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I took my last day slowly and packed up my belongings. I went around to all of my previous barfines and said my goodbyes. I hung around a few daytime places just talking with the women and discussing with them my thoughts about their future. A lot of these women have become good friends and could definitely picture myself bringing one of them back to the United States to start a life. Each of them seemed very sweet and true. If my situation was different, then maybe I would take a chance. As it stands now, I have other plans which will not allow that option. I will miss the ladies and the good times. As they remember me, I will also remember them.

I decided to barfine this 19 year old woman again for my last day because we didn’t have the opportunity for a quality session the first time. In my opinion, this woman is fairly attractive. Im not just attracted to Asian spinners, but many other types of women as well. This woman is 5’4, has a fuller body, and dark skin. More of a Latin look then Asian and exotic in my opinion.

Photos: 19yo Bar Woman 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140

We went out on the town to various places for dancing and drinking. It was a fun time. We had a few hotel room sessions. The sessions were hot and she was indeed more vocal then our last encounter, no disappointment here. One session was right before I was to bring my bags downstairs to the airport van. You can see the suitcase on the bed in the pictures. I always like to get in as much as possible before I have to leave back to the states.

She was definitely shy with the pictures and this is all I could possibly get. I did try hard and the only naked shot she would allow was with her half covered by towels. Well, you can at least see some of her body and she is definitely fit. You were thinking that I was going to come out with all guns blazing on the last day, haha, sorry guys. I felt like taking it slow, kicking back and just enjoying the moment.

On the way to the airport, I had some conversation with the driver. He was telling me how he had a job in Dubai before September 11th and was married. Then 9/11 hit and that seemed to change everything for him. He eventually went back to the Philippines, separated from his wife and now just drives people around for the Royal Amsterdam. He was telling me how women are the majority in the Philippines. There are too many women and too few guys in the Philippines. The women take their men very seriously because of this fact. This explains why, after a few heated sessions, so many Filipinas get attached and start considering you on a higher level. There is simply not the huge supply of guys as there is in the Western world for whatever reason.

I arrived at the airport and there was a looonnnngggg line of Filipinos (with a sprinkle of white American retirees) at the check-in counter. There must have been at least 100 people on this line. Was I going to wait in this super long line and conclude this trip on that note? Nope. I went right up to the business class counter because I was a member of the Marco Polo Club and got right by the mob.

Then I proceeded through two immigration checkpoints and more looonnnggg lines. Then I went down to a waiting area that resembled a 70s era Greyhound bus station with more of the mob sweltering about. Oh no, was I going to wait in this pit? Nope. I went right to the First Class lounge, which wasn’t as good as the other lounges I have experienced, but worlds better then the bus station esque lounge. There was a pretty Filipina receptionist and a waiter. Couches, armchairs, free food and even a small office to hook up to the internet. Nice. Another benefit of being a Marco Polo Club member. When they were boarding the plane, I was let right on past the mob of Filipinos and white retirees who were waiting in that horrible line.

Here is a picture of the lounge:



Soon I was in Hong Kong and yet another first class lounge. I will honestly never wait in another economy sitting lounge ever again. It sucks waiting to board with the masses. However, I still had to sit in the economy section on the airplane. This was a pain-staking task. I have placed a picture of it on here to demonstrate just what little room I had for the 18 hour flight. There were at least 2 screaming kids and the person in front of me insisted on reclining his seat all the way back to make as little room as possible for me.

Here is a picture, for purposes of comedy, what little room I had for 18 hours straight:



Here is another picture of the back of the entry form for purposes of comedy:



My opinion seems to differ from certain individuals on the board in regards to Angeles City. I have always had fun there and never had a problem finding the women that I wanted. Mongering is a piece of cake in that you check into the hotel, walk across the street, throw down your 20 bucks and then its out the door back to the room. The women come in all shapes and sizes, but there is no problem finding that 24 inch waist, 80 lb spinner woman. Most of the women are sweet, spirited, passionate individuals. I don’t think a guy can go wrong.

In judging any location, simply look at the pictures. If you are attracted to whats in the pictures, that’s all you need to care about. Make your decision based on that. . .

My favorite bar scene was the Blue Nile/Mysties/Nero area. There were many hotties in Blue Nile. I got a kick out of the monitor in the Executive Club area where you could just simply point out a woman and they bring the woman to you. Nice!

I would like to address one issue before I conclude this report. The women on this trip were noticeably more concerned about having their pictures posted on the internet and would not allow me to shoot video. Six months ago, it seemed as if I had no problems snapping shots and whipping out the camcorder on occasion. Apparently, there have been a few guys who have abused the privileges they are granted on message boards such as ClubHombre.

Angeles City is a close knit community and everyone knows when something happens. Their memory is excellent and they can remember random off the wall things that happened 12 months or more into the past. If you decide to show them the photos on here, then they will know who took them. They will also become more resistant to photos in general and you will not be able to get the shots you want. So not only will you embarrass the reporter, but you will also make it harder for yourself when you want to get a few shots yourself.

Fortunately, Hombre has implemented security where you cannot view pictures from the Philippines, but that still won’t stop someone who is very determined. So please, don’t do it. Thank you.

I have enjoyed writing this trip report and hope you have enjoyed reading it. Now that I am back here in the first world, its easier to appreciate things more. Until next time. . .

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Epi, you said it all. May our paths cross some day on Soi 6, and may we walk into Cambodia with Porker and Sancho.

For HER, "regular sex" may be her laying on the bed with her legs open cringing and praying it'll be done in the same amount of time it takes her uncle/boyfriend to finish.

Now THAT made me snarf some iced tea! Glad to see you haven't lost your gift for poetic language.

Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

I'm probably the last guy Ironeagle wants to hear endorse that, but I'd say everyone that's ever actually heard Epi lecture on the subject of mongering would agree 100%. As Epi once told me himself, "I've spent a LOT of time in bars. I've spent a LOT of time with bar girls. I'm not DRUNK when I'm doing these things. I pay attention and I NOTICE things".

I know that when Epimetheus speaks, I pay attention. I may be funny that way, though...

Well said master epi and gratz on your recent tests. IE, I personally don't know anyone that does not spend time in STD clinics... Besides Sancho, I've probably had more blood tests than nearly everyone.

And to Porker's point-- any tidbits of wisdom I may have shared over the years either ties indirectly or more often directly to the teachings of master epi. He is truly a "legendary" (sorry pru for borrowing your term) monger in terms of experience and knowledge. One would do well to heed his advice and apply it to whatever they happen to be into.

A Question for the experienced and knowledgeable mongerers please? Back in the early 70's when I was stationed at Subic Bay for three years, we used to take tetracycline before barhopping and taking out girls. It stopped us from getting the main STDs. What is the game now, if any, for the unprotected, no condoms, mongerer? I use condoms now but definitely don't like them.

IE,

I have enjoyed greatly your reports and want to say thanks for taking the time and effort to do them. I am returning to the Philippines in August for three weeks after being away for 30 years. I have been doing my mongering mainly in Europe, Costa Rica and Rio in the last ten years.

Have a Great Day

Epi,

"What IS "regular sex"?"

Since this is my trip report, then the definition will be my own. In your trip report, you can feel free to make your own definitions.


"However, just because you've have a few trips under your belts does not mean you "know" this town."

Another monger had emailed me asking for information on Angeles City and he implied that you guys have your own clique and were acting like "king shit" because you have been to Angeles a million times.

I will be very honest with you and please dont take offense. Your not king shit because you have been to Angeles a million times. There are other people here that have been to Angeles. There are other people here who have different points of views. Why can't we post our observations and points of view without getting slammed?

You sound like an old grandfather in a rocking chair dictating to an 18 year old. Im sorry, but thats not the case here. We are all adults and I can bet that all of us are over 30 with a whole list of life experiences. Your not my grandfather and Im not your boy.

"You would do wise to heed advice given by the people that have put in the time and bothered to share the wisdom earned over years of traveling to these same destinations...I bet if you started asking those questions of the girls you might find we know what we're talking about"

This statement sounds extremely arrogant. Why cant a person go to a location and post his observations and points of view? Does a person's point of view simply not matter because they have not been to Angeles 100 times and fucked the women in every hole without getting out of the bar?

The purpose of a message board such as this is for everyone to freely post their own opinions and points of view. Im sorry guy, but this isnt your personal board where if we have a different perspective then it must be wrong.

"Within the first twelve months of my initial visit to AC I had logged almost 7 weeks in that city and can tell you the luster will fade and you'll see this city as most of us now do."

I dont disagree with you on this point. In fact, if I logged in 7 weeks at any location then I too would be sick of it. I think I would be sick of most anything where I had to log 7 weeks. In fact, I was sick of Ft Knox when I had to log in 8 weeks over there and Ft Lee where I had to log in 4 months.


"You are using less then 1/3 of that town's potential. Why would you go to Thailand or any other destination in SEA when you haven't even explored a big chunk of THIS city. . .Walk it different times of the day on different days and you just might find something worth your while. . ."

I will be blunt once more. I dont need you telling me what I should do. You sit there in front of a monitor over the internet telling me that I am being judgemental in one sentence and then the next thing you do is tell me what to do. I know about the other parts of Angeles. Im fully aware of them. However, it is my choice not to visit them.

My biggest problem with this board is the attitude. There seems to be multiple cliques of people who feel that their opinion is the most accurate because they logged XX days in XX location. Are their opinions most accurate? The answer is I simply dont care. When I go to a location, I prefer to trailblaze my own path and report my observations. I dont want to follow some guy around. If I wanted to follow some guy around and listen to the bullshit of a bunch of dudes, then I would simply report to work.

I dont foresee ever being a part of any clique here. When I go to someplace, I really want the trip to be about me and not some group of guys. Why is that? Is it because I am selfish, stubborn and dont listen? No. Its because I work hard for my cash. When I go on a trip, it is truly about me. If I wanted to go to someplace where the theme is about someone else, then I would simply report to work.

Adios!

Evades,

Thank you for your compliments and thank you for your service to this country (US).

IE,

I didn't see epi's response worthy of such bitterness... Yes, he was slightly dogmatic, but then again so aren't u at times. When one posts a TR, it is open for comments, suggestions, critisms, etc, etc. Get used to it.

You didn't define "normal sex" and hense he alluded to the ambiguity of the sentence. There is no arguing you should do as u want-- it is your trip. However, that is not to say that one cannot learn from the experience/s of others.

I don't know about a clique, but yes many "regulars" have been on numerous trips together and have formed friendships-- is that a bad thing? I went on dozens of trips solo before meeting up with folks, and I can safely say that meeting and enjoying the company of such folks as epi, mx, blazers, porker, socrates, khunmor, and dozens others (no offense), have been not only rewarding from a buddy perspective, but I've learned more from them then I could of 10 years solo. Yes, I march to my own drummer, but that doesn't mean I don't watch, listen, and absorb. There is no King Shit-- afterall we're for the most part talking about plugging some cheap whores, albeit nice ones, aren't we?

IE, I can kinda see where you are coming from, but also believe you are taking it too much to heart. I don't like to see these threads turning into silly catfights like they occasionally do.

I do know that your postings of late have been interesting and valuable and like you say, reflect your experiences and point of view. To that I say "here, here."

I also know that I've been a member of CH pretty much right after Redsnake went belly up, and there's not one person on the board than I'd rather see in action, LIVE, than Epi, especially in Thailand. I DO NOT want to party with Epi in AC however, as I may never live to tell about it. LOL

Keep on posting IE, people are reading you know.

When I go on a trip, Im out to have a good time. When I write a report, I simply tell you what I observe.

Legitimate criticism, suggestions and comments are welcome. However, if you put me down either on here or in real life then I will come out swinging. . .

If you want a reward for going to Angeles City a million times and need to be recognized for the effort, then I will gladly send you some hash marks to sew onto your sleeves. I will also make up a little certificate and maybe we'll have a presentation ceremony. Maybe Hombre can post the pictures of the ceremony up here.

The purpose of a message board such as this is for everyone to freely post their own opinions and points of view.

You are so very right. Doesn't at ALL mean everyone's "opinions and points of view" are right or packed with any sort of wisdom and should be off-limits to critique from the other members of the community. I don't THINK anyone is telling you to shut up, but rather that paying attention to the experiences of others can benefit you greatly instead of having to learn things the hard way by claiming you know everything already and closing your mind.

If you want a reward for going to Angeles City a million times and need to be recognized for the effort, then I will gladly send you some hash marks to sew onto your sleeves. I will also make up a little certificate and maybe we'll have a presentation ceremony. Maybe Hombre can post the pictures of the ceremony up here.

Makes about as much sense as awarding oneself a PhD in whoremongering after limited self-study and demanding that the public at large respect those credentials as being above criticism when posting treatises on the subject.

If she is smiling my way and eyeballing me, then there is no further questioning needed. . .

Yeah, if you want to take video of her and she "no like", you just hide the camera, right?

"I don't THINK anyone is telling you to shut up, but rather that paying attention to the experiences of others can benefit you greatly instead of having to learn things the hard way by claiming you know everything already and closing your mind."

I have never stated that I do not pay attention to the experiences of others. I have never stated that I know everything and that I was closing my mind. I have never stated that I was awarded a PHD in whoremongering. I have never stated that my ideas are now off-limits to the mongering community. When did I ever state "Hey guys, Im not paying attention to you and guess what, I now know everything and the mind will be closed. As well, Im going to award myself a PHD in whoremongering and my ideas are now off-limits."

These are items that you have unfairly and wrongly assumed based upon reading a trip report. I will admit, I had a great time and it was a well deserved vacation.

Just because I had a great vacation and write about it, does that mean that I am now usurping the experience of others and claiming the PhD to mongering? Why cant you just let a guy write about his experiences without insulting him? Why cant you allow others to question him about his journey? Are you jealous that they are not asking you for advice? Is this how you treat people who come back from a vacation and have nothing but good things to say?

My opinion is that you are an insecure individual. Your jealous when someone writes a good report and somehow you feel upstaged. The only guys on this board that you write good things about are those who you have met personally. Just because you have not met a guy in real life and he is not a part of your clique, does that mean you have to lean on his reviews? I know that I am not the only guy on this board you have gotten into a fight with. . .In fact, I think Hombre had written a chapter about the fight in fact.

Let me let you in on something here. I dont think any of the mongers on this board do this professionally. I believe they are just going on these trips to get laid and have fun. There is no right or wrong way to have fun or to get laid. If a guy has fun, then he didnt do anything wrong. No one is trying to upstage you. No one is trying to usurp your knowledge or experience. We are simply trying to report our observations and conclusions.

So I think you should get over yourself and let other guys go on their vacations.

"If she is smiling my way and eyeballing me, then there is no further questioning needed. . .

Yeah, if you want to take video of her and she "no like", you just hide the camera, right?"


Instead of hiding over the internet and making your two-bit witty comments, why dont you meet in-person with the guy to discuss your issues.

Honestly, I think your a coward and wouldnt do it. You dont have the balls to come here or even get on the phone with me to tell me your issues. Instead, you hide behind a screen typing whatever you want.

Hey man, we are not going to hit you once you start spewing your bullshit. We just want to know what your issues are.

I love quoting myself!

By Porker on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 12:00 am: Agree with others, good report, and thanks.

Believe me, I have no problem with anyone enjoying their vacation. I actually especially like it if they share their experiences here for all to enjoy.

You like to express opinions in your posts. Hey, that's great, it leads to discussion. But when someone (generally me, in particular) disagrees with those opinions or takes you to task about how your experience has led to those opinions, you get ultra-defensive.

The "mongering PhD" comment is based on my perception of your posts -- IMO you spit out your opinions like they are facts when they most certainly are not. It started with your first trip report and has continued ever since. The most blatant example was when (and I know I'm misquoting you...) you opined that the reason why PI pics are substandard on this site is because most of the pic posters are old and out of shape and the HOTTIES won't leave the bar with us. Immediately contrasting this with your own experience, of course. And knowing NOTHING about what most of the mongers on THIS SITE are like and what kind of girls they pull out of bars and what kind of girls (OH so rarely) turn them down. Just one example of you sounding like a misinformed ASS.

I eagerly await your crying about how Porker just "called me an asshole". Please learn to read better.

Re: your analysis of me, thanks, I'll try to change...

And re: discussing these things in person, no thanks. I have little interest in arguing or listening to people I don't know whine while I'm on vacation.

IE-- I'm sure your a fine chap, but you certainly get defensive for one in touch with their freudian self. You took comments make by some folks personally and now are doling out uncalled for personal swipes. Easy bro... These folks, including myself, say what's on our mind and are usually pretty blunt about it. Hell porker pisses on my boots weekly... So what? I drink a pint and give him a shower when I'm up for it.

Ya there is a clique here, and guess what --- your in it. Everyone on this site has a common yet unique interest and we're all part of a community, regardless of some petty differences.

next chapter?

"We just want to know what your issues are."

Who is we? I certainly don't want to look at what lurks in Pork's closet!

DM, come on, I haven't gone after you for WELL over a month!

And re: what's in my closet: Lots and lots of ungraded papers Will be on the Mexican unemployment line soon if I don't fix THAT problem!

Ironeagle, I was severely understating my praise that I initially posted in this thread:

I commend you on taking the time and making the effort at posting this report LIVE from a mongering destination. Seeing something like that is very rare, and it was a treat to see things through your eyes while it was unfolding. Well, especially after you got out of the airports!

Thank you again.

Will be on the Mexican unemployment line soon if I don't fix THAT problem!

Porker-- That's the line that forms just to the south of the Rio Grande di ba ??

Welcome back to the good ole USA. hehe.

BTW I hate cliques unless I'm the only male involved.

....

(Message edited by ironeagle on May 03, 2006)

OK, I give up.

(Message edited by Porker on May 03, 2006)

"Ironeagle, I was severely understating my praise that I initially posted in this thread:

I commend you on taking the time and making the effort at posting this report LIVE from a mongering destination. Seeing something like that is very rare, and it was a treat to see things through your eyes while it was unfolding. Well, especially after you got out of the airports!

Thank you again."

Now this is a nice well written comment. I thank you for that.

(Message edited by ironeagle on May 03, 2006)

Lot's of ungraded papers AHHHHHHHGHHHHH. Oh god NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Sounds like you may just need to give them "a completion grade" then everybodys happy. LOL

IE

Another monger had emailed me asking for information on Angeles City and he implied that you guys have your own clique and were acting like "king shit" because you have been to Angeles a million times

That's interesting as I too have received emails, IMs and PMs from people thinking you're also someone that, perhaps, overestimates their knowledge of Angeles. This isn't a bad thing - just other peoples opinions (just like assholes, everyone has them). That, in and of itself, is not a bad thing. Perhaps we have more in common then you (and I) care to think...

The purpose of a message board such as this is for everyone to freely post their own opinions and points of view

Now this is a nice well written comment. I thank you for that.

You don't seem to mind the kindler, gentler posts, however as you stated "The purpose of a message board such as this is for everyone to freely post their own opinions and points of view." If you write something on this (or just about ANY site like this) you GOTTA be prepared to have people question you... and sometimes in ways you might not expect or appreciate. I question you because that is what this board is for.

You sound like an old grandfather in a rocking chair dictating to an 18 year old

When I was preparing for my first trip I spent MONTHS researching on the internet and talking with vets of the scene. These aren't the guys that have been going for a few years, but gents that have mongered for DECADES before I entered the scene back in the early 90s. I listened to them, processed what they did and played the game by their recommendations with a few exceptions. What I discovered was, when deviating from their rules of thumb I (usually) ended up not getting what I really wanted.

When Porker made his first trip to the PI I answered his questions via email, then when we hooked up in Manila I proceeded to pass along this information that has proven to be invaluable. Porker had an amazing time and the only real bumps in the road were from deviation from the basics.

My experiences, and the experiences of others that have been introduced to Asia with the same basic principles has proven to me that the things I do in each location work. Now, sometimes I get overzealous with my recommendations but you've the right to disagree with my opinion (as you stated above).

You know, it's kind of funny... I was thinking you resembled a teenager that discounts what others know because they already know it all. Who knows, maybe we are both wrong... and both right...? Hmmm...?

My biggest problem with this board is the attitude. There seems to be multiple cliques of people who feel that their opinion is the most accurate because they logged XX days in XX location.

Cliques? Hmmm. Years ago I made the effort to get in touch with everyone traveling to Asia from this board. You know what happened? I discovered I had a lot in common with these people. This does not mean we're from the same place/job/ethnicity/etc - we're men out to have fun in a land filled with pussy. People from all over the globe that have the same, basic drives I do. Are many of us friends? Yes. Do we think exactly alike? You might say many of us have similar views. There are differences, but we tend to celebrate them (as a rule) and try to give each other shit about it when we have the chance

If you think I am your "enemy" then you are mistaken. I am a hobbyist attempting to share the information I have taken years and thousands of dollars to accumulate. Just because I don't agree with YOU does not make it something worth getting in a huff over.

I will be blunt once more. I dont need you telling me what I should do.

You are correct - you do NOT need me to tell you what to do. I was not commanding you to go back and fuck girls on Santos St or on Perimeter Rd. I stated (maybe in a tone a bit too gruff for you) that you might actually find these venues worth the time and effort, just as you currently find the Fields bars. I offered constructive advice to someone the clearly does not want any. However, this advice might have been useful to some of the others on the board as well. The comment, while directed at you, was not meant EXCLUSIVELY for you. You posted your TR on this board for the benefit of others and I responded to you and to everyone else. So, maybe you don't need me to tell you, but I bet there's others out there that might find my advice useful (along with the list of questions you discarded). Once again, you posted on a public board and this report may be read by future generations of mongers that want to learn about Angeles City.

We are not advisaries, regardless of what you think. You and I are after the same, exact thing when we go to Asia - a good time. I realize you might not agree with me, but maybe some day you will... or not...

If we happen to find ourselves in the same destination in Asia one of these days I'd like to think we'd hop a few bars together. You might find that I do not sport satan horns with pointy tail and am actually a pleasant enough guy (most of the time)...

Huevon

Thanks for the words of encouragement. Perhaps we'll meet up in Asia as well...

E

Here is where I stand. Let me put this in perspective for you.

Imagine a group of guys gathered around a water cooler at work or in a gym around a locker or any other gathering point for that matter. Everyday, each guy gets their turn to be the stand-up guy and tell their “cock and bull” story to the crowd about some experience where they got laid.

Imagine me in the background of this crowd. I have been sitting there waiting my turn to tell my story. Finally, I have a story to tell and when I tell it, there are a few guys in the background who start heckling me. Keep in mind, I have been waiting in the background of the crowd patiently and never truly heckled anyone else. I listened to their trip reports without even throwing my hand into the air.

In essence, this is exactly the same situation and it wouldn’t be unreasonable for the story teller to get angry at the hecklers.

“If you write something on this (or just about ANY site like this) you GOTTA be prepared to have people question you... and sometimes in ways you might not expect or appreciate. I question you because that is what this board is for.”

By this logic, then we should all come out and say whatever we want about the trip reports on ClubHombre. There have been many times where I have read a member’s trip report and there was something that didn’t rub me the right way. Maybe the women were not attractive to me like in the Brazil trip reports. Maybe I disagreed with someone choosing hotel A versus hotel B. So why don’t I just come out and say whatever is on my mind? Would you appreciate if I threw a few choice comments into your report? I mean you did say that I could freely write anything that I wanted. . .

Honestly, I don’t engage in those practices, because I respect the house that I am in. I don’t desire to turn this board into a flame machine as it will just destroy it. Free speech doesn’t mean you can scream fire in a movie theatre. As well, I don’t think I should be turning this message board into a flaming wreck.

As well, if you have a personal issue with a member on the board, its best that you solve this in private and not willfully flame the person. There is a difference between disagreeing with a technical aspect of a trip and having a personal issue. Personal issues should not be vetted in a public forum as its very disrespectful to everyone here. Yourself, Hombre and every member of the board. Its also juvenile and immature.

Believe me, I know Hombre’s job. Long after you are in bed, he is still up looking through this crap and wondering what to do next. Is that fair to this man? Maybe you should go down to San Diego and be webmaster for a week to see what this man goes through. Once you lose a little sleep and see how hard his job is, then you would change your tune.




“That's interesting as I too have received emails, IMs and PMs from people thinking you're also someone that, perhaps, overestimates their knowledge of Angeles.”

I went on a trip and wrote about what I observed and experienced. If you guys are up nights chatting on yahoo messenger about me, then you should go to bed. If you are thinking this hard about what is written on a message board, then we need to sit down and talk. The stock market is up, the weather is nice and the whole world looks positive. Meanwhile, you guys are sitting on yahoo messenger planning on how to flame me on ClubHombre because you disagreed with my observations.

Im not “overestimating” my knowledge on any particular area. I am posting my observations. The observations are of course my opinion and are subjective in nature. Ever see the bit on 60 minutes where they demonstrate how two witnesses of the same crime relate a different story? If you are as mature and knowledgeable as you claim, then you should know that my observations are subjective and not objective.

While you have been to Angeles many times, that doesn’t make your observations factual or true. Lets say Monger A loves the Clarkton Hotel and believes that the Perimeter is where its at. He goes out each night picking up overweight women at the Perimeter bar. Then there is Monger B who loves threesomes with slender women but stays at the Blue Nile and loves Fields. They both write trip reports, but the reports sound totally different. Who is right? No one is right and no one is wrong. They are both stating their subjective observations based upon their personal preferences. Is it wrong that Monger A likes overweight women from the Perimeter bar? Is it wrong that Monger B likes threesomes with slender women from Fields?

Each person on Clubhombre has a different personality and will conclude different things about different locations.

“When I was preparing for my first trip I spent MONTHS researching on the internet and talking with vets of the scene. These aren't the guys that have been going for a few years, but gents that have mongered for DECADES before I entered the scene back in the early 90s. I listened to them, processed what they did and played the game by their recommendations with a few exceptions. What I discovered was, when deviating from their rules of thumb I (usually) ended up not getting what I really wanted.”

This is your own personal style. As I said before, I like to trail blaze my own path when it comes to vacations. Is it so wrong that I like to trail blaze where as you like to research? Im not spending your money, Im spending my own hard earned money on these trips. Therefore I should be able to do what I want. How could you be taken aback by how I spend my own money? I would like to see what happens when I actually start spending your money.

In other areas of my life, I do not like to trail blaze such as with the stock market. I like to read books, monitor the news, etc. However, this is just a vacation. Its only a vacation.



“ If you think I am your "enemy" then you are mistaken. I am a hobbyist attempting to share the information I have taken years and thousands of dollars to accumulate. Just because I don't agree with YOU does not make it something worth getting in a huff over”

The main issue at hand is personal differences. My nature is that when someone gets in my face with personal comments then I am ready to defend myself. My honor, my pride is the most valuable thing that I have. I am ready to protect it.

“You know, it's kind of funny... I was thinking you resembled a teenager that discounts what others know because they already know it all. Who knows, maybe we are both wrong... and both right...? Hmmm...?”

No one here knows it all, but everyone sees things differently. I learned from the military and from trading that everyone’s knowledge is valuable no matter what the experience level. There is no right or wrong way to visit Angeles or any of these other locations. Your going to get laid no matter what and probably by a woman that is at several levels above what you would get in the states.

I don’t discount what you think or believe. I like to go in there and create my own new adventure rather then reliving your old one. . .

Believe me, I know Hombre’s job. Long after you are in bed, he is still up looking through this crap and wondering what to do next. Is that fair to this man?

Ironeagle, has anyone EVER told you NOT to post your opinions about ANYTHING? In the "Hombre trip report" thread you personally HIJACKED, he came right out and said "BRING IT" if you have something to say. That ain't flaming, hoss, that's called an exchange of ideas.

Apparently you didn't read Hombre's response about you whining and crying about 'THE BIG BAD KING SHITS FLAMED ME' in that thread, so I'll regurgitate it for you, just so you can sleep easier that Hombre doesn't lose sleep nights worrying if your feelings might be hurt because the guys at the water cooler rolled their eyes at your AC 'discoveries' (prominently opining that AC girls are useless for 3somes and Anal, that interviewing potential barfines is a waste of time, that pics of PI girls on CH suck because they were taken by loser-ass mongers, and that Fields Ave. is 'the shit', to a degree that all other locales in town should be ignored):



By Hombre on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 01:41 am: It would be easier for me if everyone was polite and diplomatic when they posted, but I don't expect it, I don't ask for it, and I don't think I'd like the end results. I think CH would be less interesting, not because of fewer flames, but because people were slowly and carefully constructing everything they wrote so as not to offend anyone.

Epimetheus was about as "polite and diplomatic" in his response to YOUR FLAME ('king shits', 'I'm not your 'boy') directed to his initial rather constructive criticism as any reasonable person could be expected to me. Yet you continue to whine and cry about how you're getting 'dissed' (and unfairly so) for posting your observations. Dude, WAKE UP!!! NO ONE is FLAMING YOU! Just suggesting you CHILL OUT and not SHOOT THE MESSENGER when someone disagrees with you!

Hoping that you might actually LISTEN to the opinions of those that actually deign to disagree with you is beyond hope. All further efforts to encourage you in that regard seem to ME, to be PISSING IN THE WIND!!!

If you guys are up nights chatting on yahoo messenger about me, then you should go to bed.

So should the guy plotting a 'hostile takeover' of CH. Completely unnecessary. All opinions are welcome here. As I can attest from my own personal experience, even if you commit BLASPHEMY and say that in Thailand, "the whoremonger's emperor, he, he, he, HAS NO CLOTHES!!! "

Another monger had emailed me asking for information on Angeles City and he implied that you guys have your own clique and were acting like "king shit" because you have been to Angeles a million times

I like to go in there and create my own new adventure rather then reliving your old one. . .

Good for YOU! The part where I lose you is where we're all supposed to bow down and be impressed when you tell us that you did it better than WE ever did?

By Ironeagle on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 04:12 pm: I agree with you on some of the pictures posted up. There are some that are definately not entertaining. However, there is a very good reason in regards to the quality that you see.

If you have ever visited the Philippines, you would realize that most of the Americans in this place are out of shape retirees. Sometimes huge guts, white hair or no hair, etc. Many of the Filipinas at the bars are selective and wont walk off with some of these guys. They will make up an excuse such as they are on their period or hide in the back. The less selective ones (who will walk off with the older folk) tend to be the more non-attractive ones.

If your a younger, in-shape gentlemen then you tend to have the pick of the bars.

I know I will get a few flames from here about this, however, Im simply pointing out what I have heard from the ladies and what I have personally observed.

If you look through my photos, I think I did fairly well. No giant hogs. . .".

"So why don’t I just come out and say whatever is on my mind? Would you appreciate if I threw a few choice comments into your report?"


why not? I do.

Hey, why does the Perimeter girl have to be fat and the Fields girls slim?..lol

Ya know, I also used to have prejudice against Perimeter Road bars and Santos St. but now I am shocked to find out that there are plenty of thin and pretty girls in both destinations. I think Epi was just trying to point out that "ya shouldn't knock it until ya try it". Of my 10 best looking fucks from AC, I would say half are from Perimeter bars...how's that for Blazing trails.

Remember, if you are going to consider yourself a trailblazer(Go Portland) then you should try stuff out that is new and different not subscribe to your own misconceptions and/or prejudices. The key here is to be humble. You might be suprised how some of us on the board look when you meet us...not all fat old guys. Most of the friends I have met on this board are in their 30's and good looking dudes. Most of them are guys that can get ass for free in the States but choose not to. We all pay in the end anyways.

"Good for YOU! The part where I lose you is where we're all supposed to bow down and be impressed when you tell us that you did it better than WE ever did?"

This is my biggest problem with you. You read too much into what I write and then make broad based assumptions. Then you throw a few choice words in there. Did I ever come out and say that I did it better then you did?

This is why I feel you are an insecure individual. You read an overly positive report and then somehow feel threatened. Of course its going to be overly positive, I just got laid over 10 times in a week. Im definately not going to sound negative. If I sounded negative and just got laid by over 10 women in a week, then I need to sit down and rethink life.

"In the "Hombre trip report" thread you personally HIJACKED"

Hijacking is a very strong word. I never hijacked anything. You are again taking things out of context.

"prominently opining that AC girls are useless for 3somes and Anal"

Where did I use these exact words? My subjective opinion is that I believe it is difficult to have a quality 3some in AC. Is it so wrong that I think that? We can pick this apart all day long of the various factors and personal preferences. In the end, its not so wrong to believe either way and it comes down to personal preferences.

As for anal, its not for me. I have tried it a few times in life with messy results and women crunched over in pain. I never could replicate it like they do in the porn movies, so I gave up. Is it so wrong that I have come this subjective conclusion?

"that interviewing potential barfines is a waste of time"

I NEVER said that it was a waste of time. You are now throwing words into my mouth.

"that pics of PI girls on CH suck because they were taken by loser-ass mongers"

Where did I say that they were a bunch of losers? Where did I say they were a bunch of asses? Again, this is something that you have read into my posts as a result of your personal insecurities.

"that Fields Ave. is 'the shit', to a degree that all other locales in town should be ignored"

Where did I say to ignore all other locales? I simply said that the Perimeter was not for me. If you drink Coke where as I drink Pepsi, am I making a statement that you should ignore Coke? This is a matter of personal preference.

"Epimetheus was about as "polite and diplomatic" in his response to YOUR FLAME ('king shits', 'I'm not your 'boy') directed to his initial rather constructive criticism as any reasonable person could be expected to me. Yet you continue to whine and cry about how you're getting 'dissed' (and unfairly so) for posting your observations."

The British are a set of kind and diplomatic people, but why did the Americans start throwing their tea into the sea. Its because the Americans wanted to make a statement because they had perceived that their individual rights and freedoms were being ignored. When I see that my rights and freedoms are being ignored, then Im going to throw your tea into the sea. Its only the American thing to do.

"If you have ever visited the Philippines, you would realize that most of the Americans in this place are out of shape retirees. Sometimes huge guts, white hair or no hair, etc. Many of the Filipinas at the bars are selective and wont walk off with some of these guys. They will make up an excuse such as they are on their period or hide in the back. The less selective ones (who will walk off with the older folk) tend to be the more non-attractive ones."

Yes I did post this up, but is what I am saying so untrue? Is there not a crowd of out of shape retirees in the Philippines? Do the filipinas not take this into consideration when a monger enters the bar? Do some of the filipinas actually go running into the back or say they are on "mens"?

I am doing a public service by posting this up. This might encourage the out of shape folks to tighten up their belly and I could be saving them from an untimely death caused by obesity. A monger might decide to diet and get himself in shape before his visit to Angeles City as a result of reading that statement.

I will admit, the post does not sound politically correct. However, this is what I observed when I went on my trip. There were indeed many out of shape retirees. When I spoke to some of the women, they had openly admitted running and hiding in the back or making the "mens" excuse.

While the message isnt a popular one, I believe it is still noteworthy. The message might offend some, but it might get others into shape thereby improving their general health and maybe preventing a heart attack or so. If I offended 100000 mongers with the post, but the message came across to just 1 monger then I feel the post is noteworthy. Maybe I added a few years to that 1 mongers life because he started working out as a result of believing that he might not get the quality ladies in AC.

As for Blazers post
"The key here is to be humble. You might be suprised how some of us on the board look when you meet us...not all fat old guys."

I have never stated that this board is composed of a bunch of fat old guys. This is something that you construed and assumed based upon a few of my posts. Why dont you come out and ask me what I meant? When you assume, then you get a mess like Iraq.

Blazers is a guy that I both hate and love. I once hated attorneys with a passion. Then when I found out how people take your words out of context and assume, I then saw the need for these individuals in our society. We need some smooth slick talking guys to defend loud mouthed opinionated guys like myself.

First trip to Angeles, and all the girls confide in you?

Oddly, many girls have told me the opposite: that they prefer older men who know how to satisfy a woman over young guys into sport-fucking.

I DO NOT declare my experience as proof of fact. Rather, I offer an opinion for your consideration: it is likely that professionals, however young and sincere-seeming, are adept at telling you what you want to hear.

Ironeagle, thanks for replying with less crying and whining.

Your post about AC mongers being old and out of shape was directly aimed at the members of this site, you came right out and said that's why the pics on this site weren't as good as yours. IMO, it was a rather stupid thing to say.

But you're right, maybe some of us will get off our fat asses and get in shape and live longer and we'll owe it all to YOU! You're an inspiration to us all!!!

Oh, and the best part, FINALLY those stuck up bar girls will play with us...

"First trip to Angeles, and all the girls confide in you?"

This isnt my first trip to Angeles.

"Oddly, many girls have told me the opposite: that they prefer older men who know how to satisfy a woman over young guys into sport-fucking."

Thats the spirit. Confidence and security in knowing who you are. At all points in life, you always have to look at the glass half-full rather than half-empty.

No one seems to like a cocky bastard, but without that cockiness, where would America be today? Ronald Reagan was a good example where everyone was pointing out his age during his election campaign. Instead, he pointed out his opponent's youth and inexperience. They were pointing at the glass half-empty where as he was pointing at the glass half-full.

"Your post about AC mongers being old and out of shape was directly aimed at the members of this site, you came right out and said that's why the pics on this site weren't as good as yours. IMO, it was a rather stupid thing to say."

No one likes the drill seargent coming into the barracks with a steel garbage can waking people up in the morning. It seems kind of rude. However, this man's intentions are not destructive.

So when I come banging my steel garbage can on this message board stating that you guys are out of shape, Im really doing it for a positive reason.

But how many of us have you actually met, again? One? Yet you supposedly "know" something about us? You supposedly "know" that bar girls of the caliber that would barfine with YOU are somehow turning US down and hiding in the CR because we're all old and out of shape?

I'll say it again: You don't KNOW diddly about the majority of us on this board, and making blanket generalizations like you are is ridiculous.

Oh, and assuming for one second that you have all of us pegged 100% accurately as guys that couldn't pull a hottie out of an AC bar if the building was burning down:

THANK GOD FOR PISO-NALITY!!!

IE,

I posted a very succinct (and polite) comment, hoping you might actually read through to my gentle point. Alas, your attention span appears too short for any thoughts but your own.

Can you spell "passive-aggressive"?

"But how many of us have you actually met, again? One? Yet you supposedly "know" something about us. . .(rambling paragraph about nothing deleted)"

Porker,

Your like a little kid that seems to be never satisfied with the adult's responses, keeps reading things into what other people say and then constantly asks follow-up questions. Then you make sweeping and overly broad generalizations based upon a few sentences of someone else's words. Maybe this is why you cant get a decent job in the United States and have to resort to employment down in Mexico. Honestly, I would not hire or trust you to be a gas station attendant with your insidious attitude.

One, I never claimed to "know" everyone on this board.

Two, I never said that bargirls are turning everyone down and hiding in the CR. I stated that some of the women I spoke with on occasion hide out from other mongers who they feel are questionable. No generalizations were made there and I simply reported what they had told me.

At this point, I have no interest in meeting you. In fact, I know full well why you tend to travel in large groups. Its because your attitude is so poor that someone is probably going to kick your ass if your alone.

Admin: Edited per Ironeagle's suggestion

Tujunga,

At this point, I am active aggressive. Better keep your two bit friend "Porker" down in Mexico where he belongs.

If I ever meet up with him, he better have his little group of buddies around or a few cops. Thats the only thing that will stop him from getting his ass kicked.

Admin: Edited. See note two posts above.

Aaah, so now the true colors come out...

My fight is just with you buddy. Not your friends. In my opinion, your a liability to your friends as you might get them hurt. Insecure asshole.

Your the only American I know that has been banished to Mexico because he cant fit in in the United States.

(Message edited by ironeagle on May 06, 2006)

How bout those Red Sox? ... next topic?

Again, I give up.

Admin: Edited per Ironeagle's suggestion

IE-- I know your upset, but I do think personal/physical threats are a breach of conduct here. Unruffle those feathers and thicken up that hide a bit.

I am a little upset over your buddy "Porker". He seems to be constantly egging people on and then just waits for a negative response.

He has gotten into more then a few fights on this message board (and other message boards too). Im a nice guy at heart, but I dont let guys like him walk over me.

Put it into perspective. Don't let petty BS get u too fired up. Mai bpen rai my friend.

There is no one on this board that gets me fired up except for Porker. I feel like I can talk intelligently with anyone here except for that guy.

I sent a letter to Hombre already and have decided to ignore that guy from here on. This jerk isnt worth the time. I have said what I had to say.

Back to the report, we've covered some of the same ground in terms of girls-- nice choices ;)

Thank you.

There was only one disappointment of the trip. There was a tall dark woman at Mysties who was wearing the shot girl outfit. She was at least 5'7-5'8. I almost thought she was half black, but something told me that that wasnt the case.

The only disappoinment was that I didnt barfine her. I had to make a choice and went with another.

The one part I hate about the barfine experience is that there is always a time lag between you handing the money out and the woman getting dressed. While the woman is in the back getting dressed, there are all these other tempting choices who suddenly start parading right by you.

The only regrets I have is the "what if I had only gone with this one or that one". The only thing I lack in AC is time so its hard to fit them all in.

Geez, this is like high school in heaven: the bully and the smartass can have at each other, nobody gets hurt, and everybody gets the girl!

"The only regrets I have is the "what if I had only gone with this one or that one". The only thing I lack in AC is time so its hard to fit them all in"

Go with them all. If you have to, get two rooms and play revolving beds. The only real challenge is setting expectations and keeping the flock in-line. I've had mixed sucess and plenty of ensueing catfights between girls... it's a work in progress !

You must work for Microsoft because that sounds like multi-tasking.

"Geez, this is like high school in heaven: the bully and the smartass can have at each other, nobody gets hurt, and everybody gets the girl!"

No authorities are chasing down my trail. I dont have to live in Mexico like some other people we know.

ok ,guys very entertaning,not much new information.But guys dont mind me,just keep arguing.Of to phil.10 may hitting a few sex parties in manila,so everything there is taken care of but I need some info.on cebu as I will be there from the 15 may and will be going to the very infamous AC from the 24 may.
Keep having fun boys,you should have cleared the air now.Many thanks for your reports.
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