| By Lizardking on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 03:50 pm: Edit |
Just got back from Panama this past Sunday after spending 6 days there. I have been trying to do some investing and other business down there. My contact set me and my partner up with people to meet throughout the country. In the past, I have only stayed in Panama City and taken day trips in order to explore some of the highlands and beach areas. This time we rented an SUV and drove out to Bouquete in the Chirique province. The trip was about 6 hours. (45 minutes by plane but I'm not much for 25 passenger props!) Most of the drive was pretty good until we hit a stretch of the highway that was under construction. It didn't help that we got out of the city late on Tuesday so more than half of the drive would be in the dark. Of course, I was the guy at the wheel when I almost hit a woman walking her baby stroller opposite traffic on the side of the road (with practically no shoulder) in the dark of the night. Prior to that I was just concerned with hitting one of the dozens of stray dogs we saw strolling along side of the road.
We pull into Boquete around 10:30 pm. This town has seen a construction boom over the past few years....many Americans building half million dollar houses in the mountains. Alot of retirees live and own businesses in town. I thought for sure that I would be able to find some women there. As we headed out to the bars we were quickly informed that they all closed at 11:30 by order of the Mayor........so much for picking up women in a retirement town! A local bartender told me that I would have to go into David, the largest town closest to Bouquete. It was about 35 minutes away by car. He made some calls and told me that, for $70 he could have a girl come to me and that I would also have to pay for her cab fare back and forth. Now, I'm the kind of guy who likes to pick out his own girl. I was very skeptical about what would show up at my doorstep in the middle of the country. So, my buddy (who is brand new to mongering) and I decided to make the trek into David ourselves. Bouquete had two taxi's working at that hour, so we waited a while for one of them to show up to take us into town. This guy pulls up in what looks like some kind of pickup truck with junk in the flatbed and a back seat for the passengers. The vehicle is clearly marked "Taxi". Kind of weird, but hey, I wasn't going to start driving around myself in parts unknown to me! We get into the cab. The taxi driver seems like a nice kid, his co-pilot wearing a greasy red hat who is missing most of his front teeth. We start heading to David at about 80 miles per hour on some two lane road with no lights. I have thought to myself many times that I was going to die in a taxi in Panama, but I was certain that this would really my last ride! Incredibly, we arrive alive in David and pull up to this beat up old building with an unpaved parking lot full of mud puddles and a cop at the front door carrying a shotgun. (For those that need to find this place in the future, it was called "La Esmeralda"). We walk in and are clearly the only white guys in the room. Here I am in my dockers and polo shirt that I was still in from the meeting we had earlier in the day. Needless to say, we got some pretty good stares. This place was one of the dirtiest bars/places that I had ever been in my life. I could tell that my buddy was a bit scared. This place was really something out of a movie! There were about 20 chicas, most of which were ugly or fat. I bought a few beers for myself, my buddy, the taxi driver and his sidekick....$3 a piece. Not a bad price, I thought until I later found out that the non-gringos only pay $1! I went to go take a piss in this smelly trough and start talking to some guy in my broken Espanol and inquire about the rates. He told me that he just banged some girl for $10! I come to find that you pay $10 for 10 minute increments. What a bargain!! Anyway, I find the hottest looking girl there. She was a Columbian (as most of them are), thin and wore glasses as she was going for the student look. Anyway, knowing it would take me close to 10 minutes just to get my clothes off, I negotiate for 30 minutes, hand her 30 bucks which she then passes off to the bartender in exchange for a set of keys. She brings me down some corridor past many rooms and brings me into this dingy looking, poorly lit room with a bed, a shower and toilet. No towels, but hey, I wasn't about to get into that shower anyway! The sheets appeared to be clean. Well, we banged pretty good. I felt bad about only spending $30 bucks (of which I am sure that she will only be getting half of that at most), so I finished up early and left about 5 minutes on the clock. After all, she certainly deserved the time off! We both head back to the bar where she sits down to look for more customers. All-in-all, not a bad time for a 1:00 trip on a Tuesday night to the town of David!
We head back to Bouquete in the same taxi. By this time my buddy, the driver and his copilot are all drunk! We drive back up the pitch black hill and stop at some desolate gas station to fill up. I'm in the back seat of this taxi/pickup truck, whatever the fuck it was and the co-pilot with no teeth is talking to me. I'm not quite sure what the fuck this guy is saying. I just asked him who punched him in the face. He just smiled. The surreal part of this experience is that about 20 feet away was this very well distinguished and well dressed black guy wearing a blazer (looked like a young Ray Charles) was standing there with a smile and a dark pair of shades. Just then we saw his cane and his seeing eye dog. The whole thing was so out of place. If I didn't know better I'd say that this was some kind of weird trip.
That night we stayed in some shitty 7 room hotel in town. The roosters woke me up at 4:30. Some kind of animal was clawing at my window in the middle of the night - scared the shit out of me! (Later the next day I read in article in the local newspaper about some kind of weird possum type animal that was taking over the town at night). To cap it all off, the power tools starting from the property next door at about 6:30 am! Spent the rest of the day in Bouquete looking at properties.
We head back to Panama City on Wednesday afternoon. Once again, almost hit the dogs on the side of the road. Got back to PC only to find that there were no hotel rooms anywhere. Luckily, after alot of searching we were able to find a place called Crystal Palace or something like that on Calle Brazil that was an apartment building turned hotel. It was pretty much a shithole! Met up with some friends but decided to go home alone.
Thursday night we hit Habano's across from the Marriott. I always like to start out my evening there and have had much luck. I got to know the black guy who tends to the cigar shop and the waiter, Ricardo. They usually hook me up. My buddy, whom I mentioned is new to all of this is approached by a chica who speaks some english. She seems very nice and they pretty much hit it off right away. My buddy doesn't speak any spanish so he asks me to work out the money thing. She tells me $100. My buddy only has $57 in his wallet. He runs across the street to the Marriott cash machine.......no luck. He goes next store to the bank machine........no luck. He comes back and tells me that his card does not work. I then jokingly ask if this girl will accept a Visa card or check. Of course, she says no. So I basically tell her that this guy only has $57 dollars and she should take it or leave it. She says, ok $80. I say ok, not wanting to get any more involved in this discussion than I already am. I tell my buddy she has accepted his offer, but I warn him that this girl is a trainwreck waiting to happen. The clothes are tight on her.....too tight to fit that body. I've been there before, and I knew that it was going to get ugly! Needless to say, he does not take my advice and tells me that this is the girl he wants. Now, it's time for me to find a girl. There was this cute chica who was talking to some guys. I had my buddy's girl go over to her and pull her away. She comes over, we negotiate a bit and off we all go together. That night we were staying at the Sevilla Suites, down the road from the Veneto. As we get out of the cab and into the elevator where the lighting is much better, my girl suddenly looks really cute and my buddy's girl looks like she got into a knife fight years ago with scars that were covered by the makeup on her face...a real jigsaw puzzle!
Well, my girl was good. She was 21 and fucked like a bunny..........a little to much energy for me, though! My buddy calls me later that night to tell me that he banged his girl in the ass and that he had awesome sex. She did look aweful without her clothes on and that she freaked out when he only gave her $57, expecting to get $80. Well, I guess he calmed her down after a while and told her that he would catch up with her the next evening and pay her the difference, which I thought was hysterical. The guy has been there a few days and already he's running a tab!
Friday night we went to the Bodeguita, the salsa bar in the pink district around the corner from the Intercontinental Hotel on Balboa Ave. As usual, the place was packed......particularly with Columbian working girls. The one thing I don't like about that place is that it is VERY dark and you really can't be sure what you are looking at. The flood lights came on intermittently for a few seconds during a song and I capitalized on this light and sprung into action! I approached a girl whom I would not normally approach - the kind that looks like a hooker from a mile away - big fake tits, tons of makeup, big ass antler tatoo, etc. I was just in the mood for something different and that's sure what I got! Well, needless to say, they sure made her check in at the front desk at the Crowne Plaza. Once again, the sex was good but she spent more time putting on her makeup when it was time to leave than the time we spent rolling around in the bed! BTW, that night my buddy decided to call the girl that he banged in the ass and ripped off and she agreed to meet him at the hotel lobby. This guy spent about two hours waiting for her, and she was a no show. I can't say that I've never gotten blown off by a hooker before, but I just had to laugh at this guy!
Saturday night we hung out at the Veneto Casino. Most of my friends already had their girls lined up for the night. I was about to hang it up and just head over to Golden Times, when in walks this beautiful girl with long dark hair, dressed kind of conservatively, but you knew that she was working. I call her over and it turns out that she speaks perfect english (which was a first for me in Panama) and that she was Panamanian and not Columbian. This girl is 23 and turns out to be very cool. We hang for a few hours and had awesome sex!! Then came the money part and things turned a bit sour. She wanted $300. I told her that I usually pay $80. The bottom line is that I paid her $150. I wasn't happy about it but this is one that I'd like to see again.
So, sorry about the lengthy post. It was really a good trip. I am very excited about the opportunities that Panama has, both for making money and for the women! My past trip in January looked like a cock fest. I'm happy to report that the women are back. Not sure how long it will last, but I'm optimistic because I batted 4 for 4 last week........which included 0 trainwrecks and 0 smelly pussy's!
| By Furysys on Saturday, May 05, 2007 - 01:56 pm: Edit |
I didn't like Bodeguita's, it was as loud as hell, and like you said, very dark. After an hour, I had a massive headache and split. Any places you know with the same quantity of babes, a touch more light, and maybe a DJ who doesn't put the amplifiers up to 14?
| By Lizardking on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 12:27 pm: Edit |
Though I haven't been there myself, I have been told that the club Decapolis at the Radisson has a good selection late at night - only Thurs-Sat. Also, a place called Kitaros on Calle 50.
| By Cayrick on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 03:06 pm: Edit |
I was in Kitaros in Nov.03. It was very quiet until 3 AM and the chicas that didn't get picked up at clubs suddenly poured in. That was on a Fri. nite.
| By Bertrandx22 on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 03:04 pm: Edit |
hello, need recommandation of nice hotel , chicas friendly please. hotel 4 or 5 stars, thanks
| By Alecjamer on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 06:30 am: Edit |
Lizardking -
Nice report. Never worry about the length of your reports...you write well and your story was interesting.
I am really glad to read that you explored beyond Panama City. David and the highlands of Chiriqui are really an interesting experience. I've done that trip too a few times with my Pan friends...I've done the very local lifestyle with them for an entire week...no a/c and my morning shower was a 5 gal bucket of cold water with a plastic cup.
As you very well know $300 is a suckers fee. $150 is a scam as well. $60 and upwards to $80 (for a real performer) is right. I've actually started to walk on good looking women who asked $100 or higher and they always call me back to settle for a reasonable fee.
Overall a great report...I've been away from the Club for a while...I'm glad to see that mongering in Panama is alive and well. Looks like I will be heading down in late July...I'm now about 2-years away from retiring and living in Panama part-time...I can hardly wait.
Alec
| By Jlara on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 01:06 pm: Edit |
I was recently with a large group down there and the girls we pulled from Golden Times was worth every penny. We took 8 girls out of there back to the Veneto. We paid $300 for each girl, but that was for the night. Was that the right price? They said $150 for an hour, $220 for two hours, $300 for the night.
| By Alecjamer on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 09:39 pm: Edit |
Jlara -
You over-paid. You should have fucked the girl in the MP, then taken her back to your hotel where you should have fucked her a couple more times for maybe $150...tip included.
Guys...please don't ruin Panama...this place is not the USA or any of the countless mongering destinations that have been ruined by inexperienced mongerers who think over-paying somehow gets them better sex.
There are many threads in the archives that repeat over and over not to over-pay these girls regardless how hot they are. When you over-pay you inflate future prices for all of us...eventually paradise will be lost as these women will spread word to their friends to hold-out for more money. When you over-pay...you screw all of us as you are turning Panama into an unaffordable mongering location.
Maybe is seems like it is no big deal because you have money to burn and you "think" you are helping a poor whore-out...but go visit Nogales Mexico and try to get laid...Nogales used to be a great mongering destination...then the gringos starting paying more and more for less and less. Now a monger can hardly get laid in Nogales...the best he can do is try to fuck a woman sitting in a plastic chair for an absorbinate amount of money while a bouncer watches. Paradise is lost in Nogales and soon you will ruin Panama if you pay 3 to 5-times the going rate like you did.
I refuse to pay more than $60 for a 1-hour fuck in Panama...I haggle and insist that $60 is the going "fair" rate...I even walk on some women when they try to hold out. I've even worked deals to get the chica to stop by my hotel after work...I don't mind paying her another $60 if she sleeps with me all night and I bust another nut or two...I might even buy her dinner if I really like her...but $300 to let her sleep after she fucks you once more? No way.
To put this in perspective for you...the minimum wage in Panama is $280 per month. That is $1.75 per hour. Most chicas who work in MPs would otherwise make about $15 in an entire day in any other job. If they can fuck a guy for an hour for $40 or $50 (assuming the MP gets $20)...they are doing very well for themselves.
All of you who are new to mongering...please break your mindset that over-paying will get you better sex. Latinas do not think like American women. Latinas expect men to be macho/machismo. If you are firm, but fair in your negotiations...a Latina will find you more attractive because a real man will not over-pay. A whimp or a chump will over-pay...soon Latinas will think all gringos are whimps and chumps.
Everyone take a lesson...play hardball when setting a price no matter where you are mongering...know what the real going rate is and set a fair price. You may actually find that the women will fuck you harder because they know you are a real man and not a fool.
This is the honest truth.
Alec
| By Elimgarak on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 01:38 am: Edit |
Could not agree more AJ! $300 for the night! Holy shit!
The women you pay the most for, as AJ dictates, will only disrespect you more and therefore leave early and go fuck someone else they respect...............and fuck them much better!
I have noticed that with the influx of gringos investing in Panama city, the girls are getting a bit greedier. They are wanting more money and all in all giving worse service. I always stick to my guns there. If you don't want to fuck for my price I will find someone who will; and you can always find someone as good looking who will, even though it may take a bit more time.
Its all up to you. Panama is like a central American Vegas now. If you go in drooling and totally wanting them, they've got ya! You will pay top dollar, get absolutely no respect and poor "whore-acted" sex. Being a bit tough with them actually makes them wet in the pussy, even if they don't admit it. Let the hard noses play some other gringo. Don't be their mark and make a fool of yourself. You can pay $300 to get fucked like this which IMHO is the same as stroking your pud in front of porn.
The prices in and around Panama city are already increasing, not only for professional sexual encounters, but for commodities as well. Hotel stays and rentals are up around 25% across the board, but groceries and standard sex shops like Oasis are pretty much the same deal. At the Oasis the girls are asking for more, but again, you can pay them $30 or $40 if you are nice and still have a great session.
| By Adonis8 on Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 08:01 pm: Edit |
Very good post! Lot of good details to make for a good story, and a lot of facts and figures so that it will be useful to other readers, like me! Big thumbs up.