I went to FKK Stuttgart (Phoenix Club)a few weeks ago. It was basically laid out about the same, and with all with the same routine as what is generally represented on the boards. There were about 35 girls there, and probably about 10 guys. The selection seemed just a slight notch above a medium to upper level massage parlor, with an occassional hotty, but mostly they were also slightly older than we are used to in Monterrey, Mexico, my most frequented venue.

It was cramped quarters there, not particularly a clean kind of environment, kind of like a medium level Monterrey massage parlor, with beds being an additional comfort that distinguishes them from a massage parlor. I also felt that the GFE was much more available in the FKK setting than in the massage parlor setting.

They had the locker room, the showers, the sauna, the jaccuzi, the lounge areas, etc..., but FKK Stuttgart was relatively cramped quarters in comparison to Club Globe in Zurich, which had much nicer facitilies.

FKK Stuttgart had four floors of rooms, with the bottom level being the locker room and lounge area, the second level having rooms and a communal shower. The third and fourth floors were all private rooms. At FKK Stuttgart, there was no orgy room that I saw, just private rooms with mattresses thrown on the floors. Plus, I did not see them changing the linens on the beds between sessions. If one were to look closely, I am sure one would determine the rooms and beds to be filthy. But, I didn't look too closely out of fright. When I went to the room with a girl, she would usually throw a big towel over the center of the bed to give us a cleaner environment to lye down.

The first girl I chose spoke English, and her family was from Wyoming. She is a German girl, lives in Germany, has lived there her entire life, and she speaks fluent German of course. But, her English was also very good, almost an undiscernable German dialect to her English, a result of a very brief time during childhood spent in the US, and an American upbringing by American parents. She was a little loony, but a lot of fun. I had a nice time with her. She cost me 300 Euros for about an hour, a Euro being approximately 1.5 times the dollar.

The second girl was from the Domican Republc, spoke Spanish of course, which enabled me to communicate, which seems to be an important step in the USB courting process :-))) So, I took her up for about a half hour, which cost me another 200 Euros. So, with the cover of 40 Euros, the night at FKK Stuttgart cost me around 540 Euros (x 1.5 in dollars). OUCH!!!!!!!!!!! But, research is costly, right?

The second night I visited what I perceived to be the largest FKK in Stuttgart, "FKK-Haus." This was a huge facility in a commercial building, two floors, probably at least occupying a floor space of 20-30,000 square feet, maybe more. I do not judge volumetric space that accurately, but suffice it to say it was a huge frinckin' place.

It also contained the usual, locker room, communal shower where the girls and the guys clean up together. There are several environments there at FKK-Haus. There are many private rooms, along with communal rooms with beds that have a shear tent like covering over them, but tent like places that are exposed to vailed sight be onlookers, plus a large orgy room with a matress area that was at least 12' x 12'. The rooms were all seemingly pretty clean, with a bed on the floor, but with clean sheets, which are seemingly changed after each encounter, etc...I don't know if they keep up with changing things that often, but the rooms seemed quite clean in comparison to FKK-Stuttgart.

They had a staff of little Philopinas that were running around making sure the rooms were clean, the locker room was tended to, etc...They had a maid service room where the cleaning girls congregated, and it looked like a laundry in a hotel, and the girls were constantly hustling around the facility doing their duty to keep it clean. I was impressed with the effort being made toward cleanliness. Of course, one never really knows the extent of the cleanliness there, and especially because I only spent one evening there, but it seeming was comparatively very well kept to me.

So, the first girl I chose at FKK-Haus was from Lithuania. She was a tall girl, probably at least 5'10." She had a nice body, a nice rack, about a six or seven in the face, a nice butt...but, tall. I generally seem to gravitate toward shorter girls, so I could immediately sense that the whole European experience compared to my routine Monterrey, Mexico experiences was going to offer something quite a bit different for me. I usually prefer shorter girls, and don't usually select tall girls, but in Europe, the girls are tall. The first girl I selected was quite tall, but she smiled, and personality made me choose her over some of the others.

There were very definitely girls there that did not like going with anyone outside their own relative age group, and most of the time, they were the hotties. But, there were some that seemed open to a middle aged guy, but most were pretty reserved that were relatively young. But I found that you needed to approach them to determine their range of preferences. I found that most of the girls were not aggressive, not even soliciting clients, but waiting patiently to be selected. You had to make the moves, and discern their interest level. I was not bashful with girls I wanted to assess, but some of them did not react favorably enough to risk the expenditure, something I chaulked to an age bias on their part. There were, afterall, a number of twenty and thirty somethings there for them to choose from. But, conversely, there were also girls that did not have an age bias, girls that once I spoke to them, their interest/acceptance level became more evident, and their demeanor was accepting of me as a middle aged guy. In the privacy of the room, my theory about woman lacking the same degree of age bias as males was proved once again. The social taboos of age bias are easily removed in the privacy of a room, with no outside socialization taboos to fuck up the dynamic. But, on the floor, there were girls that seemingly did not prefer to see guys other than ones in their own age group.

The second girl I chose was from Romania. She was 23 years old, olive skin, round cute face, black hair, tight and thin body, "C" size chest, etc...She spoke fluent English. She was really delightful, very interested, lots of kissing, very sweet, etc...I enjoyed my time with her very much. She cost me about 180 Euros for a little over a half hour. I think she probably stayed with me for at least 45 minutes if not one hour. I would always ask the girls how much I owed them, and they routinely surprised me by telling me that I only owed them for an hour, or a half hour, when in reality, I know I spent at least twice that amount of time with them in the room.

I did tip most of the girls about 20-50 Euros over and above their fee, and none of the girls were time watchers. They did not know they would be receiving tips until the very end, when the both of us were standing in the locker room where I could access my funds. They surprised me by not watching the clock. Europe is very expensive, and I expected them to bleed me whereever possible. That was not the case in either of the FKK's in Stuttgart that I visited.

There were at least fifty percent of the encounters where I knew I exceeded time, but they did not charge me for the excess. But, especially in cases where I knew I had exceeded time, I tipped the girls. They seemed genuinely appreciative of their tips. But, even at 20 Euros, with the exchange rate being at 1.5 times for dollars, the tips were relatively generous, IMHO. Especially for a monger used to paying significantly less in other venues such as my stomping ground, Monterrey, Mexico.

The payment plan works this way. You pay your entrance fee up front, 40 Euros at FKK-Stuttgart, and 60 Euros at FKK-Haus. Then if you partake in time with a girl for sex, and it's a flat rate by the half hour. You get soft drinks free, and liquor and beer cost something I believe. I don't remember those specifics because I do not drink.

I think both places charged 140 Euros for a half hour of sex in the room with a girl, but there could be a slight difference in the half hour price between the two places...I don't remember for sure, but I do think they were the same, 140 Euros. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong on that.

The entrance fee at the FKK-Haus was higher than FKK-Stuttgart. I expected FKK-Haus to have many more girls because I was there on a Friday night, and I had been told by my first girl at FKK-Stuttgart that FKK-Haus would have many more girls, and a much bigger environment than her own club, especially on the weekend. But, I was surprised when I finally did arrive at FKK-Haus and assessed the talent because I actually saw more girls at FKK-Stuttgart on Thursday night than I saw at FKK-Haus on Friday night. However, I was not able to spend the amount of time at FKK-Haus that I spent at FKK-Stuttgart.

Plus, I must say, the girls at FKK-Stuttgart were much more attentive to me as a patron than most of the girls seemed to be at FKK-Haus. I was a little surprised that the girls at FKK-Haus seemed more subdued, less aggressive, in a good way, than the girls at FKK-Haus. The quality of selection seemed ever so slightly better at FKK-Haus, but not by much.

Your mileage may vary, and my own gauging of success is almost one of intuition, and certainly not something that can be measured scientifically. So, we all know how well we are doing, or are not doing, with the girls in these scenarios, and mine is an estimate of what is possible for the multitudes, and not a commentary on my own reality, real or imagined.

Spongedude:

Thanks for the report on Stuttgart. I haven't seen an FKK report on this city so info is always welcome, but to quote your own words, "OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!"

These are expensive FKKs. Frankfurt runs 50 ears for a fuck, 50 extra ears if you cim.

Haven't seen any case of girls avoiding customers even an ugly fart like me in Frankfurt.

Of course they don't change the sheets, you do it on a fresh towel and shower afterwards, but I haven't seen FKKs that are dirty?

The final blow? You say they aren't up to the standard you find in Monterrey? Haven't been there but I have come to believe based upon my own and other's trip report from south of the border that there isn't scene I would find worth doing.

Hey thanks for the great TR USB. And ouch them pices hurt my wallet just reading them. Hope you are doing well.

Wow USB I had been wondering where you were. Thanks for reporting back on the scene in Germany. I don't think I will be making the rounds over there anytime soon. Like Mongerx said, I hope all is well my friend.

whats new about EUROPEAN PUSSY being so expensive ? nothing !
540 euros for a couple of hours? or whatever !
THATS $792.00 DOLLARS OUCH ! OUCH ! OUCH!
No wonder none complained about those extra minutes with you !! at those prices ! whats there to complain about ?
I really dont get it about these place in Franfurt,, whats the purpose of that entrance fee?
after you pay through the roof for short time of sex... they need a cover charge !!
makes the koreans and japs look cheap !!

Happy:

It is not worth visiting Germany for FKKs since the out of club costs for meal, hotels etc. will eat you up. However, unlike this Stuttgart report, the Frankfort and Dusseldorf action is 50 Euros per session which is like $70 for caucasian eastern european pussy. That is a nice bargain plus walking around and seeing all of the girls nude before you commit is worthwhile.

Jigettis,,,
I taught GERMANY like HOLLAND has that "RED LIGHT DISTRICT" ? is pussy there just as expensive as these FKK clubs ? just curious?
is that 50 euros for half hour? or full hour at these clubs you mentioned ?

My most humble apologies...

I totally mis-quoted the costs in Stuttgart. I was recollecting my time at Club Globe in Zurich. In the interest of providing accurate information for those of you that might find yourselves stranded in Stuttgart, here are the accurate numbers. And, while these actual costs are not nearly as damaging as I mistakenly reported in my trip report, they are still astronomically expensive compared to what I know most of you are used to paying in your preferred venues. They are about two to three times what I am used to paying in Monterrey. Here are the accurate numbers...sorry for the error:

Girl #1: 80E for an hour, ($120US), FKK-Stuttgart.
Girl #2: 60E for 45 minutes, ($90US)FKK Stuttgart.
Girl #3: 100E for 45 minutes, ($150US)FKK-Haus.
Girl #4: 100E for 45 minutes, ($150US)FKK-Haus.

But, what I said still holds true with respect to these girls offering more time than what they ultimately charged me for, which impressed me coming from the Mexico venue where the scammers are so prolific.

These girls were not clock watchers, and they hung out with me after the sessions were over, some of them sitting around with me just to talk, a real GFE kind of encounter with each of them.

I did choose to tip all of these girls a few Euros because each of them was exceptional in attitude and performance, totally GFE each and every one. But, to be accurate, the costs were not as high as I quoted in my original post. But, if you add it up, it ain't cheap. $510US for what amounts to about 3.25 hours of fun. Plus, when you add in the cover charges, and a few bucks for tips, which are not mandatory, or expected, the costs were pretty high!

And, Jigettis, yes, I had noticed a void on the board with respect to Stuttgart in particular, and I felt it would be an addition that would at least offer some insight into the scene one could expect to experience in Stuttgart.

My original intent was to attempt to get over to Frankfurt, but there were just too many corporate meetings, dinners, etc...and I was so tied up at night, sometimes up to as late as 10pm, that I knew that I would never have the energy to make it up there and still feel refreshed for my business meetings during the day.

At first, I just gave up on the idea of doing any mongering at all. But, eventually, I realized that if there are FKKs in Frankfurt, there must be at least something to experience in Stuttgart, the headquarters to Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, Diamler, etc...I was right. An simple internet search revealed the potential opportunities, and the rest is history.

There were several other FKKs located in the Stuttgart area, but my research on the ground, talking to the girls, revealed that FKK-Stuttgart and FKK-Haus were the two largest ones.

But, of course, having only visited once, there are probably many others there that I know nothing about. At least we now have something posted on the board to go by.

Eventually, I will get around to reporting on Club Globe in Zurich. Now that's expensive!!! Stay tuned.

Hello to my long lost friends, MongerX, Woodway, Happy...thanks for the hellos and well wishes.

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To answer THM's question about how it works:

The FKK clubs evolved from naturist orgs where men and women joined on equal footing. Subsequently (for legal reasons?) the girls pay the same 65 euro (Frankfurt) entrance fee as the punters. In order to make her money back and some profit, a girl needs to do a couple of sessions (or provide some extras.)

The house makes all its profit from the entrance fees and extra service like massage. Somebody correct me if I'm mistaken, but my understanding is that the girls keep all session fees.

Unless things have changed recently, a standard session (incl BBBJ) is 50/half hr; CIM 50 extra; anal 50 more.

This is all great information, so thank you USB. I live in Munich now, and Stuggart is not far at all. Those prices, while expensive, are better than what I am told is the going rate in Munich (roughly 150 - 200 euro per hour).

I've been living here for almost four months now and haven't hobbied yet. I should be changing that within the next month or so, and will report here as well.

Thanks again,

LM

Ok the revised prices I guess aren't as bad. The pricing in the Frankfort clubs is really per session. I guess it is a 30 minute session and if you go over you risk incurring an extra an extra charge.

Happy:

Germany has red light districts and prices may be low but it is low service. Holland has good prices of 50 E for suck or fuck, but that it is a wham bam thank you man. It is more for both suck and fuck and there will be no kissing and one position. That sort of crap.

If you read one of the reports on FKK (just pull up german reports) you will see that you can sit and kiss your girl in the open and feel her up before committing, so you find out how she does. I found the services were generally good but with any high volume operation the girls are not generally in it. I've had great sessions and I've had lousy but most have been so so on the girls part with her kissing, sucking and fucking with no heart in it at all.

Still in one of my reports I said that I think there is a Grand Slam of Mongering: Thailand, Phillipines, Brazil and FKK. The experience is so unique that you just have to do it what ever it costs.

I believe that most would frown on the notion of "tipping" at FKKs. As its stands now, they don't expect it. The worry is that if they get tipped too often, then they will expect it!

I have never perceived that girls HAD an age bias. Unless of course you're ancient.
NOW, I have perceived girls to have an "ugly" bias.

And to the guy that mentioned Monterey in the replies. It is my belief, and I've been paying attention, that Monterey produces the second most beautiful girls in Mexico.
Not a trivial thing. Because I also believe that the city that Monterey runs second to, produces some of the most beautiful girls in the whole world.
Guadalajara.
Monterey produces some HOT girls, yo.

Many girls have an age bias, and that applies worldwide, regardless of nationality or ethnicity. It is especially true the Hotter and younger they are. It is also dependent on how much experience they have with middle aged men. When I say older men, I am talking about middle aged men, maybe between about 45-60 years old for example.

Consider this, if the girl is young, hot, and already as busy as she can be, she has a choice of whatever males she chooses to spend her time with. Certain cultures promote certain age restricted norms. European culture promotes a much stronger age bias than Latin or Asian cultures. And, I was not surprised to see my preconceive notion about age bias confirmed in Germany as compared to Mexico or the Orient.

Some girls, but not all, will typically choose men that are from their same general age category, if they have the option through the power of their own intrinsic beauty. But, of course, money is the eternal equalizer. But, IMHO, European culture exhibits a stronger age bias where compensation is equal compared with the Latin and Asian cultures.

However, I also think that culture and ethnicity dictate their openess toward older men, versus their preference for men in their own age category. So, depending on how they girls are socialized, dictates their range of openess to middle aged men competing for their time.

I've met many a girl that start out in the business with an age bias, only to eventually, over time, develop a self professed preference for older men. Of course, as a middle aged male, I realize the very real possibility that they are pandering to me, a prospective pay check.

But, aside from that, and speaking strictly as an uninvolved, detached observed making observations where I am not directly involved, I have known many that started out with one kind of generally negative receptiveness toward older males, with many ending up actually having a marked change in their willingness, and even a seemingly eager desire, to go with men that are quite a bit older, if they like them.

Frankly, I think it's most definitely the psychological difference that defines this distinction in attitudes between men and women, but none the less, girls are much more receptive to older men than I would be toward older females.

Most of the girls in the FKKs were slightly older than I am used to seeing in the clubs of Monterrey.

With respect to the comparative selection Monterrey versus Stuttgart, I would assess the quality of selection in Monterrey to be generally better than what I saw in the FKKs. Most of the girls in the FKKs in Stuttgart were probably about 3-5 years older, on average, than the girls I typically see in Monterrey. However, I spend all of three days in Stuttgart versus once a week every month for six years in Monterrey. So, my sampling is extremely skewed and biased in an of itself.

I think it also boils down to your preferences. I have a preference for Latin girls. So, it did not surprise me that I was not as seemingly attracted to the European ethnicity as I find my attraction to Latinas to be when I'm in Monterrey.

Has anyone been to Berlin? I hear there's alot of action there, street hunting and discos like "club help" in Rio?