented a motor scooter. Inspired by Epi’s “mastery” of the machine, having lived through a number of rides with him and one with Gurock1, I figured I could handle it. It had been at least 35 years since I drove anything with two wheels, never with a motor, and it took a little getting used to—along with a few near-misses and terrorized pedestrians. But it was fun, and I was just getting the hang of it when I had to leave three days later.

I also went to the Pattaya-Bangkok Hospital (recommended by my Bumrungrad physical therapy doc) two days to get physical therapy on my shoulders, and was surprised to find that it was 25% more expensive than Bumrungrad, for actually less therapeutic treatment.

That night, hanging out with Gurock1 and his spinner from the night before, I had trouble finding a girl that I liked. As it got late, I spent quite a while with one compatible cutie before discovering she wanted 2,500 baht for short time, and wouldn’t go below 2,000. Pissed, I left, and went over to Angelwitch—but it was after 2 AM. Only a few girls were left, but Nic brought over Nong. Another not-a-beauty with large breasts, whom Nic assured me I would like. Again, she was right. Nong not only had a great rack, but knew what to do with her mouth and body. We had a good time together, and we slept late before making love again. I was delighted that I could get to the bar that late and come away that satisfied.

Photos: Nong 56 57 58 59

After Nong left, I spent the day exploring Pattaya, Jomtien, getting happily lost and then found again. There’s much more to the area than I had seen with limited mobility. Pattaya Hill (I think it’s called) provided a spectacular view of the city and coastline, a romantic spot to remember for next time. I had a lot of fun driving around, and once I got out of the city traffic, it was easier (and safer).

In the evening, I went to Angelwitch again. A cutie named Nok caught my eye, I was intrigued by the shape of her mouth, which I thought was very sexy. Plus, I liked her tattoos. She was a little older, but was very sweet. After the interview over a couple of rounds of drinks, I barfined her. Another winner in performance—I was very happy.

Photos: Nok 60 61 62 63

The next day, I hooked up with Bwana_Dik, Ceenotes, and CortoGringo, who had arrived late the night before and were also staying at Sandy Springs. I went with them to find phone chips, taking the chance to walk along Second Road a ways and see what was there. When we finally found a phone store, Ceenotes was the only one who could get his phone to work, the others had one problem or another.

We went back to the hotel, and agreed to meet at Sabai Massage a little later. When I got there, they were almost ready to leave the hotel, so I went ahead on my own. I spent a few minutes looking over the busty beauties behind the glass and sipping a drink. Before long, one had caught my eye, and I went up with her. The soapy wasn’t quite as good as the one I had had there in November, but the sex was very good, although somewhat mechanical and dispassionate—the CBJ warm-up was good enough I didn’t mind the cover (which I normally HATE), but fortunately DFK was on the menu.

Ceenotes had called me to let me know they had arrived, with the excellent timing of ringing me just as I was about to get into the tub. And again, with precognitive timing, Ceenotes called again just as I had removed my spent raincoat and was OK to talk. This time he was complaining about his girl wanting to give a CBJ, and all I could say was that it happened to me. There wasn’t much I could do to help him, so I just finished washing up and tipped my girl 500 baht.

Afterwards, I went back down to wait for the other guys, figuring it wouldn’t be too long. I started observing the action outside (and inside) the fishbowl. Down the stairs came two girls together, one went back into the fishbowl. The other left shortly afterwards with a boyfriend-seeming guy that I hadn’t noticed before (I wasn’t paying much attention to the guys, so I didn’t really notice whether he had sessioned). So, Sabai was an equal opportunity establishment, apparently, although I didn’t enquire as to whether ANY of the fishbowl girls would go with a girl.

I saw some guys call a girl out of the fishbowl, have her stand or sit by them for a few minutes, then send her back—with little or no visible interaction. Maybe getting a closer look was all they wanted, and was allowable, several times in one case. I also asked the papasan about the CBJ situation, and he said it was up to the girl, and maybe the promise of a good tip would help.

LESSON LEARNED: You can negotiate services with these girls, and interview until you are satisfied with your pick, before you commit. Next time, I will be sure to make sure the girl does what I want before I pay, and be willing to throw a first choice back into the pond.

Anyway, after a long while, none of the other guys had shown up, so I called Ceenotes, and it turned out that they were at Sabailand, one block away, waiting for ME. I went there to join them, and got a good look at more massage girls. Damn, they have the busty babes in those places.

The others were jetlagged and wanted to rest, so I went to dinner with Gurock1, then we headed to New Living Dolls One—he was still with the spinner he had barfined from there days before. I spent a while there fooling around with a few different girls, and found one who turned me on. Then I spotted Ing, who came over when I offered to buy her a drink. She was friends with the girl I was talking with, and we started discussing a ST threesome. Seemed like a good way to spend my last night in Pattaya, before getting up early. But for some reason I don’t remember, the first girl didn’t work out, and another girl joined us—also a friend of Ing. This one (whose name I don’t remember) was older and not all that attractive, but was sexually aggressive and erotic, promising unspeakable delights back in the bedroom. So after a while I barfined them both, and I somehow managed to drive back with both of them on the back of my motor scooter.

In the bedroom, we had a good time—for a while. Ing was great again, she gave me a great BBBJ while I dined at the other girl’s Y, then I ate her while the other girl licked and sucked me. But when I mounted Ing, the other girl backed off, and I had to keep directing her. And after I finished, and came out of the bathroom, they were getting dressed.

Photos: Ing & Friend 64 65 66 67

I told them I wasn’t done yet, the deal was two pops, one with each (I had told them I wanted to do both of them, but maybe I hadn’t specifically said I wanted to come twice). The other girl said no dice, we’re finished, pay us. Poor sweet Ing was caught in the middle, trying to make peace. I gave them each 1,000 baht and the other girl said no dice, 1,500 baht. At first I said that was all they deserved and all I would give them, then I told them we would have to go downstairs to get change (I only had 1,000-baht bills).

What’s-her-name refused to leave, said I had to pay her 1,500 baht (we had not discussed price before). I told her we had to go downstairs, and she took out her cell phone and started to call somebody. I told her to stop and moved towards her, starting to get a little scared that this would not have a happy ending. Somehow, I kept her from calling for another ten minutes, while insisting we go downstairs so I could get change. She refused, so I picked up the phone and asked the desk to call security, to come up and remove the girl.

I answered the knock on the door to find a small Thai girl in uniform, but she convinced what’s-her-name to go downstairs. In the lobby, I got change for my 1,000, and told what’s-her-name that I wasn’t at all happy with her. To make my point, gave Ing another 500 and asked them to leave again, telling her I was not going to pay her any more. She started to call someone a couple more times, and I got her to stop somehow (she may have been bluffing). I wasn’t sure what might happen, I didn’t want some guys or the cops showing up at my door later—I had to get up early and go to Bangkok to catch a plane. Eventually, I gave her another 200 baht and told her that was it, now please leave. She would not, and was threatening to call whoever. So finally, I gave 300 more baht to Ing and told her she deserved it for being such a good sport trying to mediate the whole thing (with her 10 words of English), but I didn’t think her friend did. Then I stalked off and went to sleep. A poor ending to my last night.

The next morning when I went to return the motor scooter, the German restaurant in the condo next to Sandy Springs where I rented it was closed, and I had to impose on Gurock1 to return it for me later. At least I got out of Pattaya on time, on my way back to AC (thanks again, Gurock1). But that’s another story…..

Although May was not beautiful, she did have large breasts and a decent body

So why give us only face shots?

and tipped my girl 500 baht

For a covered BJ and decent sex? Why???


and she took out her cell phone and started to call somebody.

Obviously not a fun situation, but curious who you thought she was calling that put a scare into you? The hooker underpayment squad? MY reaction would be to kick her the fuck out with whatever you wanted to pay her and say she's 'mai dee'. Of course I ain't exactly the Thai cultural attache!

"oblivious to the insults and innuendos certain to be slung and arrowed by others whose taste in women is different than his"

hman, perhaps it's not obvious, but I for one think your a fine and generous young lad. The objection I have in cases such as Bua, are not directed at you as an individual, but rather my take about how she treated you. I won't argue that your tastes are FAR FAR FAR different different from mine, but I ain't paying and sleeping with them, so by all means...

Porker--Believe me, I wanted photos of those puppies, but these were the ONLY photos I could get. If a girl won't let me take pictures of her face, I ask her if I can just take pictures of her breasts--and I've got some body parts on film (chip) that way, with no faces to remember them by. No dice here even with that request.

I gave soapy girl the tip because my understanding was that 500 - 1000 baht tip was standard, and it WAS a good session overall.

No, you are not a candidate for cultural attache LOL (although personally, I'd prefer to have you setting the standards). If I didn't have a flight to catch in the morning, and little leeway for a more serious (police) problem because of the next flight (home), I would have indeed kicked them out. But there was just enough uncertainty, I figured the extra 500 or 1,000 baht was a worthwhile "insurance" premium. I still couldn't stomach giving what's-her-name the full amount so I gave the balance to Ing--sometimes I have to compromise, especially when I'm in a foreign country with different (and not fully known) rules.

My general rule is to part with the extra money rather than have the girl leave PISSED OFF (unhappy/stink face is OK) if she insists that I owe her more. I've done that enough times in Brasil. Life's too short, trouble is too much trouble. I actually held out longer with what's-her-name because I was so turned off by her attitude--not "you must have misunderstood what we offered to do," but "screw you, we're done and we're leaving." And the extra time I held them up kept them from getting back to their bar before it closed :-].

DM--water off my back. I appreciate "normative" comments on how Thai girls should treat their customers, when given in the spirit of helping a newbie--I am happy to learn from the experience of vets such as yourself, that's the point of my posting the raw truth of my experiences here. But comments on whether a girl is attractive or fat are harmful to this site, as they may discourage others from posting photos--and as you say, tastes are relative--one man's fantasy is another man's fugly (right, Masterbates?).

ya 500 baht tip is fairly stardard at soapies, assuming you had a good time. many soapie girls try to covered BBBJ act. Stomping it on the dirty floor usually resolved the issue.

I can't remember the differences between Sabai Land and Sabai Dee, but if you're paying 1600 baht upfront before going up, a tip for the girl is supposedly already included. Of course this needs to be clarified with the dude that takes your money downstairs before going up. If NOT paying in full in advance and you're only paying the 600 or so to the house, you better be tipping the girl more than 500 baht upstairs or she'll go ballistic, so in this case, Hman, sounds like you gave the girl a windfall for what you got (covered BJ).

My personal budget allows for philanthropy, thank you for noticing.

Nothing wrong with choosing service and tits over looks. Hard to find a happy medium. Some hotties are shitty in the sack and some are incredible, same with ugly girls. I have a feeling that in Thailand, you let the girl pick you instead of the other way around and this will give you great service normally but at a cost sometimes. Some guys are intimidated by hotter girls or just assume that they will not perform in the bedroom.

IMHO, doesnt matter as far as looks are concerned. The best girls are the ones who are hot but dont know it quite yet. I am also in the same boat as DM, my criticism was more geared at Bua who I used as an example of the new attitude of BKK girls. I probably shouldnt have been so harsh on her looks but I am not a tatoo guy and you seem to be.

You're right, it's your money and you can do with it what you'd like, but do you always feel so generous toward a girl that won't suck your dick without a rubber? I know they don't generally inspire ME to give them 50% extra compensation.

Hman, you've mentioned that you appreciate hearing about stuff you may have been doing wrong so you can learn from experience. Why is it, then, when people give you feedback, you get defensive? I'm not saying you did something wrong here, AGAIN, it's YOUR money, but just pointing out that you gave a rather large tip for what many would consider sub-standard service. And I'm guessing you did it because you weren't fully aware of the pricing/tipping structure.

UP TO YOU

Porker, I've always known the tip to be customary in soapies, even when paying the all inclusive rate. The amount of tip should be reflective of the service of course, 500 baht represents what is prety much standard fare these days.

As for the condom use, it is becoming quite the NORM in soapies, not the exception. I've always dismised it without much trouble, but one shouldn't go in with blind expectations (assume they are getting a BBBJ off the bat).

So you'e paying 2100 at the Pattaya soapies when everyone else is paying 1600? Again, WHY?

ohhh so "everyone" doesn't tip, like yourself eh?

I wouldn't know about the spending habits of people that don't know what they're doing. I got my information from Epi and the threads on this site and by talking to the guy that books the money at the Pattaya soapies and a girl I took that worked there. Apparently you pulled YOURS out your ass, and are now defending the practice of substantial tipping on top of an all-in fee, a fee for one of the shortest times available in Thailand.

Of course it sounds better if you make it a "Porker's a cheapskate thread" instead of a "Don Marco doesn't know what he's talking about" thread, doesn't it?

UP TO YOU

Ohh I thought you said everyone...


Go back trolling for takers-- I'm not biting.

Perhaps, offer the soapie girl a meal credit next time your in town and see how it goes over.

Perhaps, offer the soapie girl a meal credit next time your in town and see how it goes over.

Why would I need to do that when I paid the going rate?

Of course I could always give her her own ATM card... I hear THAT works!

Indeed. Money always brings a smile to a working girls' face ;)

Hunterman, great hanging with you. I left Pattaya a few days later and had the same problem with my motorbike deposit and return. Sorry you had so much trouble with your last girls. My girl of many nights Bee is still not on talking terms with no. 7 (don't remember name) after our episode where I got the barfine back from Living Dolls. Bee is still emailing me. BTW I agree with you, spending habits are up to the individual monger. If you or I want to give a big tip or no tip it is UP TO YOU. My first night with Bee I gave her 3,000 Baht as a tip, but at the end of my stay with her four nights longer, I gave her 8,000 Baht for all four of the other nights together.

Porker it was great meeting you and the other guys in AC and BTW I got out of PI on Thai Air the night I missed my plane.

Also my apology to the board for not posting a trip report yet.

Here are a couple of photo's of AC girls for the heck of it.

Photo: AC Sample 1
Photo: AC Sample 2

Gurock1 photos integrated.

whats all this talk of "tipping"? since when is a tip "standard fare"? who started this practice! Just tell her you'll look for her for the following night and the prospect of more money will have her leaving happily with the amount agreed upon. Hey, Im not cheap, but Im not rich either so stop tipping dang it! And while Im ranting, what's up with the covered bj? since when are rubbers the "norm"? id just as soon not get a bj at all! Looks like Porker and I have been going to a different Thailand. Oh, hi yawll. Long time member, 1st time post, been twice to Thailand by the way. cheers.

(Message edited by Pansolo80 on February 26, 2006)

"whats all this talk of "tipping"? since when is a tip "standard fare"? who started this practice"

have you been under a rock?


"Just tell her you'll look for her for the following night and the prospect of more money will have her leaving happily with the amount agreed upon."


I'm sure that will charm their panties off Have you looked around LoS with open eyes? Next trip figure out roughly the amount of punters vs the number of cuties...

"what's up with the covered bj? since when are rubbers the "norm"?"


In soapies, it is the norm for them to pull one out, it's up to you to put a stop to it.