Without a doubt China exceeded my expectations and I have a new found love for Chinese women. The surprising positives were the fantastic service standards of the sex; (half of the sessions were fantastic monster fucks and the other half very good pro sessions with lots of great BBBJ’s, contracting pussies, and rimming,) the great variety of venues with some surprisingly upscale, awesome foot and regular massage, the best hotel values I have ever seen, and awesome cheap eating.

The biggest obstacle was, not surprising, the language. However, the are some strategies to help you overcome that – always use name cards with the Chinese names of your destinations, utilize the hotel staff to write directions and names in Chinese (I would try and find one you can tip well and have them do some simple phone calls for you,) and bring an English-Chinese dictionary and phrase book. You will be surprised how quickly crowds of women gather around you in public places to help you. Also, in restaurants I found an effective strategy was to walk around and look at what are the most popular and delicious looking dishes on the other diners’ tables are. It seems that every restaurant seemed to have a signature dish or two and then you can just point and get the good stuff. I would say this is a destination where a wingman adds a lot of value, it’s seems that many things are set up, eg. Karaokes and foot massage, to be enjoyed by a group of friends rather than by single customers. Of course if your wingman speaks Mandarin or Cantonese all the better. However, I certainly won’t let the language barrier to discourage me at all from returning. In fact, I am trying to get back ASAP, I have not been this excited about a new destination in a long time. Now where are my mandarin language study materials?

So I am going to update my list of favorite Asian mongering destinations. I am only going to rank those I have visited. Keep in mind I am not much for tourist type stuff, and I give a lot of weight to the quality of the girls and sex. My next considerations are bars and nightlife, accommodation values, and food.

For each destination I am giving a letter grade. The grade scale has the following interpretation to me: A- or above is a place worthy of visiting repeatedly all the time, B- to B+ a place a serious Asian monger should check out at least once and I may or may not revisit, C+ or below maybe worth a visit but I am not going to recommend it I definitely will not go out of my way to visit again for mongering purposes. I am also giving a dollar amount to each destination. This is the amount I would spend daily to get full enjoyment without watching closely how much I am spending. I find this overall daily expenditure to be more meaningful than looking at the cost per sessions, hotels, etc. separately.

One last disclaimer these are my preferences based upon my individual tastes and mongering/holiday style.

1.Jakarta A+ $175; For me Jakarta is the king right now. There is nowhere else you can consistently get fantastic session from super hot girls for under $30. The girls are unbelievably sweet, passionate, and the horniest in Asia. The variety of venues is fantastic; Kota knocking shops are heaven on earth, the massage/sex emporium scene is vast and high quality, Lots of FL venues, and its also probably the easiest place in Asia to hook-up with non-working horny girls (even those from the upper and middle class) I also love the turnover rate, it’s fast enough that there are always new girls I am dying to try and not too fast that I can’t find some of my old favorites. Other positives: Decent hotels at good prices, decent food options, locals are extremely friendly open, and sincere, Indo massage is excellent but not as well known as Thai massage, and shopping for some items like DVD’s is awesome. Other Negatives: Much of the city (especially where I like to hang in the North) is a shithole, security is a concern in some of the discos, traffic is definitely horrible, getting your drink on can be pricey, and infrastructure like internet and public transport are lacking.

2. Changping/Zhuhai China – A $175; You don’t get the super high consistency of top shelf sessions like you do in Jakarta. However, there is incredible variety and the non-monster fucks are still real good. The girls really know how to try a man. Actually all the businesses know how to treat a customer. If I had good language skills, China could challenge Jakarta for me. Also, the hotels, infrastructure, food, and other aspects will blow you away. Only negatives are that the scene shuts down early (although massage is 24 hours) and that there is no wild in your face kind of places. Don’t expect a Pattaya or AC.

3.Angeles City, PI – A- $150; Everything this horny party boy could want in a small town easy to navigate package. The bars here are by far the most fun party places and the girls are fantastic party machine companions. Girls are incredibly fun and sweet, and for me I have no problem finding good looking enough girls I like to fuck. Service in the bedroom isn’t consistently enthusiastic or delivered as horny as in Indo (but true monster fucks are to be had for sure and are not rare), but this is the place to do your moresomes, anal, and whatever. The prices for sex and drinks are super reasonable if you stay on Perimeter. However, things are changing in AC. It’s booming as a sex tourist town and it starting to feel a bit too much like Thailand. First off, the price of partying hard like a rockstar on Fields has gotten too rich for my blood. And second the level of raunch on bar hops is really down. If these trends continue AC could fall out of my heavy rotation and into the B grade locations. Other Advantages: I have a nice group of places I can eat good western food (which I can’t get where I live), great internet access everywhere. Disadvantage: Annoying vendors, awful public transport, and the scene lies pretty much on a line and it’s hard to maintain a low profile and girls try to be drama queens at times

4. Pattaya – B+ $125-175 (depends where you like to barfine from;) I can’t imagine a bigger more concentrated sex market in the world. The infrastructure is good and lots of good value hotels and easy to navigate cheap transportation options. Soi 6 definitely deserves special mention as one of the truly sleazy decadent happy places. Prices are damn reasonable for action until you want to have a soapie, fuck a good looking Go Go girl, or bang a hottie FL in the Discos. For me there are a couple factors that keep me from ranking it higher and returning. First, while there is huge supply there is even more demand, you will find yourself having to truly compete on looks and willingness to deliver material rewards for the truly hot girls. (For girls of the same standard in Jakarta you have to duck while the mamasans hurl them at you.) Second, the typical service and attitude I get is just too pro. Third, I get a general sense of aloofness, and insincerity from the Thai folks in general – I feel like my money is welcome in Thailand but I am not. Now on the positive side, Thai food is very good, it’s cheap, and everywhere. Thai massage is fantastic.

5. Batam, Indonesia – B $125; This is a great place for LT and has a very relaxing small town pace to it. Here you can get very high quality sex but you got do some leg work to find a decent looker. The talent at the Booking joints is way down from 18 months ago and it is harder to find a cutie. But paradoxically, I think you can fuck hotter women the ever in Batam. The hotties are now found in the ranks of freelancers and many are girls who have been displaced from the closed casinos. Too find these girls you have search in the discos, and when cruising around town. This process is much more time consuming than doing a booking joint tour though. Pacific and Planet discos are two incredible FL pick-up joints. Indonesian Discos are a very hard to describe experience. Prices here for LT are great and you can get a decent hotel for a good price. Social activities are a bit limited to a few pubs, the discos, karaokes, and a couple of live music clubs. For me Batam is all about a leisure pace weekend of hanging with friends, eating some seafood, hitting my favorite haunts and have a great horny LT shag with me.

6. Hong Kong – B- $250-300; One of the truly fantastic cities on the planet with tremendous shopping, food, culture, and P4P. The main problem with the pay for play scene is that it’s too mechanical, mercenary, and expensive. But the variety and beauty of the girls is fantastic. If I was much richer HK would be higher on my list.

7. Macau – B- $250; It’s probably not fair to grade Macau after a short one day visit. However, it seemed like the quality was a little bit better than Hong Kong, but the vibrancy of the city is quite lower. Plus with China so close and such better value it really hurts my evaluation.

8. Saigon – C+ $150; I only spent one weekend here and I had a blast. I loved this gorgeous city and it’s so rich in art, history and ambience. There are absolutely beautiful sweet girls everywhere. P4P seemed expensive and not well organized, and there are the well known hotel issues; but the quality I saw was outstanding and the girls are so much more sincere and incredibly sweet than the mercenary Viet hookers that I have come across in Singapore, HK, and PP. Also, this place looks like it has the most promise of any SEA country to find a hot young girlfriend through a website like vietsingles.com. If you are the type who rather find a girl to have for an extended time rather than rack up numbers I think this could be the best place. One big drawback that has kept me from returning is the pain the ass visa issues for those non-ASEAN mongers. Funny thing is I rank Saigon low as a mongering destination but I would say this could be one of the best expat assignments in SEA. I would love to work and live here. With your own place and time to take advantage of all the beautiful amateurs – wow the possibilities.

9. Phnom Penh – C $100-$125; I was utterly disappointed and felt this is a total overrated mongering destination. Not a very enjoyable place except for a couple of venues. Be prepared for culture shock. Hey but you can have a ST for $5, so what? I can use a cheese grater on my dick for free.

10. Phuket – C- $150 The girl scene is much smaller and the talent is not as good as Pattaya. Generally the girls are much older and could be the grandmothers (or grandfathers in some cases) of the girls in Jakarta. The Patong nightlife scene feels like one giant tourist trap and clip joint. Horrible horrible attitudes. Phuket town seemed small and the selection of girls not to good, especially for the high prices asked. However, when in Phuket, I really feel like I am on an exotic tropical vacation. The beaches are much more enjoyable than Pattaya. Costs is only a little more and the customer service in hotels is much better. Local transport is a total ripoff.

11. Singapore – C- $200-$250 Singapore has to the safest place to monger in SEA! There is P4P with tons of variety in Singers, but the main drawbacks is the mercenary attitudes and poor $ values. Orchard Towers can be a blast but drinks are blindingly expensive and you get a collection of the most mercenary FL’ers outside of WanChai in SEA. But if someone else is picking up the tab you can have an awesome time. The ambiance and multinational ambiance of Geylang is a must see IMO. If as a westerner I didn’t get charged double the local price I wouldn’t actually leave town practically every weekend. Singapore is a truly fantastic city with the best infrastructure in the region. Also, Singapore has some of the best eating in the world and it’s available 24/7. But for mongering, youre better off choking your chicken before you can get to anyother place

12. Seoul – D $250-$300. A very xenophobic and expensive place to monger. Korean food is kick ass and you will likely get drunk off your ass. So that $150 45 minute ST with the kimchi breath girl will actually seem like it’s good times. But hey it does seem to be condom optional!

Places I want to visit roughly in the order of burning curiosity

1)Bangkok (Yes I am actually gonna keep giving Thailand chances to disappoint me)
2)Surabaya
3)Manila
4)Tanjung Balai and Tanjung Pinang – Two Indonesian whoring towns in my backyard I still haven't explored. Shame on Me.
5)Bali

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(Message edited by mongerx on July 07, 2006)

Outstanding. Thanks for sharing.

Fantastic Report and Conclusion MX. The grading scale is very helpful, but did you grade on a curve ;-)

It's no surprise, but I agree with your grades and insights regarding the above venues, at least the places I've visited. The Chinese girls, at least the ones I've come across, are just as you describe them, espec. about once in a while coming across gals with great muscle control.

Now, for places to visit in the future, how about Malaysia. The few Malay gals I've run across were phenomenal.

Your making this hard for me.

From seeing the pictures alone, I will be honest. I dont like the looks of the Jakarta women. All of them appear unshaven which is a big negative for me. However, every guy seems to agree that they are very horny. The horniness and energy is the most important characteristic in my book.

How I am treated is very important. Sometimes I have a temper. If I am treated disrespectfully, it throws me way off. I like the Philippines because I am treated like Elvis.

I am most attracted to the Thai women, but from what I hear on here, the treatment is not on par with the Filipinas.

I wish I could do the world tour, but I have responsibilities and only have so much time. How do you feel about Rio vs. Asia?

(Message edited by ironeagle on July 07, 2006)

Merlin, I am not surprised to see you and I having similar sentiments about different locations. We definitely have similar mongering MO's (right down to our love of repeating with the good ones and also having to constantly taste the strange) and preferences in girls. The problem is that it's been too long since we mongered together! You gotta get your butt out her and do China or Jakarta with me. Actually, China is aconvienent side trip from AC with the Tiger Macau-Clark flights. As for Malaysia, my impression is that it’s expensive and heavily centered around the health center scene, not really a mongering destination.

Iron Eagle, I would say if you don't like the photos of the Indo girls, then you probably won't like their looks in person. Even though I know some girls don't photograph well and others do, I believe that the photos on average don't lie. However, I am surprised you don't find Indo girls attractive while at the same time you do find Philippinas attractive. Almost all the Philippinas and many of the Indo girls come from the same Malay stock. In Indo (and China too), shaved girls are definitely uncommon and bush is normal. Fortunately Indo girls seldom have any other body hair. Also, Indo girls tend to have very good pussy hygiene relative to pinays (although the pinays have recently had dramatic improvement.) However, when it comes to horny and enthusiastic sex, in my experience, the consistency of Indo girls is the primary reason they top my list. Plus I love their looks and fantastic bodies (best place for tits in Asia IMHO.)

If you have a temper that is triggered by being treated disrespectfully, be real careful in Thailand. Disrespect is a trigger point for me too, and I find myself having to actively manage feelings of frustration all the time when I am in LOS. However, if you find the Thai girls most attractive you definitely owe it to yourself to check out Pattaya (I haven’t been to Bangkok yet so I am not going to comment.) The scene and number of venues is so huge that it boggles the mind. However, you really need to actively seek and search for girls, in my experience it’s not nearly as easy to hook up with a good looking girl who is willing to treat you well as it is in AC. My Impression is that he who spends gets the respect, don’t go cheap on the hotel if getting treated well is important to you. Monger in Go Go’s and good discos and take your business elsewhere if you feel like you are not being treated well. Also remember to spend (not stupidly but let them know you are worth the effort) and don’t spend too much time in the beer bars where the attitudes are very spotty regardless if you are a cheap Charlie or baht puker. Part of my problems in Pattaya is that I am unwilling to spend $200 dollars or more a day and I don’t let negative interactions with people roll of my back. Hell I wish Walking Dude would post on his LOS mongering approach he consistently bangs hotties and I see him getting treated really well.

As for Rio vs. Asia, I have never been to Rio but have been to SP once for a work related trip. I went to a well known tourist trap place Club Bahama, I did two or three girls on that visit. The top end of the selection was incredible, beautiful girls and great bodies however I thought the talent dropped off to mediocre very quickly. In the room sex was real good and skillfully delivered. These were very high standard for off the shelf sessions – only slightly surpassed by the off the shelf sessions in Jakarta. However, if anal and naughty acts are more important than GFE and enthusiasm then those Club Bahama sessions come out on top. I also tried a massage parlor Franca Bel a couple times. This place enjoyed good reviews but I found the sessions and girl quality not impressive. I also did one Freelancer, she was a fantastic super fuck who was an 8 from the waist to the neck. But her face was mousy and her ass and thigh thunderous. The biggest difference between SP and everywhere in Asia, is personal security. It seemed really dangerous and you spent a lot more time and mental effort managing your security. If it was much more convienent for me and the needed budget was $150-200 dollars a day rather than $300-400 a day, I would definitely go back. I would also be concerned about the girl quality. IMHO, the quality of Brazillian girls in the photos has gone way down over the last two to three years, thus I suspect the talent on the ground is also suffering.

Obviously, many will disagree with my rankings and recommendations. However, I have posted lots of pics and try to post accurate reports on my experiences and impressions. So you can see the types of girls I like to session with and you read how I like to approach mongering. If someone has similar tastes hopefully my rankings will prove valuable when deciding on whether to visit some of these destinations. For others I hope the find them entertaining and that they post responses that will entertain me in return!

Great info and to the extent I have visited the places you list, I tend to agree with your ratings (thereby making your ratings of and information about the places I haven't yet visited that much more valuable to me).

Yeah Great Report - I think Jakarta might be on my list if you actually think it can get better than AC !!! Although "China" has a real Kewl ring to it. I mean, it's easier to say I am going to China than Indonesia to family. I like your term "Monster Sex." Thanks for posting this...

Mango Shakes Forever!

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I would like to know how WalkingDude does it too. Is it his looks? Is it his attitude? Is he just paying more? Is it his photography skills?

All of the pictures from his trips (Rio and Asia) have been of fairly attractive women, in my opinion.

Check my old photos of Thai girls, not too bad either. Thai girls are gorgeous IMHO.

I am fairly close in your rankings but I have spent extensive time in the larger cities like Bangkok and Manila so it would change things a bit. If AC had the quality of girls that Manila has with AC prices, then I would likely always be in AC. The problem is that I do like the experience outside of mongering and culture is important to me. The Phils is a cultureless society, whereas, Thailand is another universe. I am on vacation when I am there and I prefer to enjoy a place that seems exotic and unique. In addition, I feel more at ease in Thailand as I speak Thai. I think AC turns a person into a lazy monger and there is no challenge to it.

This fall I will return to my ways and Jakarta and Thailand are on the horizon. For me though, I also want to go surfing in Bali and head to Borabodur to go to one of the wonders of the world.

Suprised you like Pattaya over Batam.

Koreans xenophobic? No way...lol

Mx,

You mentioned that there are a number of places you like to eat in AC. By all means, fill us in.

As for "bushiness" of chinese girls, I've been told a number of times, that chinese girls don't shave "down there" because it's bad luck. Although no one has ever explained why.

Great report.

"I have a nice group of places I can eat good western food (which I can’t get where I live), great internet access everywhere."

The food in the hotels is definately good (and cheap). I prefer either the Swiss Chalet or the Orchid for food.

In fact, when I eat in New York City, I am constantly finding that the food really isnt that good and overpriced. Not to mention, the service is always bad in the city except when you go to high end restaurants where you walk out $150 lighter. At least once every few weeks I am grabbing the bottle of Maalox dining on NYC food.

In Angeles City, the service is always excellent and I dont find it a problem getting westernized food. I am one of those guys that just cant eat asian foods. I absolutely need western foods to survive. As well, I never find myself rushing to the bathroom or grabbing bottles of Maalox for relief.

I wouldnt say that the food is the best, but its clearly above average considering that your in the middle of nowhere in a third world country.

LAG, thanks for the kind words.

IE, I met Walking Dude once. I got the impression he pretty much sticks to the Go Go's, visits lots of them is patient about making picks. My problem is I am not patient, when I am ready I am picking a girl. And if I don't have a girl by my side then I am ready. That is a deadly strategy in a place like Pattaya. You need to be diligent and patient when looking.

MB, beforewarned Jakarta girls are more likely to be into headshaking than headbanging.

Blazers, yes you fuck hot girls. You feel re-affirmated now. However, I am just gonna have to agree to disagree about Thailand being a much bigger babe haven than all other places in Asia.

I think AC turns a person into a lazy monger and there is no challenge to it.

Well I don't like to be challanged when mongering. I like there to be plenty of hot good service providing girls who are going to treat me well. A Challenge sounds like I have to do some ass kissing or work, or perhaps I have to compete with lots of cocks for too few quality girls. No thanks, give me an AC bar where I am the only customer, a Sari Ayu where the ubberhotties are lined up six deep trying to get me a session, or an Karaoke line-up of 250 Chinese girls all trying there hardest to get me to book them over a Pattaya sausage fess any day of theweek.

Suprised you like Pattaya over Batam.

Well this is a case where the overall vacation experience dominates over a place where I get much better sex from good looking girls. The sad thing is I would say that I have had great sex in Pattaya with only 3 girls. One was over 40 and gave me the clap. Another is a Soi 6 girl with a great body but an awful case acne - but I abslolute love that Tip! And finally there was a Soi 7 beer bar girl who was so ugly when Epi was taking her pics he kept adding more and more bunches of roses to try and block out her face. My Pattaya track record with the ladies is not pretty. However, I do have a great time just prowling the huge scene from early afternoons on Soi 6 until the wee wee hours in the beer bars. Going to Pattaya is just much more of an event than going to Batam. But without a doubt I get much better sessions and girls in Batam.

S99, My two favorite American food restaurant in SEA are Morton's Steakhouse in Singapore and Cottage Kitchen in AC. But having good American food means a lot more than someone coming over from the states. C's Italian is also a fantastic restaurant. Thanks for the kind words as well.

IE, as MX noted, many of the Indo girls resemble Pinays in terms of looks and temperment; and as much as I love the Pinays, I gotta say the sex is generally better in Indonesia and the gals are generally better endowed.

As for RIO, or South America, you should definitely take a look some day as many SEA guys have gone and loved it. The Terma experience is one of a kind, and there are some gorgeous girls who are more adventurous and assertive in bed.

I also find Pattaya a bit perplexing. In the Phils and Indonesia, hooking up with hotties and the fun factor or "Rock Star" treatment materializes more effortlessly for me in these places. I just don't get the same "illusion" or vibes anymore in LOS, probably because I tend to seek out the hotties at the go-gos and massages for the most part.

I would suspect that the sex would be better in Indonesia because Muslims are generally more conservative then other religions in regards to sex. My thesis is that the more conservative the culture, the better the sex will be due to pent up energies.

RIO seems like a better option because of the jet-lag problems I have encountered in the past. I have tried everything to get past the lag sickness, but nothing seems to work. After 1 week, I get very sick and tired. I suspect that my system would be stronger in Rio because I would not be jumping 18+ different time zones.

Mx, I hope that the Mortons in Singapore serves American beef. The last time I was in Morton's in HK, they only had Aussie beef. Definitely not the same.

I agree with your Cottage Kitchen and C's Italian picks too. I read somewhere recently that they've opened up a Brazilian style bbq place at the Holiday Inn in Clark. Kind of out of the way, but I will definitely check it out.

Morton's in Singapore serves aged US Prime. It's really good, just like back in the states. But it is very expensive meal.

An American Steakhouse serving Aussie Beef - ugh! Not Good. I won't even touch Aussie steak - I always find it very tough and flavorless. If you ever spend an extended time in Asia, truly well prepared American food with good ingredients is a rare treat.

MX, thanks for a great trip report and discussion.

Well, if Pattaya ranked 4th on your list, I suggest not wasting your time or money on Bangkok. Fewer bars, fewer girls, even more katoeys, higher tip expectations, more mercenary attitudes. Need I say more?

But I also felt the Pattaya girls were a bit more mercenary this visit than before - first time I've had a Thai girl look at what I tipped her and tell me she wanted another 1000 BHT. As for Bangkok - 3 of 4 Nana Plaza girls I chatted up between 11PM and the 1AM closing time mentioned "short time" before I ever said what I did or didn't have in mind.

Meanwhile, a few days later in AC, the gals were throwing themselves at me, most quite willing to go ST or LT - "up to you".

Merl,

Malay girls are great if you can find them.

In Malaysia's mongering places, most of the malay girls are ST either on premise or on-call and relatively expensive.

I used to monger here and while I visit almost weekly, I have stopped to use the money better in other locales!

Between Pattaya and Bangkok, it's a fact that there is a significant price differential between them.

However, we would have to consider cost of living for the girls in being in the two locations and perhaps provide for that mentally.

Why I like Pattaya?

It's compact and you get lots of beer bars and agogos compressed into what is basically one long beach area. There are some soapies of questionable quality and decent girl-friendly hotels that don't break the bank and lots of sports facilities (esp golf) in nearby locales.

However, on weekends, its gets crowded with the Bangkok people coming in and on long weekends, its "murder."

Bangkok is a different ball-park. I like it enought to live here now. Its spread out way beyond Patpong, Nana and Soi Cowboy which is where most mongers spend their time.

There's Suthisan, Ratchada, and the length of Sukhumvit and some parts of Petchburi and that's not all of it. Bangkok takes time to unravel and when you find it, it can be real good and relatively good value for gems you might not find in Pattaya. Again, depends on your eye too. Being able to speak some rudimentary Thai would help of course.

(I suppose a similar comparison can be made between AC and Greater Manila).

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PG, Thanks for the heads up. However, the one thing I have learned is that I am pretty unpredictable about whether I am going to like a destination or not. Even though good value P4P is number one on my list, I am willing to substitute towards other fun stuff, although I will never be the culutural afficianados like some claim to be on this website. Hell BKK is close enough and cheap enough that I really need to see for myself.

As for "bushiness" of chinese girls, I've been told a number of times, that chinese girls don't shave "down there" because it's bad luck. Although no one has ever explained why.

Seq,

Most older Chinese men believe f*****g a NATURAL HAIRLESS WOMAN (in the DATY zone)will bring untold bad luck for umpteen years. This has nothing to do with a shaved woman. It may be that many Chinese women are afraid to be mistaken for a naturally "bare" woman and thus shunned.

The nickname (in slang) for such a naturally bare woman where I come from (Singapore) in Cantonese is "Pak Chum Kai" which is also the name of a dish, "white boiled chicken", literally translated. There are other nicknames used in different dialects and places.

Crazier, talking about chicken dishes, my gastronomic preference is for Hainan kai fan.

Oh yeah, thank you and Mx for all the great Chinese info.

I hope one of these day's I could "cum" join you guy's on one of your venture's. sf4dfish