I decided to make my first trip to CLUB MIAMI.

Now I have heard a whole bunch about this club from postings here, but because Panama City is literally wall to wall (at times anyway) with great looking women, I just never made it there......too busy fucking my brains out.......

On that as a sidenote, Venetos, which is usually filled with lookers upward of 7, was virtually absent of talent. I had been told by friends who live here in the city and frequent Venetos that they are attempting to acquire more families and thus the "fun ladies" had to take a long walk down Via Espania. Considering that they have already been pushed off of Via Espania and went into Venetos to find boyfriends, I donīt exactly know where they will wind up next. possibly Bolero or the other clubs. Panama police have been diligent in moving talent off the streets over the past year, and I am sad to say that now this trend seems to be moving toward the casinos and some clubs. My hope is that it does not get the point where you can only go into massage parlors or call escort services for a non-challant negotiated lay in Panama City.

My first trip to Panama City, the talent was wall to wall on Via Espania, especially close to McDonalds. I visited Golden Time and had a next day fuck from a very rehearsed Columbiana, that at best was entertaining, but really nothing special. I then fucked 6 other women in 5 days just from meeting them hanging out around my hotel! They were all 8 and 9īs, one of them who is my present novia.

Back to Club Miami, I arrived there around 11 PM and the place was already pretty wild. Within a millisecond I had two Columbianas grinding my pelvis from front and behind while I called my pal from my cell.

I took both of them back to nail them. Actually had an excellent time as they both had a liberal sense of humor. The sex was pretty amusing as they doubled me on a condom BJ, and then tag team fucked me till I couldnīt take it anymore. They both washed me down afterwards in the shower which was pretty amusing as well.

While walking out of this session three strippers were dancing on the stage. A nervous guy in shorts was up there with them, and they were pulling off his clothes and act-gang fucking him in front of everyone. The crowd was loosing it as they got him naked......yes, small dick hanging down and everything. The guy was so uptight that his dick shrunk up to frightened turtle mode; but none-the-less the three great looking hot strippers grind-fucked him there in front of all and would not let him leave the stage.............eeeeeeech! Seeing enough of this spectacle I kissed the two Columbianas I just fucked good-bye and started to walk back to my hotel.

I went to some other place close to Via Argentina and banged a Columbiana with fake tits and a pretty dour attitude........absolutely non-eventful.

SP

If it's real feelings don't give her up that fast. Worry about her living nearby when she lives nearby. Enjoy the time w/her, soon enuf we'll all be dead. You can end it anytime. Only my opinion

Ah, the drama....

The posts above covered some of the possible realities of the situation, and the moral dimension, which may be the most important--you have to live with yourself, after all.

AJ only touched on the possible problems you might have continuing the relationship in the US. I would think the danger of discovery--by both your wife and her husband--would be unacceptably high. And, of course, the emotional stakes keep going up, the longer you keep seeing her, whatever the circumstances.

Gotta agree 100% with Sniper. And that's why I keep my relationships with hookers or semi-hookers on a doing-business-with-a-close-friend basis (ideally).

Or Hunterman, like Charlie Sheen said; "I don't pay them for sex, I pay them to leave"!

Absolutely, break it off. If she's lying, she'll break and either tell you everything is back to normal or she'll keep up the lie to see if you will cave.

No matter what, don't.

If she breaks, then at least you know that she wants to get married. Probably with you! Then you have to make a choice.

Good luck.

SP -

You and I are apparently so immoral that other filthy whore mongerers are pleading for us to repent. (I hear, "Luke, don't give in to the dark-side of the force. Seek the good side of the force where GFE is a good acting job and no drama").

Gotta love it when one when one filthy whore monger lectures another (as he is pounding some chica in her ass)...dude (sic) "you have to live with yourself, after all."

This is the way I see it.

SP is a big boy in a wild west game of poker. He is holding a hand with 2-pair (he and his family & he and his novia). Knowing he has 2-pair and no desire to discard either. His novia decides to up the stakes...she found a back-up ace supposedly willing to marry her...now making the game a little more interesting for SP. But, she could be bluffing...or not...maybe she will marry this guy and SP will have to start a new poker game with a different chica?

Now SP could fold by dumping her (and automatically lose...ending the game...maybe ending his pain), or he could call her bluff (and still maybe lose if she runs-off and gets married). Therefore, he can't lose any more if he keeps fucking her for free for as long as she permits him to fuck her...and she may never get married...and there SP will be...still laying pipe...still married...still with his novia as she continually tried to coax him...happy as a pig in shit.

So a little rocky patch has been exposed. Okay, it's all one big fucking game anyway...and one day you will be dead...power-off, black screen, never been born. So keep playing the fucking game to the best of your ability. If it gets too painful, back-out as best you can...avoiding the kidney shots, and look for a new game...and another and another, as required, until the ends meet.

AJ

PS - Drama keeps life interesting and worthwhile.

Oops...I'm too late!

Okay SP...I'll carry on.

It was your decison to make. I think we all can respect you for your choice.

But consider, after you've healed...to get back on the horse for another ride...Why? because you are a man. And we men climb mountains just to see what is on the other side...and then when we crest the top, we'll go ahead and climb the next mountain just to see what it is like. It's in our programming...it's in our DNA...it's why we monger.

Best wishes for you!

AJ

I can understand where you are coming from. Sometimes a little time with another woman makes you appreciate the one you got.

I, on the other hand, found that when I am in the company of another woman I can wait for ever to go home. I am definately headed for divorce.

I suppose if I had kids it would be different, but I don't and won't (see other posts).

Hopefully you'll still come on the board and check in from time to time. But I suspect that if the relationship with your wife improves, your need for an outlet will subside.

My only suggestion is that you and your wife sit down and actively try to make the sex life better. Or you will be back, this time hopefully as one of us!

Let me know, I'm up for it. I will be down there in 3 weeks as a stopover to my new home in Medellin.

I plan at looking at a few properties in Panama City as well.

Keep in touch!

I'd certainly like to meet you guys, knowledgeable as you are. Not sure when my schedule will get me down for my maiden voyage, I'm trying to get in a dive trip before my business gets busy. Sometime soon, keep me posted.

I need to let everyone know, it turns out I will be going to Medellin on June 21st through the 26th rather than on the 6th of June.

I have a big business meeting on the 9th and there is no point going to Colombia for 2 days. I'll try to swing by Panama at this time as well.

Just let me know if anyone will be around then.

I'll be in Panama Oct 17th until the 29th. I would love to find a reasonable place to stay. Something
in the line of El Castillo. $40-$50/NIGHT. I'm there to check out Panama as a place to live. It's either
Panama or Medellin. if anyone can help me out it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Arte,

I've seriously looked in both cities for a place to live. The plus side in Panama is that you can get a decent internet connection and they have good casinos.

Everything else Medellin kicks its ass. No questions.

Arte -

Yes, airfare from Panama to Colombia I believe is not that much? Go to both places...5-6 days in each. Then you can get a better feel for yourself.

I like Panama because it has almost anything you might want from the states and it is a great leaping-off point to destinations further down-range. Additionally, Panama literally has 100s upon 100s of Colombian chicas in town at any given moment to earn money to take back home. IMHO, Panama is much more stable than Colombia given that it is not at war with itself. Panama uses US currency...no exchange rate...especially given the falling dollar. You can drink the water straight from the tap in Panama...courtesy of the US Army Corps of Engineers. Electrical grid is the same in the US...110/120V. Finally, prostitution is legal in massage parlors and licensed escort services (though unlicensed SGs is illegal)...you can legally fuck whores whereas I believe in Colombia the cops turn a blind-eye...that is until the one time they want to make an example out of you.

Actually, I really do not mean to be knocking Colombia...Panama is the wild west and Colombia is the wild, wild west. If you are more adventuresome, you have a good head on your shoulders, your health is pretty good...give Colombia a shot. Colombian women are arguably the most beautiful of anywhere in the world. Colombian chicas in Colombia will likely fuck you much more cheaply than they will in Panama (Panama $60-$80 is going rate negotiable at most MPs). I'm assuming $30-$40 is the going rate in Colombia??? I've been there...but did not get a chance to go mongering.

AJ

Definately Panama has all of the trappings of the USA, including great shopping and certainly is more friendly than Colombia in terms of welcoming Expats.

Panama City is basically Miami!

Colombia is a pain in the ass to buy Real Estate and to get a visa.

But if you think the chicas in Panama are beautiful, then you really will fall over when you get to Colombia.

The girls who go to Panama to work are much more jaded than the girls in Colombia. I found that short time means 1 pop in Panama but it means a whole lot more in Colombia.

Panama is a good investment right now as well IMHO. Good prices that are going up and up each year. Go to http://www.gslworldwidecorp.com
I have had success with Mr. Jackson here.

SP

SP, I hope you don't hate me after this...but...

Actually, I wonder whether now is the right time to be buying investment property anywhere? I've noticed in some of my Panama chat groups that local Panamanians are touting the "buy now because prices are skyrocketing" hoping to ensue panic buying. Then some of the local gringos chime in mentioning how many "available" apartments there really are in Panama right now. I'll have to look for some of the other links...but a buddy gave me a Panamanian on-line property link that had dozens and dozens, perhaps hundreds of properties listed for sale and or rent.

Also, there has been a whole lot of real estate investment speculation going on in Panama with high rise condos going-up everywhere...real big and tall ones too...60-70+ floors being planned. But, I heard that there is as much as 30,000 vacant apartments in Panama...most with price tags too high for the locals to afford.

Every time I go to Panama I visit some of the local gringo bar/hang-outs...nearly every gringo asks me if I'm interested in buying an apartment...why?...because they all bought two...one to live-in and the other to rent-out to generate some income. Now that they cannot rent them out...they are trying to sell them.

Also, realize that the narcotraffickers laundry their money in Panama by building high-rise apartments with their tainted money. They then sell to anyone who is interested in buying an apartment, or lease the apartments to fictional people...the supposedly rented apartment really sits empty...yet, rent is paid every month in cash to an owner who is a front man...perhaps for another front man, etc. Movie theaters are miraculously sold out too on Sunday and Monday nights at 11PM...every seat sold...yet one Sunday night my novia and I were the only two people in the entire theater...we watched "Mr. & Mrs. Smith"...I was trying to get my novia to go down on me cause we literally were the only two in the theater...well, besides the projectionist who was probably jerking-off watching us from the projection room.

I'm going to sit tight and watch. I think the bubble on the US East & West coasts will burst soon. Since Panama's monetary system is based upon the US monetary system...when the US sneezes, Panama catches Pneumonia. I think I'll wait to see what happens over the next year or so...I suspect prices have topped 5-6 months ago and are on the decline...maybe everywhere.

AJ

AJ,

Well, I have thought about this point as well. If you are going to buy Real property now anywhere, you are going to pay top dollar.

I bought 18 months ago and my appartment is being built, nearly finisher by PROCASA. I feel that 130,000 for a three bedroom condo in a booming latin american country can't be all that bad. But I have also seen and felt what you speak of. There is a TON of building going on right now in Panama though, and I feel that as the world get crazier probably more and more exports and expats will arrive in Panama, from Europe, USA, Canada and the like. At the very worst I will keep it and ride out the storm, vacation there when I can. I am hoping to make some money as usual, being that it is right in the middle of a great part of town.

But you are correct. You just can't fully tell what is going to happen to the worlds economy these days. Or in fact, when the dollar gets flushed down the toilet, will the Panamanians finally say fuck-you to the dollar and take on the Euro? This would piss off the Federal Reserve Banksters to no end and they would probably place some asshole into power so that they could find another excuse to invade.

But Panama's market is not like the US. Within the city there are more foreign businesses opening, both from US and Europe. Japan is now starting to take a liking to Panama as well. These people will need places to live and rent, and you can only hope. No investment is ever 100% fool proof. Besides, if the shit really hits the fan in the USA I want a "get out of town" quick card, and hopefully I can rely on my place in Panama City.

Right now I am told I could sell my apartment for $160,000, although I have not tried. Who knows? We'll just have to see. Right now Panama City looks like it is still doing well and booming with construction, infrastructure and new business. One can only hope this trend of popularity with Panama continues.

SP

SP -

It all boils down to how much pain you think you can absorp when investing in real estate these days...then just hope that the market lands softly or continues to climb at a sustainable rate.

If you bought a $130K apartment in Panama a few years back and it has appreciated to $160K now, especially when you could have easily afforded a much more expensive place...if you have no desire to sell the property anytime in the next 3-5 years (considering the cyclical nature of markets)...if the property is in a good location and you are getting your money's worth (use) out of it...then you are probably just fine.

I have toyed with the idea of purchasing an apartment in Panama for after I retire...my thinking is I could live there part of the year. Though I could comfortably afford a $200K apartment...I just don't see myself buying a place like that for only seasonal use.

Instead, I think I'd seek a partner or two to split the cost of an apartment, therefore splitting the risk making seasonal housing costs in Panama that much more palateable.

However, I'm going to wait and see. I think that there is an over-supply hitting the market in Panama and those trying to sell will be forced to lower their price over the next couple of years to unload. The real estate markets are changing in the US...I suspect they will change in Panama as well.

Who knows...I may even decide to only rent while visiting Panama...they are due for a big earthquake...last real big one was 1872 or so...and they typically get struck every 100-150 years...so make sure you have adequate coverage.

AJ

Jese AJ, you are driving me to Prosac!

I spoke with a few contacts down there and their hit is of course, quite different. Canal expansion and more industry moving into Panama these days is supposedly going to bring in more and more people, and those people need places to live.

I asked about the over-abundance of apartments in Panama City these days and he said you were correct, but 80% of them are shit-holes that are certainly not modernized. My place can rent for $1600 a week and is right smack in the middle of everything nice to Panama City.

Who the fuck knows though.............lets just hope all fairs well. I meet all the prerequisites you spoke of, and will probably keep this place for the long haul.

I will be there in a few weeks and I am totally looking forward to meeting new chicas. You up for a trip?

SP

SP -

I'm always up for a trip. When are you going and how long are you staying?

Yes, the current Torrijos administration is pushing really hard for the Panama Canal expansion...it will likely get funded by the world bank...but like every big project will likely cost overrun by 3 times and the schedule will slip by about the same amount...then again, considering the corruption...better make that 5 time cost overrun and 5 times the amount of time.

Panama does not permit foreigners to come into their country to do work that can be accomplished by Panamanian labor. Therefore, where is this new population coming from to support this major overhaul of the Panama Canal? I suggest that they are already living in Panama and already have homes and apartments.

About the only concept that will support the arguement that the Panama Canal expansion will "rent" or "sell" more apartments is that the local Panamanian population will be infused with more income...therefore, their ability to afford a better (costlier) apartment should be greater.

However, realize that many Panamanians live together in a family unit...unlike those of us from the USA who typically move away and get their own place upon reaching adulthood. If Panamanians earn more money because of the Panama Canal expansion project...will they relocate their family to an upgraded apartment...or will they use their added income to expand what they already have? I think the later. Even with a boost in income, I do not see the Panamanian working class spending $100K on an apartment or house. I see them staying where they are and simply adding more rooms to their $20-30K single story house in San Miguelito or whatever other low income neighborhood they live in within Panama.

Also, you might be able to find "someone" to rent your apartment for $1,600 per month if they have more money than sense...but IMHO why would anyone pay $1,600 per month to rent when they can outright own a place of their own for that amount of money...you said you bought your place for $130K and it is now worth $160K??? I'm paying $1,300 per month on a $150K mortgage at 5.24%. Within that $1,300 per month includes $425/mo in real estate taxes and around $100/mo in homeowner's insurance. Therefore, $1,600 per month in Panama should buy a $200K+ apartment assuming no real estate taxes for 15-20 years...and I don't know what homeowner's insurance runs in Panama...but it shouldn't be a whole lot different in price compared to what I'm paying here.

SP you need to stay optimistic because you are vested in Panama...I'm not vested and am a little more pessimistic...I'm not going to buy anytime soon. As long as you are not looking to sell and your asking rent while you are away is in-line with what anyone is willing to pay...you should be okay.

AJ