Jessica woke promptly at 08:30, that is if she even went to sleep. I saw her to the door wishing that I had met her earlier in my trip. Not that she was anything special to sleep with but she was cute and had a good personality. This was to be my last day in Rio so the plan was simple. Visit some places I haven?t been, do a little gift shopping, pack and go to the airport. Ah, but how the best laid plans for mice and men come to ruin. I fell back into bed and fast asleep after Jessica left. When I woke it was late in the afternoon and my flight was at 22:??. I decided that I wouldn?t have time to visit anyplace so I went to do some shopping at the market that is set up on the median outside of HELP. That wasn?t very fruitful as it was too early and only a few of the vendors were present. I bought a few items that I thought would make unusual and unique gifts. I then headed over to Meia Pataca for ?something to eat?. While there I ran into a group of American guys on vacation. They invited me to a party they were throwing that night at one of their apartments. I had to decline the invitation explaining that I would be returning to the USA as my vacation was at its terminus. The group slowly broke up as people ran off to do various errands. One of the guys remained behind however and chatted with me about his experiences in Rio and mine in Asia ? he had never been. During the course of our conversation a girl he knew walked in and he invited her to sit with us. It turns out that this girl was one of the invitees to the party. He explained to me that she was very good at her job and recommended her highly. I told him that I didn?t have time before my flight as I had other things to do. He went into high sell mode telling me that this girl was something that should not be missed. Normally, I am very leary of such a pitch but my time in Rio had been so lackluster and without major stars that I decided to give it a whirl. So, back to the Rio Roiss for a short time session. Pictures, shower, etc. She was good but far from special. Anyway, I kick her out, well not actually. She leaves on her own accord and I pack. I go down to check out paying for an extra half day as the late checkout fee. The taxi is waiting for me, it appears that I am running behind schedule. The clerk has a problem printing my bill and it takes what seems like 30 minutes but was probably closer to 7. Finally, I get settled in the taxi with my luggage and it?s off to the airport.


[THESE EVENTS HAVE BEEN EDITED FROM THIS REPORT]


I arrive back at the Rio Roiss and check back into the same room. I try to call the American Airlines office but the recording says it?s closed. I try to find the number for the AA airport office but can?t so I call down to the front desk. They promise to find it and give me a call back. I log onto the internet using my laptop trying to find the local airport number for American Airlines. I also send email to my boss letting him know that I have been delayed. 30 minutes have passed as the connection is really slow for Notes mail. I finally disconnect and call the front desk, they still haven?t located the number. I look at the ticket jacket and my travel itinerary but no numbers in Rio de Janeiro are listed. I try calling the US 800 number but it can?t be reached from a foreign country even as a PAID call. I go down to the front desk determined that I would have to go back to the airport. But they had found the number and we called it. The first person that answered didn?t speak any English so I asked the front desk clerk to speak for me and ask for English speaking assistance. Two transfers later and I am talking to someone with basic English skills. I explain that I need to change my e-ticket so as to depart the next night. I was told that normally this kind of thing would be handled by the reservations department but that he would assist me in this case. After making the new arrangements I asked for a confirmation number. The man told me it would be the same as the old one since this is only a modification. I thank the man for his assistance. It?s now about 23:00. I decided that since I am in town for one more day I might as well make the best of a bad situation. I head over to the Pussycat club to see Jessica. When I arrive she is on her way out with another girl. I stop her and ask where she is going. Her reply is that they are going to eat. Mr. Friendly from the previous night is there and convinces me to pay the drink tab now so she would be free to go with me. This I do because I am sure that I would like her to go with me. So, the two girls and I trundle off to eat. We walk quite a distance to a restaurant called Maxim (I think). This place looks very similar to Meia Pataca and another restaurant that is literally around the corner from Doma so my suspicions are not aroused. But when the bill came it was BRL80+ for the two girls as I opted not to eat. I had just increased my cost by 40% simply by going to dinner with them and I didn?t even eat!! Jessica now wants to walk back to the club with her friend. I suggest we take a cab and drop off her friend but for some reason this is unacceptable to her. I chalk it up to our not being able to communicate that well and go along with walking back. Nothing eventful to report there but once back at the club I suggest that she doesn?t go in but that we take one of the waiting taxi?s back to the hotel. She responds that she had to go in to get her bag. I notice that she isn?t carrying a bag so it seems reasonable and we go inside. Once inside she goes into the back, presumably to get her bag. 20 minutes later she hasn?t come back out. I ask one of the waiters to get her for me. He goes away but doesn?t get anywhere near the backroom. I ask another waiter and the same thing happens. I finally ask one of the other girls to get her for me. This girl does go in back, she returns about 10 minutes later and tells me that Jessica will be out to just wait 10 more minutes. Those 10 minutes pass and another 5 before I ask another girl to ask Jessica if she wants to go or not. This girl also goes in back. This time Jessica comes out and tells me that there is a problem and asks me to wait ?for a little?. She then goes into the back again. Trying to play the nice, understanding, good guy I wait. Another 20 minutes pass and I haven?t seen her. I ask a girl to go get her for me. This time Jessica comes out and stops to chat with another customer before coming to talk to me. I don?t wait for her to finish chatting with the other guy before I leave. I don?t feel like the chase anymore and reflecting on my lack of success in getting what I expected and wanted I decide to return to the hotel and sleep. About 30 minutes after I arrived at the Rio Roiss my phone rings, apparently Jessica is in the lobby asking for me. I allow them to send her up, as she had signed in the previous day I don?t need to sign for her again. When she arrives her English skills seem to have disappeared and I can?t understand anything she is saying. I breakout my laptop and connect to a translation site on the internet. We chat with one another using a single laptop and sitting next to one another. She never would tell me what the ?problem? was at the club that kept her from departing with me. Nor would she say anything more about the man with whom she chatted other than that he was a ?friend?. All in all I don?t get anything across to her except that I won?t pay her as much as she wants to stay this night. She lowers her price and I agree. No pictures this night, showers are separate and then sleep.

DON'T LET THESE WHORES DICK YOU AROUND LIKE THAT MAN!!! LET THOSE WHORES KNOW THAT YOU ARE RUNNING THIS FUCKING SHOW!!!!!

You guys out there you see what being a NICE guy get you (NO WHERE)

KidCisco

Being a nice guy will get you a lot farther with these girls than not. One incdident will never change me from being nice and helful to the girls.

Precautions taken, always. In a mis-understanding, always take the high road, and end it in a positive manner. If it is that bad, accept the loss, and send her on her way. The word will get out about an individual, and that will be to her dis-advantage.

Moondog

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Being a nice guy will get you a lot farther with these girls than not. One incident will never change me from being nice and helpful to the girls.

Precautions are always taken, but if there is a misunderstanding, always take the high road, and end it in a positive manner. If it is that bad, accept the loss, and send her on her way. The word will get out about an individual, and that will be to her disadvantage.

I totally agree with Moondog. No offense Kidcisco but your comments come across as crude. Hopefully you're not a jerk with the girls. After reading your post I hope I never run into you hobbying. Good luck.

That want happen, I go on solo mission alone ALL THE TIME and I been doing it for a long time all around the world, I treat the women fine and with respect, I have never put my hands on ANY WOMEN, but I want wait around or let them play games with me either, or like I said, DICK ME AROUND.

Most of the girls I know laugh and talk about how (MANY SWEET GUYS) they made buy them this or that or spend $$$$ or them etc and left them waiting somewhere at a bar and they would come to me wanting to spend the guys $$$ on me.

I have asked them why don't you try that with me they will almost always laugh and say girls know reach one's of the JOHNS/TRICKS they can do that to, I always get told I am a nice and friendly guy but they know "I WANT PUT UP WITH ANY BULL SHIT IF THAT WHAT YOU CALL A JERK I WILL BE ONE ALL DAY "


KidCisco

That's kinda funny. In Rio, KidCisco is one of the more articulate ones. KidCisco, stick to Rio.

Latasian,

My take is that there's some truth in all the advice on this so far. KidCisco is right in that you can't take shit like that from a garota. You also don't necessarily want to be an asshole, but in every dealing with a garota or latina, you have to make it known you're in charge.

I'd have walked away after 5 minutes if I thought a garoata had an attitude.

However another key problem is that you don't speak Portuguese.

HC1

HC1:

Yes, there is some wisdom in the paying customer being in charge, and not walking in this circumstance is just but one of a LONG LIST of regrets that I have about my time in South America.

This point about not speaking Portuguese (for Brazil or Spanish for the rest of South America) puzzles me. While it is true that I don't speak Portuguese, I also don't speak Thai but I have in the past had some really, really good times in Thailand with Thai girls whose English was at best minimal (and even that is being generous).

Kidcisco posted:

" Most of the girls I know laugh and talk about how (MANY SWEET GUYS) they made buy them this or that or spend $$$$ or them etc and left them waiting somewhere at a bar and they would come to me wanting to spend the guys $$$ on me. "

First of all I don't have a problem with the fact that I am a "nice guy" (aka SWEET GUY). It's how I was raised and in most circumstances it serves me well. But I do take the point of not wasting time dealing with a poor service provider, no matter what the profession.

However, once the girl has the money that was previously under my guardianship it is now hers. So if she leave me sitting somewhere waiting, it is her money that she is spending on you as my money would still be with me. Thus the axiom - SERVICE FIRST, PAY LAST WHENEVER POSSIBLE.

Hopefully I didn't come across too harsh on you KidCisco. I truly meant no offense. I don't know you and sometimes you can only be judged on what you write. I've meant some real jerks in my 5 years of hobbying (although rare). I've dated some escorts outside of the provider/client relationship and heard some horror stories and seen it first hand so when I read your post....needless to say it hit a hot button for me.

I agree with the general theme that you can't be taken advantage of. But I also believe in being a good guy and a gentleman. I've never gotten ripped off in my 5 years of hobbying. This includes some of the most popular providers in the USA.

I'm not naive and know what these girls do for a living but I guess I've never thought of them as a "whore" and myself as running the "fucking show". Oh well..to each his own.

LATASIAN AND GODFATHER, THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS I like very much the way you both made your points, I been doing this HOBBY for a very long time, and from time to time I do get carry away when I here and see girls laughing and telling me about "HOW THEY PLAYED" some poor guy and RIPPED him off of his hard earned $$$ telling the guys a bunch of lies playing on their "GOOD NATURE" having the guys feel sorry for them so they can give them MORE AND MORE $$$$ but NEVER giving the guy what they want, always forever leading them on.

I asked the girls "WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE THE GUY WHAT THEY WANT OR TELL THEM NO SO THEY CAN MOVE ON AND NOT WASTE THEIR TIME"? some had the nerve to tell me if we did give them what they want maybe they want see us anymore "ATFER THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT", sounds sick doesn't it but, some guys out there it take them longer to learn their lessons and sometimes they never do.

Go to ANY "STRIP CLUB" in the USA and just sit in the back in look at how the girls work the room and play on the guys for $10.00 to $20.00 for a 1 min 45 seconds song for a lap dance, and telling the guys if you buy me this bottle of wine or whatever for $$$$$$ "MAYBE" I will see you after I get off work, there was a GOLD CLUB in Atlanta were the girls would get guys in the VIP rooms and drug them and after they wake up after HOURS their billed would be out of this world, I knew a few girls that work in their that went to my GYM they would tell me all kind of wild shit that went on, falling down laughing when talking about some of the guy they took $$$$ from the wildest story one told me was how they told a guy they needed $300.00 FOR A "KEY" TO RESERVE THE ROOM FOR THEM TO HAVE FOR A HOUR (THAT WAS BULL SHIT) because there wasn't never a room.

It was HARD for me to keep from telling the girls what I taught of them playing the guys making fools out of them, but I wanted to learn the inside INTEL/INFO of the Club so I could warn other guys about what I have learned.

Maybe after hearing their stories over the years WHEN I GO TO OTHER COUNTRIES or even to strip clubs here in the states (I MAKE SURE I AM IN CONTROL) the sailor in me sometimes come out by saying (I AM RUNNING THIS FUCKING SHOW) but I hope you all get mine points sometimes I come off HARD but I get angry thinking about how girls are taking guys that the girls say are nice guys but THE GIRLS AREN'T SO NICE TO THE GUYS???

But, GODFATHER AND LATASIAN keep on posting I enjoy reading your posting and looking at your pictures of the girls.

KidCisco

KidCisco:
I understand where you're coming from. I was just gonna post to Latasian about hombres being in charge, but I guess others were thinking the same thing.

Latasian:
Judging by the places you hung at (pussycats, Doma), the passive attitude-which I think you confuse with a nice guy attitude, it looks like you were destined for failure from the get go. Your mind was never in it, and weren't gonna have a good time regardless.

I'm not gonna kiss ass on this board, so I'm calling it as I see it.

I just had a chance to read Latasian's full report from Rio. It took a while because of the no separate paragraphs. I think this also shows you why it's so important to at least be able to understand or speak a little of the local language. I know some guys might disagree and say that it's not necessary but I don't think anyone will argue with the fact that a session or time spent with a girl will go MUCH better if you can communicate.

My spanish is still crappy but I can understand and say almost all of what I want to get across. It amazes me that some guys actually get upset or start yelling at a local in their own country. I was at the International Airport (EZE) in Buenos Aires. I wanted to try a new restaurant so I walked all the way down the long corridor into the other section of the airport. (Located upstairs once you go through security). It was dead that time of night but there were like 6 waiters. There was only me and another American in there. This American was all pissed because the waiter couldn't speak any English. I mean this guy was making an ass of himself. He was yelling because the waiter couldn't understand his request for salad dressing.

I flagged down the waiter and asked for the guy. I felt like asking the guy why he was yelling at the poor waiter. I just shook my head in amazement. Guys, we are in their country. It's the same as a foreigner coming here to the USA and getting pissed because we don't understand them. Yeah, stupid.

Latasian,

When I posted before I hadn't read your report, I was responding to the "taking charge" issue. I just read the Rio part of your report and I have to say I have absolutely no sympathy for you having a bad time. I think you brought all your problems on yourself.

First, you could have easily read the board tried Solarium, 4x4, Monte Carlo, Luomo, or even Centarus, but you spent all your time at clubs?? Why not try another Terma once? It's really hard to screw it up. It costs less and you could have picked and even repeated with a garota you liked.

Also carrying around a translator and asking guys if they have English speaking garotas is like wearing a T-shirt "I'm I gringo!!!" When you do this you're literally asking to pay more for shitty quality. You'd probably saved a lot of money just paying a guide like Don or somebody else to show you around.

With respect to your comments about speaking Portuguese, I'm the one who is puzzled. You seem to imply that since you don't speak Thai and you've gotten by ok in Thailand speaking English that people in other countries (such as Brazil and Argentina) should accomodate you and speak English? That's being stupid and naive. It would be smarter to learn some of the language of the country where you're going. I've never been to Thialand, but I'll practically guarantee you that by going there and speaking English I'll pay more for women, taxis, whatever...because I don't speak Thai. Maybe I'm wrong, but to blame the country you visit for not accomodating you in your language sounds arrogant to me. I don't hear that a lot on this board-most guys understand and accept it and I personally know a lot of hombres trying to improve their Spanish and Portuguese. Maybe you would be wise to to the same if you ever decide to visit South America again.

HC1

HC1:

I didn't post seeking sympathy from anyone. I posted as a curtesy to UWphoto and GodFather who are members of this board and were excellent guides/amigos during our time in Buenos Aires. And also as a curtesy to Moondog who provided some guidance via email prior to my trip.

Why are you and others so "distraught" that I didn't just fall head over heels in love with Rio or BA?? I reported what "I" experienced when I was in Rio and in BA. If "YOUR" expereinces were different then you know what? - That's life!

I never said that anyone "should accomodate ... me ... and speak English". What I WAS getting at with my comment on Thai and Thailand is simply this: LANGUAGE WAS NOT A BARRIER TO ME HAVING A GOOD TIME IN THAILAND. So it puzzles me that it's such a big deal in Rio and Buenos Aires. But each place is different. Furthermore, yes, I did ask about girls that could speak English when I visited some clubs in Rio. Well, going on the premise that sessions are better when the involved parties can communicate with one another AND knowing my limitations with Portuguese it seemed reasonable at the time TO inquire. You say that doing so "is like wearing a T-shirt "I'm I gringo!!!" " Well, I think that they would have figured it out from the other clues as well - say like when they ask "Where you are from?" and I respond with "I am from California/America"

As far as bring arrogant, that is possibly so - but if I were arrogant I wouldn't have even bothered with the electronic translator. Yes, it is INFINITELY better if one can speak every language and every dialect that one encounters but unfortunately I don't have the time or energy to devote to such a persuit. Currently, I am able to communicate in English and have some basic Thai. I am in the process of learning more Thai as well as Cebuano and Tagalog. Adding Spanish and Portuguese would not be feasible given that I also have a job and a life outside of pay for play. That is not to say that I didn't know some basic phrases in Spanish and Portuguese but I am no where near the level of being able to communicate in those languages.

Anyway, let's clear this up once and for all. My disappointment with BA and Rio was not due to language issues, nor due to the fact that I spent one night ALLOWING myself to be jerked around by a girl, nor due to money issues, etc. It was because the VAST majority of girls DID NOT live up to the hype as far as attractiveness is concerned. And that is the bottom line. Another CH member who was in BA at that same time as I (and who, incidentially LOVES BA) posted ... "Being in Buenos Aires during the same time period I think it's safe to say the quality of the chicas was wayyyyy down. It was very cold several nights and many girls were on "vacation". The clubs for the most part sucked and many of the internet girls were gone." So I don't think my assessment is too far from what "I" experienced. Now you may wish to argue that it was not representative of other times of the year and I can grant that. But it doesn't change what I experienced on THIS trip which is what I was reporting.

La

Godfather: Re; local language, I agree knowing ateast a little beforehand helps. I have so many english-to-xyz books and I use them, and do not hesitate to take it out in front of the person - It shows them at-least you are trying.

The only country where it is least useful is Netherland - Where kids learn atleast four languages before they finish school, english being one of them.

I hate sessioning with girls who can speak English. It is a major turn-on for me when I cannot verbally communicate with them.

Latasian,

Perhaps I was a little harsh in my critique, but distraught? No, I just think you wasted most of your time in Rio and your report is a misreprentation of the quality there, even in September which is down time.

Your statement that your disappointment was because "the VAST majority of girls DID NOT live up to the hype as far as attractiveness is concerned" is a joke because you NEVER SAW the VAST MAJORITY of women in Rio because you never went to a Terma, other than 65 one time. You could have gone to Monte Carlo, Luomo, Solarium, 4x4, Centuarus, Rio Antigo, and other Termas and seen hundreds of other garotas, but you didn't. I don't see how you can claim that the that there was no talent in Rio when you decided not to go where the women are.

What makes me cringe is that you could have walked out of the Rio Roiss, around the block and into Tudo y Facil and accessed the site. You could have printed a map and walked to Luomo, Monte Carlo or Centaurus in 20 minutes, but instead you let yourself get played by some club garotas? I don't know man, sorry you had a bad time and all, but you might want to be more prepared if you ever come to Rio again.

HC1

HC1:

This will be my final comment on this topic as I have other things to do than have a debate about how you feel my trip went.

Your point is well taken that I overstepped the boundaries of good scientific reporting when I said "the VAST majority of girls DID NOT live up to the hype as far as attractiveness is concerned" as I did NOT view the VAST majority of girls working as prostitutes in Rio at the time I was there. And so, in that light I will revise my statement to "the VAST majority of girls that I saw at HELP, Barbarella, Doma, Pussycat, Meia Pataca, La Cicillino, Frank's, the resturant in front of HELP, and at the venues in the Lido area where one can look in from the street and see the girls DID NOT live up to the hype as far as attractiveness is concerned".

You are also correct that I went to only one terma. One was enough for me. I don't enjoy ST encounters. That is my personality.

Why are you cringing, even if you aren't distraught? So, I didn't find the vast majority of prostitues that I saw in Rio to be the picture of beauty as described by others? Remember beauty IS in the eye of the beholder. I have my standards of beauty and the vast majority of prostitues that I saw in Rio were average or below. Is that such a big deal to you that I feel that way?

And no where in my report did I say that I had a BAD time. I was disappointed, true, but I still found women who were suitable for the things I wanted. But I would not return to either BA or Rio SOLELY for the purpose of meeting attractive prostitutes.

You have no idea how prepared or unprepared I was for my stay in Rio. True, I didn't go to but a single terma. So what? They aren't my speed, or cup of tea, or whatever euphimism you wish to use. I went to a selection of places that I thought would fit in with what I was seeking. (i.e. HELP, Barbarella, Doma, Pussycat, Meia Pataca, La Cicillino, Frank's, the resturant in front of HELP, looked into a couple of other Lido area places but didn't stay after seeing the "talent")

And finally, as for being "played by some club garotas" - of the 6 nights that I was in Rio, I slept alone one night, 2 nights I did one girl, 2 nights I did doubles, one night I did 2 short times and one night I went with a girl who wasted some of my time but in the end reduced her price significantly. Yeah, I wasted some time on one night out of 11 (eleven) waiting for a girl that I had had a VERY good time with on the previous night. Oh, and the night of the two short times one of the girls that had agreed to go long time wanted to go after short time. I paid her appropiately. What, was I supposed to force her to stay??? If that is being played then so be it. It probably won't be the last time that I am played. But you know what, I am not worried about it. Why are you?

You may have had a different experience in Rio than I but that doesn't change MY experience. And while I could have done things differently, doing so would not have changed the attractiveness of the girls in the venues I visited. Well, donning a very thick pair of beer goggles when viewing them might do the trick but I don't drink much, and certainly never enough to make them become stunners.

La (PEACE OUT)

Latasian,

I don't want to get into some flame war over this either. I'm really not distraught, it's just that I saw SO MANY HOT GAROTAS at all the Termas and you could have walked to a lot them. I cringed because I would have LOVED to have your time in Rio and you spent all that time at Doma and other clubs? You may not be "short time" type, but maybe try a few some other options if things aren't working? You can also hook up with some Terma garotas on weekends.

I'll agree with you I didn't see a lot of talent either in Franks, Doma, Meia Pataca, Pussycat, or Help. In fact most the garotas I saw these places were dogs. I did see a few hot garotas in La Cic and Barbarellas, but they were few and far between. The garota I pulled from La Cic was below average.

I'm not trying to change your experience. From your report I got that it wasn't that great and your garotas weren't that special. What I'm having a hard time getting across to you is the huge number of gorgeous women you passed up. I'm sure it doesn't mean anything to you because you never saw them and you don't have plans to return anytime soon.

HC1

To all you hombres interested in doing Rio and BA.
Latasian's report is not at all representative of the talent there. Most hombres reaction, as was mine, is "WOW" when first entering a terma.
It almost seems as though he had a hormonal deficiency during his stay.
To write such a long negative report after frequenting a few lowly bars "Pussycats, Doma" and referring to the street walkers around "Lido", is a grave disservice to the board members regarding the talent in Rio, BA.
Latasian: If you didn't do a fair sample, why did you bother to write such long posts putting down their women? I also think you were pretty arrogant by repeatedly stating in your posts "prostitutes".
As far as beauty being in the eye of the beholder, "BULL"! (Well, maybe to an extent). How would you explain the majority of people agreeing on a hottie.
And I still say you did just about everything ass backwards.

Latasian,

I do appreciate the posts and hope that none of the negative feedback holds you back from future trip posting. I don't think that trip posting can do anything negative. At the same time, I agree with your critics 100%. Again, I hope this does not deter you, however.

Hey guys. To be fair. Would I or would you or would your friends do Rio differently?? Yeah, probably but Latasian didn't. I think these boards are for posting "real life" experiences. Not just to read the same stuff over and over about a city. I like to read what a person didn't like or what bad things happened. That way it helps me to know what I might do differently.

I was in Buenos Aires the exact same time Latasian was and I can tell you that the clubs DID suck. Also, Latasian isn't the only dude that has been to Rio and been disappointed with the quality of the girls. But maybe the reason the guys didn't post was because they were afraid of guys 'jumping' on them.

Obviously no one needs defending and I'm certainly not but anyone that knows me knows I'll give my unsolicited 2 cents. I could tell Latasian was also disappointed with Buenos Aires and the quality there... but you know what? I could care less and either should anyone else.

Beauty IS in the eye of the beholder. Many of the girls on this site I wouldn't do for free. That is the God's honest truth. What some guys find attractive...I find dogs. I'm not attracted in the slightest to Asian girls. I don't care how hot they are. I don't find them attractive. I've known Asian girls that were Miss " " beauty queens from State Pageants that wanted to date me and I flat out told them i'm not interested...so Yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Different strokes for different folks I always say. Good luck all.

I think it's good to have different perspectives.
To me it sounds the Lido and Help can be very difficult propositions during the off season. Strangely it seems with lower customer base, prices go up and quality goes down.
My only problem reading Latasian's report was the lack of paragraph so I was getting lost.
It is true that to get TLN in Rio it's hit and miss. Easy to get at Help but if selection is bad, what's the point? Not easy to get at Barbarella and then during low season selection can be average.
But give me South America in low season any day as I am stuck in SoCal.

Lat

I gotta admit it was hard reading what appeared to be negative report on Rio, because I ve become a big fan since my first and only visit there. But that was your experience and your take on the trip.Like you said beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

My question is how would you compare the two (Rio and BA).Based on your experience which was better.

Godfather:

I was in Rio and BA at approximately the same time as you and Latasian.
I agree that different opinions should be welcomed, and I also like to read real life experiences, but such lengthy reports after only having touched the waters, is a bit unfair and as in this case, I feel a misrepresentation.

As far as beauty being in the eye of the beholder, I have to disagree. Why then don't we have a few fat toothless gargoyles sprinkled in between the model looking babes in beauty contests? I realize there are factors which make up our attractions (chemistry, conditioning etc.), but we all know a nasty dog when we see one.

Latasian:
Well it was glad to hear you enjoyed Rio the second time around. Hope you return. If you do it'll help if your expectations are of meeting TJ zona looking chicas in Rio/BA. You'll happily be relieved.

Latasian,

Thanks for an honest, useful report. I appreciate your candor.

Dem Gnomes

My keyboard has a return key. Actually it says 'enter'. Helpful for making paragraphs.

You missed the best of Rio. Sorry to hear that. Now having finished reading I am going to take a tylenol.